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Zeno Swijtink
05-10-2008, 07:42 AM
https://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0509/p02s01-usgn.html

Teen Use of Drug 'Salvia Divinorum,' as Seen on YouTube, Raises Alarms
Parents and state lawmakers ratchet up pressure to outlaw the hallucinogenic herb.
By Patrik Jonsson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the May 9, 2008 edition

ATLANTA - Concern about Salvia divinorum, a shamanistic herb from Mexico that some US teenagers are using to get a hallucinogenic high, not only is spurring parents to have heart-to-heart talks with kids, but also has led some states to outlaw it.

A concentrated leaf compound that's usually smoked in water pipes, Salvia divinorum – known as "Sally D" or "magic mint" on the streets – causes users to briefly lose their grip on reality. Some 3,500 video clips of teens experimenting with the drug have popped up on YouTube, driving up its popularity even as vendors, aware of efforts to ban it, are basically throwing going-out-of-business sales.

The highly concentrated compound made from a kind of mint plant remains legal in all but eight states, available in smoke shops and even gas station mini-marts. It can also be obtained via the Internet. Its easy availability and disorienting properties come as a surprise to parents and many lawmakers, who are asking why the US government has not yet outlawed its sale.

Yet salvia's unusual chemistry, nontoxicity, and potential research benefits have made the compound a cause célèbre among some researchers and spiritualists who say prohibition is the wrong tack for a substance whose effects are so uncomfortable that few people try it more than once or twice.

"Salvia has become an Internet phenomenon where, in talking to kids, their perception around it is, 'Well, it must not be that bad for you because it's legal,' and that's a real dangerous assumption to make," says Jonathan Appel, a criminal-justice professor at Tiffin University in Tiffin, Ohio, who has studied the salvia phenomenon. "The heavy-user group is late adolescents [and] early adults who are experimenting with substances, many of whom are attracted to ... a kind of distorted identity search, sometimes seeking the sacred in a culture where we may have lost some ability to see what is sacred."

The US Drug Enforcement Administration lists salvia as a "drug of concern" – the first step in classifying a drug as a controlled substance. But parents and state and local lawmakers, many showing YouTube clips in public hearings, are not waiting for Washington to move. Seven states now classify salvia as a controlled substance, banning its use and sale, and Maine prohibits minors from using it. Delaware banned it after it was linked, at least in part, to a teen's suicide in 2006. As many as a dozen others are considering similar legislation. Even a town, West Bridgewater, Mass., took the unusual step this year of banning it after parents became aware of its use locally.

Massachusetts lawmaker Vinny deMacedo first heard of salvia from a sheriff and couldn't quite believe his ears. "Once I saw [on YouTube] the effects of the drug, I realized it isn't just a small thing," says Representative deMacedo, who has introduced a bill to ban the compound in the Bay State. "All the young kids know about it and none of the parents know anything about it, so it's clearly becoming an epidemic of sorts insofar as kids are accessing it and talking about it frequently. By us doing nothing, we'd be sending the wrong message."

What makes Salvia divinorum dangerous, experts say, is the nature of the 15- to 30-minute "trip," during which users can lose awareness of their surroundings.

"Certainly, if you were driving a car [on salvia] that would be a bad thing, or if your son is out on a balcony and he didn't know where he was ... – stuff like this makes it a serious drug," says Bryan Roth, a pharmacologist at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, who in 2002 discovered how salvia interacts with the brain. "The one silver lining is that most people don't like it. They think it's legal marijuana and they find out that it's nothing like marijuana, and they don't ever want to do it again."

A 2006 survey by the US Department of Health and Human Services found that just under 2 percent of 18- to 25-year-olds reported using salvia in the past year – usage far behind that for marijuana and harder drugs.

Law enforcement officials say salvia, though legal in most states, is nonetheless a potentially dangerous drug. The first known arrest for salvia possession came last month in North Dakota, when police nabbed a middle-aged Bismarck man who had an interest in spiritual searching. The state banned salvia in August. If convicted, he faces up to five years in jail.

One Atlanta mother whose teenage son experimented with salvia said he told her that he had become a sofa and then a door. He didn't know what a jacket was, she said. By the time they arrived at the emergency room, the effects had disappeared. "It scared him and it scared me," she says.

The prohibition movement against salvia comes as university researchers are studying substances such as psilocybin for heightening spiritual awareness and Ecstasy for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder, with US Iraq war veterans taking part in one study.

Historically, salvia has been used by Oaxacan shamans as a backup drug when psilocybin mushrooms are not available for indigenous ceremonies. The concentrations available for smoking in the US, however, are much greater than those used traditionally in Mexico, where plant leaves are chewed or distilled into a tea.

Braggi
05-10-2008, 09:36 PM
... "The one silver lining is that most people don't like it. They think it's legal marijuana and they find out that it's nothing like marijuana, and they don't ever want to do it again."
...

Gods! This plant is such a non issue. Petunias are far more toxic and potentially disorienting. So is French or Scotch broom. Perhaps we should outlaw them and have cops pulling it all up so nobody can get high on it. For that matter, all those acacia trees along roads all over Sonoma County contain DMT in the bark and all should be removed. Perhaps we should confiscate the property of people who have petunias or French broom or acacia on it. Maybe we could pay off the State budget deficit this way.

Or maybe not. Every time another plant is outlawed another freedom is taken away and another block gets laid for the next prison. Don't we have enough people in prison?

-Jeff

thewholetruth
05-11-2008, 07:45 AM
Gods! This plant is such a non issue. Petunias are far more toxic and potentially disorienting. So is French or Scotch broom. Perhaps we should outlaw them and have cops pulling it all up so nobody can get high on it. For that matter, all those acacia trees along roads all over Sonoma County contain DMT in the bark and all should be removed. Perhaps we should confiscate the property of people who have petunias or French broom or acacia on it. Maybe we could pay off the State budget deficit this way.

Or maybe not. Every time another plant is outlawed another freedom is taken away and another block gets laid for the next prison. Don't we have enough people in prison?

-Jeff

The boy in the article thought he was a sofa, then a door, Jeff. I take you don't have children? Drugs like that are dangerous, and it is only by their being misused that someone with common sense needs to step up to protect fools and foolish children from themselves.

To answer your question: No, apparently not. People still haven't learned to do the right thing no matter what. Prisons are for those who are unwilling to comply with the rules a given society sets up. That's all that's about. No one is in prison who respects the rules of a given society. It's about choices, Jeff. So many people think they should be exceptions to the rules. That's why the prisons are full. It's called "entitlement".

Braggi
05-11-2008, 10:52 AM
The boy in the article thought he was a sofa, then a door, Jeff. ...

And now how about some intellectual honesty, Don? Within a few minutes the effects were over. The disorientation is temporary, very brief and it TEACHES A LESSON to the uninformed. Salvia Divinorum is one of the best plant teachers for those who would explore without first learning the best methods and the risks of a medicine. It safely teaches one should become informed BEFORE taking any drug. I have to imagine that the boy in question learned a valuable lesson that could save his life or the life of one of his friends down the road. Perhaps he will now become an expert on Sacred Medicines and teach his friends how to stay out of trouble with them. What a blessing this experience could turn out to be!


... I take you don't have children? ...

I do have a child, Don. A daughter. She's almost 11 and she's getting an excellent drug education here at home. She might try Salvia Divinorum some day, but she'll know what she's getting into before she tries it. At this point she's very uninterested in trying drugs of any kind and is suspicious of all drugs including over the counter and prescription. She even knows that vitamin supplements are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. I think that's healthy and I'm not trying to dissuade her from her cautious attitude.


... Drugs like that are dangerous, and it is only by their being misused that someone with common sense needs to step up to protect fools and foolish children from themselves. ...

Hopefully that boy is now less foolish. Perhaps experience is the only teacher that will ever reach him. There are a lot of people like that. Thankfully he chose a substance that safe and legal so you should have no trouble with it. He broke no law.


... Prisons are for those who are unwilling to comply with the rules a given society sets up. That's all that's about. No one is in prison who respects the rules of a given society. ...

Like in Hitler's Germany, those who turned in Jews to the authorities were safe while those who tried to protect Jews were themselves put in prison. Like in Mao's China where Christians practicing their faith were shot or put in prison. Yup! Those good old rules society sets up! We should all comply, right?

No Don, the answer is no. There are some rules that are made to be broken.

Don, I think you're actually a pretty smart guy based on how articulate you are in print. I'll guess you're a fine person to work with and I think I would probably like you as a coworker. But I do have to question your blind allegiance to authority. I'm not sure why you assume The Law is always correct in spite of a great amount of evidence to the contrary.

Some laws are just plain bad. Some really are worth breaking.

Outlawing Salvia Divinorum would be a crime against freedom and a crime against the natural world.

We do have too many people in prison and the Failed War on Some (unauthorized) Drugs is the main reason.

-Jeff