Some info regarding the Russian situation

[d-cat]

Some info regarding the Russian situation.

For the past year, I have been reading reports of the US sending arms and advisers to countries surrounding Russia. Putin repeatedly stated that if this continues, Russia will retaliate. Here are a few of those reports:


Russian president issues warning over U.S. missile defense ahead of G-8
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19013495/

Putin issues nuclear threat to Ukraine over plan to host US shield
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/13/russia.putin

Czech missile shield: Russia to 'retaliate' over US plan, President Dmitry Medvedev says
https://tinyurl.com/5ndzed

Putin raises spectre of nuclear war in Europe
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1878730.ece


The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government, with a US educated president (who holds press conferences in his own country in English), an Israeli military commander and an Israeli foreign minister.

Some of the dead in the 8-8-8 attacks on civilians included black soldiers, and also black uniformed soldiers with US insignia (Blackwater?).

In Zbigniew Brzezinski's book (Obama's handler) The Grand Chessboard, the war plan includes "brushfires" around the Russian border.

In addition to invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan (with war ships now heading to Iran), I believe that the US and Israel have launched a surprise attack on Russia using Georgia.

If you have read or are familiar with PNAC's (Project For A New American Century) Rebuilding America's Defenses, a report written up in the late 90s by key members of the current US administration (prior to G.W. Bush even winning an election), you will know that it is WWIII that they are after. The report started circulating after 911 due to the fact that the report states that "a new Pearl Harbor" will be needed to set the process in motion (a part which was deleted on Wikipedia the last time I checked!). The actual PNAC website was online until just a couple months ago, but has now been taken down, but many screenshots and copies are available online.

For those of you who are not bothered by the US's efforts to take over the world, you should know that this is not being done for the benefit of US citizens or for democracy. Their ultimate goal is to destroy the US and bring in a fascist world government which they refer to as The New World Order.

Bush Sr. on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Clinton on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

Gary Hart on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

Kissinger on New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia-president-saakashvili-calls-for-new-order.html

[d-cat]

Update (a must see):

https://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=94

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[Braggi]

...
BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU ...

d-cat, we share some of the same concerns, but regardless of the Star Wars music and the comments of the news babe, Obama didn't say anything menacing. Please. You'll have to do better than this. He didn't mention New World Order. That is Bush's baby, 'member?

-Jeff

[d-cat]

d-cat, we share some of the same concerns, but regardless of the Star Wars music and the comments of the news babe, Obama didn't say anything menacing. Please. You'll have to do better than this. He didn't mention New World Order. That is Bush's baby, 'member?

-Jeff

If you look into the subject, you will see that the NWO precedes Bush and is being orchestrated from higher up on the power ladder. Good luck.

[PeriodThree]

I must strongly take issue with basically every element in your world view. Sorry.

Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.

I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war, but by every standard of International law the 'Coalition' occupation of Iraq, shady is it is, has infinitely more legitimacy than the Russian attack on Georgia.

There is a good guy here, Georgia, and a bad, totally fucked and evil side: Russia. Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.


Some info regarding the Russian situation.

For the past year, I have been reading reports of the US sending arms and advisers to countries surrounding Russia. Putin repeatedly stated that if this continues, Russia will retaliate. Here are a few of those reports:


Russian president issues warning over U.S. missile defense ahead of G-8
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19013495/

Putin issues nuclear threat to Ukraine over plan to host US shield
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/13/russia.putin

Czech missile shield: Russia to 'retaliate' over US plan, President Dmitry Medvedev says
https://tinyurl.com/5ndzed

Putin raises spectre of nuclear war in Europe
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1878730.ece


The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government, with a US educated president (who holds press conferences in his own country in English), an Israeli military commander and an Israeli foreign minister.

Some of the dead in the 8-8-8 attacks on civilians included black soldiers, and also black uniformed soldiers with US insignia (Blackwater?).

In Zbigniew Brzezinski's book (Obama's handler) The Grand Chessboard, the war plan includes "brushfires" around the Russian border.

In addition to invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan (with war ships now heading to Iran), I believe that the US and Israel have launched a surprise attack on Russia using Georgia.

If you have read or are familiar with PNAC's (Project For A New American Century) Rebuilding America's Defenses, a report written up in the late 90s by key members of the current US administration (prior to G.W. Bush even winning an election), you will know that it is WWIII that they are after. The report started circulating after 911 due to the fact that the report states that "a new Pearl Harbor" will be needed to set the process in motion (a part which was deleted on Wikipedia the last time I checked!). The actual PNAC website was online until just a couple months ago, but has now been taken down, but many screenshots and copies are available online.

For those of you who are not bothered by the US's efforts to take over the world, you should know that this is not being done for the benefit of US citizens or for democracy. Their ultimate goal is to destroy the US and bring in a fascist world government which they refer to as The New World Order.

Bush Sr. on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Clinton on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

Gary Hart on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

Kissinger on New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia-president-saakashvili-calls-for-new-order.html

[Lenny]

Update (a must see):
https://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=94
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Now you have confused me!
The 12 year old and her aunt blame the President of Georgia and thank the Russians for coming into Georgia!
Obviously George Washington was right: let them boil in their own stew and keep US out of it!

[Lenny]

I must strongly take issue with basically every element in your world view. Sorry.
Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.
I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war, but by every standard of International law the 'Coalition' occupation of Iraq, shady is it is, has infinitely more legitimacy than the Russian attack on Georgia.
There is a good guy here, Georgia, and a bad, totally fucked and evil side: Russia. Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.

PT, I think d-cat is trying to enter into realpolitik and not sit back theorizing which is what we do here mostly.
The first four sites he gives all are from "reputable" mainstream media, what most rely upon for some sort of "truth and facts". I mean MSNBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, Time all have Putin saying he will point missiles at Europe. You could castigate BushCo for underestimating Russia since one of the article quotes US claiming that Putin is using "rhetorical bellicose" several months ago. It is obvious they were being liberal in their estimation, eh? I can only look at what is presented and Putin is more than capable of doing what he says. Next is Poland? Ukraine? or simply what will stop their national interests, which is what ever Putin says it is, be it oil, gas or European/ US nuclear shield. Won't be the first or second time those Europeans kill each other in that area. They seem to do it with glee and regularly!

[PeriodThree]

Lenny,

I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."

dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.

I disagree with him.

Rich




PT, I think d-cat is trying to enter into realpolitik and not sit back theorizing which is what we do here mostly.
The first four sites he gives all are from "reputable" mainstream media, what most rely upon for some sort of "truth and facts". I mean MSNBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, Time all have Putin saying he will point missiles at Europe. You could castigate BushCo for underestimating Russia since one of the article quotes US claiming that Putin is using "rhetorical bellicose" several months ago. It is obvious they were being liberal in their estimation, eh? I can only look at what is presented and Putin is more than capable of doing what he says. Next is Poland? Ukraine? or simply what will stop their national interests, which is what ever Putin says it is, be it oil, gas or European/ US nuclear shield. Won't be the first or second time those Europeans kill each other in that area. They seem to do it with glee and regularly!

[Lenny]

Lenny,
I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."
dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.
I disagree with him.
Rich

Cool. Around here I thought everyone thought that US is behind ALL the evil in the world! At least that is what SO many posts point to: that or GBushCo.
And as for the Russians, Z posted a Gorbachov piece explaining their side of the war. And I just heard Condi is going there to tell their president to cut some slack for that rebellious region and leave it to the Russians...so, will see.
As for the Jews/Israel....as I understand it, that song is often pounded out in Russia for everything that goes wrong everywhere, all the time. Seems to have been a long sung favorite European thing they sing.

[d-cat]

dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia



no I'm not - I'm looking at the situation.




with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."



I don't see how saying "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government" means I am in favor of Russia and against Georgia.




dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,'



not my label




and he believes that the US is behind that evil.



elements within the govt are part of it, but it's global. Research The Bilderberg Group.

[d-cat]

Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.

I was already being scoffed as fringe (as if that's bad) with this thread from awhile back. Turned out the fringe was right though.

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25476

I guess your message then puts you with the masses. I don't need their approval to form my opinions.

[d-cat]

https://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/russia_dees.jpg

[Braggi]

If you look into the subject, you will see that the NWO precedes Bush and is being orchestrated from higher up on the power ladder. Good luck.

I'm about 3/4 finished reading The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-Reich-Societies-Threaten/dp/0061245585/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218847801&sr=8-1

I've followed all this since 1980 when I joined Your Heritage Protection Association and became a tax protester and all that good stuff.

Obama seems the candidate the least steeped in all this crap since that time. I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!

That said, I do wish Obama had the balls to dump the "old guard" military creeps. I suppose that would put him in the grave alongside JFK, but None Dare Call it Conspiracy, right? :wink:

-Jeff

[d-cat]

I'm about 3/4 finished reading The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-Reich-Societies-Threaten/dp/0061245585/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218847801&sr=8-1

I've followed all this since 1980 when I joined Your Heritage Protection Association and became a tax protester and all that good stuff.

Obama seems the candidate the least steeped in all this crap since that time. I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!

That said, I do wish Obama had the balls to dump the "old guard" military creeps. I suppose that would put him in the grave alongside JFK, but None Dare Call it Conspiracy, right? :wink:

-Jeff


Wow. If that book doesn't cover him, look into Prescott Bush (dubya's grandaddy). Search the name together with the word 'nazi' for a few surprises :thumbsup:

[d-cat]

Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.

Many here are focused on the excuse given for the attack.

If the US/Israel backed Georgia had indeed attacked Russia as I believe, then they might use local hotspots for their "brushfires" and have their media focus on that, keeping the public clueless.

The cold war was over and the region had been relative stable. Then recently the US starts putting missiles in Russia's bordering countries. This leaves Russia vulnerable to a nuclear attack without the ability to respond. As you can see from the articles, Russia didn't like that and gave warnings. Why would the US do this? I believe it's because they wish to attack Russia and start WWIII. Why do I believe this? Because I am aware of PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses document.



I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war...


Did you know they can actually put you away in prison for saying that now? Look into the (Democratically sponsored) Homegrown Terrorism Bill. Or search "arrested + anti-war" then add t-shirt or sign or whatever.

Want to know a really scary one? NSPD-51.

[Lenny]

Many here are focused on the excuse given for the attack.
If the US/Israel backed Georgia had indeed attacked Russia as I believe, then they might use local hotspots for their "brushfires" and have their media focus on that, keeping the public clueless.
The cold war was over and the region had been relative stable. Then recently the US starts putting missiles in Russia's bordering countries. This leaves Russia vulnerable to a nuclear attack without the ability to respond. As you can see from the articles, Russia didn't like that and gave warnings. Why would the US do this? I believe it's because they wish to attack Russia and start WWIII. Why do I believe this? Because I am aware of PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses document.
Did you know they can actually put you away in prison for saying that now? Look into the (Democratically sponsored) Homegrown Terrorism Bill. Or search "arrested + anti-war" then add t-shirt or sign or whatever.Want to know a really scary one? NSPD-51.

And now that we "know" they can put me in prison for saying "Bush is a punk", what good is it? Scream, yell? Protest? Buy guns, butter? Have they put him in prison?
Spreading fear is not the way, and that is much of what this crappola does. But it does tickle the ears. This esoteric bladerdash comes down to very few things: what can one do? And if you believe in voting, find those with integrity and as much honesty as possible and support them. Now folks, such as displayed here, don't think voting matters, so next on the agenda is what...axe handles, tourches and scythes? Stupid. As that will lead to real blood, a la France, 1793, which is what some desire, then "order" will be imposed. Too many claim BushCo has, or is doing that, imposing a type of Marshall law. No, he's not, but he is setting it up for others to do so, maybe. That is why we need folks of integrity, virtue, and all that good etc stuff. I find those that claim BuschCo has done this suspect; OOH, yes, he has set up such a machine capable of denying rights but that was due to his perception of war. And I mean war in a generic term, not simply national wars in Afghanistan & Iraq. Maybe the reason he believes that is because war was declared by NGOs headed by Bin Laden & Co prior to killing 3,000 on our soil. And NO, BushCo has not actually done what these "spooky" conspiratorial buffs are pushing, a secret plan for totalitarian power over you and me. Yes, a few folks have had their liberties curtailed, and no doubt it is outside someone's perception of Constitutional law. Oh, and yes, some folks will get hurt in the fracas, mostly due to ineptness of individuals, but over all it is still reasonable.
As hitting & touching me is against the law, and I point a gun at you, can you disarm me, non-verbaly? Poor analogy, but I am scrapping the barrel bottom for understanding the stautus of US and putting it in some kind of light that is not turned on by Chicken Little.

[alanora]

Have recently learned of the illuminati........rings true to me. mindy


Lenny,

I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."

dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.

I disagree with him.

Rich

[PeriodThree]

Poor analogy, but I am scrapping the barrel bottom for understanding the stautus of US and putting it in some kind of light that is not turned on by Chicken Little.

From my perspective you've captured it well. Bush and Company have done some really bad things, but our day to day lives are still very free.

As you point out, the mechanisms for more control now exist, but democracy is nowhere near dead.

The Supreme Court has handed down a serious of major rebukes of his legal strategies, and it is possible that our checks and balances may be kicking in.

At least, my optimistic side wants to hope so!

[phooph]

Here's an opinion by Reagan's assistant treasury secretary and a former member of a military think tank. He is fairly well informed on geopolitics.

President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?
By Paul Craig Roberts
8-16-08

The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war.

Back in the Reagan years the National Endowment for Democracy was created as a cold war tool. Today the NED is a neocon-controlled agent for US world hegemony. Its main function is to pour US money and election-rigging into former constituent parts of the Soviet Union in order to ring Russia with American puppet states.

The neoconservative Bush Regime used the NED to intervene in Ukrainian and Georgian internal affairs in keeping with the neoconservative plan to establish US-friendly and Russia-hostile political regimes in these two former constituent parts of Russia and the Soviet Union.

The NED was also used to dismember the former Yugoslavia with its interventions in Slovakia, Serbia, and Montenegro.

Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, told the Washington Post in 1991 that much of what the NED does "today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."

The Bush Regime, having established a puppet, Mikhail Saakashvili, as president of Georgia, tried to bring Georgia into NATO.

For readers too young to know, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was a military alliance between the US and Western European countries to resist any Soviet move into Western Europe [and to ensure European countries lined up behind the US, and bought its weapons systems. Editors] . There has been no reason for NATO since the Soviet Union's internal political collapse almost two decades ago. The neocons turned NATO into another tool, like the NED, for US world hegemony. Subsequent US administrations violated the understandings that President Reagan had reached with Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and have incorporated former parts of the Soviet empire into NATO. The neocon goal of ringing Russia with a hostile military alliance has been proclaimed many times.

Western European members of NATO balked at the admission of Georgia, as they understood it as a provocative affront to Russia, on whom Western Europe is dependent for natural gas. Western Europeans are also disturbed at the Bush Regime's intentions to install ballistic missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic as the consequence will be Russian nuclear cruise missiles targeted on European capitals. Europeans don't see the advantage of helping the US block Russian nuclear retaliation against the US at the expense of their own existence. Ballistic missile defenses are not useful against cruise missiles.

Every country is tired of war except for the US. War, including nuclear war, is the neoconservative strategy for world hegemony.

The entire world, except for Americans, knows that the outbreak of armed conflict between Russian and Georgian forces in South Ossetia was entirely due to the US and its Georgia puppet, Saakashvili. Americans, alone in the world, are unaware that the hostilities were initiated by Saakashvili, because Bush, Cheney and the Israeli-occupied American media have again lied to them.

Everyone else in the world knows that the unstable and corrupt Saakashvili, who proclaims democracy and runs a police state, would not have taken on Russia by attacking South Ossetia unless given the go-ahead by Washington.

The purpose of the Georgian attack on the Russian population of South Ossetia is twofold:

To convince Europeans that their action in delaying Georgia's NATO membership is the cause of "the Russian aggression" and that to save Georgia from conquest Georgia must be given NATO membership.

To ethnically cleanse South Ossetia of its Russian population. Two thousand Russian civilians were targeted and killed by the US-equipped and trained Georgian Army, and tens of thousands fled into Russia. Having achieved this goal, Saakashvili and his puppet-masters in Washington quickly called for a cease fire and a halt to "the Russian invasion." The hope is that the Russian population will be afraid to return or can be prevented from returning, thus removing the secessionist threat.

No doubt the Bush Regime can con the American population, just as it did with Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Iranian nukes, and 9/11 itself, but the rest of the world is not buying it, not even America's bought-and-paid-for European allies.

Writing in the Asia Times, Ambassador M. K. Bhadrakumar, a former career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service, notes the disinformation that is being peddled by the Bush Regime and the US media and reports that "at the outbreak of violence, Russia had tried to have the United Nations Security Council issue a statement calling on Georgia and South Ossetia to immediately lay down weapons. However, Washington was disinterested."

Amb. Bhadrakumar notes that the American and Georgian resort to violence and propaganda has brought an end to the Russian government's belief that diplomacy and good will can bring about a settlement of the South Ossetia issue. If Russia wished, Russia could terminate Georgia's existence as a separate country at will, and there is nothing the US could do about it.

It is certain that the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia was a Bush Regime orchestrated event. The American media and the neocon think tanks were ready with their propaganda blitzes. Neocons had ready a Wall Street Journal editorial page article for Saakashvili that declares "the war in Georgia is a war for the West."

Faced with the collapse of his army when Russia sent in troops to protect South Ossetians from the Georgian troops, Saakashvili declared: "This is not about Georgia any more. It is about America, its values."

The neocon Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., quickly called a conference hosted by warmonger Ariel Cohen, "Urgent! Event: Russian-Georgian War: A Challenge for the U.S. and the World."

The Washington Post hosted neocon Robert Kagen's war drums, "Putin Makes His Move."

Only a fool like Kagen could think that if Putin intended to invade Georgia he would do so from Beijing, or that after sending the American-trained Georgian army in flight, he would not continue and conquer all of Georgia in order to put an end to American machinations on Russia's most sensitive border, machinations that are likely to eventually end in nuclear war.

The New York Tiimes hosted Billy Kristol's rant, "Will Russia Get Away With It?" Kristol thunders against "dictatorial and aggressive and fanatical regimes" that "seem happy to work together to weaken the influence of the United States and its democratic allies." Kristol presents a new axis of evil--Russia, China, North Korea and Iran--and warns against "delay and irresolution" that "simply invite future threats and graver dangers."

In other words, "attack Russia now."

Dick Cheney, the insane American Vice President telephoned Saakashvili to express US solidarity with Georgia in the conflict with Russia and declared: "Russian aggression must not go unanswered. Only an idiot would tell Saakashvili anything other than "to cease immediately."

What must be the effect on US Intelligence services and the US military of Cheney's propagandistic and irresponsible statement of US support for Georgia's war crimes? Does anyone really believe that the CIA or any US intelligence service told the vice president that Russia opened the conflict with an invasion? Russian troops arrived in South Ossetia after thousands of Ossetians had been killed by the Georgian attack and after tens of thousands of Ossetians had fled into Russia to escape the Georgian attack. According to news reports, Russian forces have captured Americans who were with the Georgian troops directing their attack on civilians.

The US military certainly has no resources for a war against Russia on top of lost wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a planned war with Iran.

With its Georgian venture, the Bush Regime is guilty of a new round of war crimes. What will be the consequence?

Many will reply that having got away with 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and with its preparations for attacking Iran, the Bush Regime will get away with its Georgian venture as well.

Possibly, however, this time the Bush Regime has overreached.

Certainly Russia now recognizes that the US is determined to exert hegemony over Russia and is Russia's worst enemy.

China realizes the US threat to its own energy supply and, thereby, economy.

Even America's European allies, chafing under their role of supplying troops for America's Empire, must now realize that being an American ally is dangerous and has no benefits. If Georgia becomes a NATO member and renews its attack on South Ossetia, it must drag Europe into a war with Russia, a main supplier of energy to Europe.

Moreover, if Russian troops are sent across European frontiers, there is nothing to stop them.

What does America offer Europe, aside from the millions of dollars it pays to buy off Europe's political leaders to insure that they betray their own peoples? Nothing whatsoever.

The only military threat that Europe faces comes from being dragged into America's wars for American hegemony.

The US is financially bankrupt, with budget and trade deficits that exceed the combined deficits of the rest of the world together. The dollar has wilted. The American consumer market is dying from the offshoring of American jobs and, thereby, incomes, and from the wealth effect of the real estate and derivatives collapses. The US has nothing to offer Europe. Indeed, American economic decline is killing European exports by driving up the value of the euro.

America long ago lost the moral high ground. Hypocrisy has become America's best known hallmark. Bush, the invader of Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies and deception, thunders at Russia for coming to the defense of its peacekeepers and Russian citizens in South Ossetia. Bush who ripped Kosovo out of Serbia's heart and handed it to the Muslims, has taken an adamant stand against other separatist movements, especially the South Ossetians who wish to be part of the Russian Federation.

The neoconned Bush Regime is furious that the Russian bear was not intimidated by the US supported aggression of the American puppet state, Georgia. Instead of accepting the act of American hegemony that the neocon script called for, Russia sent the Americanized Georgian army fleeing in fear.

Having failed with weapons, the Bush Regime now unleashes the rhetoric. The White House is warning Russia that failure to acquiesce to US hegemony could have a "significant, long-term impact on relations between Washington and Moscow."

Do the morons who comprise the Bush Regime really not understand that short of a surprise nuclear attack on Russia there is nothing whatsoever the US can do to Moscow?

The Bush Regime owns no Russian currency that it can dump. The Russians own US dollars.

The Bush Regime owns no Russian bonds that it can dump. The Russians own US bonds.

The US can cut Russia off from no energy supplies. Russia can cut America's European allies off from energy.

President Reagan negotiated the end of the cold war with Soviet President Gorbachev.,The neoconservatives, whom Reagan fired and drove from his administration, were furious. The neocons had hoped to win the cold war, thereby establishing American hegemony.

The Republican Establishment reestablished its hegemony under Bush 1st that it had lost to Ronald Reagan. With this feat, intelligence was driven from the Republican Party.

The neocons engineered their comeback with the First Gulf War and their propaganda, pure lies, that Iraqi troops bayoneted Kuwait babies in hospitals.

The neocons made a further comeback with President Clinton, whom they convinced to bomb Serbia in order to permit separatist movements to become independent states dependent on America.

With Bush 2nd, the neocons took over. Their agenda, American world hegemony, includes Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

So far the schemes of these ignorant and dangerous ideologues have come a cropper. Iraq, formerly in the hands of secular Sunnis who were a check on Iran, is, after the American invasion and occupation, in the hands of religious Shi'ites allied with Iran.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban are resurgent, and a large NATO/US army there is unable to control the situation.

One consequence of the neocons' Afghan war has been the loss of power of the American puppet president of Pakistan, a Muslim country armed with nuclear weapons. The puppet president now faces impeachment, and the Pakistani military has informed the Americans to stop conducting military operations in Pakistani territory.

The American puppets in Egypt and Jordan might be next to fall.

In Iraq, the Shi'ites, having completed their ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from neighborhoods, have declared a cease fire in order to contradict the US propaganda that American withdrawal would lead to a blood bath. Negotiations on withdrawal dates are now underway between the Americans and the Iraqi government, which is no longer behaving like a puppet.

Last year Hugo Chavez ridiculed Bush before the UN. Russia's Putin ridiculed Bush as Comrade Wolf.

On August 12, 2008, Pravda ridiculed Bush, "Bush: Why don't you shut up."

Americans may think they are a superpower before whose presence the world trembles. But not the Russians.

Those Americans stupid enough to think that America's "superpower" insures its citizens from danger need to read the total contempt shown for President Bush in Pravda:

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? In your statement on Monday regarding the legitimate actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia, you failed to mention the war crimes perpetrated by Georgian military forces, which American advisors support, against Russian and Ossetian civilians

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? Your faithful ally, Mikhail Saakashvili, was announcing a ceasefire deal while his troops, with your advisors, were massing on Ossetia's border, which they crossed under cover of night and destroyed Tskhinvali, targeting civilian structures just like your forces did in Iraq.

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? Your American transport aircraft gave a ride home to thousands of Georgian soldiers from Iraq directly into the combat zone.

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? How do you account for the fact that among the Georgian soldiers fleeing the fighting yesterday you could clearly hear officers using American English giving orders to "Get back inside" and how do you account for the fact that there are reports of American soldiers among the Georgian casualties?

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen?

Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives?

Do you really believe you have any right to make a statement on any point of international law after your trumped-up charges against Iraq and the subsequent criminal invasion?

"President Bush,

Why don't you shut up? Suppose Russia for instance declares that Georgia has weapons of mass destruction? And that Russia knows where these WMD are, namely in Tblisi and Poti and north, south, east and west of there? And that it must be true because there is 'magnificent foreign intelligenc' such as satellite photos of milk powder factories and baby cereals producing chemical weapons and which are currently being 'driven around the country in vehicles'? Suppose Russia declares for instance that 'Saakashvili stiffed the world' and it is 'time for regime change'?

Nice and simple, isn't it, President Bush?

"So, why don't you shut up? Oh and by the way, send some more of your military advisors to Georgia, they are doing a sterling job. And they look all funny down the night sight, all green."

The US is not a superpower. It is a bankrupt farce run by imbeciles who were installed by stolen elections arranged by Karl Rove and Diebold. It is a laughing stock, that ignorantly affronts and attempts to bully an enormous country equipped with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

[Lenny]

Have recently learned of the illuminati........rings true to me. mindy

Alanora (euphonically pleasant name)
There are a lot of those types of esoteric societies around that are pushed real hard by "certain types". As I've blathered there's nothing one may "do" after reading about all of them, from the Da Vinci Code guys (very enjoyable book, movie was the worst) to Tri Lateral Commission and others.
Someone mentioned NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY by Gary Allen, which you might find at a used book store for less than a dollar. Shouldn't pay more. I was surprised to see it mentioned here on Wacco, as that is hated by many progressive-type folks. I would strongly suggest that the last book you just read about the Illuminati be THE LAST book you read on such tripe. But if you think you must, then read this one, and let THAT be your last one on the issue. They do go on!

[d-cat]

BBC Video Proves Georgia to Blame for Hostilities
news report from 08/06/08 (written in the rest of the world as 06/08/08 - day/month/year), two days before Russian "attack"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1f0_hGSUwk


Russia seizes US arms cache in Georgia
https://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=66770&sectionid=351020602


former German Chancellor Schroeder blames ‘gambler’ Saakashvili for conflict
https://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29100


Israel Mercenary Says*Georgian Attack Was Suicide
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3583278%2C00.html


Fox News cuts American child for thanking Russian troops
Russia Today report (Russia's CNN)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptVAbw5oos


Bush Meets with Saakashvili in March 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK10WKJKP1A


Do You Believe This Man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eOy2IRrGDE


here we go...

U.S. Tells Russia to Remove Forces From Georgia
https://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/ajqe2gk5_wak

Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2566005/Russia-threatens-nuclear-attack-on-Poland-over-US-missile-shield-deal.html

[d-cat]

https://www.oldhalifax.com/SPP/images/fdrMemorial.jpg

[Lenny]

Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind. It is clear that he hates 'neocons' even though they were spawned under Reagan's regime. (actually from the 1972 Democratic Party that lost the election to Nixon from one account)
But I just don't know whose lies to believe!?
One side says "20,000 civilians Ossetia civilians" were killed and upon Russia to come save them. And yet Georgians claim 'No, not true'.
Don't know, but at times I know I've been ready to carve off Texas and return it to Mexico. Los Angeles too. But then that is only my feelings. Not rationale. Tough to discern what's right.


Here's an opinion by Reagan's assistant treasury secretary and a former member of a military think tank. He is fairly well informed on geopolitics.
President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?
By Paul Craig Roberts
8-16-08
The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war. ...

[phooph]

Listening to reporters for the BBC and NPR who are in East Ossetia, the consensus seems to be that the Georgians attacked first and destroyed much of the capital city killing a couple thousand people and driving out many of the inhabitants. Then the Russians came in and wreaked more havoc in driving out the Georgians, including ethnic Georgians who were inhabitants. The East Ossetians seem more predisposed to the Russians and would rather be a part of Russian than a part of Georgia, except, that is, the native Georgians. This looks to be repeat of other conflicts where a mixed population has been forced to sort themselves into ethnic enclaves.

Roberts accomplishments are noteworthy. The wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts) site on him misses a lot of what he has done. He is former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, contributing editor of the National Review and helped run the Treasury department for President Reagan where he won himself the title "The Father or Reaganomics." He has held the William E Simon Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (https://www.csis.org/), Georgetown University, and was Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution (https://www.hoover.org/), Stanford University (a strategic defense think tank) and a fellow of the Cato Institute (https://www.cato.org/). He is also a regular contributor to The American Conservative magazine. Not a lefty by any means, he believes the neocons have betrayed the conservative agenda and all but destroyed the Republican party. The neocons were actually spawned under Nixon and matured in the Reagan Adminstration where they were largely marginalized from policy making positions. They were ridiculed by Bush 1, frustrated by Clinton and finally able to seduce Bush 2 with promises of making him a more famous president than his father if he were to get rid of Saddam and "bring democracy" to Iraq. One might say they have succeeded in making him more famous but is is the kind of fame a president wants? W being W he probably sees himself just as the fantasy dictates.


Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind. It is clear that he hates 'neocons' even though they were spawned under Reagan's regime. (actually from the 1972 Democratic Party that lost the election to Nixon from one account)
But I just don't know whose lies to believe!?
One side says "20,000 civilians Ossetia civilians" were killed and upon Russia to come save them. And yet Georgians claim 'No, not true'.
Don't know, but at times I know I've been ready to carve off Texas and return it to Mexico. Los Angeles too. But then that is only my feelings. Not rationale. Tough to discern what's right.

[handy]

Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind.

Thanks, Phooph. Lenny, Paul Craig Roberts pops up once in a while over at https://www.lewrockwell.com/ . He always seems to make sense to me over the last couple of years. I can't find an axe. He's been there, done that, and what he sees it becoming is making him sick. I like him.

[Lenny]

Thanks, Phooph. Lenny, Paul Craig Roberts pops up once in a while over at https://www.lewrockwell.com/ . He always seems to make sense to me over the last couple of years. I can't find an axe. He's been there, done that, and what he sees it becoming is making him sick. I like him.

Twice Craig refers to "the Israeli-occupied American media". I've not heard that kind of rhetoric in a long while, like since The Daily Worker; or by anyone who has been that high up in the halls of power. I am shocked to see such, and twice!
It's easy to kick any lame duck president, but I am glad to see the neocons get their comeupance.
While playing around for the origin of the neo-cons Wiki had this guy:
Irving Kristol (the Godfather of Neo Cons) suggests of himself, "Ever since I can remember, I've been a neo-something: a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-liberal, a neo-conservative; in religion a neo-orthodox even while I was a neo-Trotskyist and a neo-Marxist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxist). I'm going to end up a neo-that's all, neo dash nothing."<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol#cite_note-6)</sup>

And this is the guy that created, packaged and sold the idea to BushCo. Interesting read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war.

[d-cat]

Wikipedia is not a good source for that type of info.

See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign
https://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker

[d-cat]

I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!

These well-informed lads feel the same about Nancy Pelosi - and tell her straight to her face! :lol2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uNIVU5Wns

[OrchardDweller]

Bush Sr. on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

Clinton on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

Gary Hart on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

Kissinger on New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia-president-saakashvili-calls-for-new-order.html

Hey d-cat, you're forgetting someone!

Ron Paul on the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

Help Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty reach its goal of 100,000 members by September 2 by signing up on his new website:
https://www.campaignforliberty.com/

And visit:
https://www.dailypaul.com/


Ron Paul's book came out in April and was #1 on both Amazon and the NYT bestseller list

https://www.theadvocates.org/liberator/revolution-by-ron-paul.gif

[Braggi]

They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers. . . call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order.

Ya made me look. Lotsa gems from that guy including this one:

True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

Lots more here:

https://www.knowprose.com/node/12218

Perhaps we should email one of these quotes a day to G. W..

Oh, by the way, how do you like the way(s) Bush and Co. are responding to this thing in Georgia? Bold, eh? Paper tiger, that US?

Oh, and those missiles in Poland. What a great idea! Good timing too.

-Jeff

[Valley Oak]

Hey, yeah. I think I see a pattern here. It seems that there's a little more going on than meets the eye. I wonder what it might be.

Can anyone give me a clue?

Edward



Oh, by the way, how do you like the way(s) Bush and Co. are responding to this thing in Georgia? Bold, eh? Paper tiger, that US?

Oh, and those missiles in Poland. What a great idea! Good timing too.

-Jeff

[OrchardDweller]

Dr. Ron Paul radio interview August 20, 2008
discusses Russia, economic crisis, and more.

part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJiWYmXGLY

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYu4-tsVU14

[d-cat]

Have recently learned of the illuminati........rings true to me. mindy


https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7779/theallseeingeye2zv.jpg

[d-cat]

Ya made me look. Lotsa gems from that guy including this one:

True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

Lots more here:

https://www.knowprose.com/node/12218



I like this one:

"Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

[d-cat]

Dr. Ron Paul radio interview August 20, 2008
discusses Russia, economic crisis, and more.

part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJiWYmXGLY

part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYu4-tsVU14


Here is the "secret" prison for the DNC spoken about in part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEc3ejHIaM


Just in case, people who aren't familiar with the subject might want to learn about "Agent Provocateurs". Here is an example of them being used last year at the SPP (North American Union) meeting in Montebello, Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLTLSq03jmk


and here's an in depth look at them in action at the WTO Protest in Seattle. Please watch and learn so that this tactic doesn't fool you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAWslHmiok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0POPVIX6sf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgxR9hQ2cb0

Get hip to "false flag" operations too. They have used that since ancient times to fool the public.

[Zeno Swijtink]

COMMENT
BOUNDARY ISSUES (https://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/08/25/080825taco_talk_remnick)
by David Remnick
AUGUST 25, 2008
New Yorker
KEYWORDS
Russia, Russians; Georgia, Georgians; Putin, Vladimir; Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr; Foreign Policy; Soviet Union; South Ossetia

On a bright September day in 1993, not long before he ended his two decades in exile, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn delivered a rare public address in Vaduz, the capital of Liechtenstein. Although Solzhenitsyn was energetic at the lectern, he was all but finished with his epic work as the chronicler of Soviet cruelty. With “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich,” “Cancer Ward,” “The First Circle,” and, above all, “The Gulag Archipelago,” Solzhenitsyn had not only exposed the secrets of Soviet oppression and ruin; he had also presaged the collapse of Communist ideology and Moscow’s empire.

But, in Vaduz, Solzhenitsyn, a principled conservative, could not join in the West’s euphoria. He was deeply aware that the costs of ideology, violence, and empire had not been paid in full. While American triumphalists were still indulging in clichés of how Ronald Reagan had won the Cold War, Solzhenitsyn anticipated the persistence of the old and unrepentant élites, the former Communist Party chiefs and K.G.B. officials who so easily transformed themselves into “democrats” and “businessmen”:

We were recently entertained by a naïve fable of the happy arrival at the “end of history,” of the overflowing triumph of an all-democratic bliss; the ultimate global arrangement had supposedly been attained. But we all see and sense that something very different is coming, something new, and perhaps quite stern. No, tranquility does not promise to descend on our planet, and will not be granted us so easily.

Solzhenitsyn died on August 3rd, and he was buried near Turgenev in the graveyard of the Donskoi Monastery. Vladimir Putin, the former K.G.B. operative and Russia’s de-facto President, unabashed by irony, paid tribute to Solzhenitsyn’s service to “the ideals of freedom, justice, and humanism.” Later that week, while attending the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in Beijing, Putin discussed with his seatmates and fellow heads of state a non-sporting matter: he had ordered his tanks and troop trucks into South Ossetia, in the Caucasus. His Army also attacked Georgia proper, most forcefully the city of Gori, the birthplace of Iosef Dzhugashvili—better known as Stalin, who in his day helped redraw the volatile mosaic of the Caucasus.

Part of the “naïve fable” was that the collapse of the Soviet Union would peaceably defy historical precedent. Empires, blinded by hauteur and ambition, don’t often stoop to understand the complexities of their human and territorial acquisitions, and care even less about the disfigurements and time bombs they eventually leave behind. The record is long: after the Ottoman decline came the slaughter of Armenians and the drawing of senseless boundaries in the Middle East; imperial Britain left in its wake the wars in Ireland, Palestine, Nigeria, and the Indian subcontinent; the French provided a legacy of imminent violence from Algeria to Indochina.

Nor was the Soviet breakup the result of precision engineering; its dangers, similarly, were only briefly concealed. In December, 1991, at a vodka-soaked confab in a hunting lodge near the Polish border, the Russian President, Boris Yeltsin, and the leaders of Belarus and Ukraine dissolved the union formed by the Bolsheviks and their tsarist predecessors, instantly depriving Mikhail Gorbachev of employment. “I well remember how a sensation of freedom and lightness suddenly came over me,” Yeltsin wrote of the event. Putin, Yeltsin’s successor, who spent the perestroika years seething with resentment as an intelligence officer in East Germany, saw it differently. Burning secret documents as the Berlin Wall fell, Putin felt abandoned by the Party and by the empire he had been brought up to protect; he later called the collapse of the Soviet Union “the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the twentieth century.”

Promises of a voluntary and effective commonwealth of liberated nations soon became a rueful memory. With the lonely exception of the Baltic states (particularly Estonia), democratic development came slowly and fitfully to the former republics, when it came at all. The Central Asian republics—the “stans”—ranged in political shape from a North Korean model in Turkmenistan to an oil autocracy in Kazakhstan run by a dynast from the Communist era. Belarus is run by a petty dictator, Aleksandr Lukashenko, who informed a German newspaper that “not everything connected with that well-known figure, Adolf Hitler, was bad.” In Azerbaijan, the patriarch Heydar Aliyev, a K.G.B. general in his salad days, bequeathed the nation’s throne to his son, Ilham. And so on. The levels of autocracy, criminality, tin-pot cronyism, and resurgent nationalisms emerged on such a heroic and ruinous scale that the historian Stephen Kotkin has referred to the less fortunate republics of the former Soviet Union as “Trashcanistans.”

Moscow did not engage in large-scale violence in the post-Soviet realm until 1994, but, not surprisingly, when it did it centered on the Caucasus—for centuries a cauldron of ethnic emotion and battle. By levelling the Chechen capital, Grozny, Yeltsin reënacted the tragedy of Lyndon Johnson, a politician whose early liberal intentions were overwhelmed by his commitment to a senseless and unwinnable war. Vladimir Putin has none of Yeltsin’s democratic pretensions. His focus is Russian power and its reëstablishment. And, even as the world rightly condemns his ruthless invasion of Georgia, imagining the world as he sees it is a worthwhile exercise.

Taken individually, the West’s actions since the collapse of the Soviet Union—from the inclusion of the Baltic and the Central European states in NATO to the recognition of Kosovo as an independent state—can be rationalized on strategic and moral grounds. But taken together these actions were bound to engender deep-seated feelings of national resentment among Russians, especially as, through the nineteen-nineties, they suffered an unprecedentedly rapid downward spiral. Even ordinary Russians find it mightily trying to be lectured on questions of sovereignty and moral diplomacy by the West, particularly the United States, which, even before Iraq, had a long history of foreign intervention, overt and covert—politics by other means. After the exposure of the Bush Administration’s behavior prior to the invasion of Iraq and its unapologetic use of torture, why would any leader, much less Putin, respond to moral suasion from Washington? That is America’s tragedy, and the world’s.

There is little doubt that the Georgian President, Mikheil Saakashvili, provided Putin with his long-awaited casus belli when he ordered the shelling of South Ossetia, on August 7th. But Putin’s war, of course, is not about the splendors of South Ossetia, a duchy run by the Russian secret service and criminal gangs. It is a war of demonstration. Putin is demonstrating that he is willing to use force; that he is unwilling to let Georgia and Ukraine enter NATO without exacting a severe price; and that he views the United States as hypocritical, overextended, distracted, and reluctant to make good on its protective assurances to the likes of Georgia.

Inevitably, a number of neoconservative commentators, along with John McCain, have rushed in to analyze this conflict using familiar analogies: the Nazi threat in the late nineteen-thirties; the Soviet invasions of Budapest in 1956 and Prague in 1968. But while Putin’s actions this past week have inspired genuine alarm in Kiev and beyond, such analogies can lead to heedless policy. As the English theologian Bishop Joseph Butler wrote, “Every thing is what it is, and not another thing.” Cartoonish rhetoric only contributes to the dangerous return of what some conservatives seem to crave—the other, the enemy, the us versus them of the Cold War.

Only one with a heart of stone could fail to be moved by the spectacle of the leaders of Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic states standing by Saakashvili last week at a rally in Tbilisi. But Putin is not Hitler or Stalin; he is not even Leonid Brezhnev. He is what he is, and that is bad enough. In the 2008 election, he made a joke of democratic procedure and, in effect, engineered for himself an anti-constitutional third term. The press, the parliament, the judiciary, the business élite are all in his pocket—and there is no opposition. But Putin also knows that Russia cannot bear the cost of reconstituting empire or the gulag. It depends on the West as a market. One lesson of the Soviet experience is that isolation ends in poverty. Putin’s is a new and subtler game: he is the autocrat who calls on the widow of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. To deal with him will require statecraft of a kind that has proved well beyond the capacities of our current practitioners.

[OrchardDweller]

I was already being scoffed as fringe (as if that's bad) with this thread from awhile back. Turned out the fringe was right though.

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25476

I guess your message then puts you with the masses. I don't need their approval to form my opinions.

Isaiah's Job
from The Atlantic Monthly in 1936
https://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html

[Zeno Swijtink]

My friend wrote: "This is a geopolitical Roger Rabbit ticking bomb, and node from which a radical violent trend could emerge that would change the world, and take years to resolve."
- Zeno

Georgian Port is Focal Point of Standoff With Russia (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/51127.html)
SHASHANK BENGALI and DAVE MONTGOMERY - McClatchy Newspapers

POTI, Georgia - Weeks before Russia invaded Georgia earlier this month, excavators in this key Black Sea port began to lay the ground for a $200 million tax-free zone to triple the port's capacity and create, Georgian officials said, the Dubai of the Caucasus.

Some of that soft green earth now is occupied by Russian tanks and soldiers camped behind huge, freshly dug trenches, within firing range of ships approaching the port. A second Russian checkpoint is about a mile away, along a river that's sometimes used to ferry goods into eastern Georgia.

The Russian presence is a stark illustration of how this 150-year-old port, which handles millions of tons of cargo moving between Europe and Central Asia, is now a key pressure point in the standoff between Russia and the West.

The port is functioning normally again, despite numerous news reports to the contrary and the claim by Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili - most recently in Thursday's Financial Times - that Russia continues "to occupy" Poti.

The Persian Gulf-funded expansion project is now on hold, however, and major questions remain about the Kremlin's intentions here. On Wednesday the United States shelved plans to unload 38 tons of humanitarian cargo at Poti, not because the port was closed but to avoid a potential confrontation with Moscow. The U.S. Coast Guard cutter Dallas delivered its cargo instead to Batumi, 50 miles to the south.

Poti is a key element in a network of seaports, railroads, highways and energy pipelines to Azerbaijan and Armenia that makes Georgia a major transit link between East and West. The U.S. Commerce Department has described the sleepy, working-class town of 50,000 people as the most important port in the mountainous Caucasus region, which stretches east and west along Russia's southern border.

The expansion of the port has enhanced Georgia's strategic importance, and some U.S. analysts think that Russia wants to dominate its former Soviet neighbor to seize control of those transportation assets or to stifle Western commerce in the region.

"It's a huge deal,'' said Ariel Cohen of The Heritage Foundation, a conservative research center in Washington. "What Russia is trying to do is to plug the east-west transportation corridor that includes railroads and pipelines.

"By controlling Poti, they're controlling the strategic bottleneck of the southern Caucasus."

After overwhelming Georgia's military in a brief war that drew condemnation from Western nations, Russia scaled back its military presence under a French-brokered cease-fire pact. But its troops remain scattered in Poti and dozens of other locations throughout the country, prompting U.S. and European officials to accuse the Kremlin of failing to abide fully by the cease-fire.

While Russian forces haven't stopped cargo from entering or leaving Poti, port officials are worried about what could happen if the forces were provoked or after world attention on Georgia fades.

"Poti is the biggest supplier to Georgia and the region, and they (the Russians) are at the entrance of the city," said Eduard Machavariani, the port's director of commerce. "Anytime you don't know your enemy's intentions, you have to be a little scared."

Russian forces bombed the port at the start of the conflict on Aug. 8, killing five Georgian workers, damaging the container dock and knocking the port offline for nearly three days. On Aug. 19, Russian troops seized the port for several hours and captured 22 Georgian soldiers who were standing guard there. The soldiers later were released.

The bombing of a bridge near Kaspi severed east-west rail traffic until an alternate rail line opened in recent days. The rail breakdown and military blockades on the roads forced cargo to stack up in the port, and officials say that some cargo ships diverted to ports in Turkey and elsewhere.

Amy Denman, the executive director of the American Chamber of Commerce in Georgia, said that the transport delays, along with minor interruptions at Batumi, had put companies in danger of breaching agreements on shipping contracts. Poti is Georgia's transit center for dry goods; Batumi is a transshipment point for oil from the Caspian Sea.

"Goods are moving," Denman said, "but there is still a backup."

"For a week the port was closed and therefore our vessels were not able to call the port,'' said Michael Storgaard, a spokesman for the Denmark-based Maersk Line, one of the world's biggest container fleets. "After the port resumed operations, there have naturally been some backlog issues. We are confident that these soon will be cleared.''

More than 7 million tons of cargo passed through Poti last year, a 16 percent increase over 2006, and trade increased another 10 percent in the past year.

In April, the Georgia government sold a 51 percent stake in the port to a United Arab Emirates investment fund to develop a free economic zone. The RAK Investment Authority plans to spend $200 million to build a new port, spawning additional development that's expected to generate up to 20,000 jobs over the next five years, according to news reports.

Analysts say that transit tie-ups could cause merchants and manufacturers to think twice about shipping into Georgia, raising the prospect of future shortages in the country.

"What is it going to be in two weeks, three months?" said Rick Lussen, the director of Tbilisi's American Academy, which serves Georgian and American students. "It's a question of how interested people are in wanting to do trade with Georgia."

An executive with a major shipping company that uses the Poti port, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of company policy, said the port had operated without serious problems despite the Russian attacks. When he drove there several days ago, he said, he saw a group of soldiers clustered around four or five armored vehicles at a checkpoint.

The soldiers, he said, "just sit there" and "don't interfere with traffic."

They've had a couple of run-ins with residents, however. One night last week, a Poti man, reportedly drunk, wandered near the checkpoint and was assaulted by Russian soldiers. Another night, a group of Russians, themselves drunk, raided a nearby meat-processing plant and ran off with sausages and other products, residents said.

The behavior worries port officials.

"It's very hot, and those soldiers drink a lot of vodka," Machavariani said. "You don't know what can happen."

[d-cat]

Isaiah's Job
from The Atlantic Monthly in 1936
https://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html

Thanks!

We are the Remnant :):

[d-cat]

Please watch this new documentary on the NWO. Hopefully, as more people here wake up to what is really occurring, we can shift our focus to what can be done.


https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2908429904168167174

warning: may be shocking to the uninitiated

[d-cat]

https://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/house_dees.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhbSolKWP0

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[OrchardDweller]

https://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/house_dees.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFhbSolKWP0

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Comcast to make monthly Internet use cap official
https://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/COMCAST_INTERNET_CAP?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[d-cat]

Rice Admits Georgia Started War with Russia

...Speaking at an event organised by the German Marshall Fund in Washington, Ms Rice acknowledged that Georgia had fired the first shots in the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

"The Georgian government launched a major military operation into Tskhinvali [the capital of South Ossetia] and other areas of that separatist region," she said...

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623555.stm

[Neshamah]

The situation with Georgia and Russia is not black and white, and the U.S., even if it should be involved, is already stretched too thin to be effective. (And our record of foreign intervention is not exactly competent.) The founding fathers knew what they were talking about when they said to stay out of foreign entanglements.

~ Neshamah

[d-cat]

The situation with Georgia and Russia is not black and white, and the U.S., even if it should be involved, is already stretched too thin to be effective. (And our record of foreign intervention is not exactly competent.) The founding fathers knew what they were talking about when they said to stay out of foreign entanglements.

~ Neshamah

yes, the military is indeed stretched too thin, as is the US taxpayer's pocketbook. But they wanna send a billion $ to Georgia anyway. Peanuts now compared to the bailout, but a billion could do a lot of good right here in our own country.