MsTerry
12-03-2007, 09:29 PM
your ad hominem (personal attacks) contributions are becoming your standard
You might want to ease back just a bit on your meds.
You might want to ease back just a bit on your meds.
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Willie Lumplump
12-04-2007, 01:50 PM
your ad hominem (personal attacks) contributions are becoming your standard
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
Valley Oak
12-04-2007, 02:32 PM
But you can flatter me, Mystery (Ms. Terry) and it will get you everywhere with me!
Edward
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
Edward
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
MsTerry
12-04-2007, 09:50 PM
peter plus haut que le cul
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
Silly boy! Flattery will get you nowhere.
Willie Lumplump
12-04-2007, 10:16 PM
peter plus haut que le cul
If you had provided a subject and a possessive pronoun, your disconnected phrase might have turned out to be a quality insult. If I may offer a brief tutorial: Vous secouez votre poireau. [Subject+verb+possessive pronoun+direct object]
If you had provided a subject and a possessive pronoun, your disconnected phrase might have turned out to be a quality insult. If I may offer a brief tutorial: Vous secouez votre poireau. [Subject+verb+possessive pronoun+direct object]
MsTerry
12-05-2007, 08:45 AM
tu me fais chier, roi des cons
If you had provided a subject and a possessive pronoun, your disconnected phrase might have turned out to be a quality insult. If I may offer a brief tutorial: Vous secouez votre poireau. [Subject+verb+possessive pronoun+direct object]
If you had provided a subject and a possessive pronoun, your disconnected phrase might have turned out to be a quality insult. If I may offer a brief tutorial: Vous secouez votre poireau. [Subject+verb+possessive pronoun+direct object]
ChristineL
12-05-2007, 09:42 AM
tu me fais chier, roi des cons
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.
Christine
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.
Christine
Willie Lumplump
12-05-2007, 10:55 AM
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.Christine
This seems like a good time to remind Barry of his commitment to move all such exchanges to the "censored" section the moment they appear. I derive no great satisfaction rom participating in these exchanges, but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people. Although my diversion strategy seems to work, I'm sure that the "censored" strategy is a much better alternative (it was Barry's idea in the first place). So we have a good strategy; all we need now is action.
This seems like a good time to remind Barry of his commitment to move all such exchanges to the "censored" section the moment they appear. I derive no great satisfaction rom participating in these exchanges, but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people. Although my diversion strategy seems to work, I'm sure that the "censored" strategy is a much better alternative (it was Barry's idea in the first place). So we have a good strategy; all we need now is action.
Valley Oak
12-05-2007, 02:01 PM
What is it that she said in French? Now I'm curious; I can't help it.
Edward
This seems like a good time to remind Barry of his commitment to move all such exchanges to the "censored" section the moment they appear. I derive no great satisfaction rom participating in these exchanges, but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people. Although my diversion strategy seems to work, I'm sure that the "censored" strategy is a much better alternative (it was Barry's idea in the first place). So we have a good strategy; all we need now is action.
Edward
This seems like a good time to remind Barry of his commitment to move all such exchanges to the "censored" section the moment they appear. I derive no great satisfaction rom participating in these exchanges, but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people. Although my diversion strategy seems to work, I'm sure that the "censored" strategy is a much better alternative (it was Barry's idea in the first place). So we have a good strategy; all we need now is action.
mykil
12-05-2007, 02:55 PM
google to laungae tools to french to english
What is it that she said in French? Now I'm curious; I can't help it.
Edward
What is it that she said in French? Now I'm curious; I can't help it.
Edward
Zeno Swijtink
12-05-2007, 03:07 PM
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.
Christine
«*Con*» est un mot français vulgaire qui désigne à l’origine le sexe de la femme. Au xxie*siècle, il s’utilise surtout comme une insulte destinée à identifier une personne comme étant stupide, naïve ou désagréable, de même que ses dérivés «*connard*» et «*connasse*» qui se concentrent sur la dernière acception.
Nous n'associons pas la «*jerk*» avec «*jerking off*» plus. De même le mot «*con*» a perdu sa connotation sexuelle.
Dans son sens figuré, le mot se voit de plus en plus employé après la Seconde Guerre mondiale et apparaît dans des œuvres de nombreux écrivains comme Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Louis Aragon ou Raymond Queneau.
Aujourd'hui le mot peut être employé par un homme politique sans que cela fasse scandale — pourvu qu’il ne soit pas utilisé de manière insultante*: le premier ministre français, Dominique de Villepin pourra dire en mars 2006 «*Ils vont s’apercevoir que je suis assez con pour aller jusqu’au bout.*» au sujet de la crise du contrat première embauche sans que le vocabulaire utilisé ne gêne le moins du monde.
L'expression roi des cons amplifie le sens du mot, elle est mise en musique par Georges Brassens dans Le Roi*; Renaud au contraire prétend qu'en cas d'abdication du roi des cons, «*Il y aurait cinquante millions de prétendants*» (c’est-à-dire tous les français) dans Hexagone.
****
Georges Brassens
Le roi des cons
Non certes elle n'est pas bâtie
Non certes elle n'est pas bâtie
Sur du sable sa dynastie
Sur du sable sa dynastie
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Il peut dormir ce souverain
Il peut dormir ce souverain
Sur ses deux oreilles serein
Sur ses deux oreilles serein
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Je tu il elle nous vous ils
Je tu il elle nous vous ils
Tout le monde le suit docil'
Tout le monde le suit docil'
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Il est possible au demeurant
Il est possible au demeurant
Qu'on déloge le Shah d'Iran
Qu'on déloge le Shah d'Iran
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Qu'un jour on dise c'est fini
Qu'un jour on dise c'est fini
Au petit Roi de Jordanie
Au petit Roi de Jordanie
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Qu'en Abyssinie on recuse
Qu'en Abyssinie on recuse
Le Roi des Rois le bon Négus
Le Roi des Rois le bon Négus
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que sur un air de fandango
Que sur un air de fandango
On congédie le vieux Franco
On congédie le vieux Franco
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que la couronne d'Angleterre
Que la couronne d'Angleterre
Ce soir roule par terre
Ce soir roule par terre
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que ça c'est vu dans le passé
Que ça c'est vu dans le passé
Marianne soit renversée
Marianne soit renversée
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
****
Renaud
Hexagone
Ils s'embrassent au mois de Janvier,
Car une nouvelle année commence,
Mais depuis des éternités
L'a pas tell'ment changé la France.
Passent les jours et les semaines,
Y'a qu'le décor qui évolue,
La mentalité est la même :
Tous des tocards, tous des faux culs.
Ils sont pas lourds, en février,
À se souvenir de Charonne,
Des matraqueurs assermentés
Qui fignolèrent leur besogne,
La France est un pays de flics,
À tous les coins d'rue y'en a 100,
Pour faire règner l'ordre public
Ils assassinent impunément.
Quand on exécute au mois d'mars,
De l'autr' côté des Pyrénées,
Un arnachiste du Pays basque,
Pour lui apprendre à s'révolter,
Ils crient, ils pleurent et ils s'indignent
De cette immonde mise à mort,
Mais ils oublient qu'la guillotine
Chez nous aussi fonctionne encore.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est pas c'qu'on fait d'mieux en c'moment,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
J'parierai pas qu'il est all'mand.
On leur a dit, au mois d'avril,
À la télé, dans les journaux,
De pas se découvrir d'un fil,
Que l'printemps c'était pour bientôt,
Les vieux principes du seizième siècle,
Et les vieilles traditions débiles,
Ils les appliquent tous à la lettre,
Y m'font pitié ces imbéciles.
Ils se souviennent, au mois de mai,
D'un sang qui coula rouge et noir,
D'une révolution manquée
Qui faillit renverser l'Histoire,
J'me souviens surtout d'ces moutons,
Effrayés par la Liberté,
S'en allant voter par millions
Pour l'ordre et la sécurité.
Ils commémorent au mois de juin
Un débarquement d'Normandie,
Ils pensent au brave soldat ricain
Qu'est v'nu se faire tuer loin d'chez lui,
Ils oublient qu'à l'abri des bombes,
Les Francais criaient "Vive Pétain",
Qu'ils étaient bien planqués à Londres,
Qu'y'avait pas beaucoup d'Jean Moulin.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est pas la gloire, en vérité,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
Me dites pas qu'il est portugais.
Ils font la fête au mois d'juillet,
En souv'nir d'une révolution,
Qui n'a jamais éliminé
La misère et l'exploitation,
Ils s'abreuvent de bals populaires,
D'feux d'artifice et de flonflons,
Ils pensent oublier dans la bière
Qu'ils sont gourvernés comme des pions.
Au mois d'août c'est la liberté,
Après une longue année d'usine,
Ils crient : "Vive les congés payés",
Ils oublient un peu la machine,
En Espagne, en Grèce ou en France,
Ils vont polluer toutes les plages,
Et par leur unique présence,
Abimer tous les paysages.
Lorsqu'en septembre on assassine,
Un peuple et une liberté,
Au coeur de l'Amérique latine,
Ils sont pas nombreux à gueuler,
Un ambassadeur se ramène,
Bras ouverts il est accueilli,
Le fascisme c'est la gangrène
À Santiago comme à Paris.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est vraiment pas une sinécure,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
Il est francais, ça j'en suis sûr.
Finies les vendanges en octobre,
Le raisin fermente en tonneaux,
Ils sont très fiers de leurs vignobles,
Leurs "Côtes-du-Rhône" et leurs "Bordeaux",
Ils exportent le sang de la terre
Un peu partout à l'étranger,
Leur pinard et leur camenbert
C'est leur seule gloire à ces tarrés.
En Novembre, au salon d'l'auto,
Ils vont admirer par milliers
L'dernier modèle de chez Peugeot,
Qu'ils pourront jamais se payer,
La bagnole, la télé, l'tiercé,
C'est l'opium du peuple de France,
Lui supprimer c'est le tuer,
C'est une drogue à accoutumance.
En décembre c'est l'apothéose,
La grande bouffe et les p'tits cadeaux,
Ils sont toujours aussi moroses,
Mais y'a d'la joie dans les ghettos,
La Terre peut s'arrêter d'tourner,
Ils rat'ront pas leur réveillon;
Moi j'voudrais tous les voir crever,
Étouffés de dinde aux marrons.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
On peut pas dire qu'ca soit bandant
Si l'roi des cons perdait son trône,
Y'aurait 50 millions de prétendants.
Christine
«*Con*» est un mot français vulgaire qui désigne à l’origine le sexe de la femme. Au xxie*siècle, il s’utilise surtout comme une insulte destinée à identifier une personne comme étant stupide, naïve ou désagréable, de même que ses dérivés «*connard*» et «*connasse*» qui se concentrent sur la dernière acception.
Nous n'associons pas la «*jerk*» avec «*jerking off*» plus. De même le mot «*con*» a perdu sa connotation sexuelle.
Dans son sens figuré, le mot se voit de plus en plus employé après la Seconde Guerre mondiale et apparaît dans des œuvres de nombreux écrivains comme Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Louis Aragon ou Raymond Queneau.
Aujourd'hui le mot peut être employé par un homme politique sans que cela fasse scandale — pourvu qu’il ne soit pas utilisé de manière insultante*: le premier ministre français, Dominique de Villepin pourra dire en mars 2006 «*Ils vont s’apercevoir que je suis assez con pour aller jusqu’au bout.*» au sujet de la crise du contrat première embauche sans que le vocabulaire utilisé ne gêne le moins du monde.
L'expression roi des cons amplifie le sens du mot, elle est mise en musique par Georges Brassens dans Le Roi*; Renaud au contraire prétend qu'en cas d'abdication du roi des cons, «*Il y aurait cinquante millions de prétendants*» (c’est-à-dire tous les français) dans Hexagone.
****
Georges Brassens
Le roi des cons
Non certes elle n'est pas bâtie
Non certes elle n'est pas bâtie
Sur du sable sa dynastie
Sur du sable sa dynastie
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Il peut dormir ce souverain
Il peut dormir ce souverain
Sur ses deux oreilles serein
Sur ses deux oreilles serein
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Je tu il elle nous vous ils
Je tu il elle nous vous ils
Tout le monde le suit docil'
Tout le monde le suit docil'
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Il est possible au demeurant
Il est possible au demeurant
Qu'on déloge le Shah d'Iran
Qu'on déloge le Shah d'Iran
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Qu'un jour on dise c'est fini
Qu'un jour on dise c'est fini
Au petit Roi de Jordanie
Au petit Roi de Jordanie
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Qu'en Abyssinie on recuse
Qu'en Abyssinie on recuse
Le Roi des Rois le bon Négus
Le Roi des Rois le bon Négus
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que sur un air de fandango
Que sur un air de fandango
On congédie le vieux Franco
On congédie le vieux Franco
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que la couronne d'Angleterre
Que la couronne d'Angleterre
Ce soir roule par terre
Ce soir roule par terre
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
Que ça c'est vu dans le passé
Que ça c'est vu dans le passé
Marianne soit renversée
Marianne soit renversée
Il y a peu de chances qu'on
Détrône le Roi des cons.
****
Renaud
Hexagone
Ils s'embrassent au mois de Janvier,
Car une nouvelle année commence,
Mais depuis des éternités
L'a pas tell'ment changé la France.
Passent les jours et les semaines,
Y'a qu'le décor qui évolue,
La mentalité est la même :
Tous des tocards, tous des faux culs.
Ils sont pas lourds, en février,
À se souvenir de Charonne,
Des matraqueurs assermentés
Qui fignolèrent leur besogne,
La France est un pays de flics,
À tous les coins d'rue y'en a 100,
Pour faire règner l'ordre public
Ils assassinent impunément.
Quand on exécute au mois d'mars,
De l'autr' côté des Pyrénées,
Un arnachiste du Pays basque,
Pour lui apprendre à s'révolter,
Ils crient, ils pleurent et ils s'indignent
De cette immonde mise à mort,
Mais ils oublient qu'la guillotine
Chez nous aussi fonctionne encore.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est pas c'qu'on fait d'mieux en c'moment,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
J'parierai pas qu'il est all'mand.
On leur a dit, au mois d'avril,
À la télé, dans les journaux,
De pas se découvrir d'un fil,
Que l'printemps c'était pour bientôt,
Les vieux principes du seizième siècle,
Et les vieilles traditions débiles,
Ils les appliquent tous à la lettre,
Y m'font pitié ces imbéciles.
Ils se souviennent, au mois de mai,
D'un sang qui coula rouge et noir,
D'une révolution manquée
Qui faillit renverser l'Histoire,
J'me souviens surtout d'ces moutons,
Effrayés par la Liberté,
S'en allant voter par millions
Pour l'ordre et la sécurité.
Ils commémorent au mois de juin
Un débarquement d'Normandie,
Ils pensent au brave soldat ricain
Qu'est v'nu se faire tuer loin d'chez lui,
Ils oublient qu'à l'abri des bombes,
Les Francais criaient "Vive Pétain",
Qu'ils étaient bien planqués à Londres,
Qu'y'avait pas beaucoup d'Jean Moulin.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est pas la gloire, en vérité,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
Me dites pas qu'il est portugais.
Ils font la fête au mois d'juillet,
En souv'nir d'une révolution,
Qui n'a jamais éliminé
La misère et l'exploitation,
Ils s'abreuvent de bals populaires,
D'feux d'artifice et de flonflons,
Ils pensent oublier dans la bière
Qu'ils sont gourvernés comme des pions.
Au mois d'août c'est la liberté,
Après une longue année d'usine,
Ils crient : "Vive les congés payés",
Ils oublient un peu la machine,
En Espagne, en Grèce ou en France,
Ils vont polluer toutes les plages,
Et par leur unique présence,
Abimer tous les paysages.
Lorsqu'en septembre on assassine,
Un peuple et une liberté,
Au coeur de l'Amérique latine,
Ils sont pas nombreux à gueuler,
Un ambassadeur se ramène,
Bras ouverts il est accueilli,
Le fascisme c'est la gangrène
À Santiago comme à Paris.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
C'est vraiment pas une sinécure,
Et le roi des cons, sur son trône,
Il est francais, ça j'en suis sûr.
Finies les vendanges en octobre,
Le raisin fermente en tonneaux,
Ils sont très fiers de leurs vignobles,
Leurs "Côtes-du-Rhône" et leurs "Bordeaux",
Ils exportent le sang de la terre
Un peu partout à l'étranger,
Leur pinard et leur camenbert
C'est leur seule gloire à ces tarrés.
En Novembre, au salon d'l'auto,
Ils vont admirer par milliers
L'dernier modèle de chez Peugeot,
Qu'ils pourront jamais se payer,
La bagnole, la télé, l'tiercé,
C'est l'opium du peuple de France,
Lui supprimer c'est le tuer,
C'est une drogue à accoutumance.
En décembre c'est l'apothéose,
La grande bouffe et les p'tits cadeaux,
Ils sont toujours aussi moroses,
Mais y'a d'la joie dans les ghettos,
La Terre peut s'arrêter d'tourner,
Ils rat'ront pas leur réveillon;
Moi j'voudrais tous les voir crever,
Étouffés de dinde aux marrons.
Etre né sous l'signe de l'hexagone,
On peut pas dire qu'ca soit bandant
Si l'roi des cons perdait son trône,
Y'aurait 50 millions de prétendants.
MsTerry
12-05-2007, 05:16 PM
Christine,
Pardonnez-moi, I had no intention to offend you.
I merely noticed that Ronald Hennessey, AKA the Willie, not only feels compelled to correct people's English but has extended his OCD to Foreign Languages. Since it seems obvious that he has not more than a dictionary knowledge of French, I decided to throw him a little something you can't figure out with a dictionary.
It didn't surprise me that our esteemed and educated source of intelligence; Zeno, caught on to my plot.
It was also Zeno, that pointed out that The Phiant called herself a prick, this incessant hounding of the Willie of anything that has to do with The Phiant, combined with his 4.14 post a day!!! ( who has time for that) makes one wonder............
Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick.
Is some one trying to be "Le Roi de quequettes"
For a 64 year old to state "but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people", there must be a serious inferiority complex attached to that.
This kind of delusional and self aggrandized statement opens a window into the mind of a disturbed person.
It makes you wonder if his wife, (a Health Care Worker) wasn't the one who arranged for him to be send to the Congo.
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.
Christine
Pardonnez-moi, I had no intention to offend you.
I merely noticed that Ronald Hennessey, AKA the Willie, not only feels compelled to correct people's English but has extended his OCD to Foreign Languages. Since it seems obvious that he has not more than a dictionary knowledge of French, I decided to throw him a little something you can't figure out with a dictionary.
It didn't surprise me that our esteemed and educated source of intelligence; Zeno, caught on to my plot.
It was also Zeno, that pointed out that The Phiant called herself a prick, this incessant hounding of the Willie of anything that has to do with The Phiant, combined with his 4.14 post a day!!! ( who has time for that) makes one wonder............
Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick.
Is some one trying to be "Le Roi de quequettes"
For a 64 year old to state "but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people", there must be a serious inferiority complex attached to that.
This kind of delusional and self aggrandized statement opens a window into the mind of a disturbed person.
It makes you wonder if his wife, (a Health Care Worker) wasn't the one who arranged for him to be send to the Congo.
I don't think this board permirts obscene language. This particular insult would be considered quite obscene and inappropriate on a public board of this type. Although not aimed at me, I find it offensive. If you've run out of arguments and must resort to gratuitous obcenities, even in a foreign language, don't post.
Christine
ChristineL
12-05-2007, 06:42 PM
What is it that she said in French? Now I'm curious; I can't help it.
Edward
There is no exact translation that would convey the actual offensiveness of this insult. It does not really translate.
Many idiomatic phrases cannot really be translated and make any sense...for example; my mom often called me (and still does at times) "ma petite puce", this literally translates to "my little flea". Very sweet and affectionate in French, nonsensical in English.
Christine
Edward
There is no exact translation that would convey the actual offensiveness of this insult. It does not really translate.
Many idiomatic phrases cannot really be translated and make any sense...for example; my mom often called me (and still does at times) "ma petite puce", this literally translates to "my little flea". Very sweet and affectionate in French, nonsensical in English.
Christine
ChristineL
12-05-2007, 07:01 PM
Christine,
Pardonnez-moi, I had no intention to offend you.
I merely noticed that Ronald Hennessey, AKA the Willie, not only feels compelled to correct people's English but has extended his OCD to Foreign Languages. Since it seems obvious that he has not more than a dictionary knowledge of French, I decided to throw him a little something you can't figure out with a dictionary.
It didn't surprise me that our esteemed and educated source of intelligence; Zeno, caught on to my plot.
It was also Zeno, that pointed out that The Phiant called herself a prick, this incessant hounding of the Willie of anything that has to do with The Phiant, combined with his 4.14 post a day!!! ( who has time for that) makes one wonder............
Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick.
Is some one trying to be "Le Roi de quequettes"
For a 64 year old to state "but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people", there must be a serious inferiority complex attached to that.
This kind of delusional and self aggrandized statements open a window into the mind of a disturbed person.
It makes you wonder if his wife, (a Health Care Worker) wasn't the one who arranged for him to be send to the Congo.
Actually, Willie's fluency in written French surpasses mine. You can't conjugate verbs correctly in french just from a dictionary knowledge, and he does. Even when Willie and I were in total disagreement and going at each other, neither one of us resorted to total vulgarity or obcenities. Wanton cruelty has not been part of his repertoire either. I may often disagree with him and did find a haughty tone to his posts earlier on. I also felt baited and antagonized...but...however much we may have sniped at each other, we abstained from cruelty and obscenities. He also publically apologized...in my opinion that shows character. Maybe, just maybe, Ms. Terry, my lack of cruelty and negative judgement is part of what allowed he and I to reach a point of mutual respect...
Pardonnez-moi, I had no intention to offend you.
I merely noticed that Ronald Hennessey, AKA the Willie, not only feels compelled to correct people's English but has extended his OCD to Foreign Languages. Since it seems obvious that he has not more than a dictionary knowledge of French, I decided to throw him a little something you can't figure out with a dictionary.
It didn't surprise me that our esteemed and educated source of intelligence; Zeno, caught on to my plot.
It was also Zeno, that pointed out that The Phiant called herself a prick, this incessant hounding of the Willie of anything that has to do with The Phiant, combined with his 4.14 post a day!!! ( who has time for that) makes one wonder............
Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick,Willie, prick.
Is some one trying to be "Le Roi de quequettes"
For a 64 year old to state "but I will continue as long as my comments appear to divert ThePhiant's (aka Ms Terry) attacks away from other people", there must be a serious inferiority complex attached to that.
This kind of delusional and self aggrandized statements open a window into the mind of a disturbed person.
It makes you wonder if his wife, (a Health Care Worker) wasn't the one who arranged for him to be send to the Congo.
Actually, Willie's fluency in written French surpasses mine. You can't conjugate verbs correctly in french just from a dictionary knowledge, and he does. Even when Willie and I were in total disagreement and going at each other, neither one of us resorted to total vulgarity or obcenities. Wanton cruelty has not been part of his repertoire either. I may often disagree with him and did find a haughty tone to his posts earlier on. I also felt baited and antagonized...but...however much we may have sniped at each other, we abstained from cruelty and obscenities. He also publically apologized...in my opinion that shows character. Maybe, just maybe, Ms. Terry, my lack of cruelty and negative judgement is part of what allowed he and I to reach a point of mutual respect...
decterlove
12-05-2007, 09:25 PM
You guys oughta just put on some silk gloves and slap it out with each other..............Jeez, you fight anymore and you're gonna wind up married to each other!
:Jedi::spanking::nono::xpoke::xpoke::beg::duel::nono::shaddanccouple::whackasmilie::stoptheinsane::kidfight::ilikeyou::sweep:
:Jedi::spanking::nono::xpoke::xpoke::beg::duel::nono::shaddanccouple::whackasmilie::stoptheinsane::kidfight::ilikeyou::sweep:
MsTerry
12-05-2007, 10:14 PM
thank you,Christine for your commentary.
conjugation is easily learned from books, in fact easier than it is from speaking. if you can find the time, I suggest you reread all the snide remarks and comments he has flung my way.
if you don't considered it cruel to continually and shamelessly accuse me to be someone who recently has died (LuLu) and was dear to me, (like the Willie does)
please tell me Christine, then what is your definition of cruelty?
Actually, Willie's fluency in written French surpasses mine. You can't conjugate verbs correctly in french just from a dictionary knowledge, and he does. Even when Willie and I were in total disagreement and going at each other, neither one of us resorted to total vulgarity or obcenities. Wanton cruelty has not been part of his repertoire either. I may often disagree with him and did find a haughty tone to his posts earlier on. I also felt baited and antagonized...but...however much we may have sniped at each other, we abstained from cruelty and obscenities. He also publically apologized...in my opinion that shows character. Maybe, just maybe, Ms. Terry, my lack of cruelty and negative judgement is part of what allowed he and I to reach a point of mutual respect...
conjugation is easily learned from books, in fact easier than it is from speaking. if you can find the time, I suggest you reread all the snide remarks and comments he has flung my way.
if you don't considered it cruel to continually and shamelessly accuse me to be someone who recently has died (LuLu) and was dear to me, (like the Willie does)
please tell me Christine, then what is your definition of cruelty?
Actually, Willie's fluency in written French surpasses mine. You can't conjugate verbs correctly in french just from a dictionary knowledge, and he does. Even when Willie and I were in total disagreement and going at each other, neither one of us resorted to total vulgarity or obcenities. Wanton cruelty has not been part of his repertoire either. I may often disagree with him and did find a haughty tone to his posts earlier on. I also felt baited and antagonized...but...however much we may have sniped at each other, we abstained from cruelty and obscenities. He also publically apologized...in my opinion that shows character. Maybe, just maybe, Ms. Terry, my lack of cruelty and negative judgement is part of what allowed he and I to reach a point of mutual respect...
ChristineL
12-06-2007, 12:21 AM
thank you,Christine for your commentary.
conjugation is easily learned from books, in fact easier than it is from speaking. if you can find the time, I suggest you reread all the snide remarks and comments he has flung my way.
if you don't considered it cruel to continually and shamelessly accuse me to be someone who recently has died (LuLu) and was dear to me, (like the Willie does)
please tell me Christine, then what is your definition of cruelty?
Something else I've stayed away from. However, it seems almost every WACCO member who posts regularly has these doubts...you could clear it up. You could have started by openly notifying us of her passing. At the very least, Mykil, who clearly considered ThePhiant a friend should have been notified in a better fashion. I've read your profile and have my doubts as to its veracity. Maybe a little more openess in your profile and a little more clarity regarding Lulu and her passing would have helped. Although I have enjoyed many of Lulu's and your posts, there is a tendency to get too cutting in a truly personal way. ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage, it has escalated from there. If Lulu has truly passed, I am sorry for your loss...as to your war with Willie, let it go...it's getting altogether too ugly.
Christine
conjugation is easily learned from books, in fact easier than it is from speaking. if you can find the time, I suggest you reread all the snide remarks and comments he has flung my way.
if you don't considered it cruel to continually and shamelessly accuse me to be someone who recently has died (LuLu) and was dear to me, (like the Willie does)
please tell me Christine, then what is your definition of cruelty?
Something else I've stayed away from. However, it seems almost every WACCO member who posts regularly has these doubts...you could clear it up. You could have started by openly notifying us of her passing. At the very least, Mykil, who clearly considered ThePhiant a friend should have been notified in a better fashion. I've read your profile and have my doubts as to its veracity. Maybe a little more openess in your profile and a little more clarity regarding Lulu and her passing would have helped. Although I have enjoyed many of Lulu's and your posts, there is a tendency to get too cutting in a truly personal way. ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage, it has escalated from there. If Lulu has truly passed, I am sorry for your loss...as to your war with Willie, let it go...it's getting altogether too ugly.
Christine
MsTerry
12-06-2007, 09:25 AM
people can and will assume whatever they want, however I did not start nor ask for this hateful and mean-spirited campaign to discredit me and The Phiant.
I was only going to post the thread "Living Memories" and leave it at that. But after my intentions were desecrated and turned into a menacing smear-campaign by a couple of sexually frustrated men, I decided to fight back. You can check all my posting and then see at what point they turn sour.
You are of base, it was before Willie's way of dealing with his marriage become an issue, that Willie was gunning for people, including the Phiant.
you make it seem as if all of sudden something snapped in the poor guy. I won't ask you to reread all his posts, but I am sure that you can remember some of his caustic epiphanies.
LuLu, despite her public image, was a very private person, who never accepted death despite her physical deterioration. She wanted me to go on with her moniker, for she wanted to live for ever, defiantly.
Since I already had been doing the physical act of typing and sending the emails she felt, I could keep it going.
I did announce her passing openly after Roble posted his suspicions.
I don't think it is up to you to decide how LuLu should have said goodbye to Mykil, as a matter of fact she didn't say goodbye to anyone, not even her own children. She never embraced the thought of passing on, and as a result there was no last farewell.
Mykil was special to her, and he knows that.
I miss her too
Something else I've stayed away from. However, it seems almost every WACCO member who posts regularly has these doubts...you could clear it up. You could have started by openly notifying us of her passing. At the very least, Mykil, who clearly considered ThePhiant a friend should have been notified in a better fashion. I've read your profile and have my doubts as to its veracity. Maybe a little more openess in your profile and a little more clarity regarding Lulu and her passing would have helped. Although I have enjoyed many of Lulu's and your posts, there is a tendency to get too cutting in a truly personal way. ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage, it has escalated from there. If Lulu has truly passed, I am sorry for your loss...as to your war with Willie, let it go...it's getting altogether too ugly.
Christine
I was only going to post the thread "Living Memories" and leave it at that. But after my intentions were desecrated and turned into a menacing smear-campaign by a couple of sexually frustrated men, I decided to fight back. You can check all my posting and then see at what point they turn sour.
You are of base, it was before Willie's way of dealing with his marriage become an issue, that Willie was gunning for people, including the Phiant.
you make it seem as if all of sudden something snapped in the poor guy. I won't ask you to reread all his posts, but I am sure that you can remember some of his caustic epiphanies.
LuLu, despite her public image, was a very private person, who never accepted death despite her physical deterioration. She wanted me to go on with her moniker, for she wanted to live for ever, defiantly.
Since I already had been doing the physical act of typing and sending the emails she felt, I could keep it going.
I did announce her passing openly after Roble posted his suspicions.
I don't think it is up to you to decide how LuLu should have said goodbye to Mykil, as a matter of fact she didn't say goodbye to anyone, not even her own children. She never embraced the thought of passing on, and as a result there was no last farewell.
Mykil was special to her, and he knows that.
I miss her too
Something else I've stayed away from. However, it seems almost every WACCO member who posts regularly has these doubts...you could clear it up. You could have started by openly notifying us of her passing. At the very least, Mykil, who clearly considered ThePhiant a friend should have been notified in a better fashion. I've read your profile and have my doubts as to its veracity. Maybe a little more openess in your profile and a little more clarity regarding Lulu and her passing would have helped. Although I have enjoyed many of Lulu's and your posts, there is a tendency to get too cutting in a truly personal way. ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage, it has escalated from there. If Lulu has truly passed, I am sorry for your loss...as to your war with Willie, let it go...it's getting altogether too ugly.
Christine
ChristineL
12-06-2007, 01:19 PM
people can and will assume whatever they want, however I did not start nor ask for this hateful and mean-spirited campaign to discredit me and The Phiant.
I was only going to post the thread "Living Memories" and leave it at that. But after my intentions were desecrated and turned into a menacing smear-campaign by a couple of sexually frustrated men, I decided to fight back. You can check all my posting and then see at what point they turn sour.
You are of base, it was before Willie's way of dealing with his marriage become an issue, that Willie was gunning for people, including the Phiant.
you make it seem as if all of sudden something snapped in the poor guy. I won't ask you to reread all his posts, but I am sure that you can remember some of his caustic epiphanies.
LuLu, despite her public image, was a very private person, who never accepted death despite her physical deterioration. She wanted me to go on with her moniker, for she wanted to live for ever, defiantly.
Since I already had been doing the physical act of typing and sending the emails she felt, I could keep it going.
I did announce her passing openly after Roble posted his suspicions.
I don't think it is up to you to decide how LuLu should have said goodbye to Mykil, as a matter of fact she didn't say goodbye to anyone, not even her own children. She never embraced the thought of passing on, and as a result there was no last farewell.
Mykil was special to her, and he knows that.
I miss her too
Sorry, I was not commenting on how Lulu should have said good-bye...I was commenting on how Mykil should have been notified of her passing. Maybe, your own posting under the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. I liked the thread and was grateful for it. I am sorry it died. A good chunk of this post would have qualified.
In my own experience, I've observed that answering ugliness with ugliness and personal attacks with personal attacks only becomes self perpetuating. As you once told me; "there is no defense against sincerity". Whoever started this war of words, it has taken on a life of its own. I would just like to see it stop.
I do learn from the discussions on this board. It sets my mind going in new directions. I have learned from "ThePhiant's posts" and from Willie's as well. I've also learned from Braggi, Caretaker and many others. I've also gotten some good laughs when I needed them. (Mykil, some of your jokes are really funny.) This board has also given me a space to try and spread some of my own little crusades ("blankets needed for the homeless" and "responsible dog ownership"). It helped me make sure that the fifteen abandoned cats I had to take to the shelter were adopted.
I hate to see good discussions reduced to personal vendettas.
Christine
I was only going to post the thread "Living Memories" and leave it at that. But after my intentions were desecrated and turned into a menacing smear-campaign by a couple of sexually frustrated men, I decided to fight back. You can check all my posting and then see at what point they turn sour.
You are of base, it was before Willie's way of dealing with his marriage become an issue, that Willie was gunning for people, including the Phiant.
you make it seem as if all of sudden something snapped in the poor guy. I won't ask you to reread all his posts, but I am sure that you can remember some of his caustic epiphanies.
LuLu, despite her public image, was a very private person, who never accepted death despite her physical deterioration. She wanted me to go on with her moniker, for she wanted to live for ever, defiantly.
Since I already had been doing the physical act of typing and sending the emails she felt, I could keep it going.
I did announce her passing openly after Roble posted his suspicions.
I don't think it is up to you to decide how LuLu should have said goodbye to Mykil, as a matter of fact she didn't say goodbye to anyone, not even her own children. She never embraced the thought of passing on, and as a result there was no last farewell.
Mykil was special to her, and he knows that.
I miss her too
Sorry, I was not commenting on how Lulu should have said good-bye...I was commenting on how Mykil should have been notified of her passing. Maybe, your own posting under the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. I liked the thread and was grateful for it. I am sorry it died. A good chunk of this post would have qualified.
In my own experience, I've observed that answering ugliness with ugliness and personal attacks with personal attacks only becomes self perpetuating. As you once told me; "there is no defense against sincerity". Whoever started this war of words, it has taken on a life of its own. I would just like to see it stop.
I do learn from the discussions on this board. It sets my mind going in new directions. I have learned from "ThePhiant's posts" and from Willie's as well. I've also learned from Braggi, Caretaker and many others. I've also gotten some good laughs when I needed them. (Mykil, some of your jokes are really funny.) This board has also given me a space to try and spread some of my own little crusades ("blankets needed for the homeless" and "responsible dog ownership"). It helped me make sure that the fifteen abandoned cats I had to take to the shelter were adopted.
I hate to see good discussions reduced to personal vendettas.
Christine
MsTerry
12-06-2007, 06:28 PM
Christine,
Mykil and LuLu had a Email relationship, as far as I know, they have never met, nor spoken with one another. How would you have notified Mykil?
It was my intention to post about LuLu and her life under "Living Memories", unfortunately as I was formulating my thoughts and memories, the snakes came out and decided to take a dump on her grave. It made me realize that if I'm going to be ridiculed, I might as well not provide more ammunition.
I would appreciate it if you can explain this statement of yours;
"ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage,"
I took the time to reread the exchange, and can not find any cruel remarks.
Willie kept on alluding to something "beyond his control", LuLu and Mykil asked him to cough it up. When he did tell his side of the story, LuLu observed "just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
She judged his choice of words, not his actions. To say that something is beyond your control, means in most people's judgement that very little free will was possible to reverse or stop an action.
Willie choose his work over his wife. Lots of people do that, there was no judgement about that part, only about the "drama" in his statement
There is a difference between what someone writes and what we think they write. Sometimes it takes a 2nd or 3rd reading to get the point someone is making. LuLu tended to go right to the heart of things. No BS was her motto.
Sorry, I was not commenting on how Lulu should have said good-bye...I was commenting on how Mykil should have been notified of her passing. Maybe, your own posting under the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. I liked the thread and was grateful for it. I am sorry it died. A good chunk of this post would have qualified.
In my own experience, I've observed that answering ugliness with ugliness and personal attacks with personal attacks only becomes self perpetuating. As you once told me; "there is no defense against sincerity". Whoever started this war of words, it has taken on a life of its own. I would just like to see it stop.
I do learn from the discussions on this board. It sets my mind going in new directions. I have learned from "ThePhiant's posts" and from Willie's as well. I've also learned from Braggi, Caretaker and many others. I've also gotten some good laughs when I needed them. (Mykil, some of your jokes are really funny.) This board has also given me a space to try and spread some of my own little crusades ("blankets needed for the homeless" and "responsible dog ownership"). It helped me make sure that the fifteen abandoned cats I had to take to the shelter were adopted.
I hate to see good discussions reduced to personal vendettas.
Christine
Mykil and LuLu had a Email relationship, as far as I know, they have never met, nor spoken with one another. How would you have notified Mykil?
It was my intention to post about LuLu and her life under "Living Memories", unfortunately as I was formulating my thoughts and memories, the snakes came out and decided to take a dump on her grave. It made me realize that if I'm going to be ridiculed, I might as well not provide more ammunition.
I would appreciate it if you can explain this statement of yours;
"ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage,"
I took the time to reread the exchange, and can not find any cruel remarks.
Willie kept on alluding to something "beyond his control", LuLu and Mykil asked him to cough it up. When he did tell his side of the story, LuLu observed "just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
She judged his choice of words, not his actions. To say that something is beyond your control, means in most people's judgement that very little free will was possible to reverse or stop an action.
Willie choose his work over his wife. Lots of people do that, there was no judgement about that part, only about the "drama" in his statement
There is a difference between what someone writes and what we think they write. Sometimes it takes a 2nd or 3rd reading to get the point someone is making. LuLu tended to go right to the heart of things. No BS was her motto.
Sorry, I was not commenting on how Lulu should have said good-bye...I was commenting on how Mykil should have been notified of her passing. Maybe, your own posting under the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. I liked the thread and was grateful for it. I am sorry it died. A good chunk of this post would have qualified.
In my own experience, I've observed that answering ugliness with ugliness and personal attacks with personal attacks only becomes self perpetuating. As you once told me; "there is no defense against sincerity". Whoever started this war of words, it has taken on a life of its own. I would just like to see it stop.
I do learn from the discussions on this board. It sets my mind going in new directions. I have learned from "ThePhiant's posts" and from Willie's as well. I've also learned from Braggi, Caretaker and many others. I've also gotten some good laughs when I needed them. (Mykil, some of your jokes are really funny.) This board has also given me a space to try and spread some of my own little crusades ("blankets needed for the homeless" and "responsible dog ownership"). It helped me make sure that the fifteen abandoned cats I had to take to the shelter were adopted.
I hate to see good discussions reduced to personal vendettas.
Christine
ChristineL
12-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Christine,
Mykil and LuLu had a Email relationship, as far as I know, they have never met, nor spoken with one another. How would you have notified Mykil?
It was my intention to post about LuLu and her life under "Living Memories", unfortunately as I was formulating my thoughts and memories, the snakes came out and decided to take a dump on her grave. It made me realize that if I'm going to be ridiculed, I might as well not provide more ammunition.
I would appreciate it if you can explain this statement of yours;
"ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage,"
I took the time to reread the exchange, and can not find any cruel remarks.
Willie kept on alluding to something "beyond his control", LuLu and Mykil asked him to cough it up. When he did tell his side of the story, LuLu observed "just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
She judged his choice of words, not his actions. To say that something is beyond your control, means in most people's judgement that very little free will was possible to reverse or stop an action.
Willie choose his work over his wife. Lots of people do that, there was no judgement about that part, only about the "drama" in his statement
There is a difference between what someone writes and what we think they write. Sometimes it takes a 2nd or 3rd reading to get the point someone is making. LuLu tended to go right to the heart of things. No BS was her motto.
Again, as both ThePhiant and yourself have stated: "There is no defense against sincerity." I still feel a sincere posting in the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. If you recall, I did post that this thread should not be a space for all the speculative postings that were being placed on it. I made my objections to a lot of what was being said clear as well.
I had also posted, at some point, that what seems out of our control when we're young would not seem so today. At the time, Willie felt the entire situation was out of his control. Today, older and probably wiser, he would likely find a way out. To me, the way ThePhiant worded her post was cutting. As far as I could perceive, Willie's pain over this long ago decision was obvious and the response was cruel.
I still feel that, regardless of who started it, responding to personal attacks with more personal attacks only becomes an endless self perpetuating circle leading nowhere.
Christine
Mykil and LuLu had a Email relationship, as far as I know, they have never met, nor spoken with one another. How would you have notified Mykil?
It was my intention to post about LuLu and her life under "Living Memories", unfortunately as I was formulating my thoughts and memories, the snakes came out and decided to take a dump on her grave. It made me realize that if I'm going to be ridiculed, I might as well not provide more ammunition.
I would appreciate it if you can explain this statement of yours;
"ThePhiant's first cutting and cruel remarks to Willie regarding the loss of his marriage set the stage,"
I took the time to reread the exchange, and can not find any cruel remarks.
Willie kept on alluding to something "beyond his control", LuLu and Mykil asked him to cough it up. When he did tell his side of the story, LuLu observed "just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
She judged his choice of words, not his actions. To say that something is beyond your control, means in most people's judgement that very little free will was possible to reverse or stop an action.
Willie choose his work over his wife. Lots of people do that, there was no judgement about that part, only about the "drama" in his statement
There is a difference between what someone writes and what we think they write. Sometimes it takes a 2nd or 3rd reading to get the point someone is making. LuLu tended to go right to the heart of things. No BS was her motto.
Again, as both ThePhiant and yourself have stated: "There is no defense against sincerity." I still feel a sincere posting in the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. If you recall, I did post that this thread should not be a space for all the speculative postings that were being placed on it. I made my objections to a lot of what was being said clear as well.
I had also posted, at some point, that what seems out of our control when we're young would not seem so today. At the time, Willie felt the entire situation was out of his control. Today, older and probably wiser, he would likely find a way out. To me, the way ThePhiant worded her post was cutting. As far as I could perceive, Willie's pain over this long ago decision was obvious and the response was cruel.
I still feel that, regardless of who started it, responding to personal attacks with more personal attacks only becomes an endless self perpetuating circle leading nowhere.
Christine
MsTerry
12-06-2007, 09:54 PM
I am still puzzled,
These are the exact words the Phiant posted;
"just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
I could see your point that the words can be interpreted differently, but cruel would not come to my mind. I can understand that a 20-30 year old might feel there is no other solution. But to see a 64 year old man still dwell on that same sentiment is unhealthy in my estimation. When someone is that stuck in the past, you should encourage therapy instead of reinforcing resentment.
I do agree with you that LuLu had a way with words, that in the few words she choose a whole lot was said.
She felt it was a reflection of where the person was at in their life, by the way they reacted to her words.
One of her finest contributions I have always found was her exchange with Tecumseh under the name GiGi, (since she was banned at the time) in the thread called<table class="tborder" id="threadslist" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <!-- WaccoBB - End Thread Prefix Hack --> <td class="alt1" id="td_threadtitle_20832" title="Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is anything in Northern California or outside where I could do a vision quest using peyote. I'm very into knowing more about my path and where it will lead in the past psychedelics have helped along with..."> Peyote Ceremony (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20832&highlight=%2ATecumseh%2A)
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She was able to let Tecumseh live up to his potential, and let him laugh at his anger. Had it been posted under ThePhiant's name, the outcome might have been different..............
Again, as both ThePhiant and yourself have stated: "There is no defense against sincerity." I still feel a sincere posting in the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. If you recall, I did post that this thread should not be a space for all the speculative postings that were being placed on it. I made my objections to a lot of what was being said clear as well.
I had also posted, at some point, that what seems out of our control when we're young would not seem so today. At the time, Willie felt the entire situation was out of his control. Today, older and probably wiser, he would likely find a way out. To me, the way ThePhiant worded her post was cutting. As far as I could perceive, Willie's pain over this long ago decision was obvious and the response was cruel.
I still feel that, regardless of who started it, responding to personal attacks with more personal attacks only becomes an endless self perpetuating circle leading nowhere.
Christine
These are the exact words the Phiant posted;
"just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
I could see your point that the words can be interpreted differently, but cruel would not come to my mind. I can understand that a 20-30 year old might feel there is no other solution. But to see a 64 year old man still dwell on that same sentiment is unhealthy in my estimation. When someone is that stuck in the past, you should encourage therapy instead of reinforcing resentment.
I do agree with you that LuLu had a way with words, that in the few words she choose a whole lot was said.
She felt it was a reflection of where the person was at in their life, by the way they reacted to her words.
One of her finest contributions I have always found was her exchange with Tecumseh under the name GiGi, (since she was banned at the time) in the thread called<table class="tborder" id="threadslist" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <!-- WaccoBB - End Thread Prefix Hack --> <td class="alt1" id="td_threadtitle_20832" title="Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is anything in Northern California or outside where I could do a vision quest using peyote. I'm very into knowing more about my path and where it will lead in the past psychedelics have helped along with..."> Peyote Ceremony (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20832&highlight=%2ATecumseh%2A)
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She was able to let Tecumseh live up to his potential, and let him laugh at his anger. Had it been posted under ThePhiant's name, the outcome might have been different..............
Again, as both ThePhiant and yourself have stated: "There is no defense against sincerity." I still feel a sincere posting in the "Living Memories" thread would have nipped all this ugliness in the bud. If you recall, I did post that this thread should not be a space for all the speculative postings that were being placed on it. I made my objections to a lot of what was being said clear as well.
I had also posted, at some point, that what seems out of our control when we're young would not seem so today. At the time, Willie felt the entire situation was out of his control. Today, older and probably wiser, he would likely find a way out. To me, the way ThePhiant worded her post was cutting. As far as I could perceive, Willie's pain over this long ago decision was obvious and the response was cruel.
I still feel that, regardless of who started it, responding to personal attacks with more personal attacks only becomes an endless self perpetuating circle leading nowhere.
Christine
mykil
12-07-2007, 09:56 AM
Good Morning my Brothers and Sisters. This is not the usual highly over educated mumbo jumbo you guyz are usually associated with in my mind. AS a matter of fact it seems to be more on the lines of bickering a tad bit. Kinda like family that has been in the same room to long on a rainy day. Yes the evolution of Wacco is being fulfilled to the limit for no other purpose in life, except to become a collective. The process is evident and brilliantly on its way. AS family members often do, we bicker and fight and take off the gloves to prove one is evolving better than the other close member, older sis or bro.
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Narcing on one another, bringing in other siblings to make a point {[that would be me doing that one too often] you think we can get the girls to have a pillow fight}? These teaching grammar skills have nothing more to do with life than to be one step above you long lost lovely sibling. Now that we have all found one another let the resurrection begin! Lets start with killing off one another and making each other so mad and intimidated, they will have no choice but to leave home once again! Lets just dog each other, call one another names and politely insult the pants off each other till we cannot belittle each one any further. Our productiveness precedes us all. Yes that was an attempt of humor once again! You can go though and correct all the misspellings and punctuations at a latter date and send me a full report on all the mistakes I have made. LMAO!
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Anyway I hope you all have a wonderful day at school, and mom has left your lunches in the fried with your names on the bag. She made mine way better than yours cause she loves me the best!!!! Welcome Home
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Narcing on one another, bringing in other siblings to make a point {[that would be me doing that one too often] you think we can get the girls to have a pillow fight}? These teaching grammar skills have nothing more to do with life than to be one step above you long lost lovely sibling. Now that we have all found one another let the resurrection begin! Lets start with killing off one another and making each other so mad and intimidated, they will have no choice but to leave home once again! Lets just dog each other, call one another names and politely insult the pants off each other till we cannot belittle each one any further. Our productiveness precedes us all. Yes that was an attempt of humor once again! You can go though and correct all the misspellings and punctuations at a latter date and send me a full report on all the mistakes I have made. LMAO!
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Anyway I hope you all have a wonderful day at school, and mom has left your lunches in the fried with your names on the bag. She made mine way better than yours cause she loves me the best!!!! Welcome Home
Dark Shadows
12-07-2007, 01:23 PM
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Okay, if you guys are done contemplating what a lie is,or what French profanity is, maybe you could contemplate what you can do for your fellow humans in Western Washington. Please see my post about Northwest Disaster Relief.
You guys spend far too much time in front of the computer, why not spend some time on something constructive? It's a gorgeous day - I've been out there trying to collect blankets and coats for families, wondering why I'm doing this alone.
Please help. Thank you!
Okay, if you guys are done contemplating what a lie is,or what French profanity is, maybe you could contemplate what you can do for your fellow humans in Western Washington. Please see my post about Northwest Disaster Relief.
You guys spend far too much time in front of the computer, why not spend some time on something constructive? It's a gorgeous day - I've been out there trying to collect blankets and coats for families, wondering why I'm doing this alone.
Please help. Thank you!
ChristineL
12-07-2007, 06:15 PM
I am still puzzled,
These are the exact words the Phiant posted;
"just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
I could see your point that the words can be interpreted differently, but cruel would not come to my mind. I can understand that a 20-30 year old might feel there is no other solution. But to see a 64 year old man still dwell on that same sentiment is unhealthy in my estimation. When someone is that stuck in the past, you should encourage therapy instead of reinforcing resentment.
I do agree with you that LuLu had a way with words, that in the few words she choose a whole lot was said.
She felt it was a reflection of where the person was at in their life, by the way they reacted to her words.
One of her finest contributions I have always found was her exchange with Tecumseh under the name GiGi, (since she was banned at the time) in the thread called<TABLE class=tborder id=threadslist cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><!-- WaccoBB - End Thread Prefix Hack --><TD class=alt1 id=td_threadtitle_20832 title="Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is anything in Northern California or outside where I could do a vision quest using peyote. I'm very into knowing more about my path and where it will lead in the past psychedelics have helped along with...">Peyote Ceremony (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20832&highlight=%2ATecumseh%2A)
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She was able to let Tecumseh live up to his potential, and let him laugh at his anger. Had it been posted under ThePhiant's name, the outcome might have been different..............
That Willie needed to let go of the past and do something to resolve this pain from long ago is exactly what Mykil said when he suggested Willie call his ex-wife and possibly reach some peace and resolution to this issue. Willie listened to this advice. It's all in the wording isn't it? No resentment was reinforced. Whether cruel in intention or not, the post by ThePhiant was cutting and could be seen as being cruel.
Communicating in this manner can be difficult as tone of voice and facial expressions are absent. That's why we need to be as clear as possible re-reading our own posts a few times to try to make sure they truly convey what we intend.
I will say, once again, it doesn't matter who started this war of words or what the original intentions were behind some of the writings...it has become truly ugly and self-perpetuating. I would just like to see it stop. We can't learn from each other when the exchanges have become about who can think up the wittiest insult and who can cut the other one down best.
Christine
These are the exact words the Phiant posted;
"just that his explanation does not qualify as something "out of his control".
I could see your point that the words can be interpreted differently, but cruel would not come to my mind. I can understand that a 20-30 year old might feel there is no other solution. But to see a 64 year old man still dwell on that same sentiment is unhealthy in my estimation. When someone is that stuck in the past, you should encourage therapy instead of reinforcing resentment.
I do agree with you that LuLu had a way with words, that in the few words she choose a whole lot was said.
She felt it was a reflection of where the person was at in their life, by the way they reacted to her words.
One of her finest contributions I have always found was her exchange with Tecumseh under the name GiGi, (since she was banned at the time) in the thread called<TABLE class=tborder id=threadslist cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><!-- WaccoBB - End Thread Prefix Hack --><TD class=alt1 id=td_threadtitle_20832 title="Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is anything in Northern California or outside where I could do a vision quest using peyote. I'm very into knowing more about my path and where it will lead in the past psychedelics have helped along with...">Peyote Ceremony (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20832&highlight=%2ATecumseh%2A)
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She was able to let Tecumseh live up to his potential, and let him laugh at his anger. Had it been posted under ThePhiant's name, the outcome might have been different..............
That Willie needed to let go of the past and do something to resolve this pain from long ago is exactly what Mykil said when he suggested Willie call his ex-wife and possibly reach some peace and resolution to this issue. Willie listened to this advice. It's all in the wording isn't it? No resentment was reinforced. Whether cruel in intention or not, the post by ThePhiant was cutting and could be seen as being cruel.
Communicating in this manner can be difficult as tone of voice and facial expressions are absent. That's why we need to be as clear as possible re-reading our own posts a few times to try to make sure they truly convey what we intend.
I will say, once again, it doesn't matter who started this war of words or what the original intentions were behind some of the writings...it has become truly ugly and self-perpetuating. I would just like to see it stop. We can't learn from each other when the exchanges have become about who can think up the wittiest insult and who can cut the other one down best.
Christine