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Tars
10-31-2007, 08:56 AM
It's disheartening sometimes, to see the corruption and blatant evilness perpetrated by human beings, seemingly whenever the opportunity arises. Once in awhile it might help put things in perspective to see theft on a truly cosmic scale. which shows how petty human can truly be.

Here's a photo, just released by NASA, which shows two galaxies, each with billions of stars. One galaxy is "stealing" matter from the other. Eventually they will completely collide an merge. A merger on a scale that shows how puny corporate & political corruption is in the span of history, doesn't it?


https://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2007/36/images/a/formats/web.jpg

NASA article (https://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2007/36/image/a/) (with larger versions of this Hubble photo)


Text of NASA article:

"Two galaxies perform an intricate dance in this new Hubble Space Telescope image. The galaxies, containing a vast number of stars, swing past each other in a graceful performance choreographed by gravity.
The pair, known collectively as Arp 87, is one of hundreds of interacting and merging galaxies known in our nearby universe. Arp 87 was originally cataloged by astronomer Halton Arp in the mid 1960s. Arp's Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies is a compilation of astronomical photographs using the Palomar 200-inch Hale and the 48-inch Samuel Oschin telescopes.


The resolution in the Hubble image shows exquisite detail and fine structure that was not observable when Arp 87 was first cataloged in the 1960s.
The two main players comprising Arp 87 are NGC 3808 on the right (the larger of the two galaxies) and its companion NGC 3808A on the left. NGC 3808 is a nearly face-on spiral galaxy with a bright ring of star formation and several prominent dust arms. Stars, gas, and dust flow from NGC 3808, forming an enveloping arm around its companion. NGC 3808A is a spiral galaxy seen edge-on and is surrounded by a rotating ring that contains stars and interstellar gas clouds. The ring is situated perpendicular to the plane of the host galaxy disk and is called a "polar ring."


As seen in other mergers similar to Arp 87, the corkscrew shape of the tidal material or bridge of shared matter between the two galaxies suggests that some stars and gas drawn from the larger galaxy have been caught in the gravitational pull of the smaller one. The shapes of both galaxies have been distorted by their gravitational interaction with one another.


Interacting galaxies often exhibit high rates of star formation. Many lines of evidence - colors of their starlight, intensity of emission lines from interstellar gas, far-infrared output from heated interstellar dust - support this fact. Some merging galaxies have the highest levels of star formation we can find anywhere in the nearby universe.


A major aspect of this excess star formation could be properly revealed only when Hubble turned its imaging capabilities toward colliding galaxies. Among the observatory's first discoveries was that galaxies with very active star formation contain large numbers of super star clusters - clusters more compact and richer in young stars than astronomers were accustomed to seeing in our galactic neighborhood.


Arp 87 is in the constellation Leo, the Lion, approximately 300 million light-years away from Earth. These observations were taken in February 2007 with the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2. Light from isolated blue, green, red, and infrared ranges was composited together to form this color image."

alanora
10-31-2007, 11:29 AM
nasa has an astronomy picture of the day which serves as a reminder daily of our puniness. apod-nasa works to find it and a book mark makes it a convenient feature. Fellow travelers welcome.


It's disheartening sometimes, to see the corruption and blatant evilness perpetrated by human beings, seemingly whenever the opportunity arises. Once in awhile it might help put things in perspective to see theft on a truly cosmic scale. which shows how petty human can truly be.

Here's a photo, just released by NASA, which shows two galaxies, each with billions of stars. One galaxy is "stealing" matter from the other. Eventually they will completely collide an merge. A merger on a scale that shows how puny corporate & political corruption is in the span of history, doesn't it?


https://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2007/36/images/a/formats/web.jpg

NASA article (https://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2007/36/image/a/) (with larger versions of this Hubble photo)


Text of NASA article:

"Two galaxies perform an intricate dance in this new Hubble Space Telescope image. ...

Clancy
10-31-2007, 11:42 AM
nasa has an astronomy picture of the day which serves as a reminder daily of our puniness...


We're only puny if we think of ourselves as observers that are somehow seperate from the universe, but the reality is, we're just a part of the universe observing itself, and that is extrodinarily miraculous when you think about it.

alanora
10-31-2007, 12:14 PM
yes exactly


We're only puny if we think of ourselves as observers that are somehow seperate from the universe, but the reality is, we're just a part of the universe observing itself, and that is extrodinarily miraculous when you think about it.

Tars
10-31-2007, 01:28 PM
We're only puny if we think of ourselves as observers that are somehow seperate from the universe

Impossible to be separate from the universe. Don't know who thinks they are, but if so, they're wrong. But on the scale of two galaxies colliding - uncounted stars, unimaginable amounts of matter & energy, we're puny. It's OK to be an infinessimally small part of the universe.

If there is anything about humanity that is puny, it's the small-minded self-centered greed that causes so much damage to the human spirit - things like Enron, Iraq subjugation, Darfur, Dachau... But even for all that puniness, the universe rolls majestically on, and will continue to do so even after even the memory of those who remember the misdeeds of puny humans have disappeared.

Clancy
10-31-2007, 01:42 PM
I dare say most people think they're an observer, separate from the universe. Of course it's a logical impossibility, but that has never stopped us from being wrong and suffering for it.


Impossible to be separate from the universe. Don't know who thinks they are, but if so, they're wrong. But on the scale of two galaxies colliding - uncounted stars, unimaginable amounts of matter & energy, we're puny. It's OK to be an infinessimally small part of the universe.

If there is anything about humanity that is puny, it's the small-minded self-centered greed that causes so much damage to the human spirit - things like Enron, Iraq subjugation, Darfur, Dachau... But even for all that puniness, the universe rolls majestically on, and will continue to do so even after even the memory of those who remember the misdeeds of puny humans have disappeared.