Illegal Aliens

[Lenny]

Money talks, all other is just.......look at the make & year of the car with the Mexican flag. I think that is the driving force surrounding this whole thing.
The other day, on the radio, fellow trucker called in and said he couldn't get any Americans to help unload. The moderator asked him if he would pay union or prevalent wages. WHOA. Ask him to cut off a finger instead!
Like the guy said, "follow the money".


Rather than making a new thread, I fugured I'd just use this thread to show you a little of what happened in Santa Rosa yesterday. I shot this vid myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsW_UTJrivM

[Sabrina]

I'd like to respond to you with all these Youtube video's posted by Orchard Dweller a while back in a similar thread. Somehow there is no way I can say that I am an original American native as all of my ancestors are European (accept a little Hawaiian). There has to be an answer other than Report and Deport. Our constitution of the so called wonderful democracy we have is being eroded. With a true democracy we would find a way for the immigrants to be here more easily and legally without the use of the provoctive minute men. We don't need a wall like the Berlin wall. Remember the celebration when they finally tore it down? Why are we going backward rather than progressing forward. We are one people, one earth, and we have been screwed up ever since Europeans placed borders all over it using their machete's and guns. We need to evolve to a new way, a new TOLERANCE way. WE need to Tolerate our differences.

Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?

Aztlan Rising - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

What is MEChA?
https://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Lou Dobbs: North American Union - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

NAFTA Super Highway - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

The Amero - North American currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

North American Union driver's license created
https://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

The Aztec Al-Qaeda - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1XAQc8hS8

Some Oregon schools adopting Mexican curriculum
https://www.diverseeducation.com/artm...cle_9389.shtml (https://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_9389.shtml)

International gangs infiltrate Northern California
https://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=26221

[Reportanddeport]

If you were born in the U.S.A., then you're a native, even if you hate yourself and your own race. What do you think the whole Anchor Baby movement is about? It is about illegal aliens who drop their calves in this breeding ground so that they can then exploit the native status of their own offspring to annul the trespass committed by invading. So if anchor babies are natives born of illegal aliens, then I don't know why a native born of U.S. citizens or REAL immigrants is any less of a native.

Democracy ISN'T REAL unless a democratic country abolishes it's own immigration laws? More like a COUNTRY isn't real if it abolishes it's own immigration laws.

Well, I prefer the phony fraudulent form of democracy where we have laws and consequences for breaking them.

"Provocative minutemen"? Provocative of WHAT, RESPECT FOR THE LAW, RESPECT FOR THE COUNTRY?

YOU don't need a wall, but I need a wall. I don't think we're ever gonna GET one, but I think we NEED one. But I do realize that a wall would reduce your ability to hire people illegally and force you to pay at least minimum wage.

You can blame European people all you want, but what would now be the point of erasing the borders? If Mexico is so wonderful, they why did you run from it in the first place? And if Mexico is so terrible, then why would you want to erase the border and TURN THE U.S.A. INTO MEXICO?

"TOLERANCE", huh? Gosh, just GET RID of that border and those immigration laws, and the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigrant Services (INS) and the military and Congress.

How about you just follow the same laws that I did? How about you NOT cut in line? How about you begin to understand the concept that the U.S. Government does not exist to kiss the asses of the world outside our borders, but rather to serve the interests of the AMERICAN PEOPLE? Sure, the Government is really lousy, but they should serve AMERICAN CITIZENS and NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS.


I'd like to respond to you with all these Youtube video's posted by Orchard Dweller a while back in a similar thread. Somehow there is no way I can say that I am an original American native as all of my ancestors are European (accept a little Hawaiian). There has to be an answer other than Report and Deport. Our constitution of the so called wonderful democracy we have is being eroded. With a true democracy we would find a way for the immigrants to be here more easily and legally without the use of the provoctive minute men. We don't need a wall like the Berlin wall. Remember the celebration when they finally tore it down? Why are we going backward rather than progressing forward. We are one people, one earth, and we have been screwed up ever since Europeans placed borders all over it using their machete's and guns. We need to evolve to a new way, a new TOLERANCE way. WE need to Tolerate our differences.

Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?

Aztlan Rising - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

What is MEChA?
https://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Lou Dobbs: North American Union - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

NAFTA Super Highway - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

The Amero - North American currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

North American Union driver's license created
https://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

The Aztec Al-Qaeda - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1XAQc8hS8

Some Oregon schools adopting Mexican curriculum
https://www.diverseeducation.com/artm...cle_9389.shtml (https://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_9389.shtml)

International gangs infiltrate Northern California
https://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=26221

[Zeno Swijtink]

If you were born in the U.S.A., then you're a native, even if you hate yourself and your own race. What do you think the whole Anchor Baby movement is about? It is about illegal aliens who drop their calves in this breeding ground so that their parents can then exploit the native status of their own offspring to annul the trespass committed by the breeder/invaders. So if anchor babies are natives born of illegal aliens, then I don't know why a native born of U.S. citizens or REAL immigrants is any less of a native.

What is the importance of race to you, Reportanddeport, as you have married yourself, and opened yourself up to, a woman of another race?? Are you worried of having been caught in the Anchor Husband movement?? What are you in fear of?

[MsTerry]

What is the importance of race to you, Reportanddeport, as you have married yourself, and opened yourself up to, a woman of another race?? Are you worried of having been caught in the Anchor Husband movement?? What are you in fear of?
He is probably afraid that we find out that he himself was an anchor-baby.
Aren't we all?

[Braggi]

He is probably afraid that we find out that he himself was an anchor-baby.
Aren't we all?

No, we aren't. Stop being so nasty, MsTerry.

There's been too much harshness on Wacco lately.

You should know better.

-Jeff

[Reportanddeport]

Race is what people look like and is associated with who people choose for a mate and for a friend. I see nothing wrong with people hanging out with their own kind. When I visit with my wife's Filipino friends, I'm usually the only White person there, and it doesn't bother me in any way. Race is like an extended family to many people, but I don't want that attitude to dominate my mind, so I married a Filipina. And I'm a webmaster for a black, female, Congressional candidate. If people want to date or marry someone from a different race, then that's nobody's business but the people in the relationship. But I think the "Progressives" who hate White people are no better than the Ku Klux Klan that hates Black people, when they turn that hatred into harmful action. What goes on in someone else's mind does not matter to me, but when they go out and hurt someone just because of their race, then that makes them scum in my kind.

What is an "anchor husband"? What do I fear? Ummmm..... getting attacked for being a "fucking haole" when I go back to Hawaii... umm.... getting burglarized again when I go back to Hawaii.... getting pulled over by the police in Sonoma County for NO DAMN REASON...... and of course the destruction of the United States from within by people like Lynn Woolsey and Mike Thompson and George Miller and the SPLC and NAACP.

SEE HOW FREELY I EXPRESSED MYSELF HERE? OK, be a good "Progressive" and pick it apart, and turn me into a monster ONE MORE TIME.




What is the importance of race to you, Reportanddeport, as you have married yourself, and opened yourself up to, a woman of another race?? Are you worried of having been caught in the Anchor Husband movement?? What are you in fear of?

[Braggi]

... But I think the "Progressives" who hate White people are no better than the Ku Klux Klan that hates Black people, when they turn that hatred into harmful action. ...
SEE HOW FREELY I EXPRESSED MYSELF HERE? OK, be a good "Progressive" and pick it apart, and turn me into a monster ONE MORE TIME.

I don't think you're a monster. I do wonder what the deal is with all the hate though. The only people on this board who use that word over and over is you and DonC1955, the two who identify as Christians on a regular basis.

So Christianity is big for you and so is hate. Curious.

I also wonder what your goals are, here on Waccobb, if any.

Just trying to figure out why you spend all the effort.

-Jeff

[Reportanddeport]

I'm not a monster, yet I'm all about hate. Well I guess that SHOULD make sense, since "Progressive" is not about progress. But of course NONE of it makes sense.

Reality is that I am not so much about hate as I am about telling things like they are. But of course that would feeeeel like hate to those who have an ongoing battle with reality.

Libs don't see light, they only feel pain. And when the pain comes they will seek the light on their own. Or at least that's my theory.

My original goal was to counter the pro-illegal alien garbage that had been posted here prior to my participation. Many times I googled for that HORRIBLY EVIL Sonoma County Commission for Immigrant Rights, and found waccobb infested with their lies. So I thought I should counter the anti-American garbage with honesty. and post until I was recognized and removed as the only truly evil person a Lib can imagine, a DISSENTER.

In this forum I am "hateful", "violent", "schizophrenic", "dangerous", "a visitor from jail, from a post-apocolyptic, futuristic world", BUT illegal aliens, child molesters and terrorists inside Guantanamo Bay are the most wonderful and victimized and mistreated people in the world.

So there are a lot of seriously screwed up people here who will perceive me as hateful, because I don't hesitate in telling them that they are SICK, SICK, SICK.




I don't think you're a monster. I do wonder what the deal is with all the hate though. The only people on this board who use that word over and over is you and DonC1955, the two who identify as Christians on a regular basis.

So Christianity is big for you and so is hate. Curious.

I also wonder what your goals are, here on Waccobb, if any.

Just trying to figure out why you spend all the effort.

-Jeff

[thewholetruth]

I do wonder what the deal is with all the hate though. The only people on this board who use that word over and over is you and DonC1955, the two who identify as Christians on a regular basis. -Jeff

That is untrue, Jeff. Perhaps this is "your truth" but it's not "the truth". See, this is the problem with "your truth/my truth". It doesn't have anything to do with "the truth".

Please show me where I've used "that word over and over", sir.

The truth is that "your truth", in this case, is a lie.

Don

[MsTerry]

WRONG Jeff,


We are all Anchor-babies!
we all are the start of something new!
Stop being so condescending, Jeff.


No, we aren't. Stop being so nasty, MsTerry.

There's been too much harshness on Wacco lately.

You should know better.

-Jeff

[thewholetruth]

No, we aren't. Stop being so nasty, MsTerry.

There's been too much harshness on Wacco lately.

You should know better.

-Jeff

It's nice to see you post that, Jeff. Clearly, some who "should know better" don't know better. Or perhaps it's just that they're unwilling to DO better.

Don

[Valley Oak]

Am I an 'anchor-baby?' My parents immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba (legally and fleeing Castro's Communism) in 1959 and 1960 (my dad came first). I was born in NY, NY in 1961. I guess that makes me an 'A-B?' Although, is there a distinction between legals and illegals having their babies here in U.S. soil?

Edward


WRONG Jeff,


We are all Anchor-babies!
we all are the start of something new!
Stop being so condescending, Jeff.

[Braggi]

That is untrue, Jeff. Perhaps this is "your truth" but it's not "the truth". See, this is the problem with "your truth/my truth". It doesn't have anything to do with "the truth".

Please show me where I've used "that word over and over", sir.
...

You've only done it about five times that I found, but I give up. The search tools available aren't sophisticated enough to find them all.

I took it pretty personally when you accused me, more than once, of hating Christians, which means I hate the majority of my own family. That was pretty rude of you, not to mention ignorant.

I do think I've erred in my thinking though. I'm confusing your posts with ReportandDeport since you put Gratitude on so many of them and are so supportive of his statements in your posts. That makes you appear as hateful as he is.

I apologize if I've overstated your use of the term. I think I've read it between the lines of your posts and that is possibly due to my own projections.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

LOL
why don't you two get a room together:thumbsup:


It's nice to see you post that, Jeff. Clearly, some who "should know better" don't know better. Or perhaps it's just that they're unwilling to DO better.

Don

[MsTerry]

LOL

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Don, I think you're an ignorant man, filled with arrogant pride and not afraid to appear as a stubborn fool.

-Jeff


It is nice to see you two agree:thumbsup:



It's nice to see you post that, Jeff. Clearly, some who "should know better" don't know better. Or perhaps it's just that they're unwilling to DO better.

Don

[Sabrina]

Report and Deport, I can see that you are a very upset person. I'd like to ask you to stop and sit with yourself for a moment to really see how to direct your energy. An earlier post you made, describing the horrible frustrations (and rightly so! ) that you had with our own screwed up immigration system in this country shows me that you can also really understand, empathise, and should be a fighter on the side of all the immigrants trying to deal with our system here. Here's your earlier quote:

[ We got married in Jan of 01. I tried to petition her as soon as I got home, but THEN I learned that I had to have had a certain income for the previous 3 years PRIOR to getting married, regardless of what my income at the time was. The INS doesn't tell you what the actual income requirements are, they don't even know, so they refer you to ANOTHER government agency. NOTHING will actually happen on your case until you mail everything in, and unless you have money to buy a consultant, you have to figure everything out on your own, so I had to do it by myself. So in March 01 I thought I had enough forms and tax records and everything and I petitioned her. I got a reply back a month later saying it would take over 800 days to process the petition. I wrote back asking why it would take so long, and they never answered me. I called them to find out, but I was allowed about three questions, then they hung up on me. I called back and they wouldn't answer the phone. With their petition acknowledgment letter, they said no information about the case can by learned by calling the National Service Center, that you have to call the California Service Center. But if you call the CSC during the day, it is ALWAYS busy, so you can NEVER, EVER talk to a real person. The paperwork said you can call the automated system at night, which I did, but it didn't give any relevant info about my petition. So I had no answers. So in desperation, I called the National Service Center to complain and tell them that the CSC doesn't work and won't help, but the NSC couldn't care less, and did nothing but suggest I wait 18 months and just "see what happens". A year went by, and still nothing from the INS. No letters, no phone calls, no way of finding out info about the case. I had all my family members calling the CSC on and off for a year, hundreds of calls trying to get through, but none were ever successful. I met with the phony immigration consultant, Teresa Foster. She was as cold and uncaring as an INS officer, and there was nothing she could do for me any way. I sent about 40 letters to the INS, sometimes sending 5 letters of the same thing per day, but all of them were ignored. I sent a letter to Senator Feinsten, which in itself took six weeks to get a response. I asked Feinstein to look into it. 15 months after I mailed in the petition, I got a letter from the INS saying that they had sent me a letter a year ago asking for a copy of my divorce certificate. But I never got such a letter, and they had ignored all the letters during that first year when I tried to find out what the problem was. These F****** IDIOTS sat on this case for a year and ignored me, then had the nerve to say that I had failed to answer their correspondence. So I had to get a certified copy of the divorce decree from the court and mail it in. Two months later, I got approval of the PETITION ALONE. So the case then moved on to the State Department and another year of problems.]

Being as you are married to an immigrant, perhaps you have children, I don't think it would be nice to call your own children "anchor babies". It would be very hurtful to yourself, your wife, and your family, and the world for that matter, because we are all a part of this same world. I initially had asked you these questions:

[Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?]

After finding your above post with the horrible frustrations you went through dealing with our (I'll say it again) SCREWED UP IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, don't you realize that everyone is going through the same thing and perhaps some to a worse degree? Some people with much more complicated cases than yours, waiting for years to be denied, and then needing to find a way to stay because the children are here, or the aging parents are here, or...? Shouldn't you be fighting to make our system better, rather than fighting against the plight of other immigrants?



If you were born in the U.S.A., then you're a native, even if you hate yourself and your own race. What do you think the whole Anchor Baby movement is about? It is about illegal aliens who drop their calves in this breeding ground so that they can then exploit the native status of their own offspring to annul the trespass committed by invading. So if anchor babies are natives born of illegal aliens, then I don't know why a native born of U.S. citizens or REAL immigrants is any less of a native.]

I say, EXACTLY! What makes anyone else more native than another! What makes one type of native born more legal than another. I wonder if my Dad would've been considered an "anchor baby" since he was born here by Eastern European immigrants, back in the day when immigration didn't have as many rules to keep people out. My Grandmother I'm sure was an illegal immigrant at age 6 when she escaped with her mother and siblings from the Bolshavics (spelling?) to America.

[Well, I prefer the phony fraudulent form of democracy where we have laws and consequences for breaking them....]

If it's a phony fraudulent form of democracy how do you know that the laws aren't phony and fraudulent too? Perhaps corrupt excuses to give people harsh consequences just to keep the people down and under control...not acting with true democracy.

["Provocative minutemen"? Provocative of WHAT, RESPECT FOR THE LAW, RESPECT FOR THE COUNTRY? ]

Actually, from what I read and hear and see, these minutemen are supporting the phony fraudulent form of democracy where the corrupted laws give unnecessary consequences to the people trying to truly be democratic. What is democratic, it's having discussions like this, going to blows, voting fairly, and coming to consensus on a decision. Not sneaking out taking the law in your own hands and trying to deport people for the phony fraudulent form of democracy!

[YOU don't need a wall, but I need a wall. I don't think we're ever gonna GET one, but I think we NEED one. But I do realize that a wall would reduce your ability to hire people illegally and force you to pay at least minimum wage.]

You said it. I don't need a wall, but you do. I think you need to wall yourself up for a little bit and see where to take your battle. I think your fighting one that hurts the core of your own family. I think you need to get your priorities straight, safely from behind your walls (perhaps padded walls so that you don't hurt yourself or anyone else) then you can open a door and come out refreshed with a new and more harmonious point of view.

[You can blame European people all you want, but what would now be the point of erasing the borders? If Mexico is so wonderful, they why did you run from it in the first place? And if Mexico is so terrible, then why would you want to erase the border and TURN THE U.S.A. INTO MEXICO?]

This statement doesn't make sense based on all of the intellectual and factual arguments that have been made on the Wacco board regarding the fact that if Mexico was not screwed up with things like NAFTA and the financial corruptions in their own government, Mexicans would probably not be so desperate to come here to make money. The point is, the world is getting smaller and those with power more greedy. We are on the verge of another kind of revolution. With the environmental issues at hand, the illegal wars, the whole cost of fuel / food etc system we are in, we are up for major change. It will hit us HARD if we don't take a good close look and "COME TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW ... ALL THE WORLD NEEDS IS LOVE!" (BEETLES).

["TOLERANCE", huh?...] Yes, Tolerance!

[How about you just follow the same laws that I did? How about you NOT cut in line? How about you begin to understand the concept that the U.S. Government does not exist to kiss the asses of the world outside our borders, but rather to serve the interests of the AMERICAN PEOPLE? Sure, the Government is really lousy, but they should serve AMERICAN CITIZENS and NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS.

All of the frustration you dealt with during your fight with immigration for your wife to be here legally is reduced to a childish plea for people to stay in line and take their turn? Did someone cut ahead of you? I don't think so.
My American Government is about human rights, and democracy, and working things out without wars. Your attitude about having won legal citizenship for your wife is kind of like a bigger bully kid who was at an easter egg hunt grabbing all the candy and telling the littler kids, "tough luck! I got it first! Fight for your own when you get big!" Or, it's also like the early American Settlers (illegal immigrants?) grabbing and claiming US soil. It's Mine! I claimed it! Why not have immigration be a much easier process? What are we scared of?

[Sabrina]

Just a little note: I tried to respond to several items of Report and Deports last message to me, and it looks screwed up, like a bunch of my responses to him look like they are his quote. I give up on trying to clarify it. Maybe some one can take the time to figure it out. People fallowing the thread, probably will understand. I was trying to make quotes around his statements, and then comment, but it looks different...I don't know, Barry!

[thewholetruth]

You've only done it about five times that I found, but I give up. The search tools available aren't sophisticated enough to find them all.

TRANSLATION: 'I can't find any, Don.' If you really "found" them, then why didn't you refer to them by post number?


I took it pretty personally when you accused me, more than once, of hating Christians, which means I hate the majority of my own family. That was pretty rude of you, not to mention ignorant.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... All we have to go on are the words you post here, Jeff. Sounds like a duck.


I do think I've erred in my thinking though. I'm confusing your posts with ReportandDeport...

I'm not him.


since you put Gratitude on so many of them and are so supportive of his statements in your posts.

I put gratitude on them when I appreciate his posts. That doesn't mean I agree with absolutely every statement he makes, but generally speaking he tells THE truth (as opposed to "your truth" and "my truth") and I appreciate that.


That makes you appear as hateful as he is.

Only to someone who wants to believe that I'm hateful. I'm not.


I apologize if I've overstated your use of the term. I think I've read it between the lines of your posts and that is possibly due to my own projections. -Jeff

Nice to see you being honest about this, here at the end of your post, Jeff. Apology accepted. I don't think I've used the word "hate" even once here, btw.

Don

[thewholetruth]

I took it pretty personally when you accused me, more than once, of hating Christians, which means I hate the majority of my own family. That was pretty rude of you, not to mention ignorant.

I apologize, Jeff. I should have tempered it with "you sound like a" Christian hater, if I didn't already do that.

Don

[amalia]

Thank you, Sabrina for these comments and pleas for tolerance.
My plea to the Wacco community is to stop using the term "Illegal Alien."
Besides being a hate-fueled word, no one on this planet is illegal.
Please, let's at least change our tone in this discussion. It might result in broadening rather than intimidating the Wacco community.

Amalia

I'd like to respond to you with all these Youtube video's posted by Orchard Dweller a while back in a similar thread. Somehow there is no way I can say that I am an original American native as all of my ancestors are European (accept a little Hawaiian). There has to be an answer other than Report and Deport. Our constitution of the so called wonderful democracy we have is being eroded. With a true democracy we would find a way for the immigrants to be here more easily and legally without the use of the provoctive minute men. We don't need a wall like the Berlin wall. Remember the celebration when they finally tore it down? Why are we going backward rather than progressing forward. We are one people, one earth, and we have been screwed up ever since Europeans placed borders all over it using their machete's and guns. We need to evolve to a new way, a new TOLERANCE way. WE need to Tolerate our differences.

Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?

Aztlan Rising - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

What is MEChA?
https://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Lou Dobbs: North American Union - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

NAFTA Super Highway - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

The Amero - North American currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

North American Union driver's license created
https://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

The Aztec Al-Qaeda - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1XAQc8hS8

Some Oregon schools adopting Mexican curriculum
https://www.diverseeducation.com/artm...cle_9389.shtml (https://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_9389.shtml)

International gangs infiltrate Northern California
https://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=26221[/quote]

[thewholetruth]

Thank you, Sabrina for these comments and pleas for tolerance.
My plea to the Wacco community is to stop using the term "Illegal Alien."

Are they here illegally? Are they citizens or aliens? IF they are here illegally, and they aren't citizens, then they are illegal aliens, Amalia. We should call them what they are.


Besides being a hate-fueled word, no one on this planet is illegal.]

There is nothing "hate-fueled" about the truth. It's the truth. They are here in America illegally. That makes them illegal aliens. Yes, they are illegal, and they know they are illegal.


Please, let's at least change our tone in this discussion. It might result in broadening rather than intimidating the Wacco community.]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that if we sugar coat the truth it will become more palatable? Or that if we spray paint a turd gold that it will become more attractive? That if we pretend illegal aliens aren't here illegally and aren't aliens that it might "broaden" the Wacco community?

I'm not tracking with you on this one, Amalia. Perhaps some clarification? Please.

Don

[MsTerry]

TRANSLATION: 'I can't find any, Don.' If you really "found" them, then why didn't you refer to them by post number?

. I don't think I've used the word "hate" even once here,

Don
And here is THE Truth


I've done the math. Christian haters are blind to the truth, Ms. Terry. I know. I was one, for 42 years. Your anti-Christian rhetoric is no different than mine was, or than any other Christian hater's blahblah. It all sounds the same because it all comes from the same place.


Don



Don,

You are so full of yourself that you think you can say and get away with anything you want.
If I were to use your terminology and criteria I would call you a LIAR,
no, I would say: THE Truth is YOU ARE A LIAR.
You are saying one thing, and then denying it the next moment.
Don, like I said before, it is sad to see someone make such a fool out of himself, and that is THE truth

[Reportanddeport]

No, you are NOT an anchor baby.
An anchor baby is a baby born of illegal alien parents. This is where the outside world sneaks into America and has the baby here while expecting YOU to pay for it while simultaneously using that baby in lieu of a visa, daring you to deport the parents of a so-called "U.S. Citizen".

Legal immigrants have already sworn an oath of allegiance to the United States by the time they get here. An immigrant will not get the visa without it.


Am I an 'anchor-baby?' My parents immigrated to the U.S. from Cuba (legally and fleeing Castro's Communism) in 1959 and 1960 (my dad came first). I was born in NY, NY in 1961. I guess that makes me an 'A-B?' Although, is there a distinction between legals and illegals having their babies here in U.S. soil?

Edward

[MsTerry]

This is beyond hysterical!!!
or should I say Historical????



No, you are NOT an anchor baby.
An anchor baby is a baby born of illegal alien parents. This is where the outside world sneaks into America and has the baby here while expecting YOU to pay for it while simultaneously using that baby in lieu of a visa, daring you to deport the parents of a so-called "U.S. Citizen".

Legal immigrants have already sworn an oath of allegiance to the United States by the time they get here. An immigrant will not get the visa without it.

[Reportanddeport]

From the beginning of my marriage, I have been in favor of the U.S. processing immigrant petitions in a fast and efficient way. I have ALWAYS wanted families to be re-united quickly.

My fighting against ILLEGAL immigration in no way implies a desire to make things more difficult for REAL immigrants nor does it show a relaxing of my desire for the government to re-unite families QUICKLY.

But it is more important for me to protect my own country, EVEN WITH A SHITTY GOVERNMENT, than it is for me to serve the interests of the world OUTSIDE the U.S.A. The government does indeed do a lousy job of processing immigrant petitions. But I will NOT use that as an excuse to stab the whole country in the back and then start serving the interests of the outside world nor that of those traitors among us who want to bypass labor and wage and health and tax laws.

Sneaking into America does not make you an immigrant any more than eating a taco makes me a Mexican. Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants. Illegal aliens are the pus of corporate greed and communist ambitions.

I don't have any kids, but if I had them, then they would not be anchor babies, as I am a U.S. citizen and my wife is a legal permanent resident.

It is "childish" for people to obey the law? There will ALWAYS be people who use their dislike of a law as an excuse to break it. And there will always be people like me who see that the consequences of breaking certain laws have HORRIBLY PAINFUL CONSEQUENCES FOR INNOCENTS WHO WILL BE VICTIMIZED BY YOUR FAKE IMMIGRANTS.

I will NEVER preserve, protect and defend illegal aliens.


Report and Deport, I can see that you are a very upset person. I'd like to ask you to stop and sit with yourself for a moment to really see how to direct your energy. An earlier post you made, describing the horrible frustrations (and rightly so! ) that you had with our own screwed up immigration system in this country shows me that you can also really understand, empathise, and should be a fighter on the side of all the immigrants trying to deal with our system here. Here's your earlier quote:

[ We got married in Jan of 01. I tried to petition her as soon as I got home, but THEN I learned that I had to have had a certain income for the previous 3 years PRIOR to getting married, regardless of what my income at the time was. The INS doesn't tell you what the actual income requirements are, they don't even know, so they refer you to ANOTHER government agency. NOTHING will actually happen on your case until you mail everything in, and unless you have money to buy a consultant, you have to figure everything out on your own, so I had to do it by myself. So in March 01 I thought I had enough forms and tax records and everything and I petitioned her. I got a reply back a month later saying it would take over 800 days to process the petition. I wrote back asking why it would take so long, and they never answered me. I called them to find out, but I was allowed about three questions, then they hung up on me. I called back and they wouldn't answer the phone. With their petition acknowledgment letter, they said no information about the case can by learned by calling the National Service Center, that you have to call the California Service Center. But if you call the CSC during the day, it is ALWAYS busy, so you can NEVER, EVER talk to a real person. The paperwork said you can call the automated system at night, which I did, but it didn't give any relevant info about my petition. So I had no answers. So in desperation, I called the National Service Center to complain and tell them that the CSC doesn't work and won't help, but the NSC couldn't care less, and did nothing but suggest I wait 18 months and just "see what happens". A year went by, and still nothing from the INS. No letters, no phone calls, no way of finding out info about the case. I had all my family members calling the CSC on and off for a year, hundreds of calls trying to get through, but none were ever successful. I met with the phony immigration consultant, Teresa Foster. She was as cold and uncaring as an INS officer, and there was nothing she could do for me any way. I sent about 40 letters to the INS, sometimes sending 5 letters of the same thing per day, but all of them were ignored. I sent a letter to Senator Feinsten, which in itself took six weeks to get a response. I asked Feinstein to look into it. 15 months after I mailed in the petition, I got a letter from the INS saying that they had sent me a letter a year ago asking for a copy of my divorce certificate. But I never got such a letter, and they had ignored all the letters during that first year when I tried to find out what the problem was. These F****** IDIOTS sat on this case for a year and ignored me, then had the nerve to say that I had failed to answer their correspondence. So I had to get a certified copy of the divorce decree from the court and mail it in. Two months later, I got approval of the PETITION ALONE. So the case then moved on to the State Department and another year of problems.]

Being as you are married to an immigrant, perhaps you have children, I don't think it would be nice to call your own children "anchor babies". It would be very hurtful to yourself, your wife, and your family, and the world for that matter, because we are all a part of this same world. I initially had asked you these questions:

[Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?]

After finding your above post with the horrible frustrations you went through dealing with our (I'll say it again) SCREWED UP IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, don't you realize that everyone is going through the same thing and perhaps some to a worse degree? Some people with much more complicated cases than yours, waiting for years to be denied, and then needing to find a way to stay because the children are here, or the aging parents are here, or...? Shouldn't you be fighting to make our system better, rather than fighting against the plight of other immigrants?




All of the frustration you dealt with during your fight with immigration for your wife to be here legally is reduced to a childish plea for people to stay in line and take their turn? Did someone cut ahead of you? I don't think so.
My American Government is about human rights, and democracy, and working things out without wars. Your attitude about having won legal citizenship for your wife is kind of like a bigger bully kid who was at an easter egg hunt grabbing all the candy and telling the littler kids, "tough luck! I got it first! Fight for your own when you get big!" Or, it's also like the early American Settlers (illegal immigrants?) grabbing and claiming US soil. It's Mine! I claimed it! Why not have immigration be a much easier process? What are we scared of?

[Sabrina]

Let me ask you this then. Is the reason you're so upset with immigrants that have not become legal yet because of corporate greed, that wants to keep their wages slave wages, and not at least the minimum wage? I mean I have seen no real evidence yet of immigrants who are trying to be here illegally so that they can get lower wages to make "Unkle SAM Corporation I am" fatter and richer. I mean, yes, I believe there are some corporations that have benefited from paying below minimum wage to undocumented immigrants so that they could make more money and avoid workmans comp and other taxes. This is a crime. But I really don't think it's the immigrant that wants this. It's the rich corporate greedy guy who happens to be...AN AMERICAN!
Can you point out to me some Proof of immigrants that want to be here illegally making substandard wages with no human protections under the law? All I see, and I know quite a few immigrants, is the story you described so well, of the INS not getting back to you and all the red tape of sending them call after call and letter after letter, and all the money you have to pay lawyers and immigration consultants, etc. I mean if you and I are like most people in society, $2000 or $3000 even $1000 is hard to save. And the fee's involved with immigrating now are astronomical not to mention the lawyer fees if you have a complicated case (minimum $250 per hour!). And I'm not only talking about Mexican immigrants, I mean European, African, etc. The whole homeland security thing has made tourists uncomfortable to visit us (more money lost to our country in lost tourism), I can give some personal accounts on that if you'd like. I mean I love our constitution and I hope it will be restored one day and I can be proud again to be an AMERICAN. BUT, at this venture with all the crimes committed by the BUSH administration, it is very hard for me to be proud right now. I feel ashamed.

I still honestly think you are fighting the wrong battle. You should be fighting on the side of the immigrant. You should be looking more closely at the individual families and why they are here. You cannot lump them all together and say "oh, they just want to have babies here so they can get legal" SO WHAT IF THEY DID!!? Let them get legal.

I work in the wine industry and in the Auto industry. In the wine industry many of our vineyards have suffered because NO ONE WOULD PICK THE GRAPES and the hispanic people who really know that work have been terrorized by immigration not to be here if they are not legal. Even if they are legal they feel terrorized. Also some of these bigger wineries, like Kendal Jackson or Gallo are the exact AMERICAN CORPORATE GREED we've been talking about, especially many news stories on this in the past few years; trying to keep the slave laborer so that they don't have to pay workman's comp, etc.

In the Auto industry more than half of my car buying customers are Mexican, Guatamalan, or Salvadorian immigrants. MANY of them do NOT have drivers licenses and we are aloud under law to sell them cars of which they cannot get insurance or drive legally due to their immigration status. BUT they pay me the SALES TAX which is GREATLY needed in CALIFORNIA!!! Lately business has been a little slower because their are less immigrants around due to the fears they have about being out and driving. I WONDER HOW MANY OTHER INDUSTRIES IN AMERICA REALLY APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS BROUGHT TO THEM BY HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS, MANY OF WHOM MAY BE SO CALLED "ILLEGAL".

I think you are really going overboard to be so apposed to the immigrant causes that were involved at the march last week, especially being married to an immigrant. It was all about fair wages and comprehensive immigration reform. I thought you were for that. The minute men...many of them are involved because they are racist. Look at it more carefully and how they represent themselves (shooting at immigrants in the dessert...mothers and babies...come on we are HUMAN BEINGS! THERE MAY NOT BE ANOTHER PLANET OUT THERE LIKE OURS, FOR ALL WE KNOW)

[Braggi]

I'm not a monster, yet I'm all about hate. Well I guess that SHOULD make sense, since "Progressive" is not about progress. But of course NONE of it makes sense. ...


You know Reportanddeport, I do appreciate it that you answer questions when someone asks. I don't always agree with your answers, but I do like knowing where you're coming from.

Thanks,

-Jeff

[PeriodThree]

I've stayed away from this whole fricada. Basically reportanddeport is pissed that he followed the rules and got screwed, while these other people broke the rules and prevailed.

Yeah...he is right as far as that goes. Sucks to be him. I hate it when I follow the rules and a**h*les who don't prevail.

I love this cartoon:
https://www.marriedtothesea.com/080807/illegal-immigrant.gif

Basically, we all profit from 'illegal' immigrants. And they profit from us. That is pretty much how the world works.

[PeriodThree]

But it is more important for me to protect my own country, EVEN WITH A SHITTY GOVERNMENT, than it is for me to serve the interests of the world OUTSIDE the U.S.A.


Our country is not made 'better' by limiting immigration, legal or illegal. I don't know what you mean by this whole 'my own country' thing anyway - you know, seeing as how we stole it from the Native Americans and the Mexicans anyway.




Sneaking into America does not make you an immigrant any more than eating a taco makes me a Mexican. Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants. Illegal aliens are the pus of corporate greed and communist ambitions.


I can't really respond to that statement with any respect because it is a contemptible thing for you to write.

Pus? I mean, basically, you are just exposing yourself to be a totally nasty freak. People are not puss. And people who come to our country and work are 'immigrants' or 'laborers' not 'pus.'

To write that people are pus puts you pretty far beyond the reach of any civilized opinions.

[Reportanddeport]

STOP saying ILLEGAL ALIEN? Well I"M not going to hide from reality just to help human smugglers hide what they do. BUT, you might get some co-operation from some of the reality escape artists here.

YOU don't want the term, ILLEGAL ALIENS, used. And I don't want the term, UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS, used.

But I think the term people use will reflect whether or not they approve of illegal immigration.



Thank you, Sabrina for these comments and pleas for tolerance.
My plea to the Wacco community is to stop using the term "Illegal Alien."
Besides being a hate-fueled word, no one on this planet is illegal.
Please, let's at least change our tone in this discussion. It might result in broadening rather than intimidating the Wacco community.

Amalia

I'd like to respond to you with all these Youtube video's posted by Orchard Dweller a while back in a similar thread. Somehow there is no way I can say that I am an original American native as all of my ancestors are European (accept a little Hawaiian). There has to be an answer other than Report and Deport. Our constitution of the so called wonderful democracy we have is being eroded. With a true democracy we would find a way for the immigrants to be here more easily and legally without the use of the provoctive minute men. We don't need a wall like the Berlin wall. Remember the celebration when they finally tore it down? Why are we going backward rather than progressing forward. We are one people, one earth, and we have been screwed up ever since Europeans placed borders all over it using their machete's and guns. We need to evolve to a new way, a new TOLERANCE way. WE need to Tolerate our differences.

Why are you so apposed to the plight of immigrants when you are married to one, how is it hurting you? Were you frustrated with your wifes process? I know people who try to be legal, but they fall through the cracks and don't have the $$$$ to PAY for all the fees involved and the rip off lawyers involved. They are struggling to make ends meet, with family members here, and they are stuck in a catch 22. If you had a difficult time, why are you bitter, and not helping other immigrants have an easier time at it?

Aztlan Rising - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

What is MEChA?
https://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Lou Dobbs: North American Union - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U

NAFTA Super Highway - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmFrYWPoG8

The Amero - North American currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98

North American Union driver's license created
https://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

The Aztec Al-Qaeda - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1XAQc8hS8

Some Oregon schools adopting Mexican curriculum
https://www.diverseeducation.com/artm...cle_9389.shtml (https://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_9389.shtml)

International gangs infiltrate Northern California
https://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=26221[/quote]

[Reportanddeport]

WHYYYYY do people keep asking me this same garbage over and over again? How many times do I have to explain that we have LAWS intended to PROTECT us?

ILLEGAL ALIENS: HUMAN SMUGGLERS and deported, returning CHILD MOLESTER arrested in Arizona (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/illegal-aliens-human-smugglers-and-deported-returning-child-molester-arrested-in-arizona)
ILLEGAL ALIEN SODOMIZES BOY, Gets 50 Years in Prison (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/illegal-alien-sodomizes-boy-gets-50-years-in-prison)
ILLEGAL ALIEN arranges SEX WITH 10y.o. and other has KIDDIE PORN COLLECTION (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/illegal-alien-arranges-sex-with-10yo-and-other-has-kiddie-porn-collection)
Illegal Aliens ARE “illiterate peasants”: In support of Douglas Bruce (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/illegal-aliens-are-illiterate-peasants-in-support-of-douglas-bruce)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, 44 y.o. ILLEGAL ALIEN RAPES 15 y.o. GIRL (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/in-an-absolut-world-44-yo-illegal-alien-rapes-15-yo-girl)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, ILLEGAL ALIENS STAB MOTHER TO DEATH (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/in-an-absolut-world-illegal-aliens-stab-mother-to-death)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, ILLEGAL ALIEN RAPES GIRL (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/in-an-absolut-world-illegal-alien-rapes-girl)
After sending Border patrol Agents to prison, illegal alien pleads guilty to DRUG SMUGGLING (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/after-sending-border-patrol-agents-to-prison-illegal-alien-pleads-guilty-to-drug-smuggling)
ILLEGAL ALIEN Restaurant Owner pays to have MORE ILLEGALS SMUGGLED IN (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/illegal-alien-restaurant-owner-pays-to-have-more-illegals-smuggled-in)
DEPORTED ILLEGALS RE-ARRESTED for Crystal Meth, plus FUGITIVE ALIENS arrested and RELEASED (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/deported-illegals-re-arrested-for-crystal-meth-plus-fugitive-aliens-arrested-and-released)
Bush Fails in Attempt to Save Murderer (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bush-fails-in-attempt-to-save-murderer-from-mexico)




Let me ask you this then. Is the reason you're so upset with immigrants that have not become legal yet because of corporate greed, that wants to keep their wages slave wages, and not at least the minimum wage? I mean I have seen no real evidence yet of immigrants who are trying to be here illegally so that they can get lower wages to make "Unkle SAM Corporation I am" fatter and richer. I mean, yes, I believe there are some corporations that have benefited from paying below minimum wage to undocumented immigrants so that they could make more money and avoid workmans comp and other taxes. This is a crime. But I really don't think it's the immigrant that wants this. It's the rich corporate greedy guy who happens to be...AN AMERICAN!
Can you point out to me some Proof of immigrants that want to be here illegally making substandard wages with no human protections under the law? All I see, and I know quite a few immigrants, is the story you described so well, of the INS not getting back to you and all the red tape of sending them call after call and letter after letter, and all the money you have to pay lawyers and immigration consultants, etc. I mean if you and I are like most people in society, $2000 or $3000 even $1000 is hard to save. And the fee's involved with immigrating now are astronomical not to mention the lawyer fees if you have a complicated case (minimum $250 per hour!). And I'm not only talking about Mexican immigrants, I mean European, African, etc. The whole homeland security thing has made tourists uncomfortable to visit us (more money lost to our country in lost tourism), I can give some personal accounts on that if you'd like. I mean I love our constitution and I hope it will be restored one day and I can be proud again to be an AMERICAN. BUT, at this venture with all the crimes committed by the BUSH administration, it is very hard for me to be proud right now. I feel ashamed.

I still honestly think you are fighting the wrong battle. You should be fighting on the side of the immigrant. You should be looking more closely at the individual families and why they are here. You cannot lump them all together and say "oh, they just want to have babies here so they can get legal" SO WHAT IF THEY DID!!? Let them get legal.

I work in the wine industry and in the Auto industry. In the wine industry many of our vineyards have suffered because NO ONE WOULD PICK THE GRAPES and the hispanic people who really know that work have been terrorized by immigration not to be here if they are not legal. Even if they are legal they feel terrorized. Also some of these bigger wineries, like Kendal Jackson or Gallo are the exact AMERICAN CORPORATE GREED we've been talking about, especially many news stories on this in the past few years; trying to keep the slave laborer so that they don't have to pay workman's comp, etc.

In the Auto industry more than half of my car buying customers are Mexican, Guatamalan, or Salvadorian immigrants. MANY of them do NOT have drivers licenses and we are aloud under law to sell them cars of which they cannot get insurance or drive legally due to their immigration status. BUT they pay me the SALES TAX which is GREATLY needed in CALIFORNIA!!! Lately business has been a little slower because their are less immigrants around due to the fears they have about being out and driving. I WONDER HOW MANY OTHER INDUSTRIES IN AMERICA REALLY APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS BROUGHT TO THEM BY HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS, MANY OF WHOM MAY BE SO CALLED "ILLEGAL".

I think you are really going overboard to be so apposed to the immigrant causes that were involved at the march last week, especially being married to an immigrant. It was all about fair wages and comprehensive immigration reform. I thought you were for that. The minute men...many of them are involved because they are racist. Look at it more carefully and how they represent themselves (shooting at immigrants in the dessert...mothers and babies...come on we are HUMAN BEINGS! THERE MAY NOT BE ANOTHER PLANET OUT THERE LIKE OURS, FOR ALL WE KNOW)

[Reportanddeport]

Thank you, and you're welcome.


You know Reportanddeport, I do appreciate it that you answer questions when someone asks. I don't always agree with your answers, but I do like knowing where you're coming from.

Thanks,

-Jeff

[Reportanddeport]

OK, you got me to click on it, and yes, it was dumb.

Is anyone who uses this forum other than myself older than 16?

Does ANY good Liberal remember when Libs used to be OPPOSED to corporate welfare? Does ANY good Liberal remember when Libs used to be OPPOSED to anything less than a living wage? WHAT HAPPENED to those days and those Libs?

TODAY'S LIBS are sooooo content to let the corps profit from illegal labor and the Libs are jumping on the profits bandwagon too.

Times, they are achangin'.


I've stayed away from this whole fricada. Basically reportanddeport is pissed that he followed the rules and got screwed, while these other people broke the rules and prevailed.

Yeah...he is right as far as that goes. Sucks to be him. I hate it when I follow the rules and a**h*les who don't prevail.

I love this cartoon:
https://www.marriedtothesea.com/080807/illegal-immigrant.gif

Basically, we all profit from 'illegal' immigrants. And they profit from us. That is pretty much how the world works.

[Reportanddeport]

Our country is NOT made better by establishing and conducting a legal and orderly immigration process? IS THIS FORUM GOING BACK TO IMMIGRATION KINDERGARTEN AGAIN?

If the U.S.A. does not have a recognized and ENFORCED border, then IT IS NOT A COUNTRY.

The U.S.A. IS MY country and I did NOT STEAL IT FROM ANYONE. YOU grovel in self-hatred all you want and YOU apologize all you want, but I'M NOT gonna join you.

Maybe you can go to Roseland and rent yourself out as a doormat for the "real" owners of America.

"Totally nasty freak"? And I'm "violent" and "hateful" and "dangerous" and "schizophrenic" and "a visitor from jail, from a futuristic, post-apocalyptic world". These things HAPPEN when you send your infection into America.

GO "LABOR" ON GETTING A VISA. GO "LABOR" ON RESPECTING THE LAW. GO "LABOR" ON RETURNING THE VIRGINITY OF THOSE KIDS YOU POPPED. GO "LABOR" ON BRINGING BACK THE INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU KILLED. GO "LABOR" ON GETTING IMMUNIZED BEFORE YOU COME INTO MY COUNTRY.

I'M going to labor on getting your PUS out of my country.

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Eligio Chia-Duron
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 11/14/07

A Forest Park man who told police he beat and molested the 8-month-old daughter of his girlfriend because the woman was cheating on him was convicted on all charges Wednesday and sentenced to life plus 40 years in prison. After hearing testimony for two days, the jury took 20 minutes to convict Eligio Chia-Duron, 40, of aggravated battery, aggravated child molestation and child cruelty. The victim, now 19 months old, was injured so severely she is paralyzed from the waist down and will be confined to a wheelchair the rest of her life. Because of the sexual abuse, she will never bear children. She also suffered brain damage when Chia-Duron shook her. Clayton County Superior Court Chief Judge Matthew O. Simmons said the maximum sentence was called for in this case. "In some ways, murder victims are dealt with better than this," Simmons said. "This baby was completely helpless, completely defenseless. And the only reason you have given is that you were mad at her mother." The mother, Fabiola Delgada Mata, 21, also was charged but pleaded guilty to one count of child cruelty in June and agreed to testify against Chia-Duron. The two lived together but Chia-Duron said Mata, a former stripper, left the baby with him while she dated other men.
When the abuse was discovered, Mata lost custody of the baby, who will be legally adopted by her foster mother in a few weeks. Mata is serving five years on probation for her role in the abuse. The foster mother, who did not want to be identified because the adoption will be sealed and she didn't want the defendants ever to locate her, said the wheelchair-bound toddler is "doing fine." But when she took the stand to deliver a victim impact statement Wednesday, the mother described what she expects from the child's future: taunts from other students, a lack of a social life, more surgeries and possible depression. "Maybe one day she'll get married, but she can never have her own children," she said. "That's if she makes it. There is a high rate of suicide in people who have to live in wheelchairs." She went on to suggest that if spinal cord transplant surgery is ever perfected, Chia-Duron should provide his to the child. She also asked for the maximum sentence, as did Deputy Chief Assistant District Attorney John Turner. "He's shown no remorse or sense of responsibility," Turner told Simmons. "This is one of the worst, if not the worst, cases of abuse most of us have ever seen." Mata and Chia-Duron, who has a wife and children in Mexico, are in this country illegally, prosecutors said. His family hired attorney Steven Mackie to defend him during the trial but has no money for the appeals process, Mackie said. Chia-Duron has 30 days to appeal and will be appointed a public defender.




Our country is not made 'better' by limiting immigration, legal or illegal. I don't know what you mean by this whole 'my own country' thing anyway - you know, seeing as how we stole it from the Native Americans and the Mexicans anyway.



I can't really respond to that statement with any respect because it is a contemptible thing for you to write.

Pus? I mean, basically, you are just exposing yourself to be a totally nasty freak. People are not puss. And people who come to our country and work are 'immigrants' or 'laborers' not 'pus.'

To write that people are pus puts you pretty far beyond the reach of any civilized opinions.

[thewholetruth]

If the U.S.A. does not have a recognized and ENFORCED border, then IT IS NOT A COUNTRY.

That is correct.

And the Liberals don't care about the little girl. They only care that Eligio has the opportunity to pick their asparagas for next to nothing so they can stay within their shopping budget at Olivers.

What you'll hear them say is "That's bad, BUT..."

I just shake my head.

Don

[Valley Oak]

Rich, thanks for your input.

You express yourself in a much better way than I can. I get too angry with posts from Repeat&Deny, The Don, etc. I could not contain my frustration and fury if I were to ever respond to their posts, which would put me at their level or even lower. When I read some of the stuff that these people say it pisses me off so much.

Thanks for saying what I can't.

Edward


Our country is not made 'better' by limiting immigration, legal or illegal. I don't know what you mean by this whole 'my own country' thing anyway - you know, seeing as how we stole it from the Native Americans and the Mexicans anyway.

I can't really respond to that statement with any respect because it is a contemptible thing for you to write.

Pus? I mean, basically, you are just exposing yourself to be a totally nasty freak. People are not puss. And people who come to our country and work are 'immigrants' or 'laborers' not 'pus.'

To write that people are pus puts you pretty far beyond the reach of any civilized opinions.

[Sabrina]

funny cartoon. It kind of reminds me of how I feel about people who drive around with giant American Flags in their truck. I want to ask them, "Wow! By any chance....could you be an American?"


I've stayed away from this whole fricada. Basically reportanddeport is pissed that he followed the rules and got screwed, while these other people broke the rules and prevailed.

Yeah...he is right as far as that goes. Sucks to be him. I hate it when I follow the rules and a**h*les who don't prevail.

I love this cartoon:
https://www.marriedtothesea.com/080807/illegal-immigrant.gif

Basically, we all profit from 'illegal' immigrants. And they profit from us. That is pretty much how the world works.

[Braggi]

funny cartoon. It kind of reminds me of how I feel about people who drive around with giant American Flags in their truck. I want to ask them, "Wow! By any chance....could you be an American?"

And, gee! Where was that flag made? Oh, China. Or Mexico, of cloth made in China. How patriotic.

-Jeff

[alanora]

Has anyone seen trucknutz on vehicles in these parts? They are metallic balls available in increasingly larger sizes to add to the virility? of your truck. Literally gonads for the gas guzzler. Imported? mindy


And, gee! Where was that flag made? Oh, China. Or Mexico, of cloth made in China. How patriotic.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Are you trying to drive me nuts?
You are getting me all hot and bothered just thinking about a truck like that running all over me...............


Has anyone seen trucknutz on vehicles in these parts? They are metallic balls available in increasingly larger sizes to add to the virility? of your truck. Literally gonads for the gas guzzler. Imported? mindy

[MsTerry]

Is anyone who uses this forum other than myself older than 16?


There it is, right from the horses mouth, he isn't even 16 yet!!!
And I thought he was at least 17.

[Valley Oak]

LOL! Perceptive metaphor.


...gonads for the gas guzzler. Imported? mindy

[Reportanddeport]

It demonstrates the hypocrisy and downright EVIL that is the "Progressive" movement.


That is correct.

And the Liberals don't care about the little girl. They only care that Eligio has the opportunity to pick their asparagas for next to nothing so they can stay within their shopping budget at Olivers.

What you'll hear them say is "That's bad, BUT..."

I just shake my head.

Don

[MsTerry]

YOU finally convinced me!
Can I join this important movement?
Who is my leader?



It demonstrates the hypocrisy and downright EVIL that is the "Progressive" movement.

[Valley Oak]

Ms Terry, here is your leader, of the same ilk as Repeat&Deny:

https://www.kkkk.net

I checked out the website myself and felt so inspired that I'm going to investigate gene therapy so that I can stop being of Hispanic (from Spain) origin and become a true White Man and defend the great, Aryan race (or the Proto-Indo-European race), just like Hitler did.

Edward


YOU finally convinced me!
Can I join this important movement?
Who is my leader?

[Braggi]

Ms Terry, here is your leader, of the same ilk as Repeat&Deny:


Edward! That's crummy. Come on!

Feel free to delete that post.

-Jeff

[Sabrina]

This is dangerous! The guy might actually try to join them! Although, they'd find it unacceptable that he has an immigrant wife. But jeez some of the things they say on there sound just like him and the other guy donc or whatever.


Ms Terry, here is your leader, of the same ilk as Repeat&Deny:

(kill kill kill web site removed)

I checked out the website myself and felt so inspired that I'm going to investigate gene therapy so that I can stop being of Hispanic (from Spain) origin and become a true White Man and defend the great, Aryan race (or the Proto-Indo-European race), just like Hitler did.

Edward

[MsTerry]

Ed,

Thanks for the site, I liked the music, great for a parade!
Only problem is that you have to be 18 to join, that means R&D can't join us.


Ms Terry, here is your leader, of the same ilk as Repeat&Deny:

https://www.kkkk.net

I checked out the website myself and felt so inspired that I'm going to investigate gene therapy so that I can stop being of Hispanic (from Spain) origin and become a true White Man and defend the great, Aryan race (or the Proto-Indo-European race), just like Hitler did.

Edward

[MsTerry]

Come on now Braggi
When did you ever ask Donc-y and Repent or Die to delete a post?
These two came on Wacco to kick some commie, atheist ass, it is time we call them what they are since they are so interested in hearing the truth.



Edward! That's crummy. Come on!

Feel free to delete that post.

-Jeff

[Sabrina]

Wow. Report and deport is REALLY obsessed with finding horrible crimes commited by Hispanic immigrants that are so called illegal. He even has his own website about it, and everyone of his links leads to his own personal collection of these horrible stories. I mean I could sit there and find the same horrible type crime stories committed by persons anywhere on this planet, but who has the time (or wants to focus on such negative garb)?

I do have the time however, (sometimes) to address issues right in my community, and Report and Deport did NOT answer my question this time. I was hoping I could reach him with the fact that he's married to an immigrant, and you would think he should really be on the side of the immigrant because of his hard story, etc. etc. I asked, Is the reason you're so upset with immigrants that have not become legal yet because of corporate greed, that wants to keep their wages slave wages, and not at least the minimum wage?

Come on, Report and Deport, you can't be saying that every undocumented immigrant is a child molester. You are sounding more and more like you're not just apposed to undocumented immigrants for corporate greed reasons, but for personal racist reasons. Surely something must have happened to you, Report and Deport, maybe something happened in your life that made you so verbally abusive (hateful) towards these poor people. And, I would not say that your sick stories that you apparently enjoy collecting, represent proof that immigrants want to live here illegally to receive substandard wages. I don't think you read my prior post very well. If you did, than answer intelligently, not with a bunch of your favorite sick crime stories.


WHYYYYY do people keep asking me this same garbage over and over again? How many times do I have to explain that we have LAWS intended to PROTECT us?

ILLEGAL ALIENS: HUMAN SMUGGLERS and deported, returning CHILD MOLESTER arrested in Arizona (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/illegal-aliens-human-smugglers-and-deported-returning-child-molester-arrested-in-arizona)
ILLEGAL ALIEN SODOMIZES BOY, Gets 50 Years in Prison (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/illegal-alien-sodomizes-boy-gets-50-years-in-prison)
ILLEGAL ALIEN arranges SEX WITH 10y.o. and other has KIDDIE PORN COLLECTION (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/illegal-alien-arranges-sex-with-10yo-and-other-has-kiddie-porn-collection)
Illegal Aliens ARE “illiterate peasants”: In support of Douglas Bruce (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/illegal-aliens-are-illiterate-peasants-in-support-of-douglas-bruce)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, 44 y.o. ILLEGAL ALIEN RAPES 15 y.o. GIRL (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/in-an-absolut-world-44-yo-illegal-alien-rapes-15-yo-girl)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, ILLEGAL ALIENS STAB MOTHER TO DEATH (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/in-an-absolut-world-illegal-aliens-stab-mother-to-death)
IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD, ILLEGAL ALIEN RAPES GIRL (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/19/in-an-absolut-world-illegal-alien-rapes-girl)
After sending Border patrol Agents to prison, illegal alien pleads guilty to DRUG SMUGGLING (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/after-sending-border-patrol-agents-to-prison-illegal-alien-pleads-guilty-to-drug-smuggling)
ILLEGAL ALIEN Restaurant Owner pays to have MORE ILLEGALS SMUGGLED IN (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/illegal-alien-restaurant-owner-pays-to-have-more-illegals-smuggled-in)
DEPORTED ILLEGALS RE-ARRESTED for Crystal Meth, plus FUGITIVE ALIENS arrested and RELEASED (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/deported-illegals-re-arrested-for-crystal-meth-plus-fugitive-aliens-arrested-and-released)
Bush Fails in Attempt to Save Murderer (https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bush-fails-in-attempt-to-save-murderer-from-mexico)

[Reportanddeport]

I am dedicated to getting rid of illegal aliens of all races and from all countries. If you want to call it "obsessed", then do what you gotta do. The immigration status of the criminals I report on was not determined by me, it was already in the reports I found and I use those reports to make my point as to why the borders should be secured and as to how illegal aliens are dangerous and why they should be arrested and deported.

I established www.reportanddeport.org (https://www.reportanddeport.org) two years ago as a standalone website and I have been in the process of transferring it over to a blog for the past few months.

The links are my own personal collections of reports I gathered from news agencies all over the United States and I have included links to the original stories on all of the pages in my collection.

I believe it is absolutely ESSENTIAL to record and document something if you are to make a case against it. You MUST be able to DEMONSTRATE what you are talking about, NOT merely express your feelings about something.

You can collect whatever reports you want to make your point. The fact that illegal aliens are not the only people who commit crimes is no reason to not try to prevent illegal immigration nor to not arrest and deport illegal aliens. But I focus on illegal aliens because the crimes they commit are 100% PREVENTABLE and because I deeply resent the fact that illegal aliens are the only class of criminals in the United States that may actually be REWARDED for committing crimes. American citizens and legal immigrants are expected to obey the law and carry a legitimate ID and pay taxes and are subject to arrest and prosecution, while illegal aliens are NOT required to pay taxes, nor prove who they are and are actually GIVEN SPECIAL LEGAL PROTECTIONS FROM IDENTIFICATION AND PROSECUTION. The corporate greed in regards to the hiring of illegal aliens is something that I state because it SEEMS like the kind of thing that a Liberal would oppose, so I previously stated that to reach the minds of Libs. But it is only PART of why I object to illegal immigration. And I am in the position where I and millions of other U.S. citizens and law-obeying, intending immigrants all over the world may be made UTTER FOOLS by the granting of visas to illegal aliens while doing NOTHING for the people who's paid petitions gather dust on government shelves.

I can't comprehend how the AMERICAN PEOPLE would embrace the granting of visas to illegal aliens while burning those who tried to do it THE RIGHT WAY.

Not all illegal aliens are child molesters but such child molestation can be prevented by preventing illegal immigration. But as I've stated above, the prevention of crime is not the only reason to prevent illegal immigration.

"Personal racist reasons"? I guess in your mind that your accusations of racism will outweigh the reasons I've already given. The "R" word is like a magic, cure-all word in the minds of some people. But the "R" word is only successful if you use it against people who are weak and confused and actually afraid of being called a "racist". No, I am not a racist, and no amount of accusations will ever make me one.

I CAN'T read all the book-length posts that appear in this forum. I try to respond point to point whenever I can, but it's not always possible and some things just aren't WORTH my time.

It seems to me that if you REALLY cared about immigrants, then you'd be trying to help those who obeyed the law, instead of attacking ME.





Wow. Report and deport is REALLY obsessed with finding horrible crimes commited by Hispanic immigrants that are so called illegal. He even has his own website about it, and everyone of his links leads to his own personal collection of these horrible stories. I mean I could sit there and find the same horrible type crime stories committed by persons anywhere on this planet, but who has the time (or wants to focus on such negative garb)?

I do have the time however, (sometimes) to address issues right in my community, and Report and Deport did NOT answer my question this time. I was hoping I could reach him with the fact that he's married to an immigrant, and you would think he should really be on the side of the immigrant because of his hard story, etc. etc. I asked, Is the reason you're so upset with immigrants that have not become legal yet because of corporate greed, that wants to keep their wages slave wages, and not at least the minimum wage?

Come on, Report and Deport, you can't be saying that every undocumented immigrant is a child molester. You are sounding more and more like you're not just apposed to undocumented immigrants for corporate greed reasons, but for personal racist reasons. Surely something must have happened to you, Report and Deport, maybe something happened in your life that made you so verbally abusive (hateful) towards these poor people. And, I would not say that your sick stories that you apparently enjoy collecting, represent proof that immigrants want to live here illegally to receive substandard wages. I don't think you read my prior post very well. If you did, than answer intelligently, not with a bunch of your favorite sick crime stories.

[Lenny]

Does ANY good Liberal remember when Libs used to be OPPOSED to corporate welfare? Does ANY good Liberal remember when Libs used to be OPPOSED to anything less than a living wage? WHAT HAPPENED to those days and those Libs?
TODAY'S LIBS are sooooo content to let the corps profit from illegal labor and the Libs are jumping on the profits bandwagon too. Times, they are achangin'.

Right on the money there!
The new brown slaves are grateful for their lower wages spun by the corporate giants. They have more "know how" to live on a few cents than the natives here! And send money home! The "progressives" around here WANT to have a decent cause, and follow anything that does not reflect back on their "collective" white guilt. They are hurting with all the bad they see in the world and feel powerless to do anything about it and know that they are wealthy, but don't want to give that up.
Problem is: the language. First, stay on topic and call them what the government calls them: NONIMMIGRANTS. That IS what they are; the "illegal" word is kind of backasswards and casts problems on the approach to the subject. Just trying to help. Of course, call them what you want, and we are ALL sure you will. But know this: every thing is in the language.
Liberals are as "liberal" as George Bush is a "conservative".
So NO ONE IS WHO THEY APPEAR TO BE. They changed the language while you were busy living. Sorry.
Now you can adapt, which does not appear to easily from the posts you've made. Or you can enter the world of Don Quixote and tilt at things no one else agrees to see. Keep up the good fight. I'll help you when I can see those things. :2cents:
Oh, and breath deeply, slowly when you can, and through your nose, if able.

[MsTerry]

Wow. Report and deport is REALLY obsessed with finding horrible crimes commited by Hispanic immigrants that are so called illegal.

People obsessed with other people's crimes are on the whole doing this to distract from the crimes they have or are committing themselves.
George Bush and Spitzer are perfect public examples of this.
The two anti-humanity clowns we have visiting on Wacco are the kind of people who would have turned in Jews hiding in people's homes during WW2. Under the guise of "it's against the law" they are able to exercise their innate racism.
The word "deport" of course is used because of it's connotation with "deportation-camp", that is no accident.

[Sabrina]

Thanks Ms Terry,
This is a very good point, and the guy is starting to scare me a bit, as he never really quite tells the truth of where he's coming from. The issue concerns me deeply, but I think the guy is mostly a waste of time, accept that the dialog does allow for some interesting and useful education.


People obsessed with other people's crimes are on the whole doing this to distract from the crimes they have or are committing themselves.
George Bush and Spitzer are perfect public examples of this.
The two anti-humanity clowns we have visiting on Wacco are the kind of people who would have turned in Jews hiding in people's homes during WW2. Under the guise of "it's against the law" they are able to exercise their innate racism.
The word "deport" of course is used because of it's connotation with "deportation-camp", that is no accident.

[Sabrina]

I appreciate you getting back to me, item by item (pretty much) but I have to say, I'm not trying to atack you personally, but I take issue with your stand. Do you really think that the thousands of people at the march were immigrants without US documentation? Of course not. They were mostly people who care about immigrant's HUMAN rights whether they are documented or undocumented. They were also talking about the horrible harassement and racial profiling that goes on here in Sonoma County whether someone is American or not, mostly based on the color of ones skin.

Today I witnessed a couple of cops needlessly harass an hispanic man. I have no idea as to whether he was legally here or not, but he committed no crime. The cops on bikes spead up to his bike and stopped him (we were all in a park). They began asking him what his name was, how old he was, where he was coming from and where he was going. Then they proceeded to search him even going into his pockets. When they found nothing, they just let him go. This is the kind of racial profiling harassment that was being spoken about at the rally. That could have been you or me or your wife being harassed for no reason, and actually if it were me, I would have been truly terrorized. Maybe you would allow them to search and harass your wife like that because you would say, "well, honey stand by, it's the law". I think Ms. Terri is on to something about the type of person you may be, the type who would turn Jews in to Hitler because it's the law, back in WW2.

Report and Deport, I have to say, you are appearing more and more like an Alien to the human race! (that should be illegal!) Actually you're kind of like a body part that thinks it's disconnected from it's body...(if you ARE human) If this is so, then you need help...because the earth is only one. We are one, and I'm trying to bring you back...but then again maybe it's impossible if you are an Alien. Even the name "Report and Deport" sounds like "R 2 D 2" or something, out of this world.




I am dedicated to getting rid of illegal aliens of all races and from all countries. If you want to call it "obsessed", then do what you gotta do. The immigration status of the criminals I report on was not determined by me, it was already in the reports I found and I use those reports to make my point as to why the borders should be secured and as to how illegal aliens are dangerous and why they should be arrested and deported.

I established www.reportanddeport.org (https://www.reportanddeport.org) two years ago as a standalone website and I have been in the process of transferring it over to a blog for the past few months.

The links are my own personal collections of reports I gathered from news agencies all over the United States and I have included links to the original stories on all of the pages in my collection.

I believe it is absolutely ESSENTIAL to record and document something if you are to make a case against it. You MUST be able to DEMONSTRATE what you are talking about, NOT merely express your feelings about something.

You can collect whatever reports you want to make your point. The fact that illegal aliens are not the only people who commit crimes is no reason to not try to prevent illegal immigration nor to not arrest and deport illegal aliens. But I focus on illegal aliens because the crimes they commit are 100% PREVENTABLE and because I deeply resent the fact that illegal aliens are the only class of criminals in the United States that may actually be REWARDED for committing crimes. American citizens and legal immigrants are expected to obey the law and carry a legitimate ID and pay taxes and are subject to arrest and prosecution, while illegal aliens are NOT required to pay taxes, nor prove who they are and are actually GIVEN SPECIAL LEGAL PROTECTIONS FROM IDENTIFICATION AND PROSECUTION. The corporate greed in regards to the hiring of illegal aliens is something that I state because it SEEMS like the kind of thing that a Liberal would oppose, so I previously stated that to reach the minds of Libs. But it is only PART of why I object to illegal immigration. And I am in the position where I and millions of other U.S. citizens and law-obeying, intending immigrants all over the world may be made UTTER FOOLS by the granting of visas to illegal aliens while doing NOTHING for the people who's paid petitions gather dust on government shelves.

I can't comprehend how the AMERICAN PEOPLE would embrace the granting of visas to illegal aliens while burning those who tried to do it THE RIGHT WAY.

Not all illegal aliens are child molesters but such child molestation can be prevented by preventing illegal immigration. But as I've stated above, the prevention of crime is not the only reason to prevent illegal immigration.

"Personal racist reasons"? I guess in your mind that your accusations of racism will outweigh the reasons I've already given. The "R" word is like a magic, cure-all word in the minds of some people. But the "R" word is only successful if you use it against people who are weak and confused and actually afraid of being called a "racist". No, I am not a racist, and no amount of accusations will ever make me one.

I CAN'T read all the book-length posts that appear in this forum. I try to respond point to point whenever I can, but it's not always possible and some things just aren't WORTH my time.

It seems to me that if you REALLY cared about immigrants, then you'd be trying to help those who obeyed the law, instead of attacking ME.

[Valley Oak]

We should report and deport R&D!

Edward

[PeriodThree]

I don't quite understand why anyone is engaging with you on this.

People are not 'pus.' You, on the other hand, hold views which make me feel ill.



I'M going to labor on getting your PUS out of my country.

[Sabrina]

Yes , because R & D stands for R2 D2. REmember him from Starwars? He's now an illegal Robot Alien from outerspace that needs to be sent back to the Universe for recycling!


We should report and deport R&D!

Edward

[phooph]

An explanation: "Dogma demands authority, rather than intelligent thought, as the source of opinion; it requires persecution of heretics and hostility to unbelievers; it asks of its disciples that they should inhibit natural kindliness in favor of systematic hatred" - Bertrand Russell


I don't quite understand why anyone is engaging with you on this.

People are not 'pus.' You, on the other hand, hold views which make me feel ill.

[Lorrie]

The latest telephone poll taken by the Texas Governor's office asked whether people who live in Texas think illegal immigration is a serious problem:

29% of respondents answered: 'Yes, it is a serious problem.'

71% of respondents answered: 'No es una problema seriosa.'





ha ha

[Reportanddeport]

I do not know the immigration status of anyone at the march. Do YOU? OF COURSE NOT. Do you CARE? OF COURSE NOT. Because ANYONE that you can get on the communist side is good enough for you, to pretend that it is about "human rights".

But being in the U.S.A. is NOT a basic HUMAN right, that is only the right of U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.
NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD considers it a basic, "human right", for the rest of the world to enter their territory as the WORLD sees fit.

NOT EVEN KARL MARX HIMSELF advocated a world without countries until AFTER each country had turned to Communism on it's own. Have you even READ the Communist Manifesto? I HAVE.

The march was to demand amnesty for illegal aliens.

There is no "horrible harassment and racial profiling that goes on here in Sonoma County" that I know of. Sonoma County is a county of trigger-happy and hyper-aggressive cops that hassle EVERYONE. Sonoma County has the highest death-by-law-enforcement rate in California.

1 1/2 years ago my wife and I were sleeping in our car in a church parking lot at 10:30 in the morning, when I was awoken by a knocking on the window. I looked out the window to see a gun pointed at my face, six inches away from me. There was ANOTHER STUPID FUCKING IDIOT SONOMA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY POINTING A GUN AT MY WIFE. They ordered us out of the car and soon as we stepped onto the ground, they grabbed us and twisted my arms behind my back VERY FORCEFULLY, DOING THE SAME THING TO MY TINY WIFE. They slammed us against the car and started searching us. They accused us of burglary, and said that the night before there was a burglary at the electrical sub-station next door and that we were suspects and they wanted to search our car. I asked them, "who would be so stupid as to commit a burglary and then STICK AROUND?" They said they thought it was ME. They asked to search my car for burglary tools and stolen copper. I asked, "you have enough to go on to pull us out at gunpoint, but NOT enough to go on to search my car on your own?" They said YES. As they ran our licenses, I told them what I thought of them at top of my lungs. They said I have a "bad attitude". THEY wake us up at gunpoint and I guess they think I should be happy about it.

In the past 2 1/2 years, I have been pulled over or had cops hassling me and demanding ID about 20 times in Sonoma County.

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES in Sonoma County are TOTALLY OVERDOING it on EVERYONE. So I am not aware of them singling out Hispanics or any other ethnic group. And they have NEVER asked Maria nor myself about our immigration status. They never ask to see her green card.

Cops do the stupid shit they do because there is no civilian review board. Cops are supervised by OTHER COPS, which is like a drunk running an alcoholism treatment center. Complaining to a cop about a cop is like complaining to Bib Laden about Al Qaeda. And as long as the AMERICAN PEOPLE don't wake up to the excessive power and legal protection cops have and the lack of proper supervision, then the abuse by cops will never stop.

But just because cops hassle a Hispanic person does not mean that they did it BECAUSE he or she is Hispanic, NOR should cops give Hispanic people a special allowance to break laws.

I have here three videos I shot myself that are examples of racism, racial profiling and racial hatred:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J97taOrH8eo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p68BiYzihM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWMJMN3Jl8
The horrible lies and false accusations you make have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY I LIVE MY LIFE NOR RUN MY MIND. A false accusation does not stop becoming a lie, just because you keep repeating it.


I appreciate you getting back to me, item by item (pretty much) but I have to say, I'm not trying to atack you personally, but I take issue with your stand. Do you really think that the thousands of people at the march were immigrants without US documentation? Of course not. They were mostly people who care about immigrant's HUMAN rights whether they are documented or undocumented. They were also talking about the horrible harassment and racial profiling that goes on here in Sonoma County whether someone is American or not, mostly based on the color of ones skin.

Today I witnessed a couple of cops needlessly harass an hispanic man. I have no idea as to whether he was legally here or not, but he committed no crime. The cops on bikes spead up to his bike and stopped him (we were all in a park). They began asking him what his name was, how old he was, where he was coming from and where he was going. Then they proceeded to search him even going into his pockets. When they found nothing, they just let him go. This is the kind of racial profiling harassment that was being spoken about at the rally. That could have been you or me or your wife being harassed for no reason, and actually if it were me, I would have been truly terrorized. Maybe you would allow them to search and harass your wife like that because you would say, "well, honey stand by, it's the law". I think Ms. Terri is on to something about the type of person you may be, the type who would turn Jews in to Hitler because it's the law, back in WW2.

Report and Deport, I have to say, you are appearing more and more like an Alien to the human race! (that should be illegal!) Actually you're kind of like a body part that thinks it's disconnected from it's body...(if you ARE human) If this is so, then you need help...because the earth is only one. We are one, and I'm trying to bring you back...but then again maybe it's impossible if you are an Alien. Even the name "Report and Deport" sounds like "R 2 D 2" or something, out of this world.

[thewholetruth]

The latest telephone poll taken by the Texas Governor's office asked whether people who live in Texas think illegal immigration is a serious problem:

29% of respondents answered: 'Yes, it is a serious problem.'

71% of respondents answered: 'No es una problema seriosa.'





ha ha

That's hilarious, Lorrie!

Don

[Reportanddeport]

Your post was the first I've heard of the word, "nonimmigrant". It is my understanding that the term, "illegal alien", is a legal and government word, and that the reason people want the use of it stopped is because it's too honest and descriptive. How can you take action against illegal aliens if there AREN'T ANY illegal aliens? PRETENDING is paramount when criminals are trying to get away with something.
The word, "ALIEN", appeared in big, block letters at the top of the original, "green card", back when a green card was actually green.
An alternative suggested a year ago was, "unidentified foreign national", which is descriptive and accurate. But it's too long. I'm going to stick with ILLEGAL ALIEN for several reasons, mostly because it's accurate and descriptive.
"Liberals" to ME are those people who value their own feelings and opinions over any facts that would tend to change or invalidate those feelings and opinions. Yes, Liberals tried to cleanse their image by calling themselves, "Progressives", but that does not change their nature of hostility to dissent and love of obstructionism.

I really have no choice but to adapt, as the world will not adapt to ME.

I am conditioned to confrontation. We all have our own life paths, and mine has lead me to be able to thrive under extreme stress. I am OK.


Right on the money there!
The new brown slaves are grateful for their lower wages spun by the corporate giants. They have more "know how" to live on a few cents than the natives here! And send money home! The "progressives" around here WANT to have a decent cause, and follow anything that does not reflect back on their "collective" white guilt. They are hurting with all the bad they see in the world and feel powerless to do anything about it and know that they are wealthy, but don't want to give that up.
Problem is: the language. First, stay on topic and call them what the government calls them: NONIMMIGRANTS. That IS what they are; the "illegal" word is kind of backasswards and casts problems on the approach to the subject. Just trying to help. Of course, call them what you want, and we are ALL sure you will. But know this: every thing is in the language.
Liberals are as "liberal" as George Bush is a "conservative".
So NO ONE IS WHO THEY APPEAR TO BE. They changed the language while you were busy living. Sorry.
Now you can adapt, which does not appear to easily from the posts you've made. Or you can enter the world of Don Quixote and tilt at things no one else agrees to see. Keep up the good fight. I'll help you when I can see those things. :2cents:
Oh, and breath deeply, slowly when you can, and through your nose, if able.

[Reportanddeport]

I assume people see me as a threat to illegal hiring. So they are trying to portray me as a racist, to prevent third parties from turning against illegal hiring, tax evasion, illegal immigration and illegal aliens.

And then a few just CAN'T STAND that someone dissents and disagrees, so I gotta be smacked down. That smackdown is IRRESISTABLE.


I don't quite understand why anyone is engaging with you on this.

People are not 'pus.' You, on the other hand, hold views which make me feel ill.

[MsTerry]

Dear Jeff Wilson,

This is what you put in your profile:

I am married to an immigrant, a legal and REAL immigrant.
I am hateful and violent and I need counseling. I am a visitor from jail and from a futuristic, post-apocalyptic world.

Since you have been in jail, can you tell us what kind of crimes you have committed sofar in your life?
I think it would help us all to understand where you are coming from.
Thanks in advance.





I assume people see me as a threat to illegal hiring. So they are trying to portray me as a racist, to prevent third parties from turning against illegal hiring, tax evasion, illegal immigration and illegal aliens.

And then a few just CAN'T STAND that someone dissents and disagrees, so I gotta be smacked down. That smackdown is IRRESISTABLE.

[Zeno Swijtink]

The latest telephone poll taken by the Texas Governor's office asked whether people who live in Texas think illegal immigration is a serious problem:

29% of respondents answered: 'Yes, it is a serious problem.'

71% of respondents answered: 'No es una problema seriosa.'



This joke gets another texture put side by side with a quote from President Ulysses S. Grant who wrote in his Memoirs, published in 1885, that:




"Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory." (source (https://www.fadedgiant.net/html/grant_ulysses_s_quotes_west_po.htm))

Texas, and California, were taken from Mexico in a war considered by Grant to be an unjust war.

So where desistandresist writes


But being in the U.S.A. is NOT a basic HUMAN right, that is only the right of U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

Grant would respond: "Being in California or Texas is NOT a basic HUMAN right, that is only the right of Mexican citizens and legal immigrants."

For Mexicans "illegal immigration" may just be a form of homecoming.

[Zeno Swijtink]

Dear Jeff Wilson,

This is what you put in your profile:


I am married to an immigrant, a legal and REAL immigrant.
I am hateful and violent and I need counseling. I am a visitor from jail and from a futuristic, post-apocalyptic world.

Since you have been in jail, can you tell us what kind of crimes you have committed sofar in your life?
I think it would help us all to understand where you are coming from.
Thanks in advance.

It's sarcasm, sporting words, thrown at him by others, as a badge of honor.

The words "a visitor from jail and from a futuristic, post-apocalyptic world" were mine.

[Sabrina]

This is the problem. This guy is teetering on sato masichims. (spelling?) He enjoys it when anyone pokes at his position. He doesn't really want to engage in intellectual and educational discussion, he just wants to keep saying the inflamatory remarks about "liberals" and "progressives" and the "commies" and the aliens, etc. So far I really see NO reason for him to be so apposed to immigrants, none of his arguements make any sense. If he cared more about his "legal" Alien wife and the treatment they had from INS and the mistreatment with the cops (at gun point!), he'd be fighting harder to help immigrants be here safely / legally. Something must have happened to him to make him so hateful...perhaps in jail? Maybe he needs a scapegoat. Being as I'm also interested in the psychosis of people, and this guy has plopped into our community....(he truley is an alien here). After a while....he does get tiring though, being as he admits to be Angry and violent, a former criminal needing counciling...perhaps a bit scarry. I wonder what his wife is like. What's your wife like Report and Deport? Does she know about all this discussion?


I assume people see me as a threat to illegal hiring. So they are trying to portray me as a racist, to prevent third parties from turning against illegal hiring, tax evasion, illegal immigration and illegal aliens.

And then a few just CAN'T STAND that someone dissents and disagrees, so I gotta be smacked down. That smackdown is IRRESISTABLE.

[MsTerry]

OK, does that mean he is not married to an immigrant too?


It's sarcasm, sporting words thrown at him by others as a badge of honor.

The words "a visitor from jail and from a futuristic, post-apocalyptic world" were mine.

[Sabrina]

I want to ad to this thread this great thing someone had on another thread...that may not have as many readers as this thread. It was posted by Peace Seeker. I just added myself and sent it to every one in my mail box that's hopefully not already reading this on wacco:

Peace Seeker wrote: https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/orangebuttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=56748#post56748)
I just found a great on-line project, set up by the Southern Poverty Law Center called "Stand Strong Against Hate".

You can include yourself on an online map of people in the U.S. standing against prejudice.

Go to https://www.splcenter.org/center/petitions/standstrong/

Enter your name, eMail address and Zip Code (this is kept confidential).

As people sign up, a map of the US gets shaded - by county -- into deeper and deeper shades of green (by "density" of supporters). This green overlay is placed over a U.S. map that already has red dots for the HQs of known US hate groups.

It's a relief to see the two displays combined, and be reminded that for each of these hate groups there are hundreds of determined people of good will going on record to stand for humane values.

I just entered my name. I immediately got this great (automated) response:

Thank you for standing strong against hate, David.

Standing strong with you are:
80 of your neighbors in SONOMA County
2073 fellow residents of CALIFORNIA. Good News indeed!

If everyone on WaccoBB who shares Southern Poverty Law Center's vision of a humane, tolerant nationa signed in, we'd REALLY see a high number for Sonoma County!

David



OK, does that mean he is not married to an immigrant too?

[Reportanddeport]

YOU have been around long enough to recognize the nonsense people here throw at me. So I figured I'd have some fun and put the crap they say about me on my profile.




Dear Jeff Wilson,

This is what you put in your profile:


Since you have been in jail, can you tell us what kind of crimes you have committed sofar in your life?
I think it would help us all to understand where you are coming from.
Thanks in advance.

[MsTerry]

Well, I can understand that, but you also stated in the same paragraph that you were married to a now legal alien. Was that nonsense too?
Don has admitted to have been a law breaker for a long time, despite his 12 step program, I don't think he has ever confessed his crimes to a police officer and done time for it.
Do you have a similar past?
Where you turned your life around and turned away from your crime-filled past?



YOU have been around long enough to recognize the nonsense people here throw at me. So I figured I'd have some fun and put the crap they say about me on my profile.

[Reportanddeport]

Ya know. dictionary.com can help you with your spelling.

OF COURSE I enjoy the nonsense. GAAAAAAWD, the stuff you say is so STUPID, that HOW CAN I TAKE IT SERIOUSLY?

When someone is SERIOUS and REALISTIC about something, I ALWAYS engage them in a serious and responsible manner.

Yes, I snipe at Libs, because Libs don't see light, they only FEEL PAIN. STRAIGHT TALK doesn't reach a Libs mind, so you will get what you have brought upon yourself. I think you need to be a crime victim. The more painful and unfair and unjust, THE BETTER.

"So far I really see NO reason for him to be so apposed to immigrants, none of his arguements make any sense."
https://reportanddeport.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/rapes-by-illegal-aliens-27-yo-rapes-13-yo-18-yo-rapesimpregnates-11yoand-10-yo-has-baby-of-37-yo-rapist/
Thanks to President Bush and his open borders/open pants policy, a 10 year old girl has had a cesarean section to end her pregnancy caused when she was raped by 37 year old illegal alien, Guadalupe Gutierrez-Juarez.
Also taking advantage of America’s welcome to international, sexual predators, 18 year old, Enrique Jacobo-Valdez, raped his way to fatherhood, impregnating an 11 year old.
Meanwhile, international rapist and illegal alien, 27 year old, Francisco Torres Landeros, claims it was consensual after helping himself to a 13 year old. Officers were told that Landeros was found in the bedroom closet naked and that he ran out of the house after being discovered.
I have heard of Bangkok, Thailand as being a child rape mecca, but it seems as if the United States of America is becoming a world leader in the international, sexual abuse of children, which is the inevitable outcome of President Bush’s plan to lower American wages and please Big Business.




This is the problem. This guy is teetering on sato masichims. (spelling?) He enjoys it when anyone pokes at his position. He doesn't really want to engage in intellectual and educational discussion, he just wants to keep saying the inflamatory remarks about "liberals" and "progressives" and the "commies" and the aliens, etc. So far I really see NO reason for him to be so apposed to immigrants, none of his arguements make any sense. If he cared more about his "legal" Alien wife and the treatment they had from INS and the mistreatment with the cops (at gun point!), he'd be fighting harder to help immigrants be here safely / legally. Something must have happened to him to make him so hateful...perhaps in jail? Maybe he needs a scapegoat. Being as I'm also interested in the psychosis of people, and this guy has plopped into our community....(he truley is an alien here). After a while....he does get tiring though, being as he admits to be Angry and violent, a former criminal needing counciling...perhaps a bit scarry. I wonder what his wife is like. What's your wife like Report and Deport? Does she know about all this discussion?

[Braggi]

Come on now Braggi
When did you ever ask Donc-y and Repent or Die to delete a post?
...

I guess I expect better from you Wacco veterans.

We should be setting a better example, don't you think?

-Jeff

[kpage9]

you said it...




And then a few just CAN'T STAND that someone dissents and disagrees, so I gotta be smacked down. That smackdown is IRRESISTABLE.

[Zeno Swijtink]

You can collect whatever reports you want to make your point. The fact that illegal aliens are not the only people who commit crimes is no reason to not try to prevent illegal immigration nor to not arrest and deport illegal aliens. But I focus on illegal aliens because the crimes they commit are 100% PREVENTABLE (...)
Not all illegal aliens are child molesters but such child molestation can be prevented by preventing illegal immigration.



Jeff,

I see you realize that one can collect the same stories about taxidermists or ice cream vendors committing horrible crimes.

And these crimes are equally preventable! By outlawing ice cream no crimes will be committed by ice cream vendors. Stop stuffing animals and you stop crimes committed by animal stuffers.

To link these crimes to their status as illegal immigrants you need to do more. You need to show that these crimes are committed because these people have no documents.

[MsTerry]

That is answering a Question with a question.
Jeff, I hope you realize by now that some people don't post to contribute but only want to dictate. Dodge and Burn.


I guess I expect better from you Wacco veterans.

We should be setting a better example, don't you think?

-Jeff

[Reportanddeport]

My wife has been a legal alien from the moment she stepped foot into the U.S. Since we were married for at least two years prior to her entry into the U.S., she qualified for immediate, Legal Permanent Resident status upon entry. I NEVER said she was once an illegal alien, I have only said that she was and is an alien.

I know nothing about Don's criminal past, not does it concern me. I have no criminal past. And of course if I HAD a criminal past, then Maria never would have gotten her visa.

Is this the way you conduct your personal and professional life too, always looking for a cheap shot to take or a hateful question to ask?


Well, I can understand that, but you also stated in the same paragraph that you were married to a now legal alien. Was that nonsense too?
Don has admitted to have been a law breaker for a long time, despite his 12 step program, I don't think he has ever confessed his crimes to a police officer and done time for it.
Do you have a similar past?
Where you turned your life around and turned away from your crime-filled past?

[Reportanddeport]

I have ALREADY STATED that the crimes I report are from news agencies all over the U.S., who have ALREADY had the immigration status of the suspects checked by law enforcement.

I have to show that illegal aliens commit crimes BECAUSE they are illegal aliens? To WHO and for WHAT REASON do I have to prove that?

I have never alleged that illegal aliens commit crimes BECAUSE they are illegal aliens, I have said that illegal aliens commit crimes and that those crimes can and should be prevented by preventing illegal immigration.

You can not prevent crime by preventing the sale of ice cream. The idea is to prevent the crimes caused by illegal aliens in the U.S. by preventing the illegal aliens from getting INTO the U.S.


Jeff,

I see you realize that one can collect the same stories about taxidermists or ice cream vendors committing horrible crimes.

And these crimes are equally preventable! By outlawing ice cream no crimes will be committed by ice cream vendors. Stop stuffing animals and you stop crimes committed by animal stuffers.

To link these crimes to their status as illegal immigrants you need to do more. You need to show that these crimes are committed because these people have no documents.

[MsTerry]

Is this the way you conduct your personal and professional life too, always looking for a cheap shot to take or a hateful question to ask?
Can you explain what you consider "always looking for a cheap shot to take or a hateful question to ask?"
It was you who posted that you were in jail and it was also you who said in the same paragraph that your wife was a legal alien.
How do I know when you are telling the truth and when not?
Maybe I misunderstood, and you were rhetorically referring to yourself when you said: "always looking for a cheap shot to take or a hateful question to ask?"

[Dynamique]

That's exactly how many of them see it. They figure they have some right to be in the western US because it was originally a Spanish territory and then part of Mexico. That's the nut of the whole "Azlatan" schtick.


For Mexicans "illegal immigration" may just be a form of homecoming.

[Lenny]

That's exactly how many of them see it. They figure they have some right to be in the western US because it was originally a Spanish territory and then part of Mexico. That's the nut of the whole "Azlatan" schtick.

That simply is the BIGGER the lie, the more often it must be told to be believed by more people.

[Lenny]

When one has crossed the border the law broken is about as serious as a traffic citation. If they do not come in front of the authorities (cops) then they've not been recognized to have broken any law. OK? So, legally, they are not ILLEGAL aliens. If they are found AND cited by the cops (because of probably cause) for being here and they don't respond, then they become an ILLEGAL ALIEN, since they have now broken a more "serious" law and, since they did not respond to the citation by showing up, a series of laws. And many jurisdiction muzzle their cops from identifying nonimmigrants without probable cause.
Actually to be here from over there is not a major deal, legally, until ANOTHER law has been broken, like not showing up to a citation for being here in the first place. But it is STILL a low level deal.
Being a NONIMMIGRANT means they don't have permission at all to be on this side of the boarder, yet are not "illegal". Minor but important point; as it's minor if your want to remain dispassionate, cool, and clear on your point. You don't seen to want to, but then that's you. I suggest you get and stay clear. If you simply want to be emotional, then you are the same as those that you don't like: liberals.
As for "extreme strees", you go, bro, but be advised, getting high on your own adrenaline rush gets old after a few years. While young, consider going back to the sand pile. Plenty of adrenaline there, guaranteed. I was a young man once, my own self. But that is just my :2cents:


Your post was the first I've heard of the word, "nonimmigrant". It is my understanding that the term, "illegal alien", is a legal and government word, and that the reason people want the use of it stopped is because it's too honest and descriptive. How can you take action against illegal aliens if there AREN'T ANY illegal aliens? PRETENDING is paramount when criminals are trying to get away with something.
The word, "ALIEN", appeared in big, block letters at the top of the original, "green card", back when a green card was actually green.
An alternative suggested a year ago was, "unidentified foreign national", which is descriptive and accurate. But it's too long. I'm going to stick with ILLEGAL ALIEN for several reasons, mostly because it's accurate and descriptive.
"Liberals" to ME are those people who value their own feelings and opinions over any facts that would tend to change or invalidate those feelings and opinions. Yes, Liberals tried to cleanse their image by calling themselves, "Progressives", but that does not change their nature of hostility to dissent and love of obstructionism. I really have no choice but to adapt, as the world will not adapt to ME. I am conditioned to confrontation. We all have our own life paths, and mine has lead me to be able to thrive under extreme stress. I am OK.

[Valley Oak]

My curiosity is piqued. Could you please elaborate on what the sand pile and the adrenaline is all about?

Edward



While young, consider going back to the sand pile. Plenty of adrenaline there, guaranteed.

[MsTerry]

You should tell that to the Israeli's!


That simply is the BIGGER the lie, the more often it must be told to be believed by more people.

[bird]

I don't think of any homo sapien as an "alien". We are all human beings with beating hearts, conscious feelings, thoughts, etc.. The use of the word "alien" in this context is completely degrading, disrespectful, self-righteous, racist crap in my opinion.
And yes - it is well documented in history that the Hispanics were in California before any Europeans came and started claiming it as their own.
I am shocked and disappointed that "west county progressive type folks" are having this type of conversation using the type of language that is totally offensive to some.
I encourage one and all the think outside their own little box and consider the larger, more complete picture (one planet, one people.....).
The economic conditions in some of the countries that folks are fleeing from are directly connected to NAFTA for one. It's really messed up our country and many others as well.
All the Best and Peace.





When one has crossed the border the law broken is about as serious as a traffic citation. If they do not come in front of the authorities (cops) then they've not been recognized to have broken any law. OK? So, legally, they are not ILLEGAL aliens. If they are found AND cited by the cops (because of probably cause) for being here and they don't respond, then they become an ILLEGAL ALIEN, since they have now broken a more "serious" law and, since they did not respond to the citation by showing up, a series of laws. And many jurisdiction muzzle their cops from identifying nonimmigrants without probable cause.
Actually to be here from over there is not a major deal, legally, until ANOTHER law has been broken, like not showing up to a citation for being here in the first place. But it is STILL a low level deal.
Being a NONIMMIGRANT means they don't have permission at all to be on this side of the boarder, yet are not "illegal". Minor but important point; as it's minor if your want to remain dispassionate, cool, and clear on your point. You don't seen to want to, but then that's you. I suggest you get and stay clear. If you simply want to be emotional, then you are the same as those that you don't like: liberals.
As for "extreme strees", you go, bro, but be advised, getting high on your own adrenaline rush gets old after a few years. While young, consider going back to the sand pile. Plenty of adrenaline there, guaranteed. I was a young man once, my own self. But that is just my :2cents:

[Sharonk2]

You should tell that to the Israeli's!
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I am new to this forum- I thought that this site would be a place where all opinions would be tolerated. Based on Freedom of speech. Where people would have an open mine to the problems of illegal immigration that some of us are facing every day. I have been in the housing industry for 16 yrs and I deal with this problem. Where the word racism wouldn't be used. I live near a border town and I can attest to alot of what has been said about illegal immigration and it's problems. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I have friends who are trying to get family members in to the USA legally- From Sweden, Africa, India, Canada, Philippines, Mexico yes some are trying to come legally and from their point of view our immigration policies discriminated against them. They see amnesty as unfair. They are standing in line to come to our great country. They have to be screened and pass our guidelines-They are paying fees and have to reapply and pay again. Last time amnesty was granted it pushed back people who were standing in line 3 yrs to allow for the illegal immigrants processing- We need fair policies. <o:p></o:p>
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People have to look at the good and the bad of this situation. Mexico is a very rich country and if we focus positive energy on fixing Mexico and making it a better place we could solve some of these problems as a win-win for everyone. Wouldn't be great if Mexico had to take responsibility for its own citizen's. If their citizen's were empowered to stand up. If Mexico had to put in infrastructure such as sewage systems, roads, housing for its people, healthcare, ect-<o:p></o:p>
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When you endorse illegal immigration many do because they hire illegal’s and do not pay into any type of healthcare plan, workman’s comp, taxes ect - you endorse people smuggling which has become big business-just as big as the illegal drug's- sweatshops, prostitution, drugs, gangs entering into this country without any recourse, you are part of the problem not the solution. <o:p></o:p>
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We have enough of our own problems 1-100 citizens are in jail-<o:p></o:p>
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Controlled immigration is not racism but a human rights issue to protect the immigrants from the people who abuse them and take large amounts of money from them to get into this country- We don't talk about the reality of illegal’s entering into this country and how they are getting here- With controlled immigration we could screen and refuse entry to anyone who is a criminal ect- We could slowdown people smuggling- ect put our energy into a fair process and stop labeling each other and pointing fingers at other issues- <o:p></o:p>
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Recently I was in Nashville Tenn- for a conference- I spoke to a young African American college grad- who was working at the hotel I stayed at- As we discussed what the future obstacles for his generation were he saw illegal imigration as a serios issue- He said the jobs that African American's used to
get in construction ect had been taken over by illegal imigrants

A week earlier I was in New Orleans- for a Women's Event to stop volience agaisnt Women & Children around the world- an amazing organization doing things around the world to stop this crisis- and empower people by changing conscienous- New Orleans was picked because of the voilence and destruction women have experinced since Katrina- I spoke to many groups of the problems and toured the areas that have never been reconstructed. These are American Citizens who ar not being heard- Jobs to rebuild their community are going to construction companies from out of the area- to people from across the border-There was story after story of locals who were in construction who are not being hired to rescontruct their own community- Who are struggling to survive. There is not a civil rights group Marching for them- The ACLU is not fighting for their rights- If you do not believe me go to there and talk to the people and see for yourself as I did- We have our problems we need to work thru before we can solve another countries problems. This is not racism- I would like to see world peace and racism ended- Racism is alive and well in the world- It comes in form of skin color, religion, race-



When large companies claim they need workers from other countries to fill positions they can't fill from our own labor pool- They have legal depts. that get Visa's for the needed workers. We know who is coming into the country and they come to fill positions that are accounted for-<o:p></o:p>
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Mexico is our border what is happening there does affect us- Let's look into real solutions and face the fact's this is a problem-

As far as the illegal's working for less than minimum wage that is not true- Their wage is $10-$20 a hr cash plus lunch and transportation- I know this for a fact- If you want to see what’s going on I urge you to go to schools, hospitals, welfare offices, social security offices, read crime reports on your own-<o:p></o:p>
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I am working with someone whole legally immigrated here 25 yrs ago from Mexico- She is proud to be an American Citizen- she left Mexico because of the corruption and racism- and the way women are treated- We need to start working on solutions that are fair to American Citizen's future immigrants and those waiting in line-

[Lenny]

My curiosity is piqued. Could you please elaborate on what the sand pile and the adrenaline is all about? Edward

Oh, Ed, give me another opportunity to be "evil"?
The sand pile is Iraq. No, I don't "support" the "war" there. Remember me? I am the Ron Paul supporter. But I do acknowledge there are some DIFFERENT people on the planet. R&D may be one young, virile man, with a lot of things he has to do before he grows up. In spite of the bumper stickers I see around town that says, "war is not the answer", I am sure they are right for asking the wrong questions. If he needs to go and do "that thing", then that sand pile is there.
Adrenaline is that rush folks feel when there is danger near. Most run FROM the danger, and that is a good thing. Some run TO the danger and that is what they consider FUN. That is what 1st responders do, and they "enjoy" it. Look around at "extreme sports" and see how young people do that, but for a few, and R&D might be one, that activity is "empty" whereas running into a burning building or entering a fracas to break up a fight may have more meaning to "society".
It's a young person thing. Nor for old farts who may not be worth much more than :2cents:

[Braggi]

... Remember me? I am the Ron Paul supporter. ...

How can you support Ron Paul? He wants to make antibiotics legal over the counter. I'm against that.

-Jeff

[handy]

How can you support Ron Paul? He wants to make antibiotics legal over the counter. I'm against that.

-Jeff
I support Dr. Paul, too.

I appreciate the fact that he expects citizens to educate themselves and be intelligent enough to take proper decisions for their own well being, without the state treating them like retarded children who require the care of nanny-politicians to keep them from hurting themselves.

Also, just for a sense of priority, is the "legality" of "drugs" Really! an issue, while we continue to send our children to murder people who have done us no harm?

[handy]

Back on subject...

https://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2008-05-08.asp

Sealed Borders Work Both Ways
by Jacob G. Hornberger

Apparently not having enough to do to keep illegal immigrants from entering the country, U.S. officials are now also spending their time looking for illegal immigrants leaving the country. According to an article entitled “Border Busts Coming and Going in the Los Angeles Times, federal customs and immigration officials are setting up random checkpoints 500 yards from the Mexican border to search vehicles leaving the United States for illegal immigrants, drugs, and other contraband. People who cannot produce their papers are taken into custody and then turned over to the Border Patrol, which then deports them a few hours later.

Apparently the idea is to send a message to illegal immigrants that the U.S. government is serious about cracking down on illegal immigration. (The message being sent to drug dealers, apparently, is: Don’t even think of removing illicit drugs from the United States.)

Pardon me for asking a discomforting question, but isn’t it likely that, like other government interventions, this measure will have an unintended consequence that is opposite to what government officials want? Once illegal immigrants realize that there is a strong likelihood of being caught returning home, wouldn’t that encourage them to remain permanently in the United States rather than return home after making some money? And wouldn’t that, in turn, induce them to smuggle their wife and children into the United States? And isn’t that the exact opposite of what U.S. officials wish to accomplish with their immigration-enforcement measures?

The U.S. checkpoints for people leaving the country should also remind Americans of something that Germans and Koreans learned long ago: a government that is sufficiently powerful to keep people out is sufficient powerful to keep people in. In a national emergency, people soon discover that enforcement measures that were previously applied to people trying to illegally enter a country can be quickly converted to apply to citizens trying to quickly get themselves, their families, and their capital out of the country. Sealed borders can seal people in as effectively as they seal people out.

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation. Send him email.

[Reportanddeport]

An alien is anyone in the United States who is not a U.S. Citizen or National. My own wife, who lives with me, is an alien. Any person in America who is not an American and has no legal right to be here is an ILLEGAL ALIEN, regardless of whether or not they have been caught by ICE or the Border Patrol.

When an illegal alien has been arrested in the U.S. by ICE, he or she may be given a chance to appear before an immigration judge and may be released. If that illegal alien does not show up for court, AT THAT POINT he or she becomes a criminal in the eyes of the law.

The act of SNEAKING INTO America or OVERSTAYING A VISA is sufficient to bring the status of ILLEGAL ALIEN, and make a person subject to arrest and removal. But defying a court order brings the status of crminal.

I married my wife in Manila, Philippines and processed her immigration case myself, without the help of a lawyer, so I know the system very well. Also, I have been an anti-illegal immigration activist for two years and I am regular touch with a LOT of organizations and individuals fighting illegal immigration.




When one has crossed the border the law broken is about as serious as a traffic citation. If they do not come in front of the authorities (cops) then they've not been recognized to have broken any law. OK? So, legally, they are not ILLEGAL aliens. If they are found AND cited by the cops (because of probably cause) for being here and they don't respond, then they become an ILLEGAL ALIEN, since they have now broken a more "serious" law and, since they did not respond to the citation by showing up, a series of laws. And many jurisdiction muzzle their cops from identifying nonimmigrants without probable cause.
Actually to be here from over there is not a major deal, legally, until ANOTHER law has been broken, like not showing up to a citation for being here in the first place. But it is STILL a low level deal.
Being a NONIMMIGRANT means they don't have permission at all to be on this side of the boarder, yet are not "illegal". Minor but important point; as it's minor if your want to remain dispassionate, cool, and clear on your point. You don't seen to want to, but then that's you. I suggest you get and stay clear. If you simply want to be emotional, then you are the same as those that you don't like: liberals.
As for "extreme strees", you go, bro, but be advised, getting high on your own adrenaline rush gets old after a few years. While young, consider going back to the sand pile. Plenty of adrenaline there, guaranteed. I was a young man once, my own self. But that is just my :2cents:

[Zeno Swijtink]

An alien is anyone in the U.S. who is not a U.S. Citizen.

It's you who is the alien. Texas and California were taken from Mexico in a war considered by one of your own presidents, Grant, to be an unjust war.

[Reportanddeport]

An alien is anyone in the U.S. who is not a U.S. Citizen. My own wife is an alien. If you want to scream and cry and rant and whine and invent new meamings about a WORD, then do whatever makes you happy.

Well, not everyone here is an America hater nor a Commie, so you're getting a diversity of opinions. You DO respect DIVERSITY, dontcha?

I DON'T CARE who was here first. I was born in California, in the U.S.A., and I DON'T need Hispanic people's PERMISSION to try to secure MY country.

If YOU feel so sorry for Hispanic poeple, then YOU wipe their butts and YOU do their laundry for them. You SHOULD be glad that the Mexicans who owned land here got to KEEP their land and the Mexican, military governor got to stay and become a U.S. Citizen and influential and powerful American politician.

I didn't start the war, I didn't ask for it, and I don't think I even APPROVE of it. But it happened, it's over and done with, and no RACE-BASED claim to title means Mexico gets title.

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE AMERICANS, GET USED TO IT!





I don't think of any homo sapien as an "alien". We are all human beings with beating hearts, conscious feelings, thoughts, etc.. The use of the word "alien" in this context is completely degrading, disrespectful, self-righteous, racist crap in my opinion.
And yes - it is well documented in history that the Hispanics were in California before any Europeans came and started claiming it as their own.
I am shocked and disappointed that "west county progressive type folks" are having this type of conversation using the type of language that is totally offensive to some.
I encourage one and all the think outside their own little box and consider the larger, more complete picture (one planet, one people.....).
The economic conditions in some of the countries that folks are fleeing from are directly connected to NAFTA for one. It's really messed up our country and many others as well.
All the Best and Peace.

[Reportanddeport]

I'M an alien? Well, GOSH, don't tell the U.S. Government that, because I told them I was born in California and I even sent them originals of my birth certificate to prove I was qualified to be the sponsor of an immigrant.
PLEEEEEASE don't tell the government I'm just an alien, or they'll disqualify my wife's entry status and they'll take her green card away and deport her.

Let's keep this our little secret. OK? :wink:



It's you who is the alien. Texas and California were taken from Mexico in a war considered by one of your own presidents, Grant, to be an unjust war.

[Zeno Swijtink]

I'M an alien? Well, GOSH, don't tell the U.S. Government that, because I told them I was born in California and I even sent them originals of my birth certificate to prove I was qualified to be the sponsor of an immigrant.
PLEEEEEASE don't tell the government I'm just an alien, or they'll disqualify my wife's entry status and they'll take her green card away and deport her.

Let's keep this our little secret. OK? :wink:

California legally still being Mexican, according to Grant, you sent your paperwork to the wrong government! :idea:

[Dynamique]

Bigger than what, exactly?

My experience and the experience of many friends and acquaintances belies that assertion. The objective of the Azlatan movement to return the western US to Mexico.


That simply is the BIGGER the lie, the more often it must be told to be believed by more people.

[Lenny]

How can you support Ron Paul? He wants to make antibiotics legal over the counter. I'm against that.-Jeff

Touche'
Now you made me wake up SWMBO by LOL.

[Lenny]

Bigger than what, exactly? My experience and the experience of many friends and acquaintances belies that assertion. The objective of the Azlatan movement to return the western US to Mexico.

Dynamique, you are going to bring tears to my eyes. Due to this medium excuse the stereotype, as that is all I can imagine you to be, an innocent, sweet, youngster, who believes her own "experiences" have all the validity of real world politic.
The "reason" that movement exists is to "balkanize" US and create division rather than unity. But as I think about it, if the folks that want this part of the USA back, would they create clean water for the greater number of people, as there is none in the "mother country". Nor is there many other things that we take for granted, existent in that country. If anything there is equality in poverty there, but not so much here.
Please, take a few days and visit down there. There is much to offer and much we can learn from that culture and their people, but that "movement" really has nothing in that arena.
Oh, and as many folks "believe" Wiki, try
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
for getting a bigger picture of the history of what was mentioned.