Proposition 8 - Eliminates Same Sex Marriage

[Barry]

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Proposition 8 - Eliminates Same Sex Marriage


I plan on voting No (just in case Mykil will accept my offer :wink:).

Comments?

[Sylph]

I already voted No.
This is a civil rights issue. Gay marriage doesn't affect my marriage.
We all have gay people in our lives. God made them that way, in my opinion...and they deserve the same legal rights to marriage and all it entails. It's only fair.
Civil unions are nice, but not equal to 'marriage'.
After some soul searching, my Episcopalian mother voted "no", too. You gotta love the Episcopalians!

[Alysson Wonderland]

Prop 8 was put on the ballot to get out the Republican vote for this presidential election. It's scare-tactics, pure and simple.
Marriage is in reality an economic construct, designed to establish a routine for the passing on of wealth upon death. To call it anything else is fantasy.
No on 8!!

[Braggi]

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I plan on voting No (just in case Mykil will accept my offer :wink:).

Comments?



You can do better than Mykil.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Surely, you must be speaking from personal experience?

You can do better than Mykil.

-Jeff

[Franklin Johnson]

Simply stated:
Proposition 8 is unabashed discrimination, intolerance, and bigotry. Nothing more. It has to be squashed here and now. I have already voted against Prop. 8.

Franklin






I plan on voting No (just in case Mykil will accept my offer :wink:).

Comments?

[Ratfink]

Prop 8 was put on the ballot to get out the Republican vote for this presidential election. It's scare-tactics, pure and simple.
Marriage is in reality an economic construct, designed to establish a routine for the passing on of wealth upon death. To call it anything else is fantasy.
No on 8!!

Don't blame Republicans, the black vote is want defeated 8. They voted in record numbers and also supported their religious views. Obama is on record saying marriage is between a man and a woman. The Christian right stayed home because many didn't care for McCain. More people voted in 2004 than on Nov. 5 2008. More black Democrats came out to elect Obama but on the down side also voted yes on 8.

[silverae]

No thing can eliminate the spiritual marriage and love between two people.
Discrimination is on its way out!! The lower consciousness will not prevail for much longer... A reminder that the passing of 8 is only Temporary*

May the hearts and minds of all come to Love...

long live the Love*

[Braggi]

Don't blame Republicans, the black vote is want defeated 8. They voted in record numbers and also supported their religious views. Obama is on record saying marriage is between a man and a woman. The Christian right stayed home because many didn't care for McCain. More people voted in 2004 than on Nov. 5 2008. More black Democrats came out to elect Obama but on the down side also voted yes on 8.

Boy, are you wrong in just about every sentence here.

It was Latino voters that elected Obama and voted yes on 8. The Christian Reich was out in force. Nobody stayed home. Not sure which election you watched. Record turnout in all areas.

The "black vote" (if there is such a thing) voted the way "they" usually do: Democrat. Haven't heard numbers on how they voted on prop. 8, but it is the overwhelmingly Catholic Latino vote that switched from their typically Republican stance and elected Obama. Without them we'd have President elect McCain. The vast majority of Latino voters in California voted yes on 8.

Besides removing 501-C3 status from the Catholic Bishops and perhaps the Catholic Church in general, I'm not sure what to do about it except to wait for the much more tolerant younger generation to achieve majority.

Show them love. Share the love.

-Jeff

[Zeno Swijtink]

Boy, are you wrong in just about every sentence here.

It was Latino voters that elected Obama and voted yes on 8. The Christian Reich was out in force. Nobody stayed home. Not sure which election you watched. Record turnout in all areas.

The "black vote" (if there is such a thing) voted the way "they" usually do: Democrat. Haven't heard numbers on how they voted on prop. 8, but it is the overwhelmingly Catholic Latino vote that switched from their typically Republican stance and elected Obama. Without them we'd have President elect McCain. The vast majority of Latino voters in California voted yes on 8.

Besides removing 501-C3 status from the Catholic Bishops and perhaps the Catholic Church in general, I'm not sure what to do about it except to wait for the much more tolerant younger generation to achieve majority.

Show them love. Share the love.

-Jeff

Apparently, 70% of African-American voters supported 8. But then also "Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8."

https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html

[Braggi]

Apparently, 70% of African-American voters supported 8. But then also "Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8." ...

Now, how about some real numbers? Percentages are misleading unless you are comparing apples and apples.

African Americans make up 6% of California’s population.
Latinos make up 32% of California's population.

53 percent of Hispanics voted yes I was surprised to find (that the number was so low).

The black voters who voted yes make up about 4.2% of the population.

The Hispanic voters who voted yes make up about 17% of the population.

I rest my case.

-Jeff

[Zeno Swijtink]

Now, how about some real numbers? Percentages are misleading unless you are comparing apples and apples.

African Americans make up 6% of California’s population.
Latinos make up 32% of California's population.

53 percent of Hispanics voted yes I was surprised to find (that the number was so low).

The black voters who voted yes make up about 4.2% of the population.

The Hispanic voters who voted yes make up about 17% of the population.

I rest my case.

-Jeff

To exblame the passing of 8 on any particular group is very unamerican, independent of the numbers. It are individuals who vote. They may be pink or colored, married, single or cohabiting, or what have you.

For every individual one can probably find a group that s/he falls under that makes him/her look as someone to boycott or to patronize.

[Braggi]

To exblame the passing of 8 on any particular group is very unamerican, independent of the numbers. It are individuals who vote. They may be pink or colored, married, single or cohabiting, or what have you. ...

Zeno! Whoa there! I'm not "blaming" anyone. My point was not to blame. OTOH, if you're planning on winning in this arena, you need to know where to place your assets.

There are any number of ethnic and racial minorities that voted largely in favor of 8, but I wouldn't spend a lot of money trying to reach them and teach them if the idea was to pass a more favorable proposition because each of them on their own make up a pretty small percentage of the electorate.

The Latino vote in California is huge and growing. Politicians ignore them at their peril. I have no problem with that. This isn't about blame, it's about clout.

-Jeff