MsTerry
07-31-2008, 08:34 PM
anybody tried cuil yet?
https://www.cuil.com/
https://www.cuil.com/
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nurturetruth
08-01-2008, 08:30 AM
VERY VERY KEWL!
Nice addition to know about! I typed in the word "love" and got all sorts of good resources!!
thank you, love!
anybody tried cuil yet?
https://www.cuil.com/
Nice addition to know about! I typed in the word "love" and got all sorts of good resources!!
thank you, love!
anybody tried cuil yet?
https://www.cuil.com/
Benefit To All
08-03-2008, 10:42 AM
What a great search engine. I searched an author that I had also searched google for earlier in the week and came up with about 8 more in depth interviews and associations that never showed up on google...Thank You....very Cool indeed.
VERY VERY KEWL!
Nice addition to know about! I typed in the word "love" and got all sorts of good resources!!
thank you, love!
VERY VERY KEWL!
Nice addition to know about! I typed in the word "love" and got all sorts of good resources!!
thank you, love!
Lenny
08-03-2008, 12:02 PM
Will try it some more. Tried "bees" and didn't like the interface, as there was to much to distract the eye, but will hang on it for awhile to see about more serious searching.
arthousefilms
08-04-2008, 05:46 AM
There's a review of Cuil on the iTunes podcast of "Slate's Cultural Gabfest". The three hosts tested Cuil and concluded it wasn't even close to taking over the Google juggernaut. Can anyone take down Google with something better? I mean, Google works pretty darn good. Of course, they keep track of your every click, but that's the trade off we are all willing to sacrifice.
Kirk
Kirk
MsTerry
08-05-2008, 10:58 AM
There's a review of Cuil on the iTunes podcast of "Slate's Cultural Gabfest". The three hosts tested Cuil and concluded it wasn't even close to taking over the Google juggernaut. Can anyone take down Google with something better? I mean, Google works pretty darn good. Of course, they keep track of your every click, but that's the trade off we are all willing to sacrifice.
Kirk
I think it needs more users to work out the kinks, Google was updated by this WOMAN who designed Cuil.
Ex-Google Employees Debut 'Cuil' Search Engine
MENLO PARK (CBS 5 / AP) ― Anna Patterson's last Internet search engine was so impressive that industry leader Google Inc. bought the technology in 2004 to upgrade its own system.
She believes her latest invention is even more valuable—only this time it's not for sale.
Patterson instead intends to upstage Google, which she quit in 2006 to develop a more comprehensive and efficient way to scour the Internet.
The end result is Cuil (https://www.cuil.com/), pronounced "cool." Backed by $33 million in venture capital, the search engine plans to begin processing requests for the first time Monday.
Cuil's only got 30-employees working on new web search technology, but the Menlo Park company is taking on the world's largest search engine - GOOGLE.
Cnet Editor Rafe Needleman (https://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10000670-2.html?tag=blog.1)said, "It has more pages indexed than Google and presents results in a different way that can theoretically present a challenge for Google."
On its launch day, Patterson said the site shut down two times in the early hours because it was overwhelmed with three times more traffic than expected.
"We definitely did not expect this much traffic. In the long term, we'll buy more servers," said Patterson.
Cuil had kept a low profile while Patterson, her husband, Tom Costello, and two other former Google engineers—Russell Power and Louis Monier—searched for better ways to search.
Now, it's boasting time.
For starters, Cuil's search index spans 120 billion Web pages. Patterson believes that's at least three times the size of Google's index, although there is no way to know for certain. Google stopped publicly quantifying its index's breadth nearly three years ago when the catalog spanned 8.2 billion Web pages.
Menlo Park-based Cuil won't divulge the formula it has developed to cover a wider swath of the Web with far fewer computers than Google. And Google isn't ceding the point: Spokeswoman Katie Watson said her company still believes its index is the largest.
After getting inquiries about Cuil, Google asserted on its blog Friday that it regularly scans through 1 trillion unique Web links. But Google said it doesn't index them all because they either point to similar content or would diminish the quality of its search results in some other way. The posting didn't quantify the size of Google's index.
A search index's scope is important because information, pictures and content can't be found unless they're stored in a database. But Cuil believes it will outshine Google in several other ways, including its method for identifying and displaying pertinent results.
Rather than trying to mimic Google's method of ranking the quantity and quality of links to Web sites, Patterson says Cuil's technology drills into the actual content of a page. And Cuil's results will be presented in a more magazine-like format instead of just a vertical stack of Web links.
Cuil's results are displayed with more photos spread horizontally across the page and include sidebars that can be clicked on to learn more about topics related to the original search request.
Finally, Cuil is hoping to attract traffic by promising not to retain information about its users' search histories or surfing patterns—something that Google does, much to the consternation of privacy watchdogs.
Rafe Needleman give it a mixed review, "It's got great potential. I love the philosophy to present results in a clear way. But, it's not that good right now. If I type in 'cheap flights from sf to ny', instead of getting airfare results, you get something about relocating, something in another language, and cheap flights to Cerritos."
He said search results can be compromised if too many users are trying to access individual servers that are dedicated to specific topics.
Patterson said that problem should be fixed in the future when more servers are placed on line. She said it took Google 10 years to get where the company is now. She knows the path first hand since she used to work on Google's search technology.
"Comparing our 18 engineers to Google's10 years and 20,000 is crazy. But we're taking a different path and we're in it for the long haul. We're going to improve."
Cuil is just the latest in a long line of Google challengers. The list includes swaggering startups like Teoma (whose technology became the backbone of Ask.com), Vivisimo, Snap, Mahalo and, most recently, Powerset, which was acquired by Microsoft Corp. this month.
Even after investing hundreds of millions of dollars on search, both Microsoft and Yahoo Inc. have been losing ground to Google. Through May, Google held a 62 percent share of the U.S. search market followed by Yahoo at 21 percent and Microsoft at 8.5 percent, according to comScore Inc.
Google has become so synonymous with Internet search that it may no longer matter how good Cuil or any other challenger is, said Gartner Inc. analyst Allen Weiner.
"Search has become as much about branding as anything else," Weiner said. "I doubt (Cuil) will be keeping anyone at Google awake at night."
Google welcomed Cuil to the fray with its usual mantra about its rivals. "Having great competitors is a huge benefit to us and everyone in the search space," Watson said. "It makes us all work harder, and at the end of the day our users benefit from that."
But this will be the first time that Google has battled a general-purpose search engine created by its own alumni. It probably won't be the last time, given that Google now has nearly 20,000 employees.
Patterson joined Google in 2004 after she built and sold Recall, a search index that probed old Web sites for the Internet Archive. She and Power worked on the same team at Google.
Although he also worked for Google for a short time, Monier is best known as the former chief technology officer of AltaVista, which was considered the best search engine before Google came along in 1998.
Monier also helped build the search engine on eBay's online auction site.
The trio of former Googlers are teaming up with Patterson's husband, Costello, who built a once-promising search engine called Xift in the late 1990s. He later joined IBM Corp., where he worked on an "analytic engine" called WebFountain.
Costello's Irish heritage inspired Cuil's odd name. It was derived from a character named Finn McCuilll in Celtic folklore.
Patterson enjoyed her time at Google, but became disenchanted with the company's approach to search. "Google has looked pretty much the same for 10 years now," she said, "and I can guarantee it will look the same a year from now."
Kirk
I think it needs more users to work out the kinks, Google was updated by this WOMAN who designed Cuil.
Ex-Google Employees Debut 'Cuil' Search Engine
MENLO PARK (CBS 5 / AP) ― Anna Patterson's last Internet search engine was so impressive that industry leader Google Inc. bought the technology in 2004 to upgrade its own system.
She believes her latest invention is even more valuable—only this time it's not for sale.
Patterson instead intends to upstage Google, which she quit in 2006 to develop a more comprehensive and efficient way to scour the Internet.
The end result is Cuil (https://www.cuil.com/), pronounced "cool." Backed by $33 million in venture capital, the search engine plans to begin processing requests for the first time Monday.
Cuil's only got 30-employees working on new web search technology, but the Menlo Park company is taking on the world's largest search engine - GOOGLE.
Cnet Editor Rafe Needleman (https://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10000670-2.html?tag=blog.1)said, "It has more pages indexed than Google and presents results in a different way that can theoretically present a challenge for Google."
On its launch day, Patterson said the site shut down two times in the early hours because it was overwhelmed with three times more traffic than expected.
"We definitely did not expect this much traffic. In the long term, we'll buy more servers," said Patterson.
Cuil had kept a low profile while Patterson, her husband, Tom Costello, and two other former Google engineers—Russell Power and Louis Monier—searched for better ways to search.
Now, it's boasting time.
For starters, Cuil's search index spans 120 billion Web pages. Patterson believes that's at least three times the size of Google's index, although there is no way to know for certain. Google stopped publicly quantifying its index's breadth nearly three years ago when the catalog spanned 8.2 billion Web pages.
Menlo Park-based Cuil won't divulge the formula it has developed to cover a wider swath of the Web with far fewer computers than Google. And Google isn't ceding the point: Spokeswoman Katie Watson said her company still believes its index is the largest.
After getting inquiries about Cuil, Google asserted on its blog Friday that it regularly scans through 1 trillion unique Web links. But Google said it doesn't index them all because they either point to similar content or would diminish the quality of its search results in some other way. The posting didn't quantify the size of Google's index.
A search index's scope is important because information, pictures and content can't be found unless they're stored in a database. But Cuil believes it will outshine Google in several other ways, including its method for identifying and displaying pertinent results.
Rather than trying to mimic Google's method of ranking the quantity and quality of links to Web sites, Patterson says Cuil's technology drills into the actual content of a page. And Cuil's results will be presented in a more magazine-like format instead of just a vertical stack of Web links.
Cuil's results are displayed with more photos spread horizontally across the page and include sidebars that can be clicked on to learn more about topics related to the original search request.
Finally, Cuil is hoping to attract traffic by promising not to retain information about its users' search histories or surfing patterns—something that Google does, much to the consternation of privacy watchdogs.
Rafe Needleman give it a mixed review, "It's got great potential. I love the philosophy to present results in a clear way. But, it's not that good right now. If I type in 'cheap flights from sf to ny', instead of getting airfare results, you get something about relocating, something in another language, and cheap flights to Cerritos."
He said search results can be compromised if too many users are trying to access individual servers that are dedicated to specific topics.
Patterson said that problem should be fixed in the future when more servers are placed on line. She said it took Google 10 years to get where the company is now. She knows the path first hand since she used to work on Google's search technology.
"Comparing our 18 engineers to Google's10 years and 20,000 is crazy. But we're taking a different path and we're in it for the long haul. We're going to improve."
Cuil is just the latest in a long line of Google challengers. The list includes swaggering startups like Teoma (whose technology became the backbone of Ask.com), Vivisimo, Snap, Mahalo and, most recently, Powerset, which was acquired by Microsoft Corp. this month.
Even after investing hundreds of millions of dollars on search, both Microsoft and Yahoo Inc. have been losing ground to Google. Through May, Google held a 62 percent share of the U.S. search market followed by Yahoo at 21 percent and Microsoft at 8.5 percent, according to comScore Inc.
Google has become so synonymous with Internet search that it may no longer matter how good Cuil or any other challenger is, said Gartner Inc. analyst Allen Weiner.
"Search has become as much about branding as anything else," Weiner said. "I doubt (Cuil) will be keeping anyone at Google awake at night."
Google welcomed Cuil to the fray with its usual mantra about its rivals. "Having great competitors is a huge benefit to us and everyone in the search space," Watson said. "It makes us all work harder, and at the end of the day our users benefit from that."
But this will be the first time that Google has battled a general-purpose search engine created by its own alumni. It probably won't be the last time, given that Google now has nearly 20,000 employees.
Patterson joined Google in 2004 after she built and sold Recall, a search index that probed old Web sites for the Internet Archive. She and Power worked on the same team at Google.
Although he also worked for Google for a short time, Monier is best known as the former chief technology officer of AltaVista, which was considered the best search engine before Google came along in 1998.
Monier also helped build the search engine on eBay's online auction site.
The trio of former Googlers are teaming up with Patterson's husband, Costello, who built a once-promising search engine called Xift in the late 1990s. He later joined IBM Corp., where he worked on an "analytic engine" called WebFountain.
Costello's Irish heritage inspired Cuil's odd name. It was derived from a character named Finn McCuilll in Celtic folklore.
Patterson enjoyed her time at Google, but became disenchanted with the company's approach to search. "Google has looked pretty much the same for 10 years now," she said, "and I can guarantee it will look the same a year from now."
shellebelle
08-05-2008, 11:15 AM
www.goosh.org
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
This hold what I search so I can research literally pages and pages of info. I can leave it up all day and go back and forth between pages and info.
It will open my gmail and I can review it as well and answer and everything.
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
This hold what I search so I can research literally pages and pages of info. I can leave it up all day and go back and forth between pages and info.
It will open my gmail and I can review it as well and answer and everything.
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
Lenny
08-05-2008, 03:12 PM
www.goosh.org (https://www.goosh.org)
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
This hold what I search so I can research literally pages and pages of info. I can leave it up all day and go back and forth between pages and info.
It will open my gmail and I can review it as well and answer and everything.
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
Open source is good!
Days of command line, remembered. Thanks! Much play to do.
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
This hold what I search so I can research literally pages and pages of info. I can leave it up all day and go back and forth between pages and info.
It will open my gmail and I can review it as well and answer and everything.
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
Open source is good!
Days of command line, remembered. Thanks! Much play to do.
MsTerry
08-05-2008, 03:17 PM
This google-interface behaves similar to a unix-shell.
You type commands and the results are shown on this page.
goosh is powered by google (https://code.google.com/apis/ajax/).
goosh is written by Stefan Grothkopp <script type="text/javascript"> // <!-- var gmail = "gmail.com"; document.write("<<a href='mailto:grothkopp"+"@"+gmail+"?subject=goosh.org' style='text-decoration:none; color: #000;'>grothkopp"+"@"+gmail+"</a>>"); //--> </script><[email protected] ([email protected]?subject=goosh.org)>
it is NOT an official google product!
What does all this means Shelle?
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
www.goosh.org (https://www.goosh.org)
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
You type commands and the results are shown on this page.
goosh is powered by google (https://code.google.com/apis/ajax/).
goosh is written by Stefan Grothkopp <script type="text/javascript"> // <!-- var gmail = "gmail.com"; document.write("<<a href='mailto:grothkopp"+"@"+gmail+"?subject=goosh.org' style='text-decoration:none; color: #000;'>grothkopp"+"@"+gmail+"</a>>"); //--> </script><[email protected] ([email protected]?subject=goosh.org)>
it is NOT an official google product!
What does all this means Shelle?
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
www.goosh.org (https://www.goosh.org)
is the best!
I've tried the rest and they just don't measure up!
It is a real techie's dream - open sourced and reliable!
shellebelle
08-05-2008, 03:31 PM
I don't know what you mean watched by the Google God.
Any time you surf your internet the provider and the sites you go to track you.
Now on the other hand with the command line option you aren't dealing with the ads. So on Google or most any other when you search your ads match your interest but in the open source" "command line" format of goosh no such thing.
These types of wonderful open source products are often never utilized by the general public because they have no clue it's available or how to use it.
For those who don't know what open source means here ya go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
The principles and practices are commonly applied to the development of source code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code) for software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software) that is made available for public collaboration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration), and it is usually released as open-source software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software).
Sebastopol has a strong open source community based around a lot of the work of O'Reilly Media. https://oreilly.com/about/
"In April 1998, we hosted a meeting that became known as the Open Source Summit. This event brought together leaders of many of the significant open source communities, including Linux, Apache, Perl, Python, and Mozilla, who voted to adopt the newly coined term "Open Source" to address ambiguities in the term "Free Software." The Summit garnered national publicity for open source, bringing it to the attention of the business world. In the years since, we've held summits on peer-to- peer technology, web services, geek volunteerism, and Ajax. The summits we've hosted have forged new ties between industry leaders, raised awareness of technology issues we think are interesting and important, and crystallized the critical issues around emerging technologies."
What does all this means Shelle?
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
Any time you surf your internet the provider and the sites you go to track you.
Now on the other hand with the command line option you aren't dealing with the ads. So on Google or most any other when you search your ads match your interest but in the open source" "command line" format of goosh no such thing.
These types of wonderful open source products are often never utilized by the general public because they have no clue it's available or how to use it.
For those who don't know what open source means here ya go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
The principles and practices are commonly applied to the development of source code (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_code) for software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software) that is made available for public collaboration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration), and it is usually released as open-source software (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software).
Sebastopol has a strong open source community based around a lot of the work of O'Reilly Media. https://oreilly.com/about/
"In April 1998, we hosted a meeting that became known as the Open Source Summit. This event brought together leaders of many of the significant open source communities, including Linux, Apache, Perl, Python, and Mozilla, who voted to adopt the newly coined term "Open Source" to address ambiguities in the term "Free Software." The Summit garnered national publicity for open source, bringing it to the attention of the business world. In the years since, we've held summits on peer-to- peer technology, web services, geek volunteerism, and Ajax. The summits we've hosted have forged new ties between industry leaders, raised awareness of technology issues we think are interesting and important, and crystallized the critical issues around emerging technologies."
What does all this means Shelle?
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
MsTerry
08-05-2008, 08:05 PM
I don't know what you mean watched by the Google God.
Any time you surf your internet the provider and the sites you go to track you.
Google tracks, stores and provides the Gov. with private data.
Cuil does not.
Any time you surf your internet the provider and the sites you go to track you.
Google tracks, stores and provides the Gov. with private data.
Cuil does not.
shellebelle
08-05-2008, 08:27 PM
Well for goosh you'd have to ask the author. I don't have the answer. I've never cared.
On the other side - again you internet provider and every site, ever click you make can be audited.
Google tracks, stores and provides the Gov. with private data.
Cuil does not.
On the other side - again you internet provider and every site, ever click you make can be audited.
Google tracks, stores and provides the Gov. with private data.
Cuil does not.
Lenny
08-06-2008, 03:12 PM
What does all this means Shelle?
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
So I can dance naked in front of Google? WHOPPEEE
It's no big thing, sure enough, but I don't give a fig.
Ms Terry, I know it sounds like a broken record, but the whole inter-thingy was founded by the military-industrial complex at the behest & $ of the government. So there is NOTHING private on the whole magilla. And what is worse, it doesn't matter to me. "Spit in their eye" is my attitude, and I've tried to change that 'tude, but it turns out to be like an old, comfortable pair of shoes; it fits and has become a friend.
If the gov't wants to know what I think, I probably can bore them for hours on their incompetency, ineptness, all while reminding them of the government code for getting fired, which is, as mentioned, ineptness & incompetency. So Piffle on them. (Used to say something else.....)
Are we still being watched by the Google God?
So I can dance naked in front of Google? WHOPPEEE
It's no big thing, sure enough, but I don't give a fig.
Ms Terry, I know it sounds like a broken record, but the whole inter-thingy was founded by the military-industrial complex at the behest & $ of the government. So there is NOTHING private on the whole magilla. And what is worse, it doesn't matter to me. "Spit in their eye" is my attitude, and I've tried to change that 'tude, but it turns out to be like an old, comfortable pair of shoes; it fits and has become a friend.
If the gov't wants to know what I think, I probably can bore them for hours on their incompetency, ineptness, all while reminding them of the government code for getting fired, which is, as mentioned, ineptness & incompetency. So Piffle on them. (Used to say something else.....)
MsTerry
08-06-2008, 10:22 PM
So I can dance naked in front of Google? WHOPPEEE
It's no big thing, sure enough, but I don't give a fig.
Ms Terry, I know it sounds like a broken record, but the whole inter-thingy was founded by the military-industrial complex at the behest & $ of the government. So there is NOTHING private on the whole magilla. And what is worse, it doesn't matter to me. "Spit in their eye" is my attitude, and I've tried to change that 'tude, but it turns out to be like an old, comfortable pair of shoes; it fits and has become a friend.
If the gov't wants to know what I think, I probably can bore them for hours on their incompetency, ineptness, all while reminding them of the government code for getting fired, which is, as mentioned, ineptness & incompetency. So Piffle on them. (Used to say something else.....)
Lenny ,
It is not what they know about you, but what they do with it.
They combine different sources and fit it into a profile.
nowadays you are guilty untill you prove your innocence.
It's no big thing, sure enough, but I don't give a fig.
Ms Terry, I know it sounds like a broken record, but the whole inter-thingy was founded by the military-industrial complex at the behest & $ of the government. So there is NOTHING private on the whole magilla. And what is worse, it doesn't matter to me. "Spit in their eye" is my attitude, and I've tried to change that 'tude, but it turns out to be like an old, comfortable pair of shoes; it fits and has become a friend.
If the gov't wants to know what I think, I probably can bore them for hours on their incompetency, ineptness, all while reminding them of the government code for getting fired, which is, as mentioned, ineptness & incompetency. So Piffle on them. (Used to say something else.....)
Lenny ,
It is not what they know about you, but what they do with it.
They combine different sources and fit it into a profile.
nowadays you are guilty untill you prove your innocence.
Lenny
08-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Lenny ,
It is not what they know about you, but what they do with it. They combine different sources and fit it into a profile.
nowadays you are guilty untill you prove your innocence.
Profile THIS is a good American attitude and when I DO something wrong, then I AM guilty. Let "them" say what they want, think as "they" please, but when it comes to DO, bring it. Sorry, but it's that attitude again. Come get me, copper!
Ms Terry, we've done nothing to be ashamed of on this medium or this planet (well, we were ALL young once!) but there is nothing they may "put together" and "profile" me that will do harm. Irksome, yes. As in that Tom Cruise futureistic movie where they tailored commercials to that specific person. I've worked with databases before and know how powerful they can be, and still have no problem with playing in Google's back yard. I have my hangups for things to be weary of, but that just ain't one.
Now go, play and dance as if you were free of all gravity.
It is not what they know about you, but what they do with it. They combine different sources and fit it into a profile.
nowadays you are guilty untill you prove your innocence.
Profile THIS is a good American attitude and when I DO something wrong, then I AM guilty. Let "them" say what they want, think as "they" please, but when it comes to DO, bring it. Sorry, but it's that attitude again. Come get me, copper!
Ms Terry, we've done nothing to be ashamed of on this medium or this planet (well, we were ALL young once!) but there is nothing they may "put together" and "profile" me that will do harm. Irksome, yes. As in that Tom Cruise futureistic movie where they tailored commercials to that specific person. I've worked with databases before and know how powerful they can be, and still have no problem with playing in Google's back yard. I have my hangups for things to be weary of, but that just ain't one.
Now go, play and dance as if you were free of all gravity.
mykil
08-09-2008, 07:29 PM
MzT. if you are using a puter they are watching you!
shellebelle
08-09-2008, 07:38 PM
Ewwww there's a song to that effect.
They are watching me . . . .
hehehehe
Of course Myil you tend to just watch anyway!
MzT. if you are using a puter they are watching you!
They are watching me . . . .
hehehehe
Of course Myil you tend to just watch anyway!
MzT. if you are using a puter they are watching you!