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d-cat
01-13-2009, 08:10 AM
Zionist does not mean Jew!
I would encourage people to speak out and explain the difference
before we see this going on here:
Synagogues attacked across France
Middle East Online (https://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=29729)
Jews and Zionists are not the same; they may overlap but they are not interchangeable terms. I believe the Jewish people should not feel they have to defend the murderous Zionists anymore than Americans should feel that we have to defend the murderous neocons within our government. People don't want war; bad governments do, and they will often go to great lengths to fool the people to go along. (research Operation Northwoods)
JEWS AGAINST ZIONISM
The History of Zionism (https://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/history.cfm)
The Long—and Largely Untold—History Of Jewish Opposition to Zionism
The Long—and Largely Untold—History Of Jewish Opposition to Zionism (https://www.wrmea.com/archives/December_2008/0812054.html)
The hijacking of the Jewish faith
Press TV - The hijacking of the Jewish faith (https://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81700§ionid=3510304)
NAZI SUPPORT OF ZIONISM
Nazi Support of Zionism (https://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm)
Zeno Swijtink
01-13-2009, 10:19 PM
Zionist does not mean Jew!
I would encourage people to speak out and explain the difference.
d-cat,
I may be naive here, but would you not agree that a practicing Jew is a closet Zionist?
At the conclusion of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder the words "Next Year in Jerusalem" are recited.
Given the political reality and injustices committed since 1948 keeping that part of the service intact does that not erase the difference between a practitioner of the Yom Kippur service and a Zionist, which I define as someone who advances and protects the existence of a Jewish nation, a nation of people joined by that unique mix of tribal and religious ancestry?
d-cat
01-14-2009, 01:44 PM
d-cat,
I may be naive here, but would you not agree that a practicing Jew is a closet Zionist?
well, there's always this to consider...
Rabbis against Zionist Israel
YouTube - Rabbi Feldman: Zionism is "Illegitimate Political Movement" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRX_OFOV08)
YouTube - Rabbi Against Israel (Zionism) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE)
and stuff like this...
Jewish dissenters speak out over Gaza
TheStar.com | Opinion | Jewish dissenters speak out over Gaza (https://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/568482)
Israeli Condemns Slaughter Of Gaza Civilians
Disaster in Gaza - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews (https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3652275%2C00.html)
Leading British Jews call on Israel to halt 'horror' of Gaza
Leading British Jews call on Israel to halt 'horror' of Gaza | World news | The Observer (https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/11/gaza-israel-letter-british-jews)
Not in my name
In the midst of the carnage in Gaza, it defies belief that my synagogue has asked me to march in solid support of Israel
Brian Klug: In the midst of the carnage in Gaza, it defies belief that my synagogue is asking me to march in support of Israel | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk (https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israe-palestine-gaza)
How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe
Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state's legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions
Avi Shlaim: How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe | World news | The Guardian (https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine)
Jewish Women Occupy Israeli Consulate in Toronto
YayaCanada - Blog2: Jewish Women Occupy Israeli Consulate in Toronto (https://yayacanada.blogspot.com/2009/01/jewish-women-occupy-israeli-consulate.html)
Australian Jews protest against Israel's action
Australian Jews protest against Israel's action - World - smh.com.au (https://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003936981.html)
babaruss
01-14-2009, 10:16 PM
Thank you....information from sites like this help me to see a side of Jews worldwide who are concerned enough about how Palestinians are being treated that they protest.
My ability to sift through world events sometimes leaves me with such a limited perspective.
Couple this with reading about seemingly never ending brutal assaults on innocent people by Israel... and I tend to (as Jeff recently reminded me) lose balance.
Russ
well, there's always this to consider...
Rabbis against Zionist Israel
YouTube - Rabbi Feldman: Zionism is "Illegitimate Political Movement" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRX_OFOV08)
YouTube - Rabbi Against Israel (Zionism) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE)
and stuff like this...
Jewish dissenters speak out over Gaza
TheStar.com | Opinion | Jewish dissenters speak out over Gaza (https://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/568482)
Israeli Condemns Slaughter Of Gaza Civilians
Disaster in Gaza - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews (https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3652275%2C00.html)
Leading British Jews call on Israel to halt 'horror' of Gaza
Leading British Jews call on Israel to halt 'horror' of Gaza | World news | The Observer (https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/11/gaza-israel-letter-british-jews)
Not in my name
In the midst of the carnage in Gaza, it defies belief that my synagogue has asked me to march in solid support of Israel
Brian Klug: In the midst of the carnage in Gaza, it defies belief that my synagogue is asking me to march in support of Israel | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk (https://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israe-palestine-gaza)
How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe
Oxford professor of international relations Avi Shlaim served in the Israeli army and has never questioned the state's legitimacy. But its merciless assault on Gaza has led him to devastating conclusions
Avi Shlaim: How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe | World news | The Guardian (https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine)
Jewish Women Occupy Israeli Consulate in Toronto
YayaCanada - Blog2: Jewish Women Occupy Israeli Consulate in Toronto (https://yayacanada.blogspot.com/2009/01/jewish-women-occupy-israeli-consulate.html)
Australian Jews protest against Israel's action
Australian Jews protest against Israel's action - World - smh.com.au (https://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/01/05/1231003936981.html)
d-cat
01-15-2009, 07:26 AM
Thank you....information from sites like this help me to see a side of Jews worldwide who are concerned enough about how Palestinians are being treated that they protest.
My ability to sift through world events sometimes leaves me with such a limited perspective.
Couple this with reading about seemingly never ending brutal assaults on innocent people by Israel... and I tend to (as Jeff recently reminded me) lose balance.
Russ
I can understand that babaruss. It was a difficult week for me seeing so many pictures of little dead babies and bloodied children dying in their mothers' arms. The photos posted here on Wacco were the "mild" ones...
MsTerry
01-15-2009, 09:24 PM
israelinsider: diplomacy: Key Sharon advisor: "disengagement" aims to stop Palestinian state (https://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/4222.htm)
this is an interesting one
Thank you....information from sites like this help me to see a side of Jews worldwide who are concerned enough about how Palestinians are being treated that they protest.
My ability to sift through world events sometimes leaves me with such a limited perspective.
Couple this with reading about seemingly never ending brutal assaults on innocent people by Israel... and I tend to (as Jeff recently reminded me) lose balance.
Russ
babaruss
01-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Thank you Ms Terry,
I'd like to say I'm shocked, but it has been blatantly obvious all along that Israel had no intention of ever allowing Palestine to become a state, let alone getting rid of settlers and returning land to rightful owners.
I'll be watching now to see how this revelation plays out in the political arena both in here and in Israel.
Russ
israelinsider: diplomacy: Key Sharon advisor: "disengagement" aims to stop Palestinian state (https://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/4222.htm)
this is an interesting one
d-cat
01-17-2009, 06:15 AM
UK Jewish Member of Parliament speaks Out (video)
YouTube - UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8)
nice speech...
d-cat
01-20-2009, 12:00 AM
it has been blatantly obvious all along that Israel had no intention of ever allowing Palestine to become a state
It appears that Israel doesn't believe that Palestine has "a right to exist"...