I've stumbled onto something on the web while trying to earn a supplemental income online at night. It's just too good to pass up, so I thought I would share it with you all. Here is the letter I recently wrote to my friends and family members.
Greetings Friends
I’ll admit it, I’m a bit of a dreamer. But when I see cash continually being deposited into my bank account, I cannot deny that I’m onto something. I have been researching internet businesses opportunities for a couple of years now and have finally found a system that is proven to pay…get this…. 144% return on investment in under 20 days. Don’t believe me? Prove me wrong and I’ll pay the winner cash out of my own pocket.
Check it out. Start small. I began with $24 and after I saw that the company was paying my checking account 144% return on investment (That’s 44% profit!!) steadily every 20 days, I decided to reinvested $1400. I’ve taken leaps of research and faith in the past, but let me tell you, I am so glad I chose to participate with this opportunity. In a few months time I have quadrupled my original investment and am now being paid a passive residual income of $2640 in Profit every 20 days. I’ve recouped my original ‘investment,’ kept $6000 in the system and am now earning just under $4000 every month.
Uh… do I even need to sell this in any way? Would you be o.k. with an extra $4000 every month? If you have received this email, you must be a friend, or friend of a friend, so I’m happy to help walk you through this process if you are interested. Give me a call or email me and I’ll take you through the process of how to start small or go large. Either way, it’s the same, consistent, amazing, 144%ROI (Return on Investment), 44% profit every 20 days.
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212
Sign-up and check it out. If you’re a disbeliever, sign-up for free and prove me wrong. Remember, start small, read the forums, do some research on the above link and contact me if you have any questions.
I wish you all well. Give me a call or write if you have signed up for free and have any questions about anything before you proceed. I know this is a new industry and I’m happy to lend my limited, albeit proved experience.
Sincerely,
Brant Hindman [email protected]
How to make $4000 per month or 144% return on investment in 20 days. (https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212)
redheifer
01-20-2006, 10:19 PM
It's bad enough we get these spam chump pitches in our email; worse by far that we get them here at WACCO.
If you could get 144% return on an investment, all of Wall Street would be at the door.
Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
Don't be one.
omosha
01-20-2006, 11:55 PM
I totally understand your skepticism and apologize for sending "yet another chump pitch." This is not that. I am happy to provide a copy of my bank statement and walk you through my history step by step. In addition, I encourage you to do your own research before you outright denounce it.
Do you live is Sebastopol? I'll meet you personally and answer any questions you have and you can verify my bank statements yourself.
Heck, I'll even give you $12 to try it for yourself and in 20 days when you automatically receive 144% or $17.28, you can meet me at coffee catz and thank me. Seriously, take me up on this and put it to the test.
Anyway, I wish you well. Drop me a line if you have any questions or are interested in checking it out for yourself. It is free.
Be well,
Brant [email protected]
How to make $4000 per month or 144% return on investment in 20 days. (https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212)
It's bad enough we get these spam chump pitches in our email; worse by far that we get them here at WACCO.
If you could get 144% return on an investment, all of Wall Street would be at the door.
Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
Don't be one.
redheifer
01-21-2006, 06:26 PM
I totally understand your skepticism and apologize for sending "yet another chump pitch." This is not that. I am happy to provide a copy of my bank statement and walk you through my history step by step. In addition, I encourage you to do your own research before you outright denounce it.
Do you live is Sebastopol? I'll meet you personally and answer any questions you have and you can verify my bank statements yourself.
Heck, I'll even give you $12 to try it for yourself and in 20 days when you automatically receive 144% or $17.28, you can meet me at coffee catz and thank me. Seriously, take me up on this and put it to the test.
Anyway, I wish you well. Drop me a line if you have any questions or are interested in checking it out for yourself. It is free.
Be well,
Brant [email protected]
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212
How come you're so interested in my welfare? I mean, what's in it for you?
Anyway, I don't go to Coffee Catz. I'm too poor.
omosha
01-21-2006, 08:30 PM
How come you're so interested in my welfare? I mean, what's in it for you?
Anyway, I don't go to Coffee Catz. I'm too poor. :D:
I'm not overly interested in your welfare, although I do wish you well. It is just how I like to move through the world. That is the main reason I'm sharing this opportunity. I'm already making a good amount of money through this and believe me, every little bit helps. I'm just scrapping together to make ends meet myself. Since this was the case, I thought I might share my success and methods with the community if anyone else was interested in making a couple extra thousand dollars a month.
Check my posts, I have a post graduate degee job making $7/hr while earning my hours towards licensure. In my part-time I have been running a interior/exterior painting company for the past 12 years. I was able to scrape together $1400 a couple months ago and put it on the line with a carefully researched business opportunity. Time and time again, it paid out. You know the rest, I don't need to convince anyone. Check it out for yourself, afterall it is free.
Cheers, Red.
Be well, -Brant
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212
omosha
01-22-2006, 06:14 PM
:D:
I'm not overly interested in your welfare, although I do wish you well. It is just how I like to move through the world. That is the main reason I'm sharing this opportunity. I'm already making a good amount of money through this and believe me, every little bit helps. I'm just scrapping together to make ends meet myself. Since this was the case, I thought I might share my success and methods with the community if anyone else was interested in making a couple extra thousand dollars a month.
Check my posts, I have a post graduate degee job making $7/hr while earning my hours towards licensure. In my part-time I have been running a interior/exterior painting company for the past 12 years. I was able to scrape together $1400 a couple months ago and put it on the line with a carefully researched business opportunity. Time and time again, it paid out. You know the rest, I don't need to convince anyone. Check it out for yourself, afterall it is free.
Cheers, Red.
Be well, -Brant
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212
What do you all think? :idea: There appear to be a number of people viewing this post. Did you check out the web link and the opportunity? Any questions?
Any thoughts? Cheers. -Brant
Show me the money! (https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212)
Goddess of Feminine Freedom
01-23-2006, 07:46 AM
Dear Brant,
Thank you for the beautiful energy with which you both presented this opportunity and also responded to the not so lovely energy that came back at you. Just from an energetic point of view, I could feel the generosity and integrity of your offer and the negativity and anger in the response. Thought I would just be one to say "good on you". Christina
I totally understand your skepticism and apologize for sending "yet another chump pitch." This is not that. I am happy to provide a copy of my bank statement and walk you through my history step by step. In addition, I encourage you to do your own research before you outright denounce it.
Do you live is Sebastopol? I'll meet you personally and answer any questions you have and you can verify my bank statements yourself.
Heck, I'll even give you $12 to try it for yourself and in 20 days when you automatically receive 144% or $17.28, you can meet me at coffee catz and thank me. Seriously, take me up on this and put it to the test.
Anyway, I wish you well. Drop me a line if you have any questions or are interested in checking it out for yourself. It is free.
Be well,
Brant [email protected]
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212
redheifer
01-23-2006, 08:45 AM
Dear Brant,
Thank you for the beautiful energy with which you both presented this opportunity and also responded to the not so lovely energy that came back at you. Just from an energetic point of view, I could feel the generosity and integrity of your offer and the negativity and anger in the response. Thought I would just be one to say "good on you". Christina
This has the appearance of a classic Ponzi (pyramid) scheme where the first guys in the game get paid from the money invested by the next guy to get in and so on until the whole thing collapses and suddenly disappears, along with the originators and the capital. The first few investors make out, the rest get stung. Maybe Brent genuinely believes it is honest and legal. Ponzi schemes are neither; they are illegal worldwide. If you have any doubts, Google up 12dailypro (the site Brent is advocating). Along with the dissenters, like me, you'll find a few staunch supporters, like Brent. They are undoubtedly the guys who got in early and are still getting paid. You can also find some others whose timing was not so fortunate. And if you read the site carefully you'll quickly uncover how the pyramid works.
Even easier, just use your common sense. If you could get 144% return on an investment, would any of us be working? Would Wall Street even have a reason to continue it's doubtful existence? Confidence schemes continue to exist only through our own gullibility and greed.
Karen
01-23-2006, 11:22 AM
This is from the other WACCOBB regarding the " Earn $4000 a month or 144% ROI in 20 days" post.
Hello Waccoites;
just a quick note to remind you of our posting guidelines limiting
postings to events, announcements, sales, and wants of local (Sonoma
County) nature. Please do not post non-local business advertisement or
personal discussions here.
The posting that startled some questions and discussions was removed,
since it was neither of local ownership nor verifiably creditable. While
good intentions to share prosperity might be the reason for advertising
this servive, I also noted that the link had a "referrer number"
attached to it, suggesting that the poster will gain from your signing
up to this scheme, which is quite typical for a pyramid scheme. Please
refrain from posting such posts at wacco-bb.
Let's keep it simple - let's keep it local.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
This has the appearance of a classic Ponzi (pyramid) scheme where the first guys in the game get paid from the money invested by the next guy to get in and so on until the whole thing collapses and suddenly disappears, along with the originators and the capital. The first few investors make out, the rest get stung. Maybe Brent genuinely believes it is honest and legal. Ponzi schemes are neither; they are illegal worldwide. If you have any doubts, Google up 12dailypro (the site Brent is advocating). Along with the dissenters, like me, you'll find a few staunch supporters, like Brent. They are undoubtedly the guys who got in early and are still getting paid. You can also find some others whose timing was not so fortunate. And if you read the site carefully you'll quickly uncover how the pyramid works.
Even easier, just use your common sense. If you could get 144% return on an investment, would any of us be working? Would Wall Street even have a reason to continue it's doubtful existence? Confidence schemes continue to exist only through our own gullibility and greed.
omosha
01-24-2006, 11:52 AM
Hi everyone,
This will be my last response regarding this link, unless anyone has any specific questions or researched criticism.
I really have posted this opportunity from an authentic place of wanting to share a cool opportunity that I have found and not one of trying to steal, convince, conjole or scam you from any of your money. If that were the case, I would have been sharing this opportunity the moment I first found out about it, instead of investigating it with my own money and proving that I have been paid consistently over three months 10+ times. I am a person of high integrity and would not say, offer, or do anything that I could not follow through with.
I understand the skepticism, I've had it myself when I first started doing research and invested my first $24. I have consistently heard it from my friends and family; and all I can do it patiently sit with them through their anxiety as I sat through mine. This is a new and developing industry. Much the same way, television commercials were somewhat of a risky and esoteric marketing venture when the industry moved from radio product placement to buying a 30 sec time-slot on a new invention and industry that hadn't even been built. We all thought internet portals were a joke in the late 80's. "There is no money in giving away free services on the internet."
Yahoo! and Google are now laughing their way to the bank, becoming two of the largest brand recoginized comanies in the industry.
I believe it was Hegel who said, and forgive me for totally botching the exact words, "At first new ideas are vehemently rejected as preposterous and insane. Then they are vehemently challenged and scrutinized for any flaw in structure or logic. Finally they are accepted as basic truths and vehemently defended as if one's sense of reality were based upon it." I can hardly put quotes around it, because I know those were not the exact words, only what I remember the meaning to be.
I would love to address the responses I have received, both publically and privately, point by point, so that I am clear and can leave this in full disclosure and integrity.
1- I am a participant since early Oct. 05.
2- This is my story and not a script of fiction to lure you into giving your money away to anyone.
3- I have been paid over 10 times and was waiting to share it until I felt it was solid.
3.1- I have no idea what redheifer was referring to in regards to his research that people have not been paid from 12dailypro. Quite to the contrary, I cannot find anyone who has not been paid and their customer support is truly outstanding. They keep you updated daily on the site as to what is happening with the comany, arrangements with payment processors (like paypal), if servers have crashed and how long it will take them to reboot. They are very thorough with communication and feedback given the fact that they are growing at an astounding rate and building a new internet industry and marketplace. Remember the 90's internet boom? There were some real companies in there that had a vision and some that were a joke. You do the research and let me know what you think about 12dailypro. Don't trust redheifer. Don't trust me. You do your own research and then speak up. I'm interested.
4- My intentions for sharing this opportunity are genuine. This is not a scam, although there are risks.
5- There is a reference number attached to the link I have provided.
https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212 I have made no trickery around that, nor tried to hide the true url in my posts.
6- The company does pay a 12% commission. Which in and of itself could be a potential income for someone. Most people just post the webpage in other paid-to-surf programs and build referal commissions.
7- However I have not made any money through referral commission. As previously stated, I wanted to check it out on my own before saying anything. The $4000/mo that I spoke of does not include any commission payments. If you don't want me to receive a referral for showing you this, edit the url I have given you to disclude my referrence number and give the money directly to the company. I really don't care. $4000/mo is plenty of money for me. I honestly share this because I'm excited and its working. I make no claims to be able to read the future. In this or any other venture. When you invest in a stock, you don't know if that company will go bankrupt and you lose your money, or if it will split and you double your investment. That really is the only risk I see with this company, bankrupcy. If they grow too fast, as with any company, they could get ahead of themself. However, they have set a standard in the development of this industry and are even organizing the first annual GPT (get-paid-to) conference this Feb. with various companies accross the industry. I think they have found an economic balance and are going to be a bluechip of this industry.
8- I'm spreading the word because I think there is something of value here. Albeit in its infant stage, I believe this is a viable industry and does serve a vital purpose in the paradigm shift from material products to an information maketplace.
9- I'll enclose at the bottom the research I have found on the owner of the company. The LLC they formed. Where they are located, the parent company and the tax ID number for people to do their own research.
As far as this not being a local posting. Whatever happened to think globally, act locally. I'm a local and I'm happy to offer this as a service or I'll even teach you how to do it for yourself. There are soooo many things we can do locally with a little extra money. Serioiusly.
I promised the yahoo group waccobb that I would not post anything more about this and I'm willing to do the same here. If the community does not want me to mention another thing about this or not post another message in the future about this opportunity, I'm happy to comply.
I think I've said everything I need to say to be clear. Thanks for listening/reading. I wish you all well. Do your research if you want to be involved. If this causes stress in your life, it is not worth it, no matter the financial gains. :rofl:
ps my name is Brant, not Brent. There is a Brent in the information below and I didn't want you to be confused. Also, I highlighted the third party independent research on this not being a Ponzi scheme for Red's review.
Here is the research I mentioned:
https://everydaybusinessonline.com/verify.htm
{From Barry: I removed the research as it was quite lengthy. I'm sure Brant would be happy to send it to you if you requested it. I think this thread has been a bit of an education for all concerned, including myself! }
omosha
01-28-2006, 12:22 AM
Hi Everyone,
Thank you all for the numerous replies. Due to the overwhelming number of responses and inquiries, I have decided to open a seperate Yahoo Wacco group entitled WestCoast-OnlineMoney (https://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestCoast-OnlineMoney/), in order to not take any more focus from our local community board here at waccobb.net.
This new group will be an online community for Bay area residents who are making money online in their spare time and want to support each other in our collective ventures. Let's pool our research together and avoid the pitfalls of navigating this new industry.
This group is for people who are physically located in the Bay Area and who are wanting to talk to local people before they participate in virtual business opportunities. All forms of constructive discussion and research are entirely welcomed and encouraged.
As many have mentioned, there are many scams out there. Let's help each other personally avoid the pitfalls and collectively maximize our individual profits. Come join us... WestCoast-OnlineMoney (https://groups.yahoo.com/group/WestCoast-OnlineMoney/)
As always, many blessings.
Be well,
-Brant
Karen
01-28-2006, 02:42 PM
So, is this a pyramid scheme or not? :confused:
To Christina and Brant,
Wonderful reading on Brant. Thank you Christina. I had the pleasure of getting to know Brant while in the graduate program for counseling at SSU. He is most assuredly a man of high personal intergrity, very bright and would only suggest something to the community that he truely thought would be beneficial for everyone. Blessings, Susan Amanda
omosha
01-28-2006, 05:00 PM
So, is this a pyramid scheme or not? :confused:
From my experience it is not a pyramid scheme, but a newly emerging industry (paid-to-surf) that services multiple internet niches. I have enclosed the research I mentioned earlier for everyone's review. In addition, I have done more extensive research on Charis Johnson, the Admin of 12dp, and tracked the previous companies she has founded and been a part of if anyone is interested.
Here is the research on the comany that from my understanding is not a pyramid scheme, but a legitimate business and emerging industry.
Be well, -Brant.
In the future, all research will also be posted and discussed at Wacco-OnlineMoney (https://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wacco-OnlineMoney/members)
A brief report was prepared at the future4me.com forum about 12DP by the Online Investor's Cooperative (OIC). This report summarizes a substantial body of research, concluding that 12DP is a legitimate program. With permission from Andrewunknown of the OIC, I am including the text of that report here: To view the verification post: https://future4me.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=159
Dear OIC Members,
It is with great pleasure that we introduce the first OIC-verified program: 12DailyPro.
Most everyone is familiar with the details of the 12DailyPro Program, so I will not repeat them here. Here are some fast facts about the program:
Name: 12DailyPro
Parent Company: LifeClicks, LLC
Admin Name: Charis Johnson
Physical Location: On File (verified)
Program Inception: May 13, 2005
Program membership (10/27/05): approx. 85,000 members
Program growth rate (10/27/05): 1.17%, or approx. 1000 members per day.
Certifications: NetIBA (verified)
Anti-DDOS Protection: Prolexic Clean Pipe (verified)
Payment Processors: E-gold, Stormpay
Due Diligence:
Level 1 DD (preliminary evaluation; electronic): completed
Level 2 DD (financial and identity): completion pending
Description of Verification
Over several months of semi-regular correspondence by e-mail and then e-mail and phone, have conducted program DD discussion with principal program Admin, Charis Johnson. In addition to the DD noted and documentation collected elsewhere on this site, a substantial body of information that is not publicly viewable has been compiled during research of 12DailyPro. Here are some of the more significant pieces of information:
1) LifeClicks, LLC (parent company) independently verified as legitimate LLC in the state of North Carolina. [see DD thread for images/visit: https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=7820076# ]
Kevin Wessell: Organizer
Brent Hubbard: Registered Agent
For comprehensive information North Carolina Limited Liability Corporations, especially regarding corporate legal accountability and payment of taxes: please refer to Ch. 57C of NC's General Statutes: https://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/Statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0057C
Look here under "Guidelines to Incorporating" for general info. on LLCs: https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/Corporations/#
Physical office location of Lifeclicks, LLC? Yes - verified
Office phone numbers (landline) for Lifeclicks, LLC? Yes - verifed
Number of employees of LifeClicks: 5 full-time (not including consultants) etc.
2) Identity of Admin/Principals of program:
Admin: name verified (legal surname is different - that of spouse)
Spouse/Co-Admin: full name, occupation/workplace: verified
E-mail exchange with Admin and Co-Admin: yes
Telephone meeting with Admin and Co-Admin: yes
Personal Residence of Admin: verified
Personal phone number of Admin (landline): verified
Background/Professional references for Admin: partially completed - in process etc.
3) Some comments on their financials
Means of income/revenue?
LifeClicks has several means of income: incoming funds from new and returns members is but one (as stated in their terms). Several other highly significant means of income exist, including, but not limited to investments. No forex trading is performed. LifeClicks in general, and 12DP in particular, is not a ponzi. Further details cannot be disclosed, by request of Admin.
Is the program sustainable without new memberships?
Yes, the program is structured such that the present rate of return can be maintained without new memberships. Though obvious, it is worth mentioning here that a program cannot exist without an existing membership. The present number of members is far above the minimum necessary for program survival.
Does LifeClicks pay taxes?
Yes, LifeClicks, LLC must pay taxes, and yes this involves the manager/members of LifeClicks, including Charis Johnson. Refer to the North Carolina General Statutes (NCGS) Ch.57C for details.
4) The Future of 12DailyPro?
12Daily Pro will be maintained by LifeClicks on an ongoing basis. The program itself is NOT the primary revenue generator for LifeClicks, though through the programs reputation and notoriety, Lifeclicks has prospered. LifeClicks has very exciting and ambitious plans for the rest of 2005, and 2006 (and beyond), in which 12DailyPro figures highly.
This is a brief synopsis of the information gathered and DD conducted on 12DailyPro.
Andrew, OIC/SYF Administration
Further research on 12DP and its parent company LifeClicks is compiled at the future4me.com, for those interested in reviewing it.
redheifer
01-28-2006, 08:31 PM
Karen,
Call it what you will. But ask what is a company that shows no income from goods or services sold and which apparently pays its investors out of capital (i.e. the fees of new members) There are dozens, maybe hundreds of these "autosurf" outfits on line which promise rich rewards for "surfing the net five minutes a day." Many more have already folded and stolen away in the night. 12dailypro has held on longer than many and some people are making money---for now. The money they are making is eventually the loss of others, I've seen remarks in autosurf chatrooms like: "Hey, I know it's a scam, but I'm making out!" Indeed there is even a "scam" list among the players which lists sites that have stopped paying, while the others remain "honest"----for a while, as long as they pay the hustlers.
Whatever happened to working for a living? Or are we all caught in the Enron mentality?
Maybe this thread should be renamed "Prove Barnum Right!"
Dawn_Pillsbury
01-29-2006, 11:58 AM
Alas, many folks cannot learn from the <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=autosurf+scam&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N">experiences</a> of others and must needs get screwed themselves before learning that you can't get something for nothing. I hope this particular lesson is only as hard as it needs to be for the folks involved.
omosha
01-29-2006, 08:14 PM
Karen,
Call it what you will. But ask what is a company that shows no income from goods or services sold and which apparently pays its investors out of capital (i.e. the fees of new members) There are dozens, maybe hundreds of these "autosurf" outfits on line which promise rich rewards for "surfing the net five minutes a day." Many more have already folded and stolen away in the night. 12dailypro has held on longer than many and some people are making money---for now. The money they are making is eventually the loss of others, I've seen remarks in autosurf chatrooms like: "Hey, I know it's a scam, but I'm making out!" Indeed there is even a "scam" list among the players which lists sites that have stopped paying, while the others remain "honest"----for a while, as long as they pay the hustlers.
Whatever happened to working for a living? Or are we all caught in the Enron mentality?
Maybe this thread should be renamed "Prove Barnum Right!"
Wow. What a stinger. I will say that you have done some research, though. There are a number of autosurf programs in the industry that are fighting for position in the marketplace and some are going belly up. I have lost money in this industry last year with another company that did go bankrupt. Anyone ever lose any money in the stock market or is that always a sure thing?
You will have to do your own on this company. I have provided many research links and am very interested in any legitimate research on 12dailypro and its financial future. I consider this an investment and am doing as much research as I can find about the admin, the parent comany, the owner of the parent company...etc. I am not an expert, I only have my experience. I have posted disclaimers elsewhere.
You know, Red, I don't quite see the industry like you do, but if I did, I know why I would have my eyes wide open. They do bring in outside capital, and so does their parent company. They do not depend solely on membership fees to fund payments. Did you read the research? Have you signed up for any autosurf sites and imagined what this type of industry could produce? After that, consider where 12DailyPro (https://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=44212) is positioned in the industry... and I personally see a good investment. No, this is not a sure thing, but from the research I have done, it is a sound investment for the return on investment; and, I do believe that they are providing a necessary service in the new 'information industry'.
I still wish you well, Red. I understand your skepticism.Cheers, -B
redheifer
01-29-2006, 09:57 PM
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
omosha
01-30-2006, 12:23 AM
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
Neither actually. Proof for me is already in my bank account from being paid regularly. :rofl:
And ps, I do have a day job. This is just supplemental income that allows me to do what I want in life, rather then what I have to do for money.
redheifer
01-30-2006, 04:28 PM
OK, this is absolutlely my last posting to this thread. You are convinced you are right; I am equally convinced you are wrong. Those who follow your lead will have to figure it out for themselves. May you all, in the end, find wisdom and compassion, even if it be painful.
Red Heifer
Karen
01-30-2006, 08:14 PM
P.T. Barnum was right, Karen, there is a sucker born ever minute. There's also plenty of good information about this scam in my e-mail box every morning as I'm sure there is in everyone else's as well. For those who are unwilling to learn from the advice and mistakes of others, the best way for them to learn is from their own mistakes.
It doesn't really take much incite to realize that an outfit that provides neither goods nor services has only one source of income - the willingness of others to invest on an empty promise. That's what a pyramid scheme does. At some point, people wise up or the thing implodes and most lose all their money. The scheme only works as long as increasing numbers of people are willing to send in their money, but by definition, because it is a pyramid, the vast majority lose everything in the end. You can make this reply public if you want.
Pete
OK, this is absolutlely my last posting to this thread. You are convinced you are right; I am equally convinced you are wrong. Those who follow your lead will have to figure it out for themselves. May you all, in the end, find wisdom and compassion, even if it be painful.
Red Heifer
omosha
01-30-2006, 08:46 PM
P.T. Barnum was right, Karen, there is a sucker born ever minute. There's also plenty of good information about this scam in my e-mail box every morning as I'm sure there is in everyone else's as well. For those who are unwilling to learn from the advice and mistakes of others, the best way for them to learn is from their own mistakes.
It doesn't really take much incite to realize that an outfit that provides neither goods nor services has only one source of income - the willingness of others to invest on an empty promise. That's what a pyramid scheme does. At some point, people wise up or the thing implodes and most lose all their money. The scheme only works as long as increasing numbers of people are willing to send in their money, but by definition, because it is a pyramid, the vast majority lose everything in the end. You can make this reply public if you want.
Pete
Honestly now. Have you ever received anything from 12dailypro in your email box other than from this post? And if not, then aren't you just inciting people's anxiety with your own fear.
As I have posted, please do not Slander something or make false comments about something that you do not have research. If you want to post about scams and pyramids, please start your own post or provide research of your claims, that is all I ask. I will provide eveidence of the only claim I have intended to make, the fact that I have been paid, as soon as my next check arrives.
That said, at this point, I would not recommend anyone to 12dailypro. This discussion and others have led me to some careful considerations and I'm wanting to contact the 'authorities' myself about the legality of the auto-surf industry before I recommend it any further.
Either way, I'll keep you posted. Thanks everyone for your conversation, voice and research. Cheers, -B
Dixon
07-21-2006, 02:36 AM
It's been about 6 months since we had some controversy over this Internet investment thing that Omosha (Brant) was extolling. Some thought it was a pyramid scheme. Omosha, who sounded sincere, said he would look into it more and let us know what he found out, but that's the last we heard on it. I have 2 questions for Omosha:
If you did look into it more, what did you discover?
Are you still getting the same return on your investment?
Thanks;
Dixon
David
09-27-2006, 03:53 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosurf
Autosurf is a ponzi.
tomcat
09-29-2006, 06:54 AM
Yes indeed!
it's understandable that we never heard from Omosha (Brant) again.
Tom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosurf
Autosurf is a ponzi.
omosha
09-29-2006, 11:22 AM
Yes indeed!
it's understandable that we never heard from Omosha (Brant) again.
Tom
Hello Wacco,
I have contacted a number of people since my last public post, however, I have not posted anything publically on this post hoping the interest and controversy would eventually go away. It hasn't. :anon:
To be clear, I have not recommended anyone to this website or business for a long time and just wish this thread would eventually dissapear. I made a mistake in recommending anyone to 12daily and I fully admit it. I meant no ill will or intention. I had good intention of sharing something I found that I thought was making me money at a rate of 144% ROI. Unfortunately, the bubble burst, sophisticated ponzi, before I withdrew my investment. I know how many people signed up for the service and how much money was invested. Very few people with a very limited amount of money, around $20.
I lost a good amount of real money and a good amount of imaginary money. About $1000 real and $7000 imaginary.
I say all this to be fully disclosed so that this matter can be eventually closed.
There is no more need to argue that I made a mistake and am wrong in this particular situation. I surrender, tip my king and fall upon my blade.
I would like to put this topic to rest, unless anyone else has anything to process in regards to this topic. I wish you all well and hope you will let this fallible and honest human being back into your warm graces.
Thank you all for the conversation, arguement, support and connection.
Be well all. -Brant
Barry
09-29-2006, 12:26 PM
I made a mistake in recommending anyone to 12daily and I fully admit it.
{Snip}
I would like to put this topic to rest, unless anyone else has anything to process in regards to this topic. I wish you all well and hope you will let this fallible and honest human being back into your warm graces. Well done, Brant! :welcome: Back! Thanks for checking in and letting us know how it turned out! I'm sorry that that you became yet another proof of Barnum's wise observeration. We tried to help!
I think you have effectively put this topic to rest. I am sure future various versions of ponzi schemes will appear on these pages and this thread will be an excellent reality check for people who are seduced down this rabbit hole.
Barry
redheifer
09-29-2006, 12:36 PM
Well done, Brand! Welcome Back! Thanks for checking in and letting us know how it turned out! I'm sorry that that you became yet another proof of Barnum's wise observeration.
I think you have effectively put this topic to rest. I am sure future various versions of ponzi schemes will appear on these pages and this thread will be an excellent reality check for people who are seduced down this rabbit hole.
Barry
As one of the more vocal opponents of this scheme when Brandt first proposed it, I fully suppport Barry's statement above. Bad enough to get burned for money, but to make a public apology takes dignity and humility.
Thanks, Brandt.
tomcat
09-29-2006, 06:55 PM
Sorry Brant, I didn't mean to sound like I was rubbing it in. I was intending to mean that you must have figured out it was a bad deal since you weren't pushing it anymore. Sorry for your lose. We all make mistakes. Live and learn.
Tom
Spirit Splasher
10-06-2006, 05:35 PM
Well,
Let me just say that it is this thread that convinced me I need to join! I've experienced all sorts of emotions from the different postings and energies of such. I am soooo happy to experience the energy of Brant... and I thank you for sharing it with the world!
It is a wonderful person who can choose to share something with others (whom they may not know) because they feel it is genuine and beneficial to all, and it takes a HUGE soul to share something they've found to be incorrect after they've sung the praises of such!
It is difficult sometimes for some people to listen to others praise a notion they, themselves, feel (or have experienced) to be false. Just as it is difficult for a parent who may have experimented with drugs not to tell their children to abstain. Sometimes, we need to remind ourselves that others are here to live their journey the way THEY need to (mistakes and all).
Thank you all for such an exchange! And, thank you so much, Brant, for your kind words and energy in face of what some might say was a bombardment of parental-like caring.
:yinyang: