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handy
04-02-2008, 11:31 AM
https://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=405747

Shortly before Hurricane Katrina made landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast on the morning of Aug. 29, 2005, the chief executive officer of Wal-Mart, Lee Scott, gathered his subordinates and ordered a memorandum sent to every single regional and store manager in the imperiled area. His words were not especially exalted, but they ought to be mounted and framed on the wall of every chain retailer -- and remembered as American business's answer to the pre-battle oratory of George S. Patton or Henry V.

"A lot of you are going to have to make decisions above your level," was Scott's message to his people. "Make the best decision that you can with the information that's available to you at the time, and above all, do the right thing."

This extraordinary delegation of authority -- essentially promising unlimited support for the decision-making of employees who were earning, in many cases, less than $100,000 a year -- saved countless lives in the ensuing chaos. The results are recounted in a new paper on the disaster written by Steven Horwitz, an Austrian-school economist at St. Lawrence University in New York. While the Federal Emergency Management Agency fumbled about, doing almost as much to prevent essential supplies from reaching Louisiana and Mississippi as it could to facilitate it, Wal-Mart managers performed feats of heroism. In Kenner, La., an employee crashed a forklift through a warehouse door to get water for a nursing home. A Marrero, La., store served as a barracks for cops whose homes had been submerged. In Waveland, Miss., an assistant manager who could not reach her superiors had a bulldozer driven through the store to retrieve disaster necessities for community use, and broke into a locked pharmacy closet to obtain medicine for the local hospital.

Meanwhile, Wal-Mart trucks pre-loaded with emergency supplies at regional depots were among the first on the scene wherever refugees were being gathered by officialdom. Their main challenge, in many cases, was running a gauntlet of FEMA officials who didn't want to let them through. As the president of the brutalized Jefferson Parish put it in a Sept. 4 Meet the Press interview, speaking at the height of nationwide despair over FEMA's confused response: "If [the U.S.] government would have responded like Wal-Mart has responded, we wouldn't be in this crisis."

This benevolent improvisation contradicts everything we have been taught about Wal-Mart by labour unions and the "small-is-beautiful" left. We are told that the company thinks of its store management as a collection of cheap, brainwash-able replacement parts; that its homogenizing culture makes it incapable of serving local communities; that a sparrow cannot fall in Wal-Mart parking lot without orders from Arkansas; that the chain puts profits over people. The actual view of the company, verifiable from its disaster-response procedures, is that you can't make profits without people living in healthy communities. And it's not alone: As Horwitz points out, other big-box companies such as Home Depot and Lowe's set aside the short-term balance sheet when Katrina hit and acted to save homes and lives, handing out millions of dollars' worth of inventory for free.

No one who is familiar with economic thought since the Second World War will be surprised at this. Scholars such as F. A. von Hayek, James Buchanan and Gordon Tullock have taught us that it is really nothing more than a terminological error to label governments "public" and corporations "private" when it is the latter that often have the strongest incentives to respond to social needs. A company that alienates a community will soon be forced to retreat from it, but the government is always there. Companies must, to survive, create economic value one way or another; government employees can increase their budgets and their personal power by destroying or wasting wealth, and most may do little else. Companies have price signals to guide their productive efforts; governments obfuscate those signals.

Aside from the public vs. private issue, Horwitz suggests, decentralized disaster relief is likely to be more timely and appropriate than the centralized kind, which explains why the U.S. Coast Guard performed so much better during the disaster than FEMA. The Coast Guard, like all marine forces, necessarily leaves a great deal of authority in the hands of individual commanders, and like Wal-Mart, it benefited during and after the hurricane from having plenty of personnel who were familiar with the Gulf Coast geography and economy.

There is no substitute for local knowledge -- an ancient lesson of which Katrina merely provided the latest reminder.

mediatorguy
04-03-2008, 02:56 AM
As in most complex situations, there is no black or white answer that completely addresses all the issues here. From the story, it seems like the executive made a rare, humane statement that provided the opportunity for people to act above and beyond their daily routines to provide desperately needed help during an emergency. I applaud him and the employees who acted upon their empowerment.

At the same time, I cannot forget or condone policies and actions that have reduced the quality of life for many more people than were helped in this instance. Walmart's tight fisted control of its manufacturers has had a world wide impact in American job loss to third world countries where wages are cheaper and working conditions are unsafe, especially in terms of the exploitation of unregulated child labor.

One example of Walmart's egregious policies is displayed in their lawsuit towards a woman who was brain damaged because fine print in their health care program allows them to recoup insurance coverage if the victim receives payments in a legal settlement related to their injury. In this case, the recoupment, if upheld by the courts, will cost the woman her home. A Walmart spokesperson stated that it is an unfortunate case but there is NOTHING they can do, they must uphold their policies.

So, yes, Walmart employees are genuine heroes in their work to help Katrina victims. That does not whitewash the damaging and oppressive actions of a predatory, wealthy and bloated corporation.




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MsTerry
04-03-2008, 08:25 AM
"A lot of you are going to have to make decisions above your level," was Scott's message to his people. "Make the best decision that you can with the information that's available to you at the time, and above all, do the right thing."

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The story is extremely stingy with facts considering the "monumental efforts" it claims.
Where are the data and people that made it happen?
Why is this published in a Canadian paper?????

Lenny
04-03-2008, 10:10 AM
[quote=mediatorguy;53988]
At the same time, I cannot forget or condone policies and actions that have reduced the quality of life for many more people than were helped in this instance. Walmart's tight fisted control of its manufacturers has had a world wide impact in American job loss to third world countries where wages are cheaper and working conditions are unsafe, especially in terms of the exploitation of unregulated child labor. [quote=handy;53906]

One of the reasons I come to this site is to get help. I own no stock in Wallmart (I own no stock or such, period) but I must ask about your claim. For OUR standards, it would be child abuse to work our children, so we judge them by our view, and then condemn them. Isn't that wrong?
While I hear that in those regions, if it weren't for Walmart-types, then there would be mud eating for breakfast, lunch, with no dinner tonight. Certainly where I live a bid on a product is in the American spirit of competition. Those countries do it cheaper, and those people over there have their "standard of living" raised. As an average schmuck, Who do I believe?
Still I shop at Sebastopol Hardware, as they have EVERYTHING a guy needs, but when it comes to the war of words, how do I know you are more truthful than the other side?
I certainly take your "tight fisted" remark with a grain, as there is no corporation that will not try to be tight fisted. Just seems there fist made a newer, better mousetrap.

[quote=mediatorguy;53988] One example of Walmart's egregious policies is displayed in their lawsuit towards a woman who was brain damaged because fine print in their health care program allows them to recoup insurance coverage if the victim receives payments in a legal settlement related to their injury. In this case, the recoupment, if upheld by the courts, will cost the woman her home. A Walmart spokesperson stated that it is an unfortunate case but there is NOTHING they can do, they must uphold their policies.[quote=handy;53906]

All insurance companies have the same language, so it is not "Walmart's egregious policy" but a service that controls 70% of the money in our country.
Is it any wonder "why" the professional politicians are trying to limit damage? It will only help insurance companies get MORE money! :2cents:

handy
04-03-2008, 12:46 PM
The story is extremely stingy with facts considering the "monumental efforts" it claims.

--- I agree. Wouldn't mind reading more...

Where are the data and people that made it happen?

--- Who knows. Barely have time to read the articles. Not a high priority subject for research for me right now. But it is nice to see something get through that points to the free market doing good things.

Why is this published in a Canadian paper?????

Yeah! And why don't we hear much any more about the costs of FEMA's failures? Don't know... just muddling through...

Lenny
04-04-2008, 12:22 PM
Yeah! And why don't we hear much any more about the costs of FEMA's failures? Don't know... just muddling through...

Read BORING article about plywood. The Chinese have increased their production over 3,000%! since 2000.
Seems their curing methods utilize formaldehyde in a manner that is more than dangerous, as in deadly.

We purchased Chinese plywood and it was placed in trailers that were manufactured here in good ol' US.
Those trailers were bought (cheaply) by FEMA and used in the Katrina affair. As they sat they began to stink to death.

Now George W. gets blamed for it, but .......
Anyway, don't use plywood to build stuff that living critters are going to utilize, like bees!
'nuff. :2cents:

Moon
04-04-2008, 09:07 PM
Walmart's tight fisted control of its manufacturers has had a world wide impact in American job loss to third world countries where wages are cheaper and working conditions are unsafe, especially in terms of the exploitation of unregulated child labor.
When the US labor movement really gets smart, it will start insisting on decent pay
for a given company's workers in any country.

One of the reasons I come to this site is to get help. I own no stock in Wallmart (I own no stock or such, period) but I must ask about your claim. For OUR standards, it would be child abuse to work our children, so we judge them by our view, and then condemn them. Isn't that wrong?
Unfortunately there are, in fact, many places where children have to do paid work
instead of getting enough education to grow up and change the situation, but Wal-Mart
needn't pay them bupkes and make them work in unhealthful conditions.

While I hear that in those regions, if it weren't for Walmart-types, then there would be mud eating for breakfast, lunch, with no dinner tonight. Certainly where I live a bid on a product is in the American spirit of competition. Those countries do it cheaper, and those people over there have their "standard of living" raised. As an average schmuck, Who do I believe?
Still I shop at Sebastopol Hardware, as they have EVERYTHING a guy needs, but when it comes to the war of words, how do I know you are more truthful than the other side?
Do your own research.

I certainly take your "tight fisted" remark with a grain, as there is no corporation that will not try to be tight fisted. Just seems there fist made a newer, better mousetrap.


One example of Walmart's egregious policies is displayed in their lawsuit towards a woman who was brain damaged because fine print in their health care program allows them to recoup insurance coverage if the victim receives payments in a legal settlement related to their injury. In this case, the recoupment, if upheld by the courts, will cost the woman her home. A Walmart spokesperson stated that it is an unfortunate case but there is NOTHING they can do, they must uphold their policies.[quote=handy;53906]

All insurance companies have the same language, so it is not "Walmart's egregious policy" but a service that controls 70% of the money in our country.
True, all insurance companies do have the same language, but i've never heard
of any company other than Wal-Mart that personal injury lawyers refuse to handle a
claim against just because the company routinely denies all claims and insists
on going to court, no matter how obviously the store was at fault.

I second the applause for the individual Wal-Mart employees who did so much
for people during the Katrina disaster. It would be interesting to know their names
and see whether they still have their jobs in another year or two.

Is it any wonder "why" the professional politicians are trying to limit damage? It will only help insurance companies get MORE money! :2cents: