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Zeno Swijtink
08-15-2008, 05:18 AM
Redefining Abortion (https://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5935532.html)
Houston Chronicle

The Bush administration has consistently opposed providing funding for international birth control programs, but until now has not tried to limit the use of contraceptives inside the United States.

That could change in the president's final months in office. Health and Human Services officials are considering a draft regulation that would classify most birth control pills, the Plan B emergency contraceptive and intrauterine devices as forms of abortion because they prevent the development of fertilized eggs into fetuses.

The rule, which does not require congressional approval, would allow health care workers who object to abortion on moral or religious grounds to refuse to counsel women on their birth control options or supply contraceptives. It would forbid more than half a million health agencies nationwide that receive federal funds from requiring employees to provide such services. Pharmacists could use the rule as a justification for refusing to fill birth control prescriptions, and insurance companies could cite it as a basis for declining to cover the costs.

An existing regulation allows health care providers with objections to abortion to abstain from providing it to patients. By extending the definition of abortion to cover contraceptives, federal officials are attempting to create by administrative fiat what would fail by a wide margin in Congress.

In fact, the draft rule could void laws in 27 states that require insurance companies to provide birth control coverage for women requesting it. The rule also could counter laws in 14 states requiring that rape victims receive counseling and access to emergency, day-after contraceptives. It would also require federal agencies and states to provide funds for sham family planning clinics that provide women only abstinence counseling.

The enactment of such rules would have an immediate impact in Southeast Texas, where state health officials estimate more than half a million women are in need of affordable family planning services. Rochelle Tafolla, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Houston and Southeast Texas Inc., warns that enactment of the regulation would endanger women's health.

According to Tafolla, "In a time when more and more families are uninsured and feeling the financial strain of a bad economy, it's pretty incredible that the Bush administration is actually trying to put up roadblocks for women trying to access basic health care." Planned Parenthood strongly opposes the proposed rule "and will be fighting to preserve women's access to health care information."

Planned Parenthood is not alone in its opposition. The American Medical Association, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and a bipartisan group of 112 members of Congress have weighed in against the draft regulation.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has signed a letter of protest written by a group of U.S. senators. (Republican candidate John McCain has not taken a position.)

Health and Human Services officials issued a statement claiming the regulation would not alter existing rules and is simply designed to protect health care workers from discrimination based on their views of certain medical procedures. That ignores the fact that defining some forms of contraception as abortion is a radical departure from the status quo.

As with a spate of administrative regulations undermining environmental enforcement that the administration has pushed as its time in office grows short, this one is a payoff to social conservatives who oppose abortion and contraception. Since polls show that an overwhelming percentage of the American people support birth control, such backdoor tactics are the only way such restrictions could be considered, let alone enacted.

Justifying these draft rules as an anti-discrimination measure would be laughable, if it weren't so undemocratic and dangerous to American women. If HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt is irresponsible enough to approve the regulation, Congress and the next president should make sure it is short-lived.

Moon
08-17-2008, 11:14 AM
I think we need public debate on when human life begins,
to establish a rational idea of the point at which terminating
a pregnancy becomes impermissible.


Redefining Abortion (https://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5935532.html)
Houston Chronicle
The Bush administration has consistently opposed providing funding for international birth control programs, but until now has not tried to limit the use of contraceptives inside the United States.
That could change in the president's final months in office. Health and Human Services officials are considering a draft regulation that would classify most birth control pills, the Plan B emergency contraceptive and intrauterine devices as forms of abortion because they prevent the development of fertilized eggs into fetuses.
The rule, which does not require congressional approval, would allow health care workers who object to abortion on moral or religious grounds to refuse to counsel women on their birth control options or supply contraceptives. It would forbid more than half a million health agencies nationwide that receive federal funds from requiring employees to provide such services. Pharmacists could use the rule as a justification for refusing to fill birth control prescriptions, and insurance companies could cite it as a basis for declining to cover the costs.
An existing regulation allows health care providers with objections to abortion to abstain from providing it to patients. By extending the definition of abortion to cover contraceptives, federal officials are attempting to create by administrative fiat what would fail by a wide margin in Congress.
In fact, the draft rule could void laws in 27 states that require insurance companies to provide birth control coverage for women requesting it. The rule also could counter laws in 14 states requiring that rape victims receive counseling and access to emergency, day-after contraceptives. It would also require federal agencies and states to provide funds for sham family planning clinics that provide women only abstinence counseling.
The enactment of such rules would have an immediate impact in Southeast Texas, where state health officials estimate more than half a million women are in need of affordable family planning services. Rochelle Tafolla, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Houston and Southeast Texas Inc., warns that enactment of the regulation would endanger women's health.
According to Tafolla, "In a time when more and more families are uninsured and feeling the financial strain of a bad economy, it's pretty incredible that the Bush administration is actually trying to put up roadblocks for women trying to access basic health care." Planned Parenthood strongly opposes the proposed rule "and will be fighting to preserve women's access to health care information."
Planned Parenthood is not alone in its opposition. The American Medical Association, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and a bipartisan group of 112 members of Congress have weighed in against the draft regulation.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has signed a letter of protest written by a group of U.S. senators. (Republican candidate John McCain has not taken a position.)
Health and Human Services officials issued a statement claiming the regulation would not alter existing rules and is simply designed to protect health care workers from discrimination based on their views of certain medical procedures. That ignores the fact that defining some forms of contraception as abortion is a radical departure from the status quo.
As with a spate of administrative regulations undermining environmental enforcement that the administration has pushed as its time in office grows short, this one is a payoff to social conservatives who oppose abortion and contraception. Since polls show that an overwhelming percentage of the American people support birth control, such backdoor tactics are the only way such restrictions could be considered, let alone enacted.
Justifying these draft rules as an anti-discrimination measure would be laughable, if it weren't so undemocratic and dangerous to American women. If HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt is irresponsible enough to approve the regulation, Congress and the next president should make sure it is short-lived.

Braggi
08-17-2008, 11:51 AM
I think we need public debate on when human life begins, to establish a rational idea of the point at which terminating
a pregnancy becomes impermissible.


That sounds like a losing proposition to me. First, this debate isn't rational and won't become so. Not in our lifetimes.

What if it's determined that any egg or sperm is "human life" and it becomes illegal to "spill" either? It could get really crazy.

I think the time is coming for a federally administered health system in this country. Let's just make good and sure access to abortion for any pregnant person is part of it.

-Jeff

"Mad" Miles
08-17-2008, 12:07 PM
"Moon wrote: I think we need public debate on when human life begins"

That debate was held, rational or otherwise, in the Supreme Court in the late sixties and early seventies. It's conclusion was something called Roe v. Wade. You really want to reopen that can of worms?

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

Braggi
08-17-2008, 12:07 PM
... Let's just make good and sure access to abortion for any pregnant person is part of it. ...

Here's an interesting article I just read because I wanted to learn more about this chemical. Note the connection to the abortion debate:

https://members.tripod.com/Prof_Anil_Aggrawal/poiso024.html

-Jeff

Lenny
08-17-2008, 02:00 PM
I think we need public debate on when human life begins, to establish a rational idea of the point at which terminating
a pregnancy becomes impermissible.

Did you get a chance to hear what Obama said last night at Saddleback Church? To fast, but interesting, aside from his dodge about that question being "above my paygrade" to answer! The rest of his stuff about this made a lot of sense!

Lenny
08-17-2008, 02:05 PM
That sounds like a losing proposition to me. First, this debate isn't rational and won't become so. Not in our lifetimes.
What if it's determined that any egg or sperm is "human life" and it becomes illegal to "spill" either? It could get really crazy.
I think the time is coming for a federally administered health system in this country. Let's just make good and sure access to abortion for any pregnant person is part of it. -Jeff

If this debate were rational and one takes the "moment of conception" position then you are right since all rationality is lost at the thought of a holocaust of 40 million! I couldn't agree with you more.
I don't believe that a sperm is alive, and for sure, not like a baby! I know it's way cool to think of a wiggly guy not being alive but none has ruled it so, at least around here and/or for a couple thousand years. At least not that I'm aware of.
And I am pretty sure the current medical situation allows for "any person" to get an abortion.

Zeno Swijtink
08-19-2008, 11:09 AM
I think we need public debate on when human life begins, to establish a rational idea of the point at which terminating a pregnancy becomes impermissible.


I don't think the question when human life begins is a "biological/scientific" question since it depends on a criterion for personhood that is value-laden, or, religiously in the Christian sense, on the concept of soul. Whether there is a soul I don't think can be answered by science, although in the 19th c. scientists tried to determine that by weighing a dying body to see whether, at the moment of death, the body would loose some weight because of the soul leaving the body. Since then even the idea of an exact "moment of death" has been questioned.

Even sperm and egg are "alive" in the sense that they are bodies of cells that are cohesive and respond to their environment and their inner state in a law-like, natural way that can be understood from the point of biochemistry. But that does not make them proto-persons or show that they have proto-souls.

Scientific information can be important however for the public debate I think since it shows the consequences of certain moral or legal points of view.

For instance, many fertilized eggs do not embed themselves in the uterus after fertilization but are expelled. Even after successful embedding itself in the lining of the uterus a fertilized egg or zygote may be aborted spontaneously. I have seen numbers as high as 30% of all pregnancies.

If we decide that life starts at the moment of fertilization all these cases become cases of moral, religious and legal concern.

What happens to all the souls lost who did not make it to even the beginning of a recognizable body? How does the concept of original sin apply to them? Since they had no chance to develop a personality how would we recognize them if we made it to heaven?

Do these "persons" have a right to be protected and should we develop medical procedures to try "save" these persons or souls?

Who should be paying for this research?

The problem becomes even more complicated because of the fact that according to medical science many of these fertilized eggs are not viable and have severe genetic or developmental problems. So there is a evolutionary reason for these spontaneous miscarriages or failed embedding in the uterine lining.

I am attaching a philosophical paper that tries to combine scientific and philosophical analysis to answer the question when human life begins. I have not completely digested this paper but I know one of the authors and think it is a serious contribution to this discussion.

Apart from that, even if we decided or discovered when human life begins, that in itself does not make it impermissible to end that life.

Other, competing, considerations need to be considered. The life of the mother is one issue, but there are other ones, possibly even social issues that refer to the community as a whole, such as the carrying capacity of our natural environment.