Rod Parsley
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rod+Parsley (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Rod+Parsley)
Pastor John Hagee
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hagee&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1 (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hagee&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1)
Obama
Jeremiah A. Wright
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jeremiah+A.+Wright&search_type (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jeremiah+A.+Wright&search_type)=
Clinton
Hillary Clinton's Religious Background & Beliefs: What Does Clinton Believe? https://atheism.about.com/od/hillaryclintonreligion/a/ClintonReligion.htm (https://atheism.about.com/od/hillaryclintonreligion/a/ClintonReligion.htm)
Douglas Coe Pastor, mentor
The Family (Christian political organization)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_Foundation)
Douglas Coe has led the group since the late 1960s
Clinton speaks the language of nondenominationalism—a sober, eloquent appreciation of "values," the importance of prayer, and "heart" convictions.
https://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-4.html (https://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-4.html)
Valley Oak
03-21-2008, 02:13 PM
Dear Royal Voice (voxregalis), are you expressing support for Ron Parsley somehow? I sure hope not. This man's convictions are deeply disturbing, not to mention John Hagee's.
Obama has the decency to denounce his pastor's positions but McCain, on the other hand, gleefuly and publicly accepts John Hagees's endorsement. Do you have anything to say about this double standard that has already crept into the presidential race?
Edward
Braggi
03-21-2008, 03:18 PM
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Obama
Jeremiah A. Wright
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jeremiah+A.+Wright&search_type (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Jeremiah+A.+Wright&search_type)=
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OK, you got me. I actually watched this racist hit piece. I mean racist against blacks, not against whites. What a pile of crap (the streaming text running over the "sermon.")
Now, let's talk about the issues Rev. Wright brings up. Shall we? What is it you don't like about what he says? I don't agree that the military invented AIDS to kill black people, but I haven't heard much else in the way of untruths coming down from this guy. BTW, I've heard it all second hand, because I don't think what this guy says will influence Barack Obama much so I haven't done much research. I'm just not worried about it. I'm certainly not interested in watching more absurd hit pieces like the one above.
But what bothers you? Let's chat. Let us know how you feel. Please give us a quote you have an issue with and your opinion so we have something personal to talk about.
-Jeff
voxregalis
03-21-2008, 03:44 PM
Please read and listen to all of the things I have posted and think of your own opinion.
The reason for the post was to show ALL candidates and where each stands.
The racially inflamatory statements of the "Reverend" Wright are different than the statements of the equally Reverend" Parsley in that, for one, Parsley also champions the cause FOR blacks AND whites.
The entire society is corrupt, as Parsley mentions, not just lashing at "Whites" or "Blacks" but at the "System".
A lot different than a pitting of black against white, as Wright does.
Parsley's comments on Islam are of an historic nature....do the research.
I can not spoon feed you the information.
Braggi
03-21-2008, 04:16 PM
OK, I'll try this one more time and then I'm giving up on you as unreachable.
Here's what I offered: "But what bothers you? Let's chat. Let us know how you feel. Please give us a quote you have an issue with and your opinion so we have something personal to talk about."
If you can't participate in a conversation, then fine.
Have a nice life.
-Jeff
voxregalis
03-21-2008, 04:23 PM
OK, I'll try this one more time and then I'm giving up on you as unreachable.
why do you think you need to reach me?
you are unlearned and have nothing to offer....let it go
bye bye
Lenny
03-21-2008, 04:35 PM
Obama has the decency to denounce his pastor's positions but McCain, on the other hand, gleefuly and publicly accepts John Hagees's endorsement. Do you have anything to say about this double standard that has already crept into the presidential race?
Edward
I missed something, obviously. Obama didn't denounce his pastor. From what I recall, he embraced him! At least in the speech I heard, which, IMO, is one of The Great Speeches of America.
As far as I am concerned, Rev. Wright earned, much more than his critics, the right to say ALL that he has said. He has served his country in battle so that he can say all that crap. From his patois and color, it was obviously rough growing up in the South looking like him. He must have been fed a lot of hatred coming up, and it seems he still over came it!
voxregalis
03-21-2008, 05:41 PM
I missed something, obviously. Obama didn't denounce his pastor. From what I recall, he embraced him! At least in the speech I heard, which, IMO, is one of The Great Speeches of America.
As far as I am concerned, Rev. Wright earned, much more than his critics, the right to say ALL that he has said. He has served his country in battle so that he can say all that crap. From his patois and color, it was obviously rough growing up in the South looking like him. He must have been fed a lot of hatred coming up, and it seems he still over came it!
Do the research.
This is what tells the truth.
See how they voted.
This may take some time.
So I hope I do not hear from anyone for at least 3 to 5 days:brainthinking:
Senate Roll Call Tables
https://www.senate.gov/index.htm (https://www.senate.gov/index.htm)
Lenny;52784 I missed something, obviously. Obama didn't denounce his pastor. From what I recall, he embraced him! At least in the speech I heard, which, IMO, is one of The Great Speeches of America.
As far as I am concerned, Rev. Wright earned, much more than his critics, the right to say ALL that he has said. He has served his country in battle so that he can say all that crap. From his patois and color, it was obviously rough growing up in the South looking like him. He must have been fed a lot of hatred coming up, and it seems he still over came it
wah wah wah....the "poor me because I'm black" story, promoted by Jackson, Sharpton and the likes of those trouble makers.
I happen to KNOW white people growing up in the south next to black people BETTER OFF THAN THEM.
Furthermore DARKER SKINNED BLACKS are prejudiced against LIGHTER SKINNED BLACKS.
Look at the "Reverend" Wright.
Sara S
03-22-2008, 08:33 AM
From Jon Carroll's column in the Chronicle yesterday, 3/21:
Wright is, of course, the preacher whose incendiary statements were being used as a club to beat Obama with. Stripped of the inflammatory language, the statements are not all that unusual in the rhetoric of the left; people who are genuinely shocked by them have just not been paying attention.
Obama disclaimed the rhetoric but refused to disclaim the man. Indeed, he went further. He was generous to Geraldine Ferraro, who was not generous to him, and he said: "In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero-sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time."
And those resentments are what demagogues use to prevent people from understanding the nature of the problem and, often, to get them to continue to vote against their own self-interest. It's not that this is a secret, but it's quite amazing to hear a candidate say it out loud, and that well.
It's nice, for a moment, not to wallow in the scandals of the moment, to be replaced by other scandals before we get bored.
I think that the sentence that says " to prevent people from understanding the nature of the problem and, often, to get them to vote against their own self-interest" is particularly relevant to your comments here.
I suggest that you read the whole piece; it's at sfgate.com.
why do you think you need to reach me?
you are unlearned and have nothing to offer....let it go
bye bye
voxregalis
03-22-2008, 10:16 AM
From Jon Carroll's column in the Chronicle yesterday, 3/21:
Wright is, of course, the preacher whose incendiary statements were being used as a club to beat Obama with. Stripped of the inflammatory language, the statements are not all that unusual in the rhetoric of the left; people who are genuinely shocked by them have just not been paying attention.
Obama disclaimed the rhetoric but refused to disclaim the man. Indeed, he went further. He was generous to Geraldine Ferraro, who was not generous to him, and he said: "In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero-sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time."
And those resentments are what demagogues use to prevent people from understanding the nature of the problem and, often, to get them to continue to vote against their own self-interest. It's not that this is a secret, but it's quite amazing to hear a candidate say it out loud, and that well.
It's nice, for a moment, not to wallow in the scandals of the moment, to be replaced by other scandals before we get bored.
I think that the sentence that says " to prevent people from understanding the nature of the problem and, often, to get them to vote against their own self-interest" is particularly relevant to your comments here.
I suggest that you read the whole piece; it's at sfgate.com.
Ridiculous notion that you can separate a man from his words and actions.
What are you thinking?
:omg: