Videos of Iraqi violence

[Reportanddeport]

I don't yet have a favorite, but I found this series of reality vids with generally innacurate introductions.

Most people shirk away from reality, but I seek it out.
I think it's disgusting that the website presents these vids as entertainment for sickos. They are real life stuff that is very horrible, but presented as if it's cool stuff for stoned teenagers to giggle about.
WARNING: THIS IS EXTREMELY INTENSE, GRAPHIC, STRESSFUL AND FRIGHTENING.

https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3765
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4020
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3607
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V2419
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4215
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4133
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3948
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4105
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3963

[Barry]

So why did you look for it and why are you sharing it with us.


I don't yet have a favorite, but I found this series of reality vids with generally innacurate introductions.

Most people shirk away from reality, but I seek it out.
I think it's disgusting that the website presents these vids as entertainment for sickos. They are real life stuff that is very horrible, but presented as if it's cool stuff for stoned teenagers to giggle about.
WARNING: THIS IS EXTREMELY INTENSE, GRAPHIC, STRESSFUL AND FRIGHTENING.

https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3765
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4020
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3607
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V2419
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4215
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4133
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3948
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4105
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3963

[Reportanddeport]

I did not search for these vids, I only found them while link surfing. It's NEWS and information and documents that I seek out.

Because I think that after people see these vids, then maybe they'll appreciate the U.S.A. more.


So why did you look for it and why are you sharing it with us.

[Braggi]

I don't yet have a favorite, but I found this series of reality vids with generally innacurate introductions.

https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3765
...

I watched the first one. So, were the shooters "al Qaida" or were they Blackwater employees? Or are those one and the same?

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

If you want to stay ignorant, that is certainly your right, but the US is no better than those countries that you choose to expose.
As a matter of fact the US exports to those countries.
The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee.
Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture.


I did not search for these vids, I only found them while link surfing. It's NEWS and information and documents that I seek out.

Because I think that after people see these vids, then maybe they'll appreciate the U.S.A. more.

[Valley Oak]

Outstanding observation.

Encore!

Edward


...The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee. Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture.

[MsTerry]

Outstanding observation.

Encore!

Edward

Encore? OK!
We are no better than other countries, we still execute people for various reasons. Here and abroad.
Some of them innocent of any crime, some of them only suspected of crime.

[Reportanddeport]

They were ALL Blackwater employees, OF COURSE. All the killers were trained at Camp David, as ordered by Bush and personally supervised by Dick Cheney.
Here's a vid of Donald Rumsfeld in a hood, cutting off the tongues of Iraqis who objected to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3881


I watched the first one. So, were the shooters "al Qaida" or were they Blackwater employees? Or are those one and the same?

-Jeff

[Melodymama]

They were ALL Blackwater employees, OF COURSE. All the killers were trained at Camp David, as ordered by Bush and personally supervised by Dick Cheney.
Here's a vid of Donald Rumsfeld in a hood, cutting off the tongues of Iraqis who objected to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3881

I am wondering if this is how you de stress from the job that sounds impossible to successfully navigate? Is your loving wife sitting with you looking at this? There really is beauty in this world, right here, right now. Despite all the horror in the world, we can actually move in a more gentle and loving direction. It will not happen if we are fixated on drama, trauma, past difficulties, and fear. Watching that can become an addiction. Get out and watch the sun set in Sonoma County. Give yourself a break. Allow yourself some balance. You deserve to relax and enjoy life. Laura

[Reportanddeport]

The "destressing" process is a learned function that comes with experience. I have always had an intensely stressful life and it has shaped me.
Many of the things that lead to our deterioration but that can not be avoided lead to a change in the thinking, analyzation and interpretation processes within the mind. So what might be a problem for you is not necessarily a problem for me, because I have already climbed that hill.

If you ignore and allow evil in this world, you help it along. So I don't see what you accomplish by talking about "moving in a gentle and loving direction". Maybe if I didn't present the terrorists to you, then they wouldn't exist? Is that what you're saying?

If you are not concerned about threats to you, then you shouldn't even worry about what I post here or what videos I watch. But I find it very disturbing that you would quietly accept what happens in the videos, while simultaneously trying to change MY thinking and behavior. It seems to me that something is unbalanced in your mind.

What you call a "fixation on drama" is to me a fixation on REALITY.

My break will come, as we will be visiting The Philippines and then moving back to Hawaii at the end of this year.


I am wondering if this is how you de stress from the job that sounds impossible to successfully navigate? Is your loving wife sitting with you looking at this? There really is beauty in this world, right here, right now. Despite all the horror in the world, we can actually move in a more gentle and loving direction. It will not happen if we are fixated on drama, trauma, past difficulties, and fear. Watching that can become an addiction. Get out and watch the sun set in Sonoma County. Give yourself a break. Allow yourself some balance. You deserve to relax and enjoy life. Laura

[MsTerry]

What you call a "fixation on drama" is to me a fixation on REALITY.
.
What reality are you talking about?
Are you saying this is your daily life?
Or are you saying this is the only thing i want to see in life?

[Braggi]

One of the most disturbing aspects of the website those videos are posted on is the sex site advertisements surrounding the violent videos. What is the message here?

Get all worked up with bloody violence and then hook up with a virtual gal?

Pretty degrading all 'round.

-Jeff

[Barry]

R&D,

There is a lot of "reality" to tune into. Pretty much everything is available to tune into at anytime, from horrors to the sublime.

The Law of Attraction, which is largely accepted in this realm, states that whatever you give attention to grows.

When someone is poor, the trick is to be grateful for what they already have and to feel desire for what the want, not to feel resentment for what the don't have or in any way to focus on their poverty.

I notice that you give a lot of attention to violence and you seem to be surrounded by it: your work, in Novato and your videos, and to some extent even here.

Are you really helping quell the violence, or, inadvertently, becoming part of it and perpetuating it?

Over and out,
Barry

[Reportanddeport]

REALITY to ME is that which I see and hear for myself or see and hear through others and that seems to make sense. REALITY is less about my OPINION of something and more about what my eyes and ears tell me actually happened or exists.


What reality are you talking about?
Are you saying this is your daily life?
Or are you saying this is the only thing i want to see in life?

[Reportanddeport]

When I introduced the vids I said that the toxic website seemed to be intended for stoned teenagers to giggle at. I still think that's true. But I find sex and prostitution to be almost meaningless compared to murdering and torturing people. I wish there was a website that shows reality vids in a more tasteful way.


One of the most disturbing aspects of the website those videos are posted on is the sex site advertisements surrounding the violent videos. What is the message here?

Get all worked up with bloody violence and then hook up with a virtual gal?

Pretty degrading all 'round.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Do your eyes and ears turn on the computer or your opinion?


REALITY to ME is that which I see and hear for myself or see and hear through others and that seems to make sense. REALITY is less about my OPINION of something and more about what my eyes and ears tell me actually happened or exists.

[Reportanddeport]

I don't know anything about the "law of attraction".

Seeing these vids is not the same thing as going to a meeting of these killers where they brag about their evil deeds and try to convince you to join them and then they do more killing because they see that the killing got them attention.

The killers are not aware that wacco babies are watching them, but the wacco babies are aware of the killers. So it seems to me that your consciousness has grown because you watched the vids.

Focusing on someone else's slaughter is in no way feeling sorry for yourself.

It seems to me that if there is a problem, then ignoring it won't make it go away, but rather, paying attention to the problem is the first step in correcting the problem.

The last actual violence I participated in was when Jorge Barragan-Rosales and his friend attacked Bill Gifford and my wife and myself on August 16, 2006 in Fulton.
There has been no actual violence in Novato, though it's come very close to that.

But there's NOTHING WRONG with confrontation if it's done for the right reason and you're willing to get destroyed in the pursuit of justice.

Well, I don't start any fights, but when I'm attacked, I won't allow allow myself to be beaten.

If you can't tell the difference between a defender and an attacker, then you'll make a good victim. And then you'll be dead, and so will others, because you let the killer get away with it.




R&D,

There is a lot of "reality" to tune into. Pretty much everything is available to tune into at anytime, from horrors to the sublime.

The Law of Attraction, which is largely accepted in this realm, states that whatever you give attention to grows.

When someone is poor, the trick is to be grateful for what they already have and to feel desire for what the want, not to feel resentment for what the don't have or in any way to focus on their poverty.

I notice that you give a lot of attention to violence and you seem to be surrounded by it: your work, in Novato and your videos, and to some extent even here.

Are you really helping quell the violence, or, inadvertently, becoming part of it and perpetuating it?

Over and out,
Barry

[Braggi]

When I introduced the vids I said that the toxic website seemed to be intended for stoned teenagers to giggle at. ... I wish there was a website that shows reality vids in a more tasteful way.

Well, I realize websites have to pay for themselves and we do know what sells. It's just a weird cultural statement I've never been comfortable with that so many see sex and violence as intertwined.

I'm very pleased that the tantra and Pagan communities are attempting to resacralize sex in "Western" society. Hollywood hasn't done a very good job of it.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

But there's NOTHING WRONG with confrontation if it's done for the right reason and you're willing to get destroyed in the pursuit of justice.

.
you would make a perfect suicide bomber !
Your thinking comes straight out of Al Queda's handbook.

[alanora]

I did not and will not watch videos of humans torturing each other, if it is avoidable, as man's inhumanity to man is ugly and I do not wish to perpetuate or "grow" that aspect of my or universal consciousness.There are some movies that I would wish to have never seen because of scenes that have since reappeared on the mind screen and caused physical contraction vs. expansion. Giving something attention strengthens it, as does each internal review. My preference is to watch things that inspire feelings of compassion, awe or interest in me as internal reruns of such will create in me more of the peace and love I wish to be and encourage in the world. Why do you seem so unbelieving, even hateful, of my love, yet a fan of admittedly violent fare? Mindy


I don't yet have a favorite, but I found this series of reality vids with generally innacurate introductions.

Most people shirk away from reality, but I seek it out.
I think it's disgusting that the website presents these vids as entertainment for sickos. They are real life stuff that is very horrible, but presented as if it's cool stuff for stoned teenagers to giggle about.
WARNING: THIS IS EXTREMELY INTENSE, GRAPHIC, STRESSFUL AND FRIGHTENING.

https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3765
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4020
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3607
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V2419
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4215
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4133
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3948
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V4105
https://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V3963

[alanora]

Did you mean brava?!


Outstanding observation.

Encore!

Edward

[alanora]

Reality is very subjective. Attitude and perception are everything. Our senses, such as vision, are extremely limited, within certain frequencies only, or using process that includes such unreal aspects as your mind/eye completing images..etc. Optical illusion is so great and wide as to cause me less absolute reliance on visuals as the way to process information and arrive at truth. After all, a trip to the optometric measuring devices will prove that there is much out of our range........mindy


REALITY to ME is that which I see and hear for myself or see and hear through others and that seems to make sense. REALITY is less about my OPINION of something and more about what my eyes and ears tell me actually happened or exists.

[Melodymama]

Reality is very subjective. Attitude and perception are everything. Our senses, such as vision, are extremely limited, within certain frequencies only, or using process that includes such unreal aspects as your mind/eye completing images..etc. Optical illusion is so great and wide as to cause me less absolute reliance on visuals as the way to process information and arrive at truth. After all, a trip to the optometric measuring devices will prove that there is much out of our range........mindy

Yes, Mindy, this is true. Two people seeing the very same event will see it differently. This and the Law Of Attraction have been mentioned here, and R&D keeps explaining that he likes to keep up with reality. And he seems to keep looking at the same tiny piece of reality. So, maybe a Dr. Phil (and many old farmers, too) saying would be clearer.

If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've been getting.

[Reportanddeport]

Did I say ANYTHING about strapping on a bomb vest and blowing up innocent people??? Noooooo. I said that confrontation is OK if done for the right reason, such as DEFENDING innocents, NOT blowing them up. All protective service personnel risk their own lives so sick individuals can hate them for being confrontational.

You need to learn the difference between mindless and sick love of violence and constructive violence to save innocent life.


you would make a perfect suicide bomber !
Your thinking comes straight out of Al Queda's handbook.

[MsTerry]

constructive violence to save innocent life.

Yes, that is exactly what suicide bombers use their mission for.
An angry fanatic like you would fit right in.

But there's NOTHING WRONG with confrontation if it's done for the right reason and you're willing to get destroyed in the pursuit of justice.

This is what you said, did you want to change the wording now?
Did you notice the "willing to get destroyed" part.

[Reportanddeport]

If such vids frighten, offend or disgust you, then I can understand not wanting to watch them.
But merely becoming AWARE of something is not the same thing as CONTRIBUTING to it. Paying money or doing work is contributing.
It seems to me that anything you become aware of, whether you like what you just become aware of or not, is causing your consciousness to grow.
It seems to me that if you want to make the world a better place, then you need to be informed about what's going on.
It seems to me that you've created a construct within your mind to protect you from dealing with a reality that is painful to you,

I think you're taking this "paying attention to" idea too far. When doctors pay attention to disease, are they contributing to it? When detectives investigate a killer, are they contributing to killing? Would you be healthier if you never saw a doctor? Would you be safer if the police never tried to catch the killers?

You watch what you want to watch. I'm not forcing anything on you.

Unbelieving of your love? Because I don't know you. Because wolves come in sheep's clothing. Because a person who expresses love for a person he or she does not know is most likely lying and/or sick and/or confused.
I am not a "fan of violent fare". But I am aware of and conditioned to and reactive to a violent, hateful, scummy and phony world and I feel better about myself in confronting those who try to hurt others.


I did not and will not watch videos of humans torturing each other, if it is avoidable, as man's inhumanity to man is ugly and I do not wish to perpetuate or "grow" that aspect of my or universal consciousness.There are some movies that I would wish to have never seen because of scenes that have since reappeared on the mind screen and caused physical contraction vs. expansion. Giving something attention strengthens it, as does each internal review. My preference is to watch things that inspire feelings of compassion, awe or interest in me as internal reruns of such will create in me more of the peace and love I wish to be and encourage in the world. Why do you seem so unbelieving, even hateful, of my love, yet a fan of admittedly violent fare? Mindy

[Reportanddeport]

You can over-analyze ANYTHING. You can believe or disbelieve ANYTHING. But if you don't believe your own senses, then I hope you don't drive, operate machinery or use knives or guns. And maybe you REALLY WILL be better off with a foil hat on your head to protect you from the mind-influencing rays of the FBI satellite overhead. Not that there IS such a satellite, but merely the BELIEF of such a satellite and it's rays would allow you to feel safer with such a hat.
It's not that I'm about "hate", but I call it as I see it, and I see nonsense coming out of you.


Reality is very subjective. Attitude and perception are everything. Our senses, such as vision, are extremely limited, within certain frequencies only, or using process that includes such unreal aspects as your mind/eye completing images..etc. Optical illusion is so great and wide as to cause me less absolute reliance on visuals as the way to process information and arrive at truth. After all, a trip to the optometric measuring devices will prove that there is much out of our range........mindy

[Reportanddeport]

Your answers and questions seem most closely related to play number 2. You're doing what the anarchists and teenagers do, which is give eternal resistance, combined with a branching out of all all answers given, leading to an endless line of nonsensical questions. This is a typical Leftist tactic of trying to suck the power out of someone, instead of engaging them frontally.
https://home.pon.net/jeffandmaria/usdoj/libs.gif


Yes, that is exactly what suicide bombers use their mission for.
An angry fanatic like you would fit right in.

This is what you said, did you want to change the wording now?
Did you notice the "willing to get destroyed" part.

[MsTerry]

This is a typical Leftist tactic of trying to suck the power out of someone, instead of engaging them
Just what I thought. You are part of a group of organized Bimbaugh's.
Since you don't make much sense on your own, can I just talk to your leader? Is your furher allowed to think for himself?
Oh and by the way, didn;t Timothy McVeigh and his buddy, buy their wives overseas too? Aren't those women nice and obedient?
And just out of curiosity,do you have any videos of american hangings or lynchings?

[Reportanddeport]

Nope, not at all. I'm an independent Conservative. I've HAD IT with groupthink. And it's not that I'm part of an organization, it's that I have been paying attention to what goes on and trying to figure it out.
If you had any sense to make, you would have made it by now.

But you persist as you are because of a general law of politics that says, "If you have enough people on your side, then you don't have to make sense, tell the truth or obey the law".


Just what I thought. You are part of a group of organized Bimbaugh's.
Since you don't make much sense on your own, can I just talk to your leader? Is your furher allowed to think for himself?
Oh and by the way, didn;t Timothy McVeigh and his buddy, buy their wives overseas too? Aren't those women nice and obedient?
And just out of curiosity,do you have any videos of american hangings or lynchings?

[MsTerry]

Dear Jeff,
So far you haven't been able to produce coherent statements.
The only thing that was cohesive sofar, you copied from a neocon website.
Your anger , hostility and name-calling makes me fear for the safety of a vulnerable foreign female and anybody else in your vicinity
It is clear to me and others that you are in serious need of counseling..
If we can't convince you to seek help, I am afraid, someday, we will read about you and your victims in the paper


This nonsensical quote describes you best

"If you have enough people on your side, then you don't have to make sense, tell the truth or obey the law".

[Reportanddeport]

OK, very very good. You've got some classic, Communist themes going here. Good use of buzzwords like "safety" and "vulnerable".
But it's supposed to be worded something like, "Reportanddeport has offended me and now I feel unsafe".
I like the mention of "hostility" intertwined with "foreign" and "female" and "vulnerable". Depending on the audience, you might get results with whatever your political ambition are. You must be going to regular Commie meetings or you're a habitual shrink goer.

YEAH, "COUNSELING". I NEED TO GO TO A STATE-RUN MENTAL HOSPITAL, where I can be taught to, "think properly". And if I'm ever released, it will be to the re-education camp with continued "therapy".

OK, that's a good punch at the end. It's a bit overdramatic, but it might work with making your point with the Party members. I am "dangerous".

Sadly, I think there is a large audience of wacco babies that will willingly gobble up your excrement. But non-Party members or people who have not spent a lot of time with a shrink won't understand you.




Dear Jeff,
So far you haven't been able to produce coherent statements.
The only thing that was cohesive sofar, you copied from a neocon website.
Your anger , hostility and name-calling makes me fear for the safety of a vulnerable foreign female and anybody else in your vicinity
It is clear to me and others that you are in serious need of counseling..
If we can't convince you to seek help, I am afraid, someday, we will read about you and your victims in the paper


This nonsensical quote describes you best

[MsTerry]

Jeff,

I don't think you are dangerous at all.
I think you are hilarious



I am "dangerous".

[MsTerry]

OK, very very good.
You've got some classic, Communist themes going here.
Good use of buzzwords like "safety" and "vulnerable".

But it's supposed to be worded something like, "Reportanddeport has offended me and now I feel unsafe".
I like the mention of "hostility" intertwined with "foreign" and "female" and "vulnerable".
Depending on the audience, you might get results with whatever your political ambition are.
You must be going to regular Commie meetings or you're a habitual shrink goer.

YEAH, "COUNSELING". I NEED TO GO TO A STATE-RUN MENTAL HOSPITAL, where I can be taught to, "think properly".
And if I'm ever released, it will be to the re-education camp with continued "therapy".

OK, that's a good punch at the end. It's a bit overdramatic, but it might work with making your point with the Party members.
I am "dangerous".

Sadly, I think there is a large audience of wacco babies
that will willingly gobble up your excrement.
But non-Party members
or people who have not spent a lot of time with a shrink won't understand you.

I broke down your post in all the little pieces of bait you are dangling in front of people. FIFTEEN!!!
that is pretty good, but I think you can do better than that.
I think you could make the world a better place instead of a bitter place.

[alanora]

Jeff
I wonder if you are a product of our military. mindy
Jeff,

I don't think you are dangerous at all.
I think you are hilarious[/quote]

[Reportanddeport]

I was in the Army.
But if you are against the Military, you must remember that everything the Military does is funded and ordered by the Government. All the guns, bombs, shooting and killing are orchestrated by the Government, at least in our U.S. that is.


Jeff
I wonder if you are a product of our military. mindy
Jeff,

I don't think you are dangerous at all.
I think you are hilarious[/quote]

[meherc]

Could you guys move this to waccotalk? I'm finding it v mean spirited and it's offending my delicate sensibilities. :wink: I try to ignore this thread but there's so MUCH of it...


OK, very very good. You've got some classic, Communist themes going here. Good use of buzzwords like "safety" and "vulnerable".
But it's supposed to be worded something like, "Reportanddeport has offended me and now I feel unsafe".
I like the mention of "hostility" intertwined with "foreign" and "female" and "vulnerable". Depending on the audience, you might get results with whatever your political ambition are. You must be going to regular Commie meetings or you're a habitual shrink goer.

YEAH, "COUNSELING". I NEED TO GO TO A STATE-RUN MENTAL HOSPITAL, where I can be taught to, "think properly". And if I'm ever released, it will be to the re-education camp with continued "therapy".

OK, that's a good punch at the end. It's a bit overdramatic, but it might work with making your point with the Party members. I am "dangerous".

Sadly, I think there is a large audience of wacco babies that will willingly gobble up your excrement. But non-Party members or people who have not spent a lot of time with a shrink won't understand you.

[Reportanddeport]

It IS in waccotalk. And your whining REEEEEEEEEEEALY makes me angry! :yossam:Yes, I AM mean-spirited......and CRAZY........and VIOLENT.......especially around vulnerable, obediant, immigrant women.


Could you guys move this to waccotalk? I'm finding it v mean spirited and it's offending my delicate sensibilities. :wink: I try to ignore this thread but there's so MUCH of it...

[Valley Oak]

Tell me true, Terry. Did I make a mistake in putting our 'friend' on the ignore list?

Edward


I broke down your post in all the little pieces of bait you are dangling in front of people. FIFTEEN!!!
that is pretty good, but I think you can do better than that.
I think you could make the world a better place instead of a bitter place.

[MsTerry]

Yes, Edward!
Why would you want to miss out on all the fun?
It is good to see what someone is and what he can become.


Tell me true, Terry. Did I make a mistake in putting our 'friend' on the ignore list?

Edward

[Valley Oak]

But I can't handle the nausea. Trying to communicate with someone like this is like being on chemo. I would have to get one of those prescriptions and smoke and eat a pound of pot per week. Very expensive and not worth the investment. The returns are way to low.

Edward


Yes, Edward!
Why would you want to miss out on all the fun?
It is good to see what someone is and what he can become.

[MsTerry]

Nonononoonno.
This is like the emperor with no clothes story.
He is so transparent that he is the only one who can't see it.
It is a good opportunity to test your analytical skills


But I can't handle the nausea. Trying to communicate with someone like this is like being on chemo. I would have to get one of those prescriptions and smoke and eat a pound of pot per week. Very expensive and not worth the investment. The returns are way to low.

Edward

[alanora]

I am saddened to learn of your army history. I know that entity is the best at mindwashing and installing a tendency toward needless violence that is hard to disengage from when no longer appropriate in civilian life. I realize that it is our gvt ....the bush is the commander in chief and we are responsible.


I was in the Army.
But if you are against the Military, you must remember that everything the Military does is funded and ordered by the Government. All the guns, bombs, shooting and killing are orchestrated by the Government, at least in our U.S. that is.

[/quote]

[Melodymama]

Reportanddeport wrote: And your whining REEEEEEEEEEEALY makes me angry! :yossam:Yes, I AM mean-spirited......and CRAZY........and VIOLENT.......especially around vulnerable, obediant, immigrant women.[/quote]

I was quite moved by your sharing of the story of getting your wife here. Several years have passed and you still seem focused on this anger. This type of post is disturbing to me. I am wondering how you direct your anger and if there are any new ways you are finding to use your time that could offer you a bit more release. How is this affecting your relationship with your wife? There is a strong part of you that wants us to know you and when you strut your anger I wonder if you want to push us away or make us angry at you, or get some understanding of how difficult your life was and still is? Help me understand you better by describing or identifying the pleasant things you enjoy. I understand if this is too personal, so maybe you could just say whether or not any part of your life is free of the strong frustration. Laura

[Valley Oak]

I wonder if R&D has ever beaten his wife. If so, there are lots of programs out there that can help him and his spouse, such as anger management, marriage counseling, and many others.

Edward

[Melodymama]

Valley Oak; "I wonder if R&D has ever beaten his wife. If so, there are lots of programs out there that can help him and his spouse, such as anger management, marriage counseling, and many others."

Yes, Edward, I wonder too. Usually, the abuse is not intended and is hard to admit because is it confusing and embarrassing. With such a history of having to battle with authority (Govt.) and in the military having to support the same govt. by engaging in violent behavior, it would be hard to know how to contain all that in a normal, yet still frustrating world. In order for R&D to feel like the world could be a better place, he would have to learn a new set a coping skills and possibly job skills. I think he is smart enough to do this, and I hope he will ask for assistance with one of the good programs out there. Just my simple thinking. Laura

[MsTerry]

I agree MM,
We should not forget that young people going into the military are brainwashed into thinking that violence is the only option to solve conflict. It can take alot of years to undo the harm from this kind of mindset. R&D has shown enough persistence to be able to make a difference in his life.


Valley Oak; "I wonder if R&D has ever beaten his wife. If so, there are lots of programs out there that can help him and his spouse, such as anger management, marriage counseling, and many others."

Yes, Edward, I wonder too. Usually, the abuse is not intended and is hard to admit because is it confusing and embarrassing. With such a history of having to battle with authority (Govt.) and in the military having to support the same govt. by engaging in violent behavior, it would be hard to know how to contain all that in a normal, yet still frustrating world. In order for R&D to feel like the world could be a better place, he would have to learn a new set a coping skills and possibly job skills. I think he is smart enough to do this, and I hope he will ask for assistance with one of the good programs out there. Just my simple thinking. Laura

[Valley Oak]

R&D, at the very least, has demonstrated that he is a misogynist, through the choice of his own words, below. Tragic and typical of the violent, conservative mindset. He may not realize this but he has exposed himself in this post and, in an important way, is crying out for help. He just doesn't know the best way to go about it so he comes here to get a clue.

Edward


And your whining REEEEEEEEEEEALY makes me angry! :yossam:Yes, I AM mean-spirited......and CRAZY........and VIOLENT.......especially around vulnerable, obediant, immigrant women.

[MsTerry]

So, are we going to help or hinder him?


R&D, at the very least, has demonstrated that he is a misogynist, through the choice of his own words, below. Tragic and typical of the violent, conservative mindset. He may not realize this but he has exposed himself in this post and, in an important way, is crying out for help. He just doesn't know the best way to go about it so he comes here to get a clue.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

How do you propose helping someone who doesn't want to be helped? He already said so in one of his previous posts.

Edward


So, are we going to help or hinder him?

[MsTerry]

Haven't you been there yourself?
Just be all you can be, and he will follow.


How do you propose helping someone who doesn't want to be helped? He already said so in one of his previous posts.

Edward

[Barry]

This in WaccoTalk. You may be thinking of the old WaccTalk Yahoogroup.

What you can do, though, is UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS THREAD. I have. Just click on the https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/orangebuttons/UnsubscribeFromThread.jpg (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/subscription.php?do=excludesubscription&t=34479) button in your individual email or digest.

See How to change your subscription for a thread (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3597) and How can I ingore posts from a user? (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19804)



Could you guys move this to waccotalk? I'm finding it v mean spirited and it's offending my delicate sensibilities. :wink: I try to ignore this thread but there's so MUCH of it...

[Reportanddeport]

Don't worry about it. Life moves on.
The Military is no more about brainwashing than your psychotherapy sessions are.
Needless violence is what Al Qaeda is about. Needless violence is what goes on daily in Oakland and Richmond.




I am saddened to learn of your army history. I know that entity is the best at mindwashing and installing a tendency toward needless violence that is hard to disengage from when no longer appropriate in civilian life. I realize that it is our gvt ....the bush is the commander in chief and we are responsible.

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[Reportanddeport]

YEAH, ANGERRRRRRR. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! So my posts disturb you, huh? Are you THAT MUCH of a boob? My wife? You're worried about my wife? Don't worry, she has medical insurance.

STRUT MY ANGER??? STRUT MY ANGER???? DO YOU KNOW HOW PISSED OFF THOSE COMMENTS MAKE ME?

I don't need you to know me, but I want to help you grow your mind. There is SO MUCH MORE to life than hating your own country and smoking dope and calling anyone who disagrees with you a "racist", "hater", "angry" and all that other idiotic psychobabble so many of you spew.

It's because I'm so patient and analytical that I engage you, it's got nothing to do with "anger".

I suggest you develop a spine and a sense of humor. The spine will help you to deal with your PERCEIVED anger and the sense of humor will help make you happy.




Reportanddeport wrote: And your whining REEEEEEEEEEEALY makes me angry! :yossam:Yes, I AM mean-spirited......and CRAZY........and VIOLENT.......especially around vulnerable, obediant, immigrant women.

I was quite moved by your sharing of the story of getting your wife here. Several years have passed and you still seem focused on this anger. This type of post is disturbing to me. I am wondering how you direct your anger and if there are any new ways you are finding to use your time that could offer you a bit more release. How is this affecting your relationship with your wife? There is a strong part of you that wants us to know you and when you strut your anger I wonder if you want to push us away or make us angry at you, or get some understanding of how difficult your life was and still is? Help me understand you better by describing or identifying the pleasant things you enjoy. I understand if this is too personal, so maybe you could just say whether or not any part of your life is free of the strong frustration. Laura[/quote]

[Reportanddeport]

WHERRRRE do you people come up with this nonsense?


I wonder if R&D has ever beaten his wife. If so, there are lots of programs out there that can help him and his spouse, such as anger management, marriage counseling, and many others.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

Terry, even the moderator has grown tired of this silly thread. And R&D has posted three messages just today and I can only guess they are stridently negative and sarcastic. But please don't tell me what R&D said, I sincerely do not want to know. Why don't you just unsubscribe and save your time and energy. I'm sure the world would benefit more if you read a good book or spent more time on the other threads. Your call. I've made mine.

Edward



Haven't you been there yourself?
Just be all you can be, and he will follow.

[Braggi]

Don't worry about it. Life moves on.
The Military is no more about brainwashing than your psychotherapy sessions are.


You know Jeff, I don't think you have any idea what psychotherapy is even for. Never mind. If you are hurting bad enough at some point in your life, you might be open to finding out about it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not that great of a fan of therapy for myself even though I'm married to a therapist. It's just that you don't seem to know what you're talking about. It does help a lot of people.

In any case, I'm not worried about you or your wife.

You other Waccos, don't you get it that he's joking with you?

Oh well, some of you do.

-Jeff

[thewholetruth]

"The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee. Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture."

Any proof of that allegation, MsTerry?

Just curious. You know how people make things up. Then someone else thinks it works for them, supports their political agenda (i.e. bashes people of different beliefs), and parrots it as if it were fact.

Don


If you want to stay ignorant, that is certainly your right, but the US is no better than those countries that you choose to expose.
As a matter of fact the US exports to those countries.
The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee.
Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture.

[thewholetruth]

I believe he's referring to aCtUaL Reality, MsTerry, not the "my truth/your truth" kind of reality where you just make stuff up and pretend it's true. He's referring to the fact that THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING TODAY, which is what makes it "Reality".

I know, I know. Some of what I just said probably doesn't make any sense to some readers. Perhaps a nice Oolong tea is in order? Me love Oolong time, yo. :wink:

Don


What reality are you talking about?
Are you saying this is your daily life?
Or are you saying this is the only thing i want to see in life?

[thewholetruth]

"Reality is very subjective."

WhAaT?!? That is an interesting, albeit untrue, comment. OPINIONS are subjective. Reality refers to what is REAL, Alanora, not what what is perceived.

"Attitude and perception are everything."

Where do you get this stuff? LOL Attitude and perception are human foibles, subjective and subject to anything including the way the wind blows, having little or nothing to do with reality, necessarily. In fact, to the contrary: Attitude and perception COLOR and DISTORT reality.

Reality is called "Reality" because it refers to what is real...not what is perceived.

Don


Reality is very subjective. Attitude and perception are everything. Our senses, such as vision, are extremely limited, within certain frequencies only, or using process that includes such unreal aspects as your mind/eye completing images..etc. Optical illusion is so great and wide as to cause me less absolute reliance on visuals as the way to process information and arrive at truth. After all, a trip to the optometric measuring devices will prove that there is much out of our range........mindy

[Melodymama]

Braggi wrote:
You other Waccos, don't you get it that he's joking with you?


I have recognized that this ranting and raving he does might be a joke to him. When it veers into threats and demeaning comments about vulnerable women and potential violence, I listen more carefully. I hope he is joking, although, who would spend their time doing something so stupid? The fact is, some people do have problems like this, and I got hooked on wanting to open a window, shed some light. Since I am no longer home with a virus, I think I will back off again. I do have a life that needs attention and my own mental health to maintain. Humor is my best medicine, so I will turn this channel off now, knowing I offered to listen and converse. Leading a balking horse or Donkey to water is not an experience I need to repeat. Laura

[alanora]

Jeff,your response seemed generous and kind to me and I appreciate that. Could it be that all violence is needless, as it begets more violence, and the goal is peace? mindy


Don't worry about it. Life moves on.
The Military is no more about brainwashing than your psychotherapy sessions are.
Needless violence is what Al Qaeda is about. Needless violence is what goes on daily in Oakland and Richmond.



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[Braggi]

Braggi wrote:
You other Waccos, don't you get it that he's joking with you?


I have recognized that this ranting and raving he does might be a joke to him. When it veers into threats and demeaning comments about vulnerable women and potential violence, I listen more carefully. ...

He was responding to baiting by Ms. Terry and meherc's comment about moving the thread. They set it up for him. He just provided what they were asking for.

He put a cartoon of Yosemite Sam waving his guns around in the post to emphasize that it's a joke. Funny, ha ha.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

here it is for your education, Don
https://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1672386,00.html

https://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cia_sends_suspects_abroad_interrogation.htm

https://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cia_sends_suspects_abroad_interrogation.htm

https://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/06/cia.interrogation/

https://english.people.com.cn/200503/07/eng20050307_175896.html


"The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee. Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture."

Any proof of that allegation, MsTerry?

Just curious. You know how people make things up. Then someone else thinks it works for them, supports their political agenda (i.e. bashes people of different beliefs), and parrots it as if it were fact.

Don

[MsTerry]

His reality is very subjective, Don
It is also a reality that the USA executes people.
Can you provide us some links to that show?



I believe he's referring to aCtUaL Reality, MsTerry, not the "my truth/your truth" kind of reality where you just make stuff up and pretend it's true. He's referring to the fact that THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING TODAY, which is what makes it "Reality".

I know, I know. Some of what I just said probably doesn't make any sense to some readers. Perhaps a nice Oolong tea is in order? Me love Oolong time, yo. :wink:

Don

[Reportanddeport]

Very good. :thumbsup: No more jumping to conclusions about "anger" and no more labeling as a "hater". And an understanding of having a sense of humor is very good also. :wink:

Sure, psychotherapy might be good for those who need it. And well, self-help is good too. Self-help like, TURNING OFF THE WORRIES. It takes practice, but it can be done.






You know Jeff, I don't think you have any idea what psychotherapy is even for. Never mind. If you are hurting bad enough at some point in your life, you might be open to finding out about it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not that great of a fan of therapy for myself even though I'm married to a therapist. It's just that you don't seem to know what you're talking about. It does help a lot of people.

In any case, I'm not worried about you or your wife.

You other Waccos, don't you get it that he's joking with you?

Oh well, some of you do.

-Jeff

[Reportanddeport]

Yes, I noticed this disgusting post several days ago. But I just don't know how to respond to such utter garbage, nor reach the mind of the person who sent it, so I ignored it. But thanks for bringing it up.


"The US exports LIVING HUMAN BEINGS to those countries to be tortured for a fee. Because they will torture people for us, so we can say we don't torture."

Any proof of that allegation, MsTerry?

Just curious. You know how people make things up. Then someone else thinks it works for them, supports their political agenda (i.e. bashes people of different beliefs), and parrots it as if it were fact.

Don

[Reportanddeport]

You're not in a positition to lead anyone anywhere anyway, because you're hypersenstive, overly-frightened, hateful, and you ignore context.



Braggi wrote:
You other Waccos, don't you get it that he's joking with you?


I have recognized that this ranting and raving he does might be a joke to him. When it veers into threats and demeaning comments about vulnerable women and potential violence, I listen more carefully. I hope he is joking, although, who would spend their time doing something so stupid? The fact is, some people do have problems like this, and I got hooked on wanting to open a window, shed some light. Since I am no longer home with a virus, I think I will back off again. I do have a life that needs attention and my own mental health to maintain. Humor is my best medicine, so I will turn this channel off now, knowing I offered to listen and converse. Leading a balking horse or Donkey to water is not an experience I need to repeat. Laura

[Reportanddeport]

It depends on what you mean by "violence".

Now, violence like what you see in the videos at the top of this thread is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

But are you saying that when a child molester grabs your daughter and tries to put her in his car, then you're just going to negotiate or something? If yes, then you're SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT.

People who allow violence because they think ALL violence is unnecessary are ENABLERS of violence. Those who disarm and disable the defenders are EVERY BIT AS GUILTY AS THE ATTACKERS.



Jeff,your response seemed generous and kind to me and I appreciate that. Could it be that all violence is needless, as it begets more violence, and the goal is peace? mindy

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[thewholetruth]

2 things:

1.) I asked for proof, and you give me GOSSIP?!? There are nothing but allegations and accusations on those links, MsTerry, which is the equivalent of gossip. No proof, no evidence, nothing but pure speculation and accusation.

2.) Your supposed news sources are questionable, and are not reliable. news24.com appears to be a bunch of Jews running a site in South Africa. People's Daily Online doesn't even have a working "About Us" link, another Leftist website. HellOOoo. And Infowars.com is a Leftist extremist website, not by any stretch of the imagination a source for "proof" of anything. The only legitimate source of info you have is CNN and the article CNN provides is, as I pointed out, nothing but pure speculation and accusation.

Is that really your idea of "proof", MsTerry? It's novel notions and gossip, at best. Nothing more.

Don


here it is for your education, Don
https://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1672386,00.html

https://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cia_sends_suspects_abroad_interrogation.htm

https://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cia_sends_suspects_abroad_interrogation.htm

https://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/06/cia.interrogation/

https://english.people.com.cn/200503/07/eng20050307_175896.html

[Braggi]

...
Is that really your idea of "proof", MsTerry? It's novel notions and gossip, at best. Nothing more. ...


Try these:
https://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html

Specifically on "extraordinary rendition":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHWnZt66qBw

https://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact6

https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/

You guys should really get out more and use news sources other than Fox. How could you possibly not know about this greatest shame in the history of the US? It's been on the front pages of world news for years.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

Oops, meant to include this:

https://www.counterpunch.org/stephens05132005.html

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

And what is going to suffice as proof for you Don?
I'll give you some more links with firsthand knowledge of those places, but maybe we should send you off to one of those rendition places, would that suffice as proof?
https://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/08/10/torture-documents-released/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/19/AR2006091901547_pf.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42072-2005Mar16?language=printer

I know it is an uphill battle with you, but tell me why would the US send terror-suspects to another country? Can you think of ANY good reason besides torture?






2 things:

1.) I asked for proof, and you give me GOSSIP?!? There are nothing but allegations and accusations on those links, MsTerry, which is the equivalent of gossip. No proof, no evidence, nothing but pure speculation and accusation.

2.) Your supposed news sources are questionable, and are not reliable. news24.com appears to be a bunch of Jews running a site in South Africa. People's Daily Online doesn't even have a working "About Us" link, another Leftist website. HellOOoo. And Infowars.com is a Leftist extremist website, not by any stretch of the imagination a source for "proof" of anything. The only legitimate source of info you have is CNN and the article CNN provides is, as I pointed out, nothing but pure speculation and accusation.

Is that really your idea of "proof", MsTerry? It's novel notions and gossip, at best. Nothing more.

Don

[alanora]

Interesting that you found degradation necessary, violence actually, to make a decent point. You are correct in your estimation that I would respond to a threat to my child as a mama bear in the wild would. I acknowledge that in such an instance my violent response might be quicker than my ability to rationalize my peace preference into the equation......so, I am assuming that you really meant hypocritical, rather than "piece of shit", which has so many meanings! I like to believe that I have gotten past the animalistic base response of defense at all costs, and choose not to be in a position to enforce others, as surely this would run counter to the "begin with me" peace plan. I like to think I would just avoid the ego plane as much as possible, defuse what I can, and be quick to understand, or lend a hand, move on and take care of doing what is needed to take care of myself. For me violence includes thoughts of such and I avoid those energy sappers and water murkers as antiproductive ....actually, I don't have the energy or interest. I consider your language abusive and will no longer attempt to understand you and will move on. Respectfully.


It depends on what you mean by "violence".

Now, violence like what you see in the videos at the top of this thread is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.

But are you saying that when a child molester grabs your daughter and tries to put her in his car, then you're just going to negotiate or something? If yes, then you're SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT.

People who allow violence because they think ALL violence is unnecessary are ENABLERS of violence. Those who disarm and disable the defenders are EVERY BIT AS GUILTY AS THE ATTACKERS.


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[Valley Oak]

Alanora, I have R&D on my ignore list and I have been able to read his 'post' only because it is embedded in yours.

R&D's post is clearly in violation of Wacco rules and I don't understand how he can get away with it when I have been reprimanded so many times for stepping out of line or even simply posting provocative messages.

R&D does not have a right to verbally abuse you or anyone in the way that he has. So my point here is not that you put this individual on your ignore list, as I have, but that the moderators need to do their job.

Edward


Interesting that you found degradation necessary, violence actually, to make a decent point. You are correct in your estimation that I would respond to a threat to my child as a mama bear in the wild would. I acknowledge that in such an instance my violent response might be quicker than my ability to rationalize my peace preference into the equation......so, I am assuming that you really meant hypocritical, rather than "piece of shit", which has so many meanings! I like to believe that I have gotten past the animalistic base response of defense at all costs, and choose not to be in a position to enforce others, as surely this would run counter to the "begin with me" peace plan. I like to think I would just avoid the ego plane as much as possible, defuse what I can, and be quick to understand, or lend a hand, move on and take care of doing what is needed to take care of myself. For me violence includes thoughts of such and I avoid those energy sappers and water murkers as antiproductive ....actually, I don't have the energy or interest. I consider your language abusive and will no longer attempt to understand you and will move on. Respectfully.

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[Clancy]

I don't have to watch war porn to know I'm against killing, just like I don't need to watch child porn to know I'm against child abuse.



If you ignore and allow evil in this world, you help it along. So I don't see what you accomplish by talking about "moving in a gentle and loving direction". Maybe if I didn't present the terrorists to you, then they wouldn't exist? Is that what you're saying?

If you are not concerned about threats to you, then you shouldn't even worry about what I post here or what videos I watch. But I find it very disturbing that you would quietly accept what happens in the videos, while simultaneously trying to change MY thinking and behavior. It seems to me that something is unbalanced in your mind.

What you call a "fixation on drama" is to me a fixation on REALITY.

[Reportanddeport]

"Degradation" and "violence"? Huhhhh? You say I'm making a good point and that you WOULD use violence in defending your child, but I guess the urge to turn around and bite me while you agree with me just is too strong to resist.

When I said, "piece of shit", I meant that any mother who would NOT use violence if necessary to save her child is useless, worthless, uncaring and unloving. You know, like a worthless turd.

"I like to believe that I have gotten past the animalistic base response of defense at all costs, and choose not to be in a position to enforce others, as surely this would run counter to the "begin with me" peace plan."

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. That sounds like those things the beauty pageant contestants say when they're giving a speech to the audience.

YES, YES, I'm "abusive". You forgot to add "violent" and "hateful".
OK, bye.:wink:



Interesting that you found degradation necessary, violence actually, to make a decent point. You are correct in your estimation that I would respond to a threat to my child as a mama bear in the wild would. I acknowledge that in such an instance my violent response might be quicker than my ability to rationalize my peace preference into the equation......so, I am assuming that you really meant hypocritical, rather than "piece of shit", which has so many meanings! I like to believe that I have gotten past the animalistic base response of defense at all costs, and choose not to be in a position to enforce others, as surely this would run counter to the "begin with me" peace plan. I like to think I would just avoid the ego plane as much as possible, defuse what I can, and be quick to understand, or lend a hand, move on and take care of doing what is needed to take care of myself. For me violence includes thoughts of such and I avoid those energy sappers and water murkers as antiproductive ....actually, I don't have the energy or interest. I consider your language abusive and will no longer attempt to understand you and will move on. Respectfully.

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[Reportanddeport]

"War porn"? I never heard that term before. I think the producers of the vids had more than "porn" in mind when they made them. I think the vids were intended as a THREAT and not as entertainment.

Then don't watch them if you don't want to.


I don't have to watch war porn to know I'm against killing, just like I don't need to watch child porn to know I'm against child abuse.

[Clancy]

You are obviously titillated by it, you have said as much. It's not unusual, some people enjoy snuff films, especially when they get to feel self-righteous and titillated at the same time. I'm surprised a devotee like you has never heard the term, it's commonly used, like this;
https://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/37572/?page=entire


"War porn"? I never heard that term before. I think the producers of the vids had more than "porn" in mind when they made them. I think the vids were intended as a THREAT and not as entertainment.

Then don't watch them if you don't want to.