Using the 'Ignore list'

[Valley Oak]

I have just had the pleasure of using the 'Ignore list' for the second time, and it feels great! I always wanted to know what it was like to use this great list that so many people have put me on. Mind you, this is the second time I have used it but on the first occasion, I eventually took that person off because he/she redeemed themselves. I don't think I'm going to be doing that for the second individual.

Wouldn't it be interesting for every Wacco member to have a record of how many folks have put them on their ignore list? That would be a very visible vote of confidence and extend the effect of the ignore list to a new level, to everyone's benefit, including the ignoree.

Edward

[MsTerry]

Telling someone that you are ignoring them sounds like an oxymoron to me
I do have noticed though that several people have felt this need to publicly announce that they are ignoring someone.
It feels that this is more a case of self-righteousness that springs forth out of a sense of being better than someone else



I have just had the pleasure of using the 'Ignore list' for the second time, and it feels great! I always wanted to know what it was like to use this great list that so many people have put me on. Mind you, this is the second time I have used it but on the first occasion, I eventually took that person off because he/she redeemed themselves. I don't think I'm going to be doing that for the second individual.

Wouldn't it be interesting for every Wacco member to have a record of how many folks have put them on their ignore list? That would be a very visible vote of confidence and extend the effect of the ignore list to a new level, to everyone's benefit, including the ignoree.

Edward

[thewholetruth]

I have to agree, MsTerry. Telling them is a passive/aggressive way of getting the last word. Yay. Who cares, really. LOL

I've noticed that intelligent, emotionally mature people enjoy back and forth discussion, while the not so intelligent, immature people simply can't tolerate anyone disagreeing with them or even questioning their statements.

It's one thing when someone harrasses you or calls you names. It's something else entirely when they're simply disagreeing and you can't take it.



Telling someone that you are ignoring them sounds like an oxymoron to me
I do have noticed though that several people have felt this need to publicly announce that they are ignoring someone.
It feels that this is more a case of self-righteousness that springs forth out of a sense of being better than someone else

[Valley Oak]

I think you've got a point there, Ms Terry. I will try and delete the post if Barry lets me.

Edward


Telling someone that you are ignoring them sounds like an oxymoron to me
I do have noticed though that several people have felt this need to publicly announce that they are ignoring someone.
It feels that this is more a case of self-righteousness that springs forth out of a sense of being better than someone else

[thewholetruth]

Hi Valley Oak,

I don't know you but I know I responded to a couple of your posts today. Did I offend you in some way? That is, is it my post that you want deleted?



I think you've got a point there, Ms Terry. I will try and delete the post if Barry lets me.

Edward

[MsTerry]

I hope you don't delete it.
It is best to learn and admit a mistake and then be grateful for the lesson learned.
may others follow in your footsteps
:thumbsup:



I think you've got a point there, Ms Terry. I will try and delete the post if Barry lets me.

Edward

[AnnaLisaW]

...Wouldn't it be interesting for every Wacco member to have a record of how many folks have put them on their ignore list? That would be a very visible vote of confidence and extend the effect of the ignore list to a new level, to everyone's benefit, including the ignoree.

Edward

I think that is a great idea. I am sometimes rather tactless and hit "send" before I think about what I have written. I would like to know when I have offended someone to the point that they choose to ignore me.
Personally, I don't use the ignore function on a first-time post; I try to only use it when someone doesn't know when to let well enough alone.
Bill Cosby said: "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Blessings, AnnaLisa

[thewholetruth]

When I saw Valley Oak's post, and realized I had responded to some of his/her posts, I tried to look and see if I was "ignored" by anyone. If I had that information it would allow me to apologize for my offense. I think, though, that typically, before someone "ignores" another, there is an exchange of some kind that takes place on a board like this, so the "ignored" person isn't surprised that the other placed them on ignore.

The solution to poor communication is always more communication.

Don


I think that is a great idea. I am sometimes rather tactless and hit "send" before I think about what I have written. I would like to know when I have offended someone to the point that they choose to ignore me.
Personally, I don't use the ignore function on a first-time post; I try to only use it when someone doesn't know when to let well enough alone.
Bill Cosby said: "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Blessings, AnnaLisa

[thewholetruth]

Heading home from church today I remembered a post in which I used the term "opinionated jackass", regarding you calling Paul a fascist. I apologize for putting it that way. My intention wasn't to hurt your feelings. I was just talking about how extremism tends to dilute our credibility. I tried to word it in a general way, and now I wish I had sent it to you privately perhaps, or even not at all. I hope you can forgive me one day, Valley Oak. I'm so disappointed in myself that someone already wants to ignore me or delete my comments. Again, I apologize, sir.

Don


I think you've got a point there, Ms Terry. I will try and delete the post if Barry lets me.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

I completely agree, Anna Lisa. Now, whenever I visit this thread (or several others), I often see the following:

"This message is hidden because donc1955 is on your ignore list."
...which gives me a satisfying grin.

Edward


I think that is a great idea. I am sometimes rather tactless and hit "send" before I think about what I have written. I would like to know when I have offended someone to the point that they choose to ignore me.
Personally, I don't use the ignore function on a first-time post; I try to only use it when someone doesn't know when to let well enough alone.
Bill Cosby said: "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Blessings, AnnaLisa

[thewholetruth]

I tried sending it to the email addy showing in the posts I get through email but it didn't go through. My apology was too late. :-(

Dang. I didn't mean to cross the line like that.

Don


I completely agree, Anna Lisa. Now, whenever I visit this thread (or several others), I often see the following:
"This message is hidden because donc1955 is on your ignore list."
...which gives me a satisfying grin.

Edward

[Valley Oak]

I forgot to mention that I have to remember every time to log in, lest I accidentally read any diatribe.

Edward



I think that is a great idea. I am sometimes rather tactless and hit "send" before I think about what I have written. I would like to know when I have offended someone to the point that they choose to ignore me.
Personally, I don't use the ignore function on a first-time post; I try to only use it when someone doesn't know when to let well enough alone.
Bill Cosby said: "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
Blessings, AnnaLisa

["Mad" Miles]

I forgot to mention that I have to remember every time to log in, lest I accidentally read any diatribe.

Edward

Edward,

So you log out every time before leaving waccobb?

Why?

Why not stay logged on, like I do, and never have to worry about seeing messages from people who have consistently proven themselves to be a provocateur (aka Trolls)?

It's funny, we seem to see the same "ignore" message....

How odd.. Not!!

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

[MsTerry]

I put everybody who disagrees with me on the ignore list, that way I can pretend that everybody likes me.


I completely agree, Anna Lisa. Now, whenever I visit this thread (or several others), I often see the following:
"This message is hidden because donc1955 is on your ignore list."
...which gives me a satisfying grin.

Edward

[thewholetruth]

How refreshing, MsTerry! LOL

I don't remember how I found this board, but I was excited about the opportunity to communicate with folks here. I still am. People from West County tend to lean a different direction than I on some issues, but I've always wondered why. One lady (Sara, I think) offered that if our opinions and beliefs can't stand the test of scrutiny (I'm paraphrasing), then maybe they aren't so solid after all. I totally agree with that. I love it when someone with an opposing view tells me WHY they oppose a given view. For example, my mind has been changed about medical marijuana in the short time I've been here because someone was kind enough to offer me their perspective.

The same thing happened for me when I was prochoice and started debating prolifers, openly and honestly. 3 months into it and I suddenly realized I could no longer defend ending a human life simply because Mom didn't want to raise her child. (I still support medically necessary abortions, btw). My mind was changed during an honest exchange of information and perspective.

I pray that Barry will let me know if the time comes that EVERYONE has me on ignore! LOL And I also pray that there are enough Sara's, Lenny's and MsTerry's in this Wacco community to continue to dialogue and exchange thoughts here.

Don


I put everybody who disagrees with me on the ignore list, that way I can pretend that everybody likes me.

[AnnaLisaW]

I put everybody who disagrees with me on the ignore list, that way I can pretend that everybody likes me.

Interesting attitude. I joined Wacco because I wanted on-line conversations, feedback on my ideas. I hate putting someone on my ignore list and only do it if they really bug me. While I don't want to seriously offend anyone, I don't want everyone to agree with me either.
Diversity is illuminating.
Blessings, AnnaLisa

[Barry]

Interesting discussion.

My current thinking is to add the total number of people who are ignoring them on a user's profile (or maybe even their "postbit" - the header above each of their posts) along with the total number of people they are ignoring, without identify which users they are ignoring or being ignored by.

This seems like it is a good balance between feedback/disclosure while protecting some privacy.

However, this is not high on my list at the moment. Should anybody want to program this feature or fund getting someone to program it, just let me know...

[Valley Oak]

I decided to cut/paste the following message because I felt it more appropriate here:

Wow! If you ever want to get somebody's attention, ignore the fool!

I have hardly posted anything in the last month and my old posts, the ones with cobwebs and mold, have suddenly gotten lots of readership and replies, especially from the mentally challenged.

Oh, and I have added another deserving individual to my ignoramus list ;-)
This is tons of fun!

Edward

[nurturetruth]

I know your busy with your dogs and that the ignore issue is not high on your list, but what a GREAT idea , Barry! :thumbsup:

Hope you find someone out there willing to help u program "your current thinking" on the issue ! :hmmm: :idea: :yltype:


I find myself reflecting on this "ignore" issue.
It may seem strange, but I dont think I have ever taken actual pleasure in ignoring others ~ offline or online.

nor have i ever felt the need to use the wonderful ignore option on this forum. Not once.
I kinda enjoy observing and seeing where all are "at" in regard to the "journey of life & love"......everyone exposing themselves and their ways of being, their levels of consciousness and ability or inability to communicate and or listen.

How one dialogs says alot!
Some choose to get pleasure in stirring chaos up , just to do it.
Obviously, this helps them to feel a sense of power where in other areas of their life, they may feel powerless. They do it to get a reaction.
(ignoring is a reaction, not a response, IMO)

One can feel sad they are the one being put on the "ignore" list and it can help them to "wake up" to becoming more aware of their style of communicating and even ask for forgiveness. OR...one might feel empowered that they got ANY reaction at all... even if its "ignored".

Chaos is always going to exist, whether we choose to ignore it or not, though. And there will alway be those who enjoy stirring it from time to time. Chaos holds a beautiful geometric design. We even need it on some level in order to help us with our processing and self realization.

Thank Gawd for the chaos contributers so we are able to "see our stuff" and learn more about who we are versus who we are not. What feels healthy for us versus what doesn't.

And thank gawd for OPTIONS and the choice to choose how we wish to spend our time and energy! :thumbsup:

:heart:


Interesting discussion.

My current thinking is to add the total number of people who are ignoring them on a user's profile (or maybe even their "postbit" - the header above each of their posts) along with the total number of people they are ignoring, without identify which users they are ignoring or being ignored by.

This seems like it is a good balance between feedback/disclosure while protecting some privacy.

However, this is not high on my list at the moment. Should anybody want to program this feature or fund getting someone to program it, just let me know...

[Valley Oak]

Thank you, Kalina. Your post is beautiful.

Edward



I know your busy with your dogs and that the ignore issue is not high on your list, but what a GREAT idea , Barry! :thumbsup:

Hope you find someone out there willing to help u program "your current thinking" on the issue ! :hmmm: :idea: :yltype:


I find myself reflecting on this "ignore" issue.
It may seem strange, but I dont think I have ever taken actual pleasure in ignoring others ~ offline or online.

nor have i ever felt the need to use the wonderful ignore option on this forum. Not once.
I kinda enjoy observing and seeing where all are "at" in regard to the "journey of life & love"......everyone exposing themselves and their ways of being, their levels of consciousness and ability or inability to communicate and or listen.

How one dialogs says alot!
Some choose to get pleasure in stirring chaos up , just to do it.
Obviously, this helps them to feel a sense of power where in other areas of their life, they may feel powerless. They do it to get a reaction.
(ignoring is a reaction, not a response, IMO)

One can feel sad they are the one being put on the "ignore" list and it can help them to "wake up" to becoming more aware of their style of communicating and even ask for forgiveness. OR...one might feel empowered that they got ANY reaction at all... even if its "ignored".

Chaos is always going to exist, whether we choose to ignore it or not, though. And there will alway be those who enjoy stirring it from time to time. Chaos holds a beautiful geometric design. We even need it on some level in order to help us with our processing and self realization.

Thank Gawd for the chaos contributers so we are able to "see our stuff" and learn more about who we are versus who we are not. What feels healthy for us versus what doesn't.

And thank gawd for OPTIONS and the choice to choose how we wish to spend our time and energy! :thumbsup:

:heart:

[MsTerry]

NT, despite my tongue in cheek post #14, I too have never felt the urge to press the ignorance button. I marvel in the ability to read and try to understand what truth somebody else can come up with.
Sometimes I tune in to Rush Bimbaugh, just to see what he is able to churn out. Even though I never was able to listen for more than 1/2 an hour at a time, every now and then, his perspective has some merit hidden in the brou-ha-ha.
It is good to keep up with the people you don't like, that way the gap doesn't get bigger,



I know your busy with your dogs and that the ignore issue is not high on your list, but what a GREAT idea , Barry! :thumbsup:

Hope you find someone out there willing to help u program "your current thinking" on the issue ! :hmmm: :idea: :yltype:


I find myself reflecting on this "ignore" issue.
It may seem strange, but I dont think I have ever taken actual pleasure in ignoring others ~ offline or online.

nor have i ever felt the need to use the wonderful ignore option on this forum. Not once.
I kinda enjoy observing and seeing where all are "at" in regard to the "journey of life & love"......everyone exposing themselves and their ways of being, their levels of consciousness and ability or inability to communicate and or listen.

How one dialogs says alot!
Some choose to get pleasure in stirring chaos up , just to do it.
Obviously, this helps them to feel a sense of power where in other areas of their life, they may feel powerless. They do it to get a reaction.
(ignoring is a reaction, not a response, IMO)

One can feel sad they are the one being put on the "ignore" list and it can help them to "wake up" to becoming more aware of their style of communicating and even ask for forgiveness. OR...one might feel empowered that they got ANY reaction at all... even if its "ignored".

Chaos is always going to exist, whether we choose to ignore it or not, though. And there will alway be those who enjoy stirring it from time to time. Chaos holds a beautiful geometric design. We even need it on some level in order to help us with our processing and self realization.

Thank Gawd for the chaos contributers so we are able to "see our stuff" and learn more about who we are versus who we are not. What feels healthy for us versus what doesn't.

And thank gawd for OPTIONS and the choice to choose how we wish to spend our time and energy! :thumbsup:

:heart:

[Lenny]

Well, Ms, it's always good to know what "the other side" is saying and thinking.

Besides, what don't kill ya makes ya stronger.........:2cents:


NT, despite my tongue in cheek post #14, I too have never felt the urge to press the ignorance button. I marvel in the ability to read and try to understand what truth somebody else can come up with.
Sometimes I tune in to Rush Bimbaugh, just to see what he is able to churn out. Even though I never was able to listen for more than 1/2 an hour at a time, every now and then, his perspective has some merit hidden in the brou-ha-ha.
It is good to keep up with the people you don't like, that way the gap doesn't get bigger,

[AnnaLisaW]

....It is good to keep up with the people you don't like, that way the gap doesn't get bigger,

I've had a tendency to avoid people whose viewpoints I find offensive. Your comment is making me re-think that behavior. Unfortunately, I am not as kind and loving as I want to be when I get pissed. -ALW

[MsTerry]

I agree, it isn't always easy to stay composed in the face of abhorrent or offensive thinking, but it is well worth the price to find out what a person is thinking. Not only does it give you a chance to see where they are coming from, it also provides an opportunity to help them hear a different point of view.


I've had a tendency to avoid people whose viewpoints I find offensive. Your comment is making me re-think that behavior. Unfortunately, I am not as kind and loving as I want to be when I get pissed. -ALW

[thewholetruth]

MsTerry, you're one of the few people who've been civil to me here, and at least shown that you're open to differing points of view. Since it seems that I'm the one responsible for Edward creating this "Ignore list" thread, it's interesting to see how many others have gleefully announced they have put me on ignore, as well, when the only offensive post I've contributed was one where I explained hypothetically (albeit perhaps not hypothetically enough) that when one slams someone with an extreme label like "fascist", and others know the man isn't a fascist, it simply destroys your credibility. I used the term "opinionated jackass". That's the only line I've crossed and I apologized for it. But it's very interesting to me to see how many liberals here simply refuse to even enter into dialogue with someone who is moderate/conservative, who have chosen to "ignore" me rather than engage in conversation which might open their own mind a little bit.

I always thought it was Conservatives who were closed minded. But this board is teaching me that the reason Conservatives and Liberals can't talk is because NEITHER are open minded enough or TOLERANT enough of differing views to even have a simple conversation.

Oddly, I find myself encouraged by learning that Liberals aren't any more open minded or tolerant than anyone else. They just call themselves that, but collectively it appears to be a lie.

I came here to talk. I wanted to see why Liberals believe what they do. But most of them won't even engage me in conversation, choosing the "ignore" option. If they had the courage of their convictions, they wouldn't be afraid to offer up the basis for their opinions, and to have those opinions challenged. That is the basis for intelligent dialogue, and I'm not afraid to have my views challenged and/or questioned. I love it when I learn something new that changes my mind about something.

I admire Barry for letting me even be here in what appears to be this Liberal stronghold board and I admire those of you who have been willing to discuss anything with me. But I've been pleasantly surprised to learn that a high percentage of Liberals here aren't willing to even dialogue with a straight, Christian moderate/conservative. Pleasantly surprised because my ego always loves discovering "I was right", about virtually anything. :wink:

Blessings on you this glorious day...

Don


I agree, it isn't always easy to stay composed in the face of abhorrent or offensive thinking, but it is well worth the price to find out what a person is thinking. Not only does it give you a chance to see where they are coming from, it also provides an opportunity to help them hear a different point of view.

[Lenny]

Don,
Edward putting you on the list is Edward's issue, not yours. And I agree, Ms Terry is a sweetie :wink:

I suppose for Progressives this cyber place is a place to
"get away from it" all and not be challenged to their core continuously. It is like going to church. They are with their own, sharing, enjoying, playing, all the things that make it delightful for them knowing that they are at ease with like minded folks. Like conservatives, they don't have to like everybody and there are no "buts". Name calling, on any body's part, serves only to divide and makes one wonder why we do that. And we all are tempted to do that. Oh well. I'll keep coming here, and hope you do, but we ALL have to get off the soap box.
It would only help. :2cents:

[thewholetruth]

Lenny, thanks for a little perspective. I understand what you've said here. I've just always thought that message boards are a place for people to share openly and honestly and without reservation, regardless of our POV. In fact, I enjoy them for that reason. Where else can a Liberal hippy converse with a Conservative Christian, or a radical Leftist converse with a radical Right Winger? I believe this is the only venue in which dialogue between radically different thinkers can take place without the risk of punches being thrown. LOL And I believe that much dialogue needs to take place if this nation is ever going to get back on track again.

I'm not disagreeing with you, Lenny. I just think message boards ARE soap boxes. :wink:

Don


Don,
Edward putting you on the list is Edward's issue, not yours. And I agree, Ms Terry is a sweetie :wink:

I suppose for Progressives this cyber place is a place to
"get away from it" all and not be challenged to their core continuously. It is like going to church. They are with their own, sharing, enjoying, playing, all the things that make it delightful for them knowing that they are at ease with like minded folks. Like conservatives, they don't have to like everybody and there are no "buts". Name calling, on any body's part, serves only to divide and makes one wonder why we do that. And we all are tempted to do that. Oh well. I'll keep coming here, and hope you do, but we ALL have to get off the soap box.
It would only help. :2cents:

[thewholetruth]

I've noticed that anger seems to be a common factor which renders folks incapable of continuing to dialogue. I've always wondered why someone would personalize someone else's POV to the point that it makes them angry. I see it happen, but I don't get it. If you like Pepsi and I like Coke, I doubt that that would piss anyone off. But if I like McCain (which I don't) and you like Obama, would that piss you off? If you want open borders and I want controlled borders, would that piss you off? If so, why?

Thanks,

Don


I've had a tendency to avoid people whose viewpoints I find offensive. Your comment is making me re-think that behavior. Unfortunately, I am not as kind and loving as I want to be when I get pissed. -ALW

[AnnaLisaW]

I find it interesting that anyone would think that Conservatives or Liberals would have the market on tolerance or compassion. Regardless of our belief systems, we are all still human.
Consider this: the Dahli Lama is a full out reactionary and Jesus of Nazareth was a conservative among radicals. Neither of these men are/were looking for sweeping political reform. They just want/wanted us to live in peace with one another.
Think about it.
-AnnaLisa
(and I think everyone should get a turn on the soapbox!)

[thewholetruth]

I've thought about it:

Clearly no one "has the market" on tolerance or compassion, but Liberalism has tried to tie itself to those principles, has it not? Christians have, as well, although not so much the Conservative community. And being human shouldn't be perceived as permission to be a jackass, although we can all be jackasses in someone eyes. As we mature as a society, I pray that compassion and tolerance, humility and love - that all spiritual principles would become more important than ever. It sure doesn't seem like it's going that way, though.

Interesting, your take on Jesus. In His time, from what I understand, He was considered an extreme Liberal among Conservatives (the Pharisees). His views were RADICALLY progressive.

And I think the soapbox should be a public forum...like message boards are!

Don


I find it interesting that anyone would think that Conservatives or Liberals would have the market on tolerance or compassion. Regardless of our belief systems, we are all still human.
Consider this: the Dahli Lama is a full out reactionary and Jesus of Nazareth was a conservative among radicals. Neither of these men are/were looking for sweeping political reform. They just want/wanted us to live in peace with one another.
Think about it.
-AnnaLisa
(and I think everyone should get a turn on the soapbox!)

[MsTerry]

Don,

Don't worry about Edward. He is going in and out of closets right now to see where he fits in. I think he is just experimenting with the ignore button, to see how it works, it's his new toy, He used to do Polls, he is peddling Ignorance now.
Eddie is all right, just give him some time.
If he created "Using the 'Ignore list'", just for you that means he isn't ignoring you! It means he really likes you because you remind him of himself.

[AnnaLisaW]

"...Interesting, your take on Jesus. In His time, from what I understand, He was considered an extreme Liberal among Conservatives (the Pharisees). His views were RADICALLY progressive...
Don

I would call the Pharisees reactionaries and Jesus' followers liberals and radicals. Jesus' teachings stuck solidly to the traditional texts (Matt 26:55.) While the Zealots (the radicals of the bunch) were crying for violent revolution, Jesus was still preaching "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. Jesus was turned over to the Romans after he refused to lead the revolution and also refused to allow his disciples to protect him. His followers then called for the release of Barabbas, a convicted murderer and insurrectionist. (Mark 15:7 NIV) Jesus' crucifixion was the Roman's attempt to pacify radical Jews.
My interpretation of the New Testament accounts leads me to see Jesus not as a the long-haired hippy radical that was popular in the 1960's, but as a solid conservative, a peaceful Jewish rabbi during the Roman occupation of Palestine.
-ALW
(Perhaps it should be noted that I am not a "Christian," I am merely a student of Western religion. You may believe what you will regarding the man whom I revere as the greatest of my teachers.)
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[thewholetruth]

LOL Thanks, MsTerry. :wink:

Don


Don,

Don't worry about Edward. He is going in and out of closets right now to see where he fits in. I think he is just experimenting with the ignore button, to see how it works, it's his new toy, He used to do Polls, he is peddling Ignorance now.
Eddie is all right, just give him some time.
If he created "Using the 'Ignore list'", just for you that means he isn't ignoring you! It means he really likes you because you remind him of himself.

[thewholetruth]

Actually, Jesus was turned over to the Romans because of blasphemy. He called himself "I Am", a term which the Jews considered refers to the Lord, and he said he was God many times. I'm not sure where you got that information about Him refusing to lead the revolution, because He WAS the revolution. The Jews weren't preaching anything like "love your neighbor" at all. They were practicing all kinds of ritualistic nonsense that had them stoning one another to death for all kinds of minor (by today's standards) infractions (Leviticus is filled with the crazy rituals and law the Jews lived by).

I find it interesting that our take on Him is a polar opposite. I see Him as the Radical Hippy who rocked the Jewish world in His day, breaking many of the rules of Jewish law at the time, again and again. That's why the Pharisees hated him. Jesus was disobedient to accepted Jewish law (healing on the Sabbath, hanging out with lowlifes like prostitutes and tax collectors, challenging the Pharisees many times). He Himself said that the reason He came was "to testify to the truth", and that is what He did...and the Pharisees didn't like it one bit. He was not, by any account that I've read, a "peaceful Jewish Rabbi". But I appreciate your take on Him, ALW.

Don


I would call the Pharisees reactionaries and Jesus' followers liberals and radicals. Jesus' teachings stuck solidly to the traditional texts (Matt 26:55.) While the Zealots (the radicals of the bunch) were crying for violent revolution, Jesus was still preaching "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. Jesus was turned over to the Romans after he refused to lead the revolution and also refused to allow his disciples to protect him. His followers then called for the release of Barabbas, a convicted murderer and insurrectionist. (Mark 15:7 NIV) Jesus' crucifixion was the Roman's attempt to pacify radical Jews.
My interpretation of the New Testament accounts leads me to see Jesus not as a the long-haired hippy radical that was popular in the 1960's, but as a solid conservative, a peaceful Jewish rabbi during the Roman occupation of Palestine.
-ALW
(Perhaps it should be noted that I am not a "Christian," I am merely a student of Western religion. You may believe what you will regarding the man whom I revere as the greatest of my teachers.)
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[Lenny]

Jesus was a drooling idiot. Jesus was a drunken fool. Jesus was a homosexual. Jesus a radical. Jesus was a lousy carpenter who built his own cross. Jesus was a Marxist. Jesus was a conservative.

It really does not matter.

Now that you "know" about Jesus, how does that change how you live today? And in the face of the next person you meet?

Like Ed posted "blub, blub, blub, blub".
Not even worth :2cents:

[Valley Oak]

I have a question: should a person tell the other one that they are on their ignore list?

Edward

[Mark Chiang]

I have a question: should a person tell the other one that they are on their ignore list?

Edward

I don't know about online ignore list etiquette, but when I ignore something I stop thinking about it - so I wouldn't interact or keep a list.

[Braggi]

... While the Zealots (the radicals of the bunch) were crying for violent revolution, Jesus was still preaching "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. ...
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Sometimes I read something that makes me do a double take.

" ... "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. ..."

Uhhhh, really? If you mean traditional ancient Hebrew values, loving your neighbor doesn't appear to be among them. Exterminating your neighbors more likely. (Except for the girls too young to have "known man intimately" which they kept for themselves.)

This is only one example. There are many in the Holy Bible. Read up.

-Jeff

PS. Sorry if some find this offensive, but I do feel moved to quote myths from "scripture" from time to time.

From Numbers 31:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">7</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">So they made war against Midian, just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">8</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">9</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">10</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">11</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">12</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">13</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">14</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">15</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">And Moses said to them, "Have you spared all the women?</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">16</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">17</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">18</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[thewholetruth]

Yeah, I believe AnnaLisa must have been studying from something other than the Bible. *polite smile* And regards to the OT, we all thank God for the New Covenant. So much more user friendly...

Don


Sometimes I read something that makes me do a double take.

" ... "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. ..."

Uhhhh, really? If you mean traditional ancient Hebrew values, loving your neighbor doesn't appear to be among them. Exterminating your neighbors more likely. (Except for the girls too young to have "known man intimately" which they kept for themselves.)

This is only one example. There are many in the Holy Bible. Read up.

-Jeff

PS. Sorry if some find this offensive, but I do feel moved to quote myths from "scripture" from time to time.

From Numbers 31:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>7</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>So they made war against Midian, just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>8</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>9</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>10</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>11</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>12</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>13</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>14</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>15</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>And Moses said to them, "Have you spared all the women?</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>16</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>"Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>17</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.</TD> </TR> <TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right><BDO dir=ltr>18</BDO>. </TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left>"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Valley Oak]

Gotcha.

Thanks,

Edward


I don't know about online ignore list etiquette, but when I ignore something I stop thinking about it - so I wouldn't interact or keep a list.

[Valley Oak]

I guess that a good christian follows scripture. Hmmm, what kind of a world would we live in then? What kind of a world do we live in? We have plenty of people like Jerry Falwell around. We have anti-abortionists who murder doctors who perform abortions. We have large, public demonstrations against gays and same sex marriage. Etc, etc, etc.

Gee, I don't know what to make of it all.

Edward


Sometimes I read something that makes me do a double take.

" ... "love your neighbor," and other traditional Jewish values. ..."

Uhhhh, really? If you mean traditional ancient Hebrew values, loving your neighbor doesn't appear to be among them. Exterminating your neighbors more likely. (Except for the girls too young to have "known man intimately" which they kept for themselves.)

This is only one example. There are many in the Holy Bible. Read up.

-Jeff

PS. Sorry if some find this offensive, but I do feel moved to quote myths from "scripture" from time to time.

From Numbers 31:
<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">7</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">So they made war against Midian, just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed every male.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">8</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">9</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">10</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">11</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">12</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">13</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">14</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">15</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">And Moses said to them, "Have you spared all the women?</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">16</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">17</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.</td> </tr> <tr><td align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><bdo dir="ltr">18</bdo>. </td> <td align="left" valign="top">"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.</td></tr></tbody></table>

[MsTerry]

If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again


I have a question: should a person tell the other one that they are on their ignore list?

Edward

[theindependenteye]

>>And regards to the OT, we all thank God for the New Covenant. So much more user friendly...

I too believe the New Covenant is a considerable improvement on the old one. But I find it strange that Christians in general tend to retain those chapters in their Bibles and quote selectively from them all -- as being either the literal word of God or at least God-inspired -- especially when they need a word from God condemning whatever they wish to condemn.

The chapters of the Pentateuch are among the greatest mythic poetry in world literature, and like all great myth contain much wisdom. But in my view they promoted -- and still do -- a totalitarian social structure and a belief in God-given destiny that totally justified genocide, slavery, and the imperious objectives of a master race. I believe the Jewish heritage is deep and rich and beautiful not because of them, but despite them.

So indeed I wonder where these and other such chapters fit in the minds of heavily Bible-based Christians. Keep in mind, here, we're talking about a historic invasion of territory, not a defensive war. Saul too was condemned by Samuel for disobedience to God in not utterly slaughtering the Amalekites. Did God, over the course of a millennium, change His Mind? Did He mature? Are we to take these passages as recipes for contemporary behavior, or conveniently ignore what seems too extreme? I'd really like to know, from practicing Christians or Jews, what your interpretations are.

(Identifying myself personally as raised Presbyterian and presently sort of a Dionysiac Quaker with my own notions about what the Judeo-Christian texts mean.)

Peace & joy--
Conrad

[Valley Oak]

I have never put you on my ignore list and I promise you I never will. The person (until recently that is) that I put on my ignore list, and it was only for a brief time, was The Phiant. Unless you are the former Phiant, you have never been on my ignore list.

At present, there are only three people on my ignore list and they really earned the honors with flying colors.

Thanks for asking,

Edward


If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again

[MsTerry]

Edward,

Read my statement very s-l-o-w-l-y
If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again

:thumbsup:

I have never put you on my ignore list and I promise you I never will. The person (until recently that is) that I put on my ignore list, and it was only for a brief time, was The Phiant. Unless you are the former Phiant, you have never been on my ignore list.

At present, there are only three people on my ignore list and they really earned the honors with flying colors.

Thanks for asking,

Edward

[Valley Oak]

Oh, I seeee. Got it (I think). Thanks for clearing that up. Uh, yeah. OK.

Edward


Edward,

Read my statement very s-l-o-w-l-y
If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again

:thumbsup:

[MsTerry]

Yeah, it was one of those enigmatic axioms, that kids are so good at throwing around:wink:


Oh, I seeee. Got it (I think). Thanks for clearing that up. Uh, yeah. OK.

Edward

[thewholetruth]

Note to self: Look up "enigmatic", just to be safe. Oh, and look up "axiom", again, just to be safe.

Heads for Dictionary.com...

Ohhhh, I get it now. :wink:


Yeah, it was one of those enigmatic axioms, that kids are so good at throwing around:wink:

[thewholetruth]

"Did God, over the course of a millennium, change His Mind? Did He mature? Are we to take these passages as recipes for contemporary behavior, or conveniently ignore what seems too extreme? I'd really like to know, from practicing Christians or Jews, what your interpretations are."

I've noticed the same thing about Christians, Conrad, that we dip into the OT when it makes our case, but we ignore so much of it, as well. I've talked with many Christians about this, challenging them to explain why they'll use scripture from Exodus or Genesis to support their arguments (about whatever), yet they ignore what God tells us to do in Leviticus...oh wait, we don't ignore Leviticus CoMpLeTeLy, now do we? I know that much of the law was superceded by Grace, but give me a freaking break already! LOL I don't try to explain any of that to anyone, nor do I understand it.

"(Identifying myself personally as raised Presbyterian and presently sort of a Dionysiac Quaker with my own notions about what the Judeo-Christian texts mean.)"

Well, it seems we have something in common then, Conrad. I wasn't raised Presbyterian and I'm not a sort of Dionysiac Quaker, but I do have my own notions about what the Judeo-Christian texts mean. That is, I don't take anyone else's word for it: I read the Book myself and let the Holy Spirit show me what He wants me to learn on a given day. :wink:

Don


>>And regards to the OT, we all thank God for the New Covenant. So much more user friendly...

I too believe the New Covenant is a considerable improvement on the old one. But I find it strange that Christians in general tend to retain those chapters in their Bibles and quote selectively from them all -- as being either the literal word of God or at least God-inspired -- especially when they need a word from God condemning whatever they wish to condemn.

The chapters of the Pentateuch are among the greatest mythic poetry in world literature, and like all great myth contain much wisdom. But in my view they promoted -- and still do -- a totalitarian social structure and a belief in God-given destiny that totally justified genocide, slavery, and the imperious objectives of a master race. I believe the Jewish heritage is deep and rich and beautiful not because of them, but despite them.

So indeed I wonder where these and other such chapters fit in the minds of heavily Bible-based Christians. Keep in mind, here, we're talking about a historic invasion of territory, not a defensive war. Saul too was condemned by Samuel for disobedience to God in not utterly slaughtering the Amalekites. Did God, over the course of a millennium, change His Mind? Did He mature? Are we to take these passages as recipes for contemporary behavior, or conveniently ignore what seems too extreme? I'd really like to know, from practicing Christians or Jews, what your interpretations are.

(Identifying myself personally as raised Presbyterian and presently sort of a Dionysiac Quaker with my own notions about what the Judeo-Christian texts mean.)

Peace & joy--
Conrad

[Lenny]

If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again

I just found out I made Ed's list.
Was it something I said? No matter.
Thank the goddess for very small favors. :thumbsup:

[Lenny]

>>
I too believe the New Covenant is a considerable improvement on the old one. But I find it strange that Christians in general tend to retain those chapters in their Bibles and quote selectively from them all -- as being either the literal word of God or at least God-inspired -- especially when they need a word from God condemning whatever they wish to condemn.
The chapters of the Pentateuch are among the greatest mythic poetry in world literature, and like all great myth contain much wisdom. But in my view they promoted -- and still do -- a totalitarian social structure and a belief in God-given destiny that totally justified genocide, slavery, and the imperious objectives of a master race. I believe the Jewish heritage is deep and rich and beautiful not because of them, but despite them.
So indeed I wonder where these and other such chapters fit in the minds of heavily Bible-based Christians. Keep in mind, here, we're talking about a historic invasion of territory, not a defensive war. Saul too was condemned by Samuel for disobedience to God in not utterly slaughtering the Amalekites. Did God, over the course of a millennium, change His Mind? Did He mature? Are we to take these passages as recipes for contemporary behavior, or conveniently ignore what seems too extreme? I'd really like to know, from practicing Christians or Jews, what your interpretations are.
(Identifying myself personally as raised Presbyterian and presently sort of a Dionysiac Quaker with my own notions about what the Judeo-Christian texts mean.)
Conrad

The questions you raise, do you wish to have a bumper sticker answer (many do) or will you allow 25 words or less, as most contests use to do. As a "Dionysiac Quaker", quite a contrarian position to maintain, why would ANY words suffice as you reach your state of understanding via drink, song, and dancing, not by meditating, quietly, and changing ever-so-slightly.
What I must laugh at, is that you are correct in noting the racist view of the Jewish condition in the OT. Of course if you wish to compare it to any other tribe, planet wide, there is not a whole bag o' beans difference 'twixt them and all the other ones as well. Probably the best, for me, is "We, the People"....but then we are simply another tribe, no?
As for God changing His mind; well, as I understand it, we just have a different view, kind of like walking around a rock, watching clouds shapes, or that elephant with nine blind men. I think for you, it was the wine; and I read for others it was Something else.
:2cents:

[Lenny]

Edward,
Read my statement very s-l-o-w-l-y
If you put me on your ignore list, I'll never talk to you again
:thumbsup:

Alcohol is a very terrible thing to waste. :2cents:

[theindependenteye]

>>The questions you raise, do you wish to have a bumper sticker answer (many do) or will you allow 25 words or less, as most contests use to do.

No. Why do you say that? I'm extremely interested in how other people think about their spiritual conditions.

>>As a "Dionysiac Quaker", quite a contrarian position to maintain, why would ANY words suffice as you reach your state of understanding via drink, song, and dancing, not by meditating, quietly, and changing ever-so-slightly.

I don't feel I need to "maintain" the position, as I'm not evangelical about it. Contrarian, maybe, ok. But I hardly discount words: I make my living from them, and they're unquestionably the most powerful magic that humans possess. Nor do I discount meditation and quiet thought as part of reaching a state of understanding. Why do you say that? I thought I was asking an honest question in a non-confrontational way. If you feel I'm not worthy of a response, then don't respond.

>>What I must laugh at, is that you are correct in noting the racist view of the Jewish condition in the OT. Of course if you wish to compare it to any other tribe, planet wide, there is not a whole bag o' beans difference 'twixt them and all the other ones as well.

True, except that this one has produced a literature that has a profound effect on us. What makes you laugh? That I said something you agree with?

>>As for God changing His mind; well, as I understand it, we just have a different view, kind of like walking around a rock, watching clouds shapes, or that elephant with nine blind men. I think for you, it was the wine; and I read for others it was Something else.

Are you answering as a practicing Christian or Jew? I was asking for an honest response from someone to whom OT scripture was part of his/her spiritual journey. You seem to be more interested in my alcohol consumption.

Peace & joy—
Conrad

[Lenny]

My Previous Poor Attempt>>The questions you raise, do you wish to have a bumper sticker answer (many do) or will you allow 25 words or less, as most contests use to do.

You Thoughtfully Penned: No. Why do you say that? I'm extremely interested in how other people think about their spiritual conditions. Peace & joy—Conrad

Then, Conrad, I trust you will continue to seek answers to your questions. For me and my time, this is not the place. Such a discussion would probably bore most, yield little, and produce more waste than worth.

My Previous Poor Attempt>>As a "Dionysiac Quaker", quite a contrarian position to maintain, why would ANY words suffice as you reach your state of understanding via drink, song, and dancing, not by meditating, quietly, and changing ever-so-slightly.

You Thoughtfully Penned: I don't feel I need to "maintain" the position, as I'm not evangelical about it. Contrarian, maybe, ok. But I hardly discount words: I make my living from them, and they're unquestionably the most powerful magic that humans possess. Nor do I discount meditation and quiet thought as part of reaching a state of understanding. Why do you say that? I thought I was asking an honest question in a non-confrontational way. If you feel I'm not worthy of a response, then don't respond.

Excuse me?
Well, for me, and I am probably wrong as so many indicate, Quakers are a quite and meditative group, somber, sober, hard working and down to earth practical, or use to be. While those that practice from the cult of Dionysus are raucous, booze drinking, dancing (I don't think Quakers dance, originally), and just the complete opposite. So to "maintain" those two polar opposite would be a herculean task for me. If it is easy for you, then kewel, for you. Oh, and what does "evangelical about it" mean? So you are not trying to get others to drink and carouse? Around here it would be like preaching to the choir, no?

My Previous Poor Attempt>>What I must laugh at, is that you are correct in noting the racist view of the Jewish condition in the OT. Of course if you wish to compare it to any other tribe, planet wide, there is not a whole bag o' beans difference 'twixt them and all the other ones as well.

You Thoughtfully Penned: True, except that this one has produced a literature that has a profound effect on us. What makes you laugh? That I said something you agree with?

Usually the truth makes me laugh, and you were truthful in your observation that the ancient Jewish tradition was racist. In certain ways, it may STILL be racist, as from what I've read it does resonate so that other folks find it racist. Even now Judaism is not considered a "universalist" religion. Damn hard to become Jewish and they discourage it from the beginning, and I can see why. And you succinctly captured that, so laughter is my response. No biggie. But thanks anyway.

My Previous Poor Attempt >>As for God changing His mind; well, as I understand it, we just have a different view, kind of like walking around a rock, watching clouds shapes, or that elephant with nine blind men. I think for you, it was the wine; and I read for others it was Something else.

You Thoughtfully Penned: Are you answering as a practicing Christian or Jew? I was asking for an honest response from someone to whom OT scripture was part of his/her spiritual journey. You seem to be more interested in my alcohol consumption.

Oh, come on, Conrad, aren't we all just practicing?
And many here, if they've read the OT, I would venture, it was not for a "spiritual journey" but more as a curiosity as to all the hub-bub, don't you think?
And your drinking doesn't bother me a bit. Just don't drive. The alcohol issue came up by you stating you were a follower of Dionysus, which does take a lot of wine to get to, at least from here. :2cents:

[decterlove]

I recently put a second person on my Ignore list yet their posts keep cropping up. It asks me if I want to remove them from the I list...so they must be on it but their posts are still there....it's been 24 hours so I figured....

Oh, er, um....Barry don't answer this......um, er, it's just that....Oh never mind!

[MsTerry]

....Oh never mind!
that's right, it's not your mind it is your conscience that keeps giving you a second chance...............

[alanora]

And how were you notified? mindy


I just found out I made Ed's list.
Was it something I said? No matter.
Thank the goddess for very small favors. :thumbsup:

[Melodymama]

Yes, how did you find out? Inquiring minds want to know? Would one who is ignored by many be and ignorami or ignoramus. If we get a whole bunch, can we graduate and be an IGNORIMATA? Knowing how many people think you are full of something could be helpful. But what if it was the last straw for someone? I think (as I finally learned as my children got older) it works if I just do not respond, the communication stops. If one person argues in the forest, does anyone know?

I get into my best arguments these days in the car alone. The person I am talking to never knows and I get a lot of tension out before I ever see them. I used the ignore button for the first time yesterday. It felt good. Laura

[Lenny]

And how were you notified? mindy

Ed posted it in one of the threads, thanks you.
Was it something I said, or was it the attitude and way that I said it? I did lose some CO2 when I laughed, so I wasn't very green. :2cents:

[Lenny]

Ignoramus would the singular, but together we could be the ignoramissumus!?!
The last straw was assumed by the other party, in this case. Simply produce the truth as best you may and soon you may be on The List.
Oh, and when I argue alone in the car, it's too often I loose and then I need to tell the other person. It's no wonder why I am alone in the car so often!


Yes, how did you find out? Inquiring minds want to know? Would one who is ignored by many be and ignorami or ignoramus. If we get a whole bunch, can we graduate and be an IGNORIMATA? Knowing how many people think you are full of something could be helpful. But what if it was the last straw for someone? I think (as I finally learned as my children got older) it works if I just do not respond, the communication stops. If one person argues in the forest, does anyone know?I get into my best arguments these days in the car alone. The person I am talking to never knows and I get a lot of tension out before I ever see them. I used the ignore button for the first time yesterday. It felt good. Laura

Please, don't use The List to often. Bad habits need to be purged.
:2cents: