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Zeno Swijtink
12-03-2008, 09:39 PM
Best Female Figure Not an Hourglass (https://www.livescience.com/health/081203-hourglass-figure.html)
LiveScience

An imperfect body might be just what the doctor ordered for women and key to their economic success, an anthropologist now says.

While pop culture seems to worship the hourglass figure for females, with a tiny waist, big boobs and curvy hips à la Marilyn Monroe, this may not be optimal, says Elizabeth Cashdan of the University of Utah.

That's because the hormones that make women physically stronger, more competitive and better able to deal with stress also tend to redistribute fat from the hips to the waist.

So in societies and situations where women are under pressure to procure resources and otherwise bring home the bacon, they may be less likely to have the classic hourglass figure, Cashdan hypothesizes in the December issue of the journal Current Anthropology.

Curve crazy

Until now, scientists (and apparently Western society) thought a curvy figure trumped other body shapes. The idea was based on results from medical studies that suggested a curvy waist-to-hip ratio of 0.7 or lower (meaning the waist is significantly narrower than the hips) is associated with higher fertility and lower rates of chronic disease.

In addition, past research has revealed that men prefer a ratio of 0.7 or lower when looking for a mate. The preference makes perfect sense, according to evolutionary psychologists, because the low ratio is a reliable signal of a healthy, fertile woman. Along those lines, Playboy centerfolds tend to have a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.68, Cashdan found.

However, women around the world tend to have larger waist-to-hip ratios (more cylindrical than hourglass-shaped) than is considered optimal by these medical and social standards.

Specifically, Cashdan compiled data from 33 non-Western populations and four European populations, finding the average waist-to-hip ratio for women was above 0.8. So if 0.7 is the magic number both in terms of health and male mate choice, Cashdan wondered why most women exhibit a significantly higher ratio.

That's where the hormones come in.

A little testosterone

Androgens, a class of hormones that includes testosterone, increase waist-to-hip ratios in women by increasing visceral fat, which is carried around the waist. But on the upside, increased androgen levels are also associated with increased strength, stamina and competitiveness. Cortisol, a hormone that helps the body deal with stressful situations, also increases fat carried around the waist.

Hormone levels linked with a high waist-to-hip ratio could lead to such health benefits, which would be particularly useful during times of stress, Cashdan said. These benefits could outweigh those attained from having the tiny waist, hourglass figure, she said.

Perhaps the differences between predominant body shapes in some societies have to do with sexual equality, Cashdan said.

In Japan, Greece and Portugal, where women tend to be less economically independent, men place a higher value on a mate's thin waist than men in Britain or Denmark, where there tends to be more sexual equality, Cashdan said. And in some non-Western societies where food is scarce and women bear the responsibility for finding it, men actually prefer larger waist-to-hip ratios.

"Waist-to-hip ratio may indeed be a useful signal to men, then, but whether men prefer a [waist-to-hip ratio] associated with lower or higher androgen/estrogen ratios (or value them equally) should depend on the degree to which they want their mates to be strong, tough, economically successful and politically competitive," Cashdan writes.

She added, "And from a woman's perspective, men's preferences are not the only thing that matters."

Braggi
12-03-2008, 10:00 PM
... While pop culture seems to worship the hourglass figure for females, with a tiny waist, big boobs and curvy hips à la Marilyn Monroe, this may not be optimal, says Elizabeth Cashdan of the University of Utah. ...

I guess this author never met Norma Jean (who had medium size breasts and a waist that was far from tiny).

Both men and women see the curve from hips to waist as the most attractive part of female anatomy as studies have verified. But there is a lot more to beauty than a single feature.

-Jeff

Tinque
12-04-2008, 01:53 AM
[quote=Braggi;76415]I guess this author never met Norma Jean (who had medium size breasts and a waist that was far from tiny).

I have always been curvy and not until recently do I actually enjoy and acknowledge all those curves. I , as a teen and in my twentys, was always lacking self esteem and overly critisizing my body due to "so called" interpretations of what was beautiful. Well I have learned alot .. I have found many of my male friends love heavier woman. I have found that if you become one with YOURSELF and not trying to be one of somebodies expectations you will actually find love and peace with your self ! I know that myself personally feel very yucky and very discumbobulated , around my period. Now then again there are times when I feel like the most beautiful or sexiest or just plain O.K. with my self.. Everyone is different ( so far) thank you.. We all need to appreciate each other for what we are as individuals and not be so critical of ourselves or others ! I know I spelt that word wrong and I will look it up ! I am just very tired and I am going to go crawl into my bed NOW !

metimeesthetics
12-04-2008, 08:52 PM
better able to deal with stress also tend to redistribute fat from the hips to the waist.


Finally!! An explanation for my ever-thickening waistline that makes sense :wink:

patzy
12-04-2008, 09:15 PM
I was ready to 'piffle' the article but the last quote saved it..sort of

And from a woman's perspective, men's preferences are not the only thing that matters."

Women have to get past the 'pleasing' the men mentality. They need us far more than we them. If we stop bending to the media (and who runs that by far?? males) idealized women and teach men that the gals in the magazines they seem to be unable to live without aren't "real" life would be a tad easier for both genders.
Westernized society has such a warped view on so many things these days..

Braggi
12-04-2008, 10:04 PM
... And from a woman's perspective, men's preferences are not the only thing that matters."

Women have to get past the 'pleasing' the men mentality. ... If we stop bending to the media (and who runs that by far?? males) idealized women and teach men that the gals in the magazines they seem to be unable to live without aren't "real" life would be a tad easier for both genders. ...

There are now only a few "men's" magazines left (aside from porn which is another topic). Most of the really artificial looking women (and men for that matter) appear on the pages of "women's" magazines. For my buck the women in men's mags look a lot more realistic even if they are all airbrushed and chosen for specific proportions.

If you look at who the editors of those magazines are I think you'll find a lot of women's names.

I agree with you that a lot of reality could be injected into the whole media industry as far as how people look and the world would be a better place, but it's not entirely a men's issue.

-Jeff

patzy
12-05-2008, 12:22 AM
True. It is a issue for both genders, but women are the one's that suffer.

MsTerry
12-05-2008, 09:57 AM
Patzy it is time that we as women start to own our behavior.
Women are more critical of themselves than men are, and that has nothing to do with the media.
The Media only follows trends.
Anyone remembers Twiggy?
Nobody wants to look like that anymore, models nowadays are fuller and rounder, Look at Jennifer Lopez, those are some nice curves.
Women are their own worst enemies, very competitive and critical of one another.
Read this if you think I'm off and then tell me how we can change this behavior.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3064811/Women-find-working-for-female-bosses-more-stressful.html


I was ready to 'piffle' the article but the last quote saved it..sort of

And from a woman's perspective, men's preferences are not the only thing that matters."

Women have to get past the 'pleasing' the men mentality. They need us far more than we them. If we stop bending to the media (and who runs that by far?? males) idealized women and teach men that the gals in the magazines they seem to be unable to live without aren't "real" life would be a tad easier for both genders.
Westernized society has such a warped view on so many things these days..

Mead Rose
12-05-2008, 07:43 PM
Although I agree with the getting beyond the need to please men part, I disagree with the "They need us far more than we need them" thing.

Ever wonder where the all the good men went? They either:

1. got snapped up
2. went solitary

Going solitary is something that guys have no problem with, but women seem to have some sort of dread about, particularly if it turns into an extended situation.



I was ready to 'piffle' the article but the last quote saved it..sort of

And from a woman's perspective, men's preferences are not the only thing that matters."

Women have to get past the 'pleasing' the men mentality. They need us far more than we them. If we stop bending to the media (and who runs that by far?? males) idealized women and teach men that the gals in the magazines they seem to be unable to live without aren't "real" life would be a tad easier for both genders.
Westernized society has such a warped view on so many things these days..