No evidence of emf health effects?

[Sasu]

When it comes to EMF issues, one of the most frequently heard phrases is "There is no evidence to support EMFs having health effects" or simply "There is no conclusive evidence".


There is an enormous body of evidence out there, but public and even academic awareness seems to be very poor.


https://www.powerwatch.org.uk/studies.asp

Considering the wireless proponents plan (sonic's city wide wi-fi in Sebastopol and Hilary Clinton's smart grid, are two examples) is to saturate the enviornment with wireless radiation, it is imperative we wake up from the denial of "technology has no health effects" syndrome.

The following is a compilation of web sites that address electropollution and electrical sensitivity.

www.bioinitiative.org (https://www.bioinitiative.org/)
https://www.energyfields.org/pdfs/WiF-SNAFU-Havas-Science.pdf
www.energyfields.org (https://www.energyfields.org/)
https://www.radiationresearch.org/
https://www.antennafreeunion.org/
https://www.starweave.com/freiburger/
<big><big>www.powerwatch.org.uk (https://www.powerwatch.org.uk/)
www.safewireless.org (https://www.safewireless.org/)
https://www.emrpolicy.org/
https://www.emrnetwork.org/
https://www.c-a-r-e.org/
https://www.feb.se/index_int.htm
https://www.ideaireland.org/emr.htm
</big></big> <big>www.LifeEnergies.com (https://www.lifeenergies.com/)
www.mastsanity.org (https://www.mastsanity.org/)</big>
<big>https://www.silcom.com/~sage/emf/ (https://www.silcom.com/%7Esage/emf/)
www.emfacts.com (https://www.emfacts.com/)
www.microwavenews.com (https://www.microwavenews.com/)
www.wave-guide.org/ (https://www.wave-guide.org/)
www.neilcherry.com (https://www.neilcherry.com/)
</big><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p><big><big>https://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/niemr/news.php
https://policies.lakeheadu.ca/policy.php?pid=178
</big></big>https://www.powerwatch.org.uk/wifi.asp
https://www.electrosensitivity.org.uk/
https://www.dhs.ca.gov/ehib/emf/RiskEvaluation/riskeval.html
https://www.planetthrive.com/
https://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/CausesOfES.html
https://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html
https://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070910.htm
https://www.stopumts.nl/english.php/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34213-2004Sep19.html
https://tinyurl.com/y3r6t6
www.emfcenter.com (https://www.emfcenter.com/)
<big><big>https://www.townsendletter.com/July2007/wifi0707.htm
</big></big><big><big>https://www.es-uk.info/
https://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/EMF_Safety_Tips.htm
</big></big>https://www.cogreslab.co.uk/computers.asp
wwwhealthconcerns.org (https://www.healh/) Report health challenges anonymously
www.mast-victims.org/ (https://www.mast-victims.org/) Click on “resources” for radio interviews with experts, and “Tell your Story”
www.cprnews.com (https://www.cprnews.com/) Cell Phone Radiation Worldwide News Website
www.emr.co.nz (https://www.emr.co.nz/) New Zealand Electromagnetic Radiation Web site<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>Electrical Pollution.com (https://www.electricalpollution.com/)
Stetzer Electric (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/)
Stray Voltage (https://www.strayvoltage.org/) (Farm & human health articles from The LaCrosse Tribune)
Safe Goeke Net (https://www.safe.goeke.net/) ( The Save Animals From Electricity website)
Mike Holt (https://www.mikeholt.com/) ( Articles about "stray voltage")
EMF Guru (https://www.emfguru.org/) (Roy Beaver's site)
EMF BioEffects (https://www.emfbioeffects.org/)
National Foundation for Alternative Medicine (https://www.nfam.org/) (National Foundation for Alternative Medicine. Search for electrical pollution)
Buegerwelle (body science) (https://www.buergerwelle.de/body_science.html/)
Bio-electromagnetics (resources) (https://www.bioelectromagnetics.org/resources.php/)
Electro-sensitivity (https://www.electrosensitivity.org.uk/)
EMF Carcinogenicity (https://www.geocities.com/Jormabio/archive/emfcarcinogenicity.html)
Bridlewood/ (https://www.feb.se/Bridlewood/) (EMF information service)
Goldsworth's Residents Against Masts (https://www.nomasts.org.uk/)
<big>https://www.mobile-research.ethz.ch/english/index_e.htm</big>
https://www.iaff.org/hs/Facts/CellTowerFinal.asp
https://www.icems.eu/docs/BeneventoResolution.pdf
https://www.mindfully.org/Technology/Microwaving-Planet-Firstenberg1997.htm
https://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3095831
https://www.lifeenergies.com/pollution/hemef/emfip1-13.htm
https://www.hese-project.org/hese-uk/en/niemr/resonance1.php
<big><big>https://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/12/05/the_little-known_danger_of_computer_printers__and_of_other_common_office_machines.htm</big></big>
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/technology/18rehab.html?hphttps://www.mindfully.org/Technology/2004/Electromagnetic-Fields-EMF1jun04.htm
https://www.emfpollution.com/
https://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/HealingAids7.html
https://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org/
https://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=329
https://www.feb.se/NEWS/news2004.html#WHO-BW20041025
https://bewisepolarize.com/radiation%20harmful.htm
https://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/article_309.html
https://www.next-up.org/Newsoftheworld/Affset2007.php#1
https://www.antennasearch.com/
https://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/public_health_emf.pdfhttps://www.stopumts.nl/english.php/
https://infoventures.com/emf/top/spectrum.html
https://www.mast-victims.org/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=1&topic=76
https://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?cat=29
https://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/publib/2006-March/097209.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=450995&in_page_id=1879
https://www.shareguide.com/electro.html
https://ehso.com/ehshome/emf.htm
https://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm
https://www.mercola.com/1998/archive/emf_effect_on_hormones.htm
https://www.tldp.com/issue/179/emf179.htm
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30499.php
https://www.emfpollution.com/general-symptoms-of-radio-wave-sickness
https://www.silencingthefields.com/emf-health.html
https://members.aol.com/gotemf/emf/kids.htm
https://members.aol.com/gotemf/group/
https://www.goodhealthinfo.net/radiation/radio_wave_packet.pdf
https://infoventures.com/emf/top/others-i.html
https://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/
https://www.spinspace.com/biophysics/emfsens.htm
https://www.freewebs.com/eclectives/monitorpain.htm
https://www.mercola.com/forms/public_exposure.htm
https://www.latitudes.org/articles/electrical_sensitivity_articles.html#Consumer
https://www.blockemf.com/?engine=adwords!1895&keyword=%28emf+shielding%29&match_type=&gclid=CLG3pojtzokCFQRDYwodyRxxRQ (https://www.blockemf.com/?engine=adwords%211895&keyword=%28emf+shielding%29&match_type=&gclid=CLG3pojtzokCFQRDYwodyRxxRQ)
https://www.fengshuinetwork.net/topics/electropollution/changes_in_health_status.htm
https://home.swipnet.se/allez/Eng/Woodp.htm
https://www.bewisepolarize.com/radiation%20harmful.htm
https://www.diamondhead.net/melapoll.htm
https://www.ehso.com/ehshome/emf.htm#dangerous
https://www.detox.org/emf.html
https://policies.lakeheadu.ca/policy.php?pid=178
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=44975#post44975
https://www.sonomawest.com/articles/2008/01/10/sonomawest/letters_and_opinions/op5.txt
https://nayer.blogspot.com/2008/01/cell-phones-wi-fi-dangers-are-real.html
https://www.city-data.com/forum/detroit/58843-wireless-oakland-health-concern.html<small>
https://www.next-up.org/pages/Justice.php#1</small>
https://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/HealingAids2.html
https://www.healthyhomeplans.com/
https://www.emfservices.com/index.htm
https://www.energyfields.org/impacts/chellis.html
https://omega.twoday.net/stories/3584203/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRXe1DeDvhk

[Braggi]

When it comes to EMF issues, one of the most frequently heard phrases is "There is no evidence to support EMFs having health effects" or simply "There is no conclusive evidence".


There is an enormous body of evidence out there, but public and even academic awareness seems to be very poor.
...



Sasu, do you actually read any of this stuff you post? These links are all to the same stuff you've been posting and none of it is conclusive except to show there's nothing to worry about. Allow me to quote from the first abstract you link to: "For the entire group, no increased risk of PGTs was observed for ever having been a regular cellular phone user..."

Got that? No increased risk. Keep reading. There are lots of in vitro studies, studies on tomatoes (?!?!), studies on rats (that have absolutely NO bearing on human use), and on and on. I've read dozens of the "studies" you've linked to, but it doesn't look like you've read them. If you had, you wouldn't be so upset.

Relax, enjoy the benefits of modern living. Realize the EMF output from the computer you sit in front of is hundreds of times more dense than any wi-fi system under discussion. Realize that in order to live in a city you WILL be exposed to EMF, along with everyone else. Realize the negative health effects are largely or totally psycho somatic. That's not a bad thing, because it means that getting your mind right will protect you from the ill effects. Now, doesn't that feel better?

There was an "enormous body of evidence" collected by lawyers wanting to sue over the harmful effects of silicon breast implants. Enormous! Thing is, it was all wrong. It was said that breast implants caused immune diseases like lupus. When large (no pun intended) studies were done covering thousands of women with implants, it was discovered the group with implants had fewer cases of such diseases than was standard in the population at large. So were breast implants protecting women from these diseases?

Did you read that recent cell phone study I posted? It covered hundreds of thousands of users and it found lower rates of cancer among cell phone users. Does that mean cell phone use protects you from cancer?

The links you posted do not make a case against wi fi.

If you want to protect yourself from EMF you'll have to move into a cave because it's everywhere. Thing is, it hasn't been shown to be harmful.

-Jeff

[alanora]

Around 24 years ago I lived next to the sea-bee base in Oxnard, Port Hueneme(sp). At that time they were experimenting with low and mid frequency sonar. They denied any health effects despite complaints of illness on those dates by the residents of silver strand beach. They are currently regulating the effects on whales and other sea life and found it disruptive to direction finding causing beached whales and other oddness. I think the determination has to do with how far out whales must be to employ the sonar. Don't I recall sound waves carrying further in liquid? That was 24 years ago and i recently ran across something about attempts to regulate usage! Whales are mammals too. Mindy

[Braggi]

Mindy, you do realize that sonar is based on sound waves not EMFs (Electro Magnetic Fields)?

I'm against large naval sonar systems as well. But these are actually documented to cause harm.

-Jeff

[alanora]

I am aware that sonar and emf are of very different natures. The commonality to which I point may be the twenty or so years before adverse effects are discovered, acknowledged/regulated and/or the documentation of such begin to surface, and the fringe lunatics who complain are found to have been correct after all. ooops.


Mindy, you do realize that sonar is based on sound waves not EMFs (Electro Magnetic Fields)?

I'm against large naval sonar systems as well. But these are actually documented to cause harm.

-Jeff

[Sasu]

Sonar is an emf device.

Active sonar creates a pulse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse) of sound, often called a "ping", and then listens for reflections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_%28physics%29) (echo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_%28phenomenon%29)) of the pulse. This pulse of sound is generally created electronically using a Sonar Projector (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonar_Projector&action=edit) consisting of a signal generator, power amplifier and electro-acoustic transducer/array, possibly with a beamformer.

[Braggi]

I am aware that sonar and emf are of very different natures. The commonality to which I point may be the twenty or so years before adverse effects are discovered, acknowledged/regulated and/or the documentation of such begin to surface, and the fringe lunatics who complain are found to have been correct after all. ooops.


There is no commonality, however. The huge sonar system(s) you refer to were known to be harmful long before they were built. To a whale it's like putting your head inside a huge bell and having someone hit it with a sledgehammer. It's going to damage your hearing and your brain. That's pretty easy to understand. It was no fringe element complaining about that. It was mainstream science.

The "fringe lunatics" complaining about EMF are SELLING garbage for hundreds or thousands of dollars to "protect" you from a harm that hasn't been shown to exist. I hope you can see the massive difference.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

Sonar is an emf device. ...



Oh my. According to that definition talking with another person will expose you to emf radiation. Does that mean we should stop talking to our children for fear we'll irradiate them? Does that mean we should stop listening to live acoustic music for the same reason? Should we plug our ears so no sound waves hit our eardrums? Where do we stop? Certainly nobody should listen to a stereo because they use they same methods as sonar to produce sound.

Sasu, please put your fear aside and read some of those websites you posted with an open mind. You can easily see how you have misread the reality of the situation.

I ask you again, have you actually read any of those sites you posted? Have you actually looked at the details of the studies quoted? If so, please post some actual facts that we can discuss. I don't think you have mentioned any.

-Jeff

[Sasu]

You are refuting the work of world class researchers and scientists and considering yourself the better expert on this issue? There are so many people voluteering countless hours to help educate the public, something the WHO recommends local governments to do!

Yes there are a few companies selling pendants and filters. THis is a small part and they are educating as well as profiting. It is an example of public awareness and concern.

Your comparing sonar to a stereo? You can do better than that!

Are you interested in learning here or are you just bored out there living off the grid?

What do think? Are you ready to read anything I've posted or do you just want to continue to throw spitballs?

[Braggi]

... a signal generator, power amplifier and electro-acoustic transducer/array ...

That pretty clearly describes a stereo.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

...

Are you interested in learning here or are you just bored out there living off the grid?

What do think? Are you ready to read anything I've posted ...?

I have been reading what you've posted. They just don't add up to what you're saying that's why I've asked you for specifics. I've read dozens of the websites and dozens of the studies. Thing is, it doesn't appear that you have read any of them, or your conclusions would be different.

Please post some specifics, not just the links, so we have something to discuss.

-Jeff

[alanora]

I do not endorse buying garbage to protect self from non-existent threats. I endorse caution and very limited use when possible and waiting until the results are in to assess personal risk/reward ratio. (Spoken by a non-techie who does not generally get fired-up about the latest electronic tool) I understand. We felt like a lunatic fringe when complaining about the health effects to humans living there...of course the pesticide dumping was charming as well.......


There is no commonality, however. The huge sonar system(s) you refer to were known to be harmful long before they were built. To a whale it's like putting your head inside a huge bell and having someone hit it with a sledgehammer. It's going to damage your hearing and your brain. That's pretty easy to understand. It was no fringe element complaining about that. It was mainstream science.

The "fringe lunatics" complaining about EMF are SELLING garbage for hundreds or thousands of dollars to "protect" you from a harm that hasn't been shown to exist. I hope you can see the massive difference.

-Jeff

[alanora]

I do not endorse buying garbage to protect self from non-existent threats. I endorse caution and very limited use when possible and waiting until the results are in to assess personal risk/reward ratio. (Spoken by a non-techie who does not generally get fired-up about the latest electronic tool) I understand. We felt like a lunatic fringe when complaining about the health effects to humans living there...of course the pesticide dumping was charming as well....... Nice if said garbage really worked and I was fortunate enough to have been in on the ground floor and had made my millions while serving the highest good...dream on....

[don]

Hey Sasu

Jeff's comparison is essentially correct. Sonar is just an underwater low frequency audible sound system that also measures the amount of time it takes for the sound to be reflected back to the source.

Cheers
don



Your comparing sonar to a stereo? You can do better than that!

Are you interested in learning here or are you just bored out there living off the grid?

What do think? Are you ready to read anything I've posted or do you just want to continue to throw spitballs?

[Sasu]

The following article is from today's The Independent in the UK:

https://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3353768.ece

Mobile phone radiation wrecks your sleep

Phone makers' own scientists discover that bedtime use can lead to
headaches, confusion and depression

By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor
Published: 20 January 2008

Radiation from mobile phones delays and reduces sleep, and causes headaches
and confusion, according to a new study.

The research, sponsored by the mobile phone companies themselves, shows that
using the handsets before bed causes people to take longer to reach the
deeper stages of sleep and to spend less time in them, interfering with the
body's ability to repair damage suffered during the day.

The findings are especially alarming for children and teenagers, most of
whom - surveys suggest - use their phones late at night and who especially
need sleep. Their failure to get enough can lead to mood and personality
changes, ADHD-like symptoms, depression, lack of concentration and poor
academic performance.

The study - carried out by scientists from the blue-chip Karolinska
Institute and Uppsala University in Sweden and from Wayne State University
in Michigan, USA - is thought to be the most comprehensive of its kind.

Published by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Progress in
Electromagnetics Research Symposium and funded by the Mobile Manufacturers
Forum, representing the main handset companies, it has caused serious
concern among top sleep experts, one of whom said that there was now "more
than sufficient evidence" to show that the radiation "affects deep sleep".

The scientists studied 35 men and 36 women aged between 18 and 45. Some were
exposed to radiation that exactly mimicked what is received when using
mobile phones; others were placed in precisely the same conditions, but
given only "sham" exposure, receiving no radiation at all.

The people who had received the radiation took longer to enter the first of
the deeper stages of sleep, and spent less time in the deepest one. The
scientists concluded: "The study indicates that during laboratory exposure
to 884 MHz wireless signals components of sleep believed to be important for
recovery from daily wear and tear are adversely affected."

The embarrassed Mobile Manufacturers Forum played down the results,
insisting - at apparent variance with this published conclusion - that its
"results were inconclusive" and that "the researchers did not claim that
exposure caused sleep disturbance".

But Professor Bengt Arnetz, who led the study, says: "We did find an effect
from mobile phones from exposure scenarios that were realistic. This
suggests that they have measurable effects on the brain."

He believes that the radiation may activate the brain's stress system,
"making people more alert and more focused, and decreasing their ability to
wind down and fall asleep".

About half of the people studied believed themselves to be
"electrosensitive", reporting symptoms such as headaches and impaired
cognitive function from mobile phone use. But they proved to be unable to
tell if they had been exposed to the radiation in the test.

This strengthens the conclusion of the study, as it disposes of any
suggestion that knowledge of exposure influenced sleeping patterns. Even
more significantly, it throws into doubt the relevance of studies the
industry relies on to maintain that the radiation has no measurable effects.

A series of them - most notably a recent highly publicised study at Essex
University - have similarly found that people claiming to be
electrosensitive could not distinguish when the radiation was turned on in
laboratory conditions, suggesting that they were not affected.

Critics have attacked the studies' methodology, but the new findings deal
them a serious blow. For they show that the radiation did have an effect,
even though people could not tell when they were exposed.

It also complements other recent research. A massive study, following 1,656
Belgian teenagers for a year, found most of them used their phones after
going to bed. It concluded that those who did this once a week were more
than three times - and those who used them more often more than five times -
as likely to be "very tired".

Dr Chris Idzikowski, the director of the Edinburgh Sleep Centre, says:
"There is now more than sufficient evidence, from a large number of
reputable investigators who are finding that mobile phone exposure an hour
before sleep adversely affects deep sleep."

Dr William Kohler of the Florida Sleep Institute added: "Anything that
disrupts the integrity of your sleep will potentially have adverse
consequences in functioning during the day, such as grouchiness, difficulty
concentrating, and in children hyperactivity and behaviour problems."

David Schick, the chief executive of Exradia, which manufactures protective
devices against the radiation, called on ministers to conduct "a formal
public inquiry" into the effects of mobile phones.

[Sasu]

This is a very comprehensive site where you can learn a lot about electrical pollution and why we are opposing city wide wi-fi.

https://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/