The U.S. "bought" 9/11. With all of the imperialist mass murder and repression that the U.S. government commits around the world, nonstop, we had it coming now for a very, very long time. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner and far more extensively.
Less than 3,000 Americans died in the two towers. 3,900 Americans have died in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. But in the case of the U.S, as is usually the case throughout history, "might proves right." There is no one in the world that can kick the U.S.A.'s ass the way we deserve it.
Edward
Frederick M. Dolan
12-28-2007, 02:29 PM
Does this reasoning not apply to virtually all nations, states, and peoples, at least to great and powerful ones? Looked at from one point of view, human history is not much more than competition among groups to get the upper hand and frequently slaughtering one another to do so. On the one hand, you could draw the conclusion from this that 9/11 is a rare case of justice being served on a major power, and rejoice. But another conclusion might also be drawn, namely that it's a very good thing that justice is unlikely to be done on a significant scale since the result would be a world-wide holocaust. Not that these conclusions are incompatible.
The U.S. "bought" 9/11. With all of the imperialist mass murder and repression that the U.S. government commits around the world, nonstop, we had it coming now for a very, very long time. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner and far more extensively.
Less than 3,000 Americans died in the two towers. 3,900 Americans have died in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. But in the case of the U.S, as is usually the case throughout history, "might proves right." There is no one in the world that can kick the U.S.A.'s ass the way we deserve it.
Edward
silverhaze
12-28-2007, 03:44 PM
EDWARD this kind of thinking is inappropriate, especially because usa government may well have set this up , at least they knew it was happening well before the explosions. note i say explosions as it was explosions that blew up the towers, not plane crashes.:hello::hmmm: ps. also. what if they gave a war and everyone refused to go would be an appropriate way to not bother foreign countries.
Less than 3,000 Americans died in the two towers. 3,900 Americans have died in Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. But in the case of the U.S, as is usually the case throughout history, "might proves right." There is no one in the world that can kick the U.S.A.'s ass the way we deserve it.
Edward[/quote]
Neshamah
12-30-2007, 06:22 AM
Edward,
This line of thought, while accurate, is also divisive. Most Americans want to do what is in their best interest, and even in its most destructive forms, there are at least some misguided but well-intentioned people behind U.S. foreign policy. To guide the mainstream into a better channel, we need to speak in terms of what is best for the people of the U.S. Nations all over the world throughout history have developed just fine without U.S. intervention. We can save money, cut taxes, and win friends by adopting a more humble foreign policy. Most Americans do not realize the effects of what is done in their name, and it comes as a shock, so try to be sensitive when telling the whole truth.
Silverhaze,
The U.S. did not plant explosives. The jet fuel necessary to fly the planes to Los Angeles accounts for the explosions.
It is true Bush has used the attacks to grossly expand executive power, just as Lincoln used his war, and Roosevelt used World War II. However, the U.S. did not assist the attacks in any way and the failure to see them coming was a matter of collecting far more information than they could ever analyze ahead of time. Unfortunately, there is precedent for thinking the U.S. knew something would happen. Roosevelt wanted an excuse to attack Japan. He just didn't think it would cost him the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor.
Personally, I think reversing the near-fascist, emergency executive orders still in effect from World War II to the present is a priority so important, other issues can wait four years.
~ Neshamah
Valley Oak
01-05-2008, 08:04 AM
Nesh, I think it's a huge mistake to try to be sensitive in telling the whole truth. That's precisely one of the reasons why we have the problems we have in this country as well as the ones we create for other countries. Too few people come out in the open and say it like it is.
I would truly like to see, and I would be in your debt, if you replied with a good example of information that would be so disturbing to people that the Wacco list would fall apart or the sun would fall from the sky, or our social fabric, our nation, would somehow crumble and people would start having riots in the streets. This is silly, Nesh.
The more I think of the statement you made below, the more I shake my head from side to side.
Edward
Edward,
This line of thought, while accurate, is also divisive. Most Americans want to do what is in their best interest, and even in its most destructive forms, there are at least some misguided but well-intentioned people behind U.S. foreign policy. To guide the mainstream into a better channel, we need to speak in terms of what is best for the people of the U.S. Nations all over the world throughout history have developed just fine without U.S. intervention. We can save money, cut taxes, and win friends by adopting a more humble foreign policy. Most Americans do not realize the effects of what is done in their name, and it comes as a shock, so try to be sensitive when telling the whole truth.
Silverhaze,
The U.S. did not plant explosives. The jet fuel necessary to fly the planes to Los Angeles accounts for the explosions.
It is true Bush has used the attacks to grossly expand executive power, just as Lincoln used his war, and Roosevelt used World War II. However, the U.S. did not assist the attacks in any way and the failure to see them coming was a matter of collecting far more information than they could ever analyze ahead of time. Unfortunately, there is precedent for thinking the U.S. knew something would happen. Roosevelt wanted an excuse to attack Japan. He just didn't think it would cost him the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor.
Personally, I think reversing the near-fascist, emergency executive orders still in effect from World War II to the present is a priority so important, other issues can wait four years.