Is this Misogyny?

[Dark Shadows]

Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:


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Claims that the female in the relationship is emasculating or makes statements that are designed to be emasculating
Accuses the female in the relationship of “pressuring” or “railroading” him into doing something that he doesn’t want to do, but does anyway
Exaggerates problems or issues that have to do with every day life so that they are a source of stress to the female if they are not fixed immediately to his satisfaction
Uncompressing and unbending on certain issues
Puts his own needs before that of the female so they are not even a consideration in making decisions
Anal about the organization of items in the house and the car or any other space he occupies
Does not take responsibility for birth control, forgets to prepare, or says that it dulls his sensation
Inconsiderate, for example does not take into consideration that the female may be tired, or inconvenienced by his actions

[theindependenteye]

>Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:

For what it's worth:

I'm not sure about the logic of connecting these behaviors with a hatred of women. Except for the "emasculating" and "birth control" claims, I've seen these behaviors man-to-man, woman-to-woman, woman-to-man as well. And even those are part of what seem to be a general catalog of insensitivity, self-centeredness, and insecurity. Obviously all that adds up to a difficult partnership.

I'm wondering why you ask this question. "Misogyny" could mean many thingd -- some things tht might fit this case, some things that might be far off the mark. If this has to do with a personal involvement, my feeling is that you're not going to get very far with improving it by labeling the person. IMHO.

Not to diminish what sounds like a significant problem.

Peace & joy--
Conrad

[Lenny]

To answer the question: no.
Sounds as if the folks are simply too immature for a "relationship" that they are "trying" to have.

[Braggi]

Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:


Sounds like symptoms of narcissism. Get out now.

-Jeff

[PeriodThree]

Misogyny is a pretty ugly word. Using it is sort of a neutron bomb of relationships. It pretty much destroys the relationship, while leaving the person using that word unscathed.

I think just about all relationships are two way. One partner may 'clearly' be in the wrong, but even in the most obviously abusive cases the other partner is bringing something ugly to the relationship.

With that said, it seems that even taking things from your point of view that we might consider the other side, 'is this misandry?' on your part.



Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:


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Claims that the female in the relationship is emasculating or makes statements that are designed to be emasculating
Accuses the female in the relationship of “pressuring” or “railroading” him into doing something that he doesn’t want to do, but does anyway
Exaggerates problems or issues that have to do with every day life so that they are a source of stress to the female if they are not fixed immediately to his satisfaction
Uncompressing and unbending on certain issues
Puts his own needs before that of the female so they are not even a consideration in making decisions
Anal about the organization of items in the house and the car or any other space he occupies
Does not take responsibility for birth control, forgets to prepare, or says that it dulls his sensation
Inconsiderate, for example does not take into consideration that the female may be tired, or inconvenienced by his actions

[Moon]

They're certainly typical of the way a misogynous man relates to a womon.
They could, on the other hand, be the way a man who's behind schedule in his
psycho-social development (i.e., a man who's "immature") relates to everyone,
and because he's het, a womon gets hit with some of the more dangerous
manifestations, e.g. carelessness about birth control. I'd want to compare his behavior
toward womyn with his behavior toward men, substituting "belittling" for "emasculating" with men.


Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:

Claims that the female in the relationship is emasculating or makes statements that are designed to be emasculating
Accuses the female in the relationship of “pressuring” or “railroading” him into doing something that he doesn’t want to do, but does anyway
Exaggerates problems or issues that have to do with every day life so that they are a source of stress to the female if they are not fixed immediately to his satisfaction
Uncompressing and unbending on certain issues
Puts his own needs before that of the female so they are not even a consideration in making decisions
Anal about the organization of items in the house and the car or any other space he occupies
Does not take responsibility for birth control, forgets to prepare, or says that it dulls his sensation
Inconsiderate, for example does not take into consideration that the female may be tired, or inconvenienced by his actions

[Lenny]

They're certainly typical of the way a misogynous man relates to a womon. They could, on the other hand, be the way a man who's behind schedule in his psycho-social development (i.e., a man who's "immature") relates to everyone, and because he's het, a womon gets hit with some of the more dangerous manifestations, e.g. carelessness about birth control. I'd want to compare his behavior toward womyn with his behavior toward men, substituting "belittling" for "emasculating" with men.

He could also be trying to "dump" her, no?
As for comparing his behavior difference between men and women, if he's a knucklehead to one, he's not going to be different with all the other genders, though his behavior could be slightly; immature is simply that.

[mykil]

Sounds like you are talking about me on any given day. Sometimes I really feel this way! Not that I hate woman or men or anything in general just sometimes the whole living situation sucks! And I am right about the things I say. Some women really are slobs and I can say pretty much everything you wrote when I get to my limits. I alwayz feel better in a few but wow! you hit me on the nail wiht the ole hammer now! LMAO!!!!!!
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[PeriodThree]

This post has bothered me since I read it. I tried to throw something out to get a discussion, and failed, so let me try with a little more 'ooomph' :-)

The guy is probably a jerk. Most people are. But this message, this attempt to draw some support that he is a misogynist just bugs me.

Consider what happens if you reverse the genders in these statements - it really seems like almost all of them fall into a puddle of sexual stereotypes when you flip the gender.



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Claims that the female in the relationship is emasculating or makes statements that are designed to be emasculating


How is this even remotely a potentially misogynistic claim? The guy is saying you are making emasculating statements. Either you are, or you are not. Which means either he is right, or he is wrong, or somewhere in between. He is saying you are making emasculating statements because he is _feeling_ something.

But neither seems like it comes from a hatred of women.

It _seems_ to me that his attempt to communicate like this 'hey, you are making statements that emasculate me, that take away my power' is the furthest thing from 'misogyny.'

Does he provide specific examples? Do you want to share those examples?

Some women _do_ make emasculating statements as a way to neutralize the power of their partner.



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Accuses the female in the relationship of “pressuring” or “railroading” him into doing something that he doesn’t want to do, but does anyway


Well...are you pressuring him? If we reversed the genders than most people would say that you were guilty of abusing him. Somehow his being male makes it okay for you to pressure and 'railroad' him?



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Exaggerates problems or issues that have to do with every day life so that they are a source of stress to the female if they are not fixed immediately to his satisfaction


Wait...WTF? He is bothered by something. You are specifically trivializing his concerns because they are a 'source of stress' to you?

Seriously: if we reverse the genders we would call your behavior emotional abuse. You are denying the validity of his experience. You don't have to agree with his opinions, but you have to acknowledge his experience.

And what do you mean 'they are a source of stress?' He has problems or issues with everyday life. Even if he does 'exaggerate' these problems how does that become 'a source of stress' to you?

It seems to me that _you_ have decided that it is not okay for him to have his own experience of reality without it being a source of stress to you and so you are engaged in what seems like a potentially abusive pattern of denying him the legitimacy of his feelings.








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Uncompressing and unbending on certain issues


And you are not? How is this misogyny? He has opinions. How do those opinions reflect a 'hatred of women?'

Charging someone with being a misogynist is a serious charge. At least in Sonoma County I would much rather that people thought I was a liar and a thief than a misogynist. And here you are wondering if having the strength of your convictions is a sign of misogyny?

ick!




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Puts his own needs before that of the female so they are not even a consideration in making decisions


Well this seems like a pretty deep bit of mind reading on your part. You have reported that he feels like he is pressured and 'railroaded' into doing things he doesn't want to do.

You feel that he puts his own needs ahead of your needs.

That is a difference of perception, not a 'hatred of women.'



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Anal about the organization of items in the house and the car or any other space he occupies


I could as easily read that as 'I am a slob, and he wants to keep things clean.'

How is that misogyny? You have accused this guy of something really extreme. A disagreement on how to organize the damned house doesn't seem like misogyny!




<o:p></o:p>Does not take responsibility for birth control, forgets to prepare, or says that it dulls his sensation


I think what you are saying is he doesn't buy condoms. Is that it? There are two of you. And two of you who don't want you to get pregnant. Unfortunately only one of you can get pregnant, and you are the one who has to deal with most of the consequences. That is biology, not misogyny. Tell him you are not doing penetrative sex without condoms, stick to it, and that is pretty much it.

I don't see how you could consider his _saying_ that it dulls his sensation is misogynistic. Condoms _do_ dull sensation, at least for a while. After enough precum builds up inside of the condom it is hard to tell if it dulls sensation - it is pretty easy to not realize that a condom has come off
later in the act. But yes, for a while sensation is definitely dulled.

But I am having strong reactions to your repeated claims that there is something misogynistic in him expressing his opinions.

How is it misogynistic to _say_ that condoms dull his sensation? It isn't. They dull sensation just as much if he is ass fucking another guy as if he is dipping into your sacred yonni. Where is the misogyny?

Why is it not okay for your guy to use words to express his opinions about his feelings?





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Inconsiderate, for example does not take into consideration that the female may be tired, or inconvenienced by his actions
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Relationships are complicated. I have no idea how your relationship is in any objective sense, but worst case, if he really doesn't take your feelings into consideration than he is inconsiderate, not misogynistic. None of your complaints are focused around gender. You could have written nearly the same things as the male partner, or as either a male or female part of a gay relationship.

There! At least I feel better for getting that out!

It could very well be that he is a jerk, or is immature, or whatever. But _your_ behavior seems as likely to be a problem here as his.

[Lorrie]

This is Misogyny:
Misogyny (pronounced mi-soj-uh-nee) is hatred (or contempt) of women.<SUP></SUP>Misogyny is parallel to misandry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry) — the hatred of men. Similar to a combination of misogyny and misandry, misanthropy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy) is the hatred of humanity generally. The antonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonym) of misogyny is philogyny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philogyny), love towards women. Marcus Tullius Cicero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero) reports that Greek philosophers considered misogyny to be caused by gynophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynophobia), a fear of women. Some feminists consider that misogyny both generates, and is propagated by, patriarchal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy) social structures.

Just in case there was anyone that didn't look it up or know already and was curious as to the exact meaning...like me!

:cloud9:~ Peace :hugs:~Love :rofl:~Joy
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~Lorrie

[decterlove]

Don't forget misandsoupia....hatred of soup, misandfritosia....hatred of chips,..misandamerocheesia....hatred of american cheese, misandlinonia...hatred of waiting on lines, misandmisosoupia....hatred of miso soup, misandredbusonia...hatred of red buses, ...misandpeenia....hatred of missing the rim, misandpoodilia.....hatred of small dogs and last but not least....misandmisandria.....hatred of hatred.

It's wrong to hate even if it's just stale chips and bad cheese.

sorry to lighten it up a bit....I just hate it when people take things so seriously................misandseriousia?

Leave one more for the guessing.....misandgwbushonia?


This is Misogyny:
Misogyny (pronounced mi-soj-uh-nee) is hatred (or contempt) of women.Misogyny is parallel to misandry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry) — the hatred of men. Similar to a combination of misogyny and misandry, misanthropy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy) is the hatred of humanity generally. The antonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonym) of misogyny is philogyny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philogyny), love towards women. Marcus Tullius Cicero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero) reports that Greek philosophers considered misogyny to be caused by gynophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynophobia), a fear of women. Some feminists consider that misogyny both generates, and is propagated by, patriarchal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy) social structures.

Just in case there was anyone that didn't look it up or know already and was curious as to the exact meaning...like me!

:cloud9:~ Peace :hugs:~Love :rofl:~Joy
*~~~~~~~~~~~~~Lorrie

[Braggi]

... The antonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonym) of misogyny is philogyny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philogyny), love towards women.

That's the one I like best. I must be a philogynist!

Funny how Firefox's spellchecker doesn't like the spelling of those words. The spellcheck editor doesn't love women, perhaps?

Well, it also flags spellcheck and spellchecker, so what do that editor know?

Thanks, Lorrie,

-Jeff

[Moon]

"As for comparing his behavior difference between men and women, if he's a knucklehead
to one, he's not going to be different with all the other genders, though his behavior
could be slightly; immature is simply that."

On the face of it, this seems to be a reasonable assumption; on the ground, however,
in real time, i think nearly all womyn know that most men's bearing toward womyn
and girls--in behavior, speech to and about, facial expressions, voice tonality, body
language and thus presumably thought and feeling--is strikingly different from that
toward men and boys. In my whole life, i've known one man who has worked so deeply
on his involuntarily-absorbed misogyny that if he talks about someone with a name like
Pat, Terry or Chris you can't tell whether the person's male or female. When i tell
womyn this, they say, "My gosh! Really? Who is this?" and, if heterosexual
and single, "What's his phone number?" (Sorry, sisters, he's strictly Kinsey 6.)
I'll bet if i told a man this, he'd say, "Oh. Yeah? You mean you can tell with other men?"
I think that difference is partly the training womyn have had from infancy in reading
non-verbal cues and partly the "naivety of privilege." Men don't notice how differently
other men appear to feel about females and males because it's not dangerous
to them not to notice. Any man who thinks he's overcome his misogyny, any white
person who thinks they've overcome their white supremacism, et al., would do well
to go toimplicit.harvard.edu (https://implicit.harvard.edu) and take the tests. Don't be discouraged at the results;
Malcolm Gladwell, in Blink, writes about someone who improved his score on
the tests by interspersing images of members of the targeted groups with pleasing
and admirable images.
I want, too, to modify the definition of misogyny; it's not hatred so much as such profound,
seamless contempt that hatred would be an improvement. Also, its target is not only
womyn but all female entities, including girls, goddesses, cows, sows and electrical
outlets!

[Lenny]

"As for comparing his behavior difference between men and women, if he's a knucklehead to one, he's not going to be different with all the other genders, though his behavior could be slightly; immature is simply that."


On the face of it, this seems to be a reasonable assumption; on the ground, however, in real time, i think nearly all womyn know that most men's bearing toward womyn and girls--in behavior, speech to and about, facial expressions, voice tonality, body language and thus presumably thought and feeling--is strikingly different from that
toward men and boys.

You expand well, as some women may want, on my word "slightly". However it is not just "all womyn" but males as well know there is a difference in behavior, and it is demanded by social standards, while trying to bring in other "new" behaviors. I read of a supervisor telling a female subordinate to "go do that" referencing a specific normal part of the daily task, but he was brought up to Human Resources on charges that he said it in a "rough tone without looking up from his reading charts".
It's a Brave New World we fear to live in, as males now, same as females before implimentation. Such a retrograde progress none need.



I think that difference is partly the training womyn have had from infancy in reading non-verbal cues and partly the "naivety of privilege." Men don't notice how differently other men appear to feel about females and males because it's not dangerous to them not to notice.

Well, not aside from the broad brush of sexist stereotyping, you may have a fair point there. I keep looking for differences in behavior among the crowd in this town, and find only intelligent people capable of seeing what you missed. But then that is found outside the bastions of West Sonoma. Either that, or men DO notice, but don't care, and the ones that do care about behavior of other males have to pick and choose their battles.
Had a friend that would JOKE disparagingly about his wife with "da guys". We were standing around when one guy slammed the joker into the wall and told him to quit talking smack about wives. It was a tender moment, when another fellow quipped, "you must be getting a divorce" where as the aggressor said "no, I just don't dig talking trash about wives". Awkward silence and we went back to shooting hoops. But none there forgot it. Years later the joker still jokes but is real sensitive about whose around. The other guys? I'll bet they remember it well too and give it a double think.
So I suppose men can be dangerous, just as women can be nasty.


I want, too, to modify the definition of misogyny; it's not hatred so much as such profound, seamless contempt that hatred would be an improvement. Also, its target is not only womyn but all female entities, including girls, goddesses, cows, sows and electrical outlets![/font]

I am glad you modified that definition, as my improved and refined hatred of women is not seamless, but rather has the bumps of ambivalence. Ask my wife of 28 years. And as for electrical outlets, I have to deal with my "white man magic" in its understanding. Ugh.

[Dark Shadows]

I get a newsletter in my inbox every day that tells me what I am doing wrong in my relationship. I'm beginning to think that the entire world is misogynous. Women are encouraged to be and do what they are not naturally designed to do-we're sensitive creatures that crave attention and care. We're instructed to pretend that we don't need all of that, that we should keep a man attracted by doing and saying certain things that don't come naturally. And all men have to do is sit there when they're actually drowning in their own testosterone. I'm really sick and tired of the entire male sex, we don't really need them anymore. We can clone ourselves and the best of the male sex and make a better human race. Just breed all the violence and negativity out. There would be less wars, bloodshed and human life would be valued, because women are designed to be nurturing. I'll probably be attacked for posting this and I may as well say goodbye to public life as I know it in the North Bay. I'm actually quite reclusive, so who the hell cares anyway. I'm really okay with my male friends, like you-but I choose my friends carefully, more carefully than I choose my mate I'm afraid. But my choice in that matter has a lot to do with my heart. I can't get over how irresponsible my heart is, to love a person who is such a deviation from what I consider the ideal friend. I guess that's the difference between a friend and a lover-you have different standards. You lower your standards in a love relationship because - I don't know why, just because. You love a person in spite of their faults, and even sometimes because of them. You want to mother them and make them feel okay about things, when maybe you are just enabling them. I'm afraid to read that book about enablers, because I'm clearly guilty. If I went to a group for enablers, I'd probably slit my wrists! It makes me hate myself for being heterosexual. If I was a lesbian, I'd have a much easier time, but I just can't force myself-I'm clearly straight, as an arrow.

I hear some people say that their mate is their best friend, and I think that's crazy. If you find someone who is so like yourself, it would be naricissistic. I want someone different than myself, the opposite in fact. I am very gentle, soft and feminine in my approach to things, that gentleness is simply not attractive to me in a mate. I wish it were, but its simply not. don't misunderstand me, I don't want a neanderthal, or a buffed up piece of beef-I like a male point of view, its more interesting to be with someone who sees things differently than you do. It broadens your perspective and allows you to learn. I'm always amazed when I think I've got something down and someone comes up with an entirely different slant, its humbling and so very attractive.

I think that our experience growing up in this case was vastly different. I'm a product of a conventional family, whereas the person I'm describing came from a single parent household. I was taught to be self-sufficient then practically booted out of the nest, so I crave attention and nurturing. He's probably used to all the attention and not very appreciative of the female differences (nurturing, gentleness tenderness) because that's all he had growing up, the male component was missing. I know this whole post sounds schizophrenic, and I'm trying to come to terms with all these conflicting feelings. Also, forgive me, I didn't mean to say that being a lesbian is easy, it would just be easier for me I think because another female would be more predictable. That predictability is what I think makes it unnattractive to me, easier yes, but something I desire-I don't think so.





Don't forget misandsoupia....hatred of soup, misandfritosia....hatred of chips,..misandamerocheesia....hatred of american cheese, misandlinonia...hatred of waiting on lines, misandmisosoupia....hatred of miso soup, misandredbusonia...hatred of red buses, ...misandpeenia....hatred of missing the rim, misandpoodilia.....hatred of small dogs and last but not least....misandmisandria.....hatred of hatred.

It's wrong to hate even if it's just stale chips and bad cheese.

sorry to lighten it up a bit....I just hate it when people take things so seriously................misandseriousia?

Leave one more for the guessing.....misandgwbushonia?

[Braggi]

I get a newsletter in my inbox every day that tells me what I am doing wrong in my relationship. I'm beginning to think that the entire world is misogynous. ...

I'm not sure what you were hoping for. You sound like a pretty terrific person. I imagine you can attract a mate that will please you. Good men are few and far between, I know that, but really fine women aren't all that common either. You sound like a good one. You deserve a good mate.

So, do you want to keep this guy or dump him? Were you hoping for relationship advice or encouragement to leave?

Help us out here.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

So, do you want to keep this guy or dump him? Were you hoping for relationship advice or encouragement to leave?

Help us out here.

-Jeff
Jeeezzus, Jeff (I mean paaaaaaaaaaagun Jeff.)
I thought you liked women? Don't you want to understand them?
All she wants to do is share her story, not get fixed or analyzed.

[PeriodThree]

I am sorry you are having such a hard time now. Sucks.


I get a newsletter in my inbox every day that tells me what I am doing wrong in my relationship. I'm beginning to think that the entire world is misogynous. Women are encouraged to be and do what they are not naturally designed to do-we're sensitive creatures that crave attention and care. We're instructed to pretend that we don't need all of that, that we should keep a man attracted by doing and saying certain things that don't come naturally. And all men have to do is sit there when they're actually drowning in their own testosterone. I'm really sick and tired of the entire male sex, we don't really need them anymore. We can clone ourselves and the best of the male sex and make a better human race. Just breed all the violence and negativity out. There would be less wars, bloodshed and human life would be valued, because women are designed to be nurturing. I'll probably be attacked for posting this and I may as well say goodbye to public life as I know it in the North Bay. I'm actually quite reclusive, so who the hell cares anyway. I'm really okay with my male friends, like you-but I choose my friends carefully, more carefully than I choose my mate I'm afraid. But my choice in that matter has a lot to do with my heart. I can't get over how irresponsible my heart is, to love a person who is such a deviation from what I consider the ideal friend. I guess that's the difference between a friend and a lover-you have different standards. You lower your standards in a love relationship because - I don't know why, just because. You love a person in spite of their faults, and even sometimes because of them. You want to mother them and make them feel okay about things, when maybe you are just enabling them. I'm afraid to read that book about enablers, because I'm clearly guilty. If I went to a group for enablers, I'd probably slit my wrists! It makes me hate myself for being heterosexual. If I was a lesbian, I'd have a much easier time, but I just can't force myself-I'm clearly straight, as an arrow.

I hear some people say that their mate is their best friend, and I think that's crazy. If you find someone who is so like yourself, it would be naricissistic. I want someone different than myself, the opposite in fact. I am very gentle, soft and feminine in my approach to things, that gentleness is simply not attractive to me in a mate. I wish it were, but its simply not. don't misunderstand me, I don't want a neanderthal, or a buffed up piece of beef-I like a male point of view, its more interesting to be with someone who sees things differently than you do. It broadens your perspective and allows you to learn. I'm always amazed when I think I've got something down and someone comes up with an entirely different slant, its humbling and so very attractive.

I think that our experience growing up in this case was vastly different. I'm a product of a conventional family, whereas the person I'm describing came from a single parent household. I was taught to be self-sufficient then practically booted out of the nest, so I crave attention and nurturing. He's probably used to all the attention and not very appreciative of the female differences (nurturing, gentleness tenderness) because that's all he had growing up, the male component was missing. I know this whole post sounds schizophrenic, and I'm trying to come to terms with all these conflicting feelings. Also, forgive me, I didn't mean to say that being a lesbian is easy, it would just be easier for me I think because another female would be more predictable. That predictability is what I think makes it unnattractive to me, easier yes, but something I desire-I don't think so.

[Braggi]

Jeeezzus, Jeff (I mean paaaaaaaaaaagun Jeff.)
I thought you liked women? Don't you want to understand them?
All she wants to do is share her story, not get fixed or analyzed.

She did ask questions in her original post.

To most of us handymen, that means get out the toolbox.

Stereotypical, I know.

-Jeff

[PeriodThree]

Last year at Burning man I started helping four people, a male-female couple, and a non-coupled male and female, work on something.

The coupled woman was having issues. She was saying things like 'I have skin cancer and I shouldn't be out in the sun.'

Her partner told her to go to the shade, and she refused, saying she wanted to help.

This went on for a bit. then the uncoupled female said that it was like in 'Men are from Mars and Woman are from Venus and sometimes women don't want solutions, they just want to be heard'

There was a bit more in the vein.

I told my 19 year old daughter, who was at Burning Man with me. She just laughed and laughed, said the woman was insane and that the guy should leave her. 'First, she is a whiner, and second, she's going to die.'

We named it 'Drama Camp' and laughed whenever we went by it.

She did ask questions in her original post.

To most of us handymen, that means get out the toolbox.

Stereotypical, I know.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

nononononooonono,Jeff
You don't whip out your tool when a woman is talking




To most of us handymen, that means get out the toolbox.

Stereotypical, I know.

-Jeff

[Lenny]

nononononooonono,Jeff
You don't whip out your tool when a woman is talking

But they rarely stop. And we got things to "do". And then they follow, but keep on talking. So what is a sexist pig to do?

[shellebelle]

Ahh I had a smart ass answer then rethought it. Maybe I'll still put it in at the bottom.

Kathy doesn't really want help if she did she'd change her vibration and her attitude about men.

But then so would a whole lot of women.

So boys want tools for that box? Add independent, self reliant, self aware, self dependent, appreciative and living in gratitude for the wonderful males and females around.

Remove from tool box the self depreciating women, those who tell jokes at mens expense (and worse believe them) and females who can't appreciate the beauty of the penis!

!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!~~!

:heart: Jeffie I've been trying to find out for months how to get that toolbox out, open and accessible! :heart: So I have this problem . . . I'm sure I need a tool . . . I already have the box . . .




She did ask questions in her original post.

To most of us handymen, that means get out the toolbox.

Stereotypical, I know.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

:heart: Jeffie I've been trying to find out for months how to get that toolbox out, open and accessible! :heart: So I have this problem . . . I'm sure I need a tool . . . I already have the box . . .
I'd jump on this one if I were you, Jeff :heart:

[mykil]

Hey Darth; I am sure more info is needed to decide what is what! I have read everyone’s separate posts and have decided you really have not put much more onto this conversation. I think we as a team may be able to decipher what is the true meaning of every aspect of your original post if you emphasize a little more and give examples of the statements you have made. I can see soo much that is simple to decipher, yet am hesitant to make any conclusions without a little further analogy from you. Like the never have the proper contraceptives means to me he really like blowjobs. Am I wrong? He is stingy in bed that is a given, but what about the rest of his life? Is he a stingy person in general? Where is all the anger coming from? I will tell you right now if you can get to the anger most problems will resolve themselves within hours… This in itself can be done in several wayz…:Yinyangv:


Am I wrong, or are these symptoms of misogyny:


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Claims that the female in the relationship is emasculating or makes statements that are designed to be emasculating
Accuses the female in the relationship of “pressuring” or “railroading” him into doing something that he doesn’t want to do, but does anyway
Exaggerates problems or issues that have to do with every day life so that they are a source of stress to the female if they are not fixed immediately to his satisfaction
Uncompressing and unbending on certain issues
Puts his own needs before that of the female so they are not even a consideration in making decisions
Anal about the organization of items in the house and the car or any other space he occupies
Does not take responsibility for birth control, forgets to prepare, or says that it dulls his sensation
Inconsiderate, for example does not take into consideration that the female may be tired, or inconvenienced by his actions

[mykil]

Oh and the whole lesbian thing ya, I have talked to hundreds of woman about this cause well hell I like to watch and this it itself turns me on. ALL have the same saying toward the subject. You have the same marital problems being a gay as straight. I have said it over and over WE ARE ALL PEOPLE. That is that! Saying being gay might be better just goes to show a shallower side of you a reflection of your anger showing through. If you are running form a whole species then you might be on the wrong track, men are the same as woman. Running from a relationship and saying it has to do with the opposite sex is like wanting to move to the moon cause you have allergies… You are angry yes? Learn to control your anger and then look at him with new eyes and you will see clearer what her really is. Doing so with anger in your eyes will only be a reflection of your true anger and you won't see the real thing. Look through someone else’s eyes if need be. Think of yourself as a neutral party, a third wheel if you will that is friends with both parties or not friends at all and see what they see. They are seeing both of you not just one...<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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[Leafstorm]

The Kathy I’ve come to know:
· In the corral with Bandit, confident and skilled and clearly respected by him.
· Allemanding and swinging your partner with merry abandon at a contra dance.
· Doing a highly skilled job – technical proposal writing – and doing it damn well.
· Whupping my ass in a game of Scrabble with casual effort.
· Educated, funny, strong, worldly, wise . . .
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I could list many more things I know about you that have impressed me, and I’m not sure why I want to, here. Maybe to tell you and others that that’s how I see you – as having many of the qualities that I admire in women and people in general.

Speaking for myself, I tend to see the world and other people in the same light that I see myself, to expect from other people what I expect from myself, and to receive from other people what I give myself.

I know, let's all go contra dancing this weekend - as an antidote to misogyny, misandry, and misanthropy.



[quote=Dark Shadows;63021]I get a newsletter in my inbox every day that tells me what I am doing wrong in my relationship. I'm beginning to think that the entire world is misogynous.