Yes on Prop. 8 Maps!

[Valley Oak]

Here is a new website that shows you where Prop 8 donors live and who they are:
www.eightmaps.com

This way, you don't have to finance your own repression by being a client of a business that contributes money to causes that oppress you.

Edward

[Sylph]

Here we go again! Edward, how is this kind of 'outing' helping your (and my) cause? The way to address this wrong (Prop 8) is through the courts and the "court of public opinion." People are already softening their stance toward gay marriage. The eightmap is creepy.


You may not be the ones lighting the torches or sharpening the pitchforks, but there is no difference between this and stepping into a conservative southwestern town to say, "That feller down the road is gay." You know exactly what the outcome is going to be, and you are complicit.
"Intolerance should not be tolerated."
That is such a silly mantra.
Hatred, bigotry and racism is not "discourse".
No, but if you are better than to stoop to prejudice, use the power of your righteous ideas and arguments to change minds, not grind axes.
(stolen from a list of comments after the article)
https://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/01/15/eightmapscom-mashes.html (https://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/01/15/eightmapscom-mashes.html)
Mormon site using the map as evidence of ‘hatefulness of anti-8 people.’
Ammunition to use in future political fights.
https://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=40726 (https://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=40726)


"Eightmaps.commies" are so caught up in their own revenge drama that they don't understand how this technique can be used against homosexuals. It won't be long before far-right radicals draw on publicly available data to create an online map to gay-rights supporters' homes. How safe will gay folks in small towns feel if gay bashers are one click away from a map to their house?
For that matter, anyone who wants to give money to a candidate or cause will wonder if it's worth taking the risk of being eightmapped by radicals. Would you give to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, La Raza or Planned Parenthood if you thought right-wing goons would eightmap you, as these left-wing goons have eightmapped social conservatives? Could you afford to put your family at risk?
And that's the only conceivable point of Eightmaps: to intimidate ordinary people into political docility.
Eightmaps is a vicious cultural bellwether. It rips apart a common understanding that makes it possible for us to live together in a diverse democracy. Today, technology makes a great deal of personal information about each of us publicly available. We therefore depend more than ever on the restraining power of custom – such as the shared sense that people have the right to feel safe in their own home – to keep that information from misuse.
Rod Dreher: Next time, they come for you | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Opinion: Viewpoints (https://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-dreher_25edi.State.Edition1.242138d.html)

[Valley Oak]

Sylph, I don't want to give my money to someone or an entity that is going to turn around and take that same cash that I gave them and donate it to a homophobic cause such as Yes on Prop 8.

I am going to take my business elsewhere. I don't want to inadvertently finance my own repression. I have a right to know and so does everyone else.

Edward


Here we go again! Edward, how is this kind of 'outing' helping your (and my) cause? The way to address this wrong (Prop 8) is through the courts and the "court of public opinion." People are already softening their stance toward gay marriage. The eightmap is creepy.
(stolen from a list of comments after the article)
https://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/01/15/eightmapscom-mashes.html (https://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/01/15/eightmapscom-mashes.html)
Mormon site using the map as evidence of ‘hatefulness of anti-8 people.’
Ammunition to use in future political fights.
https://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=40726 (https://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=40726)
Rod Dreher: Next time, they come for you | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Opinion: Viewpoints (https://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-dreher_25edi.State.Edition1.242138d.html)

[MsTerry]

What about GW supporters, should we list their business?
What about Israel supporters, should we list their business?
How about Teachers that gave you a bad grade, should we list their names?


Sylph, I don't want to give my money to someone or an entity that is going to turn around and take that same cash that I gave them and donate it to a homophobic cause such as Yes on Prop 8.

I am going to take my business elsewhere. I don't want to inadvertently finance my own repression. I have a right to know and so does everyone else.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

If someone supports Israel for the right reasons then I'll donate money myself.

I understand what you are trying to say but your example is too hypothetical. There is NO proposition in California to decide whether or not people are going to donate money to GW. People donate money to the candidate of their choice. Prop 8 is quite a different animal altogether even though you honestly think it isn't.

Teachers giving you a bad grade is absurd but it is not absurd at all in the spirit of what you are trying to say, which I understand. But that is not what is going on here, my friend. And the reasons are manifold (not just one).

More important than all of this is the fact that public access to information of donors is the law. The religious right, which brought a lawsuit before the courts precisely on this very subject, just lost the case earlier this week. The judge decided that it is still necessary to have public access to information about donors.

The judge sided with me, not with you and Sylph.

Edward


What about GW supporters, should we list their business?
What about Israel supporters, should we list their business?
How about Teachers that gave you a bad grade, should we list their names?

[MsTerry]

The judge sided with the transparency of funds being given to political campaigns, not with your motive to blacklist people with a different opinion.


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The judge sided with me, not with you and Sylph.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

I have no special powers. You reproach me as if I had the power of a judge. I have no more abilities than you do. I am simply expressing an opinion that you very strongly disagree with.

Yes, the judge did make his decision on transparency and that is the most important reason. I have not blacklisted anyone. I cannot do that.

Edward


The judge sided with the transparency of funds being given to political campaigns, not with your motive to blacklist people with a different opinion.

[MsTerry]

I have not blacklisted anyone. I cannot do that.

Edward
What do you think this means


This way, you don't have to finance your own repression by being a client of a business that contributes money to causes that oppress you.
Edward
your 'this way", refers to

Here is a new website that shows you where Prop 8 donors live and who they are:

[Sylph]

Since Watergate, (about 1974) campaign contributions have been public record and that is a good thing and I have to support the recent court decision. Obviously, this was long before the internet, where we can get the names with a couple of clicks.
Now, technology has linked the names with their home/business addresses. Some angry person could do some vandalism against their neighbor as a result. I hope it won't happen, but the activists now have 'the map', and we all know there are extremists and crazies out in the cyber-world capable of violence.
From the articles I read, on Mormon and Catholic websites, I suspect contributors will now use their church as a proxy to donate to controversial measures. People will now think twice about donating to anything remotely controversial!

[MsTerry]

People will now think twice about donating to anything remotely controversial!

I think that is the reason why people have published this 'map'.
It is a way of scaring people in to submission, and take out the opposition,it has been done before in the US.