Who's a troll?

[ThePhiant]

Well said, NT and light

Sonomamark is a troll
he reposts an outdated announcement to stir up trouble
he uses ignorance and prejudice rather than experience to base his fallacies





Dear WaccoBB friend . . .

I am curious about why so many WaccoBB participants are upset with Allan Hardman. I have known Allan for years, and never once got the impression that he believed we do not need each other. He created the Summer Celebration of Love so people could get together and express their love for Life, for Each Other, and for the Earth.

He teaches that we are each complete as Human Beings, and do not need anyone else to fill the emptiness which many believe exists inside us. We were born with the capacity to know, understand, and share Love, and expressing this love with others is vital.

We choose mates because we feel comfortable with them and want to explore all the goodness and beauty of Life with them. If we do not feel comfortable with ourselves, and believe someone else can make us whole and complete, we may want to explore the magic and essential goodness that dwells within us before choosing a mate.

The 'age of the guru' is over. We all have the ability to plunge right in and play a vital role in creating a new Earth, inhabited by beautiful Beings who express Love and Light in all we do. I have found Allan Hardman to be very available and urge you to contact him through his website, Joydancer.com. You will be excited to discover there's lots of room for expansion in the New Consciousness. There's a wonderful Place for us all to participate, to create, and express while we grow.

Yours in Peace and Wisdom,

Light :):

[ThePhiant]

it is this kind of nihilistic emptiness that keeps atheists, without a conscious, attacking other people beause they have something to offer
this dribble is the nadir of nothingness
the triumph of a troll


Well, I agree, Light wrote some very pretty prose.

...
Mark

[Sonomamark]

I've said this before, but this is a different thread, so for readers of this one--I see that ThePhiant has replied to my post. However, that person is on my Ignore list, and I do not see its posts. Thus, I won't be responding to whatever it has said.

Thanks again, Barry, for the wonderful troll filter function.


Mark

[ThePhiant]

Thanks mark for admitting you are a troll !!!!
reading my posts, sticking your head in the sand so that you can talk out of your A is one way to hide behind your fallacies.
it is only soooooooooooooooo transparent
addressing the issues as they arise would be a Mark of Maturity, but unfortunately that is not something you strive for.


I've said this before, but this is a different thread, so for readers of this one--I see that ThePhiant has replied to my post. However, that person is on my Ignore list, and I do not see its posts. Thus, I won't be responding to whatever it has said.

Thanks again, Barry, for the wonderful troll filter function.


Mark

[ThePhiant]

MUSIC?
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MUSIC?
Oh yeah only a troll would derail a thread purposely in order not to have deal with the issues


I've been thinking about this bit, and thought I'd chime in again.

It certainly hasn't been lost on me that in recent years, "kids these days" has actually crept into my lexicon. It's shocking to me: I was a punk rocker, and if you see me driving my old 1987 Honda down Occidental Road, odds are good there is a Very Loud Sound coming out of it in the form of something embarrassingly head-banging like the Von Bondies, X, Firewater, the Donnas or the Voidoids. Well, when I'm not listening to early music, which is my other love.

But our culture has changed, and not for the better. The two elements I identify as most at fault for this go directly to youth culture which has predominated since GenX, and they are:

1) A sense of personal entitlement that is so inflated as to be grotesque. The typical middle class kid coming of age in the US over the past 20 years or so not only expects to be handed a college education, a car, and every electronic toy available under the sun...s/he also expects to move directly into some kind of "self fulfilling" job that pays a lot but doesn't actually involve a lot of work. It's staggering, and I have no doubt that it is a direct outgrowth of the we-deserve-it-all mentality of the 60's.

2) Hip-hop culture. This isn't about race: most of the market for hip-hop is white teenaged middle class boys. Taken as a whole, hip-hop is shallow, materialistic, violent, misogynistic and homophobic: it's like the mind of a 16-year-old male on steroids and speed. Because it is entirely rhythmic, it is incapable of tenderness, and this narrow emotional palette leads to a whole generation whose understanding of how to be is strutting, confrontational, demanding, brutal and conspicuously consuming. Whether there are some artists that are somewhat different in message is beside the point.

Others will complain, I expect, that this is just like the older folks in the 20's complaining about jazz as "that Devil music", likewise rock n' roll in the 50's, but I haven't heard the one about Dion and the Belmont's posse rubbing out a bunch of Elvis' crew, have you? This is something different. It is the ugliness of America's violent and greedy nature, distilled down to something pure and ugly, and set to a beat.

My critique isn't just about "kids these days", but kids don't have the benefit of life experience to temper the garbage pouring into their ears from mainstream culture, so they're far more susceptible to it. When murderous video games and drum-thumping chants about killing, beating and raping are "entertainment", it's no surprise we've got problems.

Of course, somebody makes money on it. In America, I guess that makes it all okay.



Mark

[ThePhiant]

yes, people can only receive what they are ready for.
ignorance is bliss


Dear Sonomamark, and others who have written:

Thank you for your opinions in response to my curiosity. I have taken to heart the things you said. Of course, we are all in different places, and we all have a lot to learn. Often we make statements which probably seem simplicistic to others, just because that's where we were at the moment. I certainly did not mean to insult anyone's intelligence!

Anyhow, we sure have lots to think about, don't we?

Best regards to all, Light

[Dixon]

...Thanks again, Barry, for the wonderful troll filter function.

I myself have decided not to filter out the troll, as it's become so much fun to see it desperately try to push various buttons in hopes of a response that I never give it anymore. Watching a troll squirm in ineffectual frustration has become a delight for me. Every time it tries to stir up conflict by purposely misinterpreting people's obvious meanings, drawing silly inferences from others' posts that really weren't implied, saying things which clearly have no other purpose than to get a rise out of some sucker, or even trying to provoke others by calling THEM trolls (LOL!), I picture the troll in my mind's eye, squirming in frustration due to our non-response to their pathetic attempts at provocation, and I fucking LOVE IT! I'm glad I learned pretty quickly that non-response is the best revenge.

Now my life is enriched by the entertaining spectacle of watching this pathetic creature squirm! I recommend this hobby to everyone. It's safe, healthy and doesn't cost a dime. So, trolls (you know who you are), keep the bullshit coming; we're counting on you for entertainment.

Dixon

[ThePhiant]

so it is our highness who has descended upon us to come to the aid of his fellow namecallers



I myself have decided not to filter out the troll, as it's become so much fun to see it desperately try to push various buttons in hopes of a response that I never give it anymore
very interesting statement Dixie,
you are starting to sound more and more like the other atheists, who sound more and more like Bill Clinton when he said he didn't have sex with that woman.
you aren't responding????????? LMFAO


Watching a troll squirm in ineffectual frustration has become a delight for me.
this is a very immature statement for a 50 year old.
it is something a troll would say though


Every time it tries to stir up conflict by purposely misinterpreting people's obvious meanings, drawing silly inferences from others' posts that really weren't implied, saying things which clearly have no other purpose than to get a rise out of some sucker, or even trying to provoke others by calling THEM trolls (LOL!),
very judgmental but no substance
something a troll would say


I picture the troll in my mind's eye, squirming in frustration due to our non-response to their pathetic attempts at provocation,
very immature again
something a troll would get off on

and I fucking LOVE IT!
trolls are known for foul language

I'm glad I learned pretty quickly that non-response is the best revenge.

so it is revenge you are after
very immature but something a troll would do

Now my life is enriched by the entertaining spectacle of watching this pathetic creature squirm! I recommend this hobby to everyone. It's safe, healthy and doesn't cost a dime. So, trolls (you know who you are), keep the bullshit coming; we're counting on you for entertainment.

Dixon
this is quite a fantasy you are living, I am glad you got it off your chest


you might not take my word for it that you behave like a troll
but this was posted by a dear, dear friend mine on 3-26-07
regarding Weeding The Phiant
you might even be able to guess who it is

I'm not sure whether to call him/her a troll. That seems to imply some assumptions about his/her motivations and, speaking as one who occasionally is the target of false asssumptions about my own motivations from those who disagree with me, I'm sensitive to the fact that we're on thin ice when we make presumptions about others' motivations.

Although it makes sense to attribute purposeful disputatiousness to someone who chooses nicknames one of which is a pun on "defiant" and the other on "giant prick", I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

So I would stop short of the troll assumption, though it could be true. Assessing the situation on the basis of her/his actual behavior without assumptions about her/his intentions, I note that s/he/it stops short of actual verbal abuse, preferring sarcasm (which I myself am no stranger to!) and irrational argument. It seems to me that if we were to excommunicate ThePhiant due to sarcasm, I and several others would also be outtahere, and if we were to excommunicate ThePhiant due to irrationality and closed-mindedness, we'd have to kick out two-thirds of Wacco's membership for the same reason.

love
LuLu

[ThePhiant]

so this is the most amazing thing
I apparently started a new topic without my knowledge!!!.
so thank you Barry for raising the issue!!!
it appears that there is more than one person that qualifies to be called a troll, or do we all have a little troll in us?
taking my posts out of context is not helpful, Barry
unless you are the supreme troll who tops us all


so it is our highness who has descended upon us to come to the aid of his fellow namecallers



you might not take my word for it that you behave like a troll
but this was posted by a dear, dear friend mine on 3-26-07
regarding Weeding The Phiant
you might even be able to guess who it is

I'm not sure whether to call him/her a troll. That seems to imply some assumptions about his/her motivations and, speaking as one who occasionally is the target of false asssumptions about my own motivations from those who disagree with me, I'm sensitive to the fact that we're on thin ice when we make presumptions about others' motivations.

Although it makes sense to attribute purposeful disputatiousness to someone who chooses nicknames one of which is a pun on "defiant" and the other on "giant prick", I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt.

So I would stop short of the troll assumption, though it could be true. Assessing the situation on the basis of her/his actual behavior without assumptions about her/his intentions, I note that s/he/it stops short of actual verbal abuse, preferring sarcasm (which I myself am no stranger to!) and irrational argument. It seems to me that if we were to excommunicate ThePhiant due to sarcasm, I and several others would also be outtahere, and if we were to excommunicate ThePhiant due to irrationality and closed-mindedness, we'd have to kick out two-thirds of Wacco's membership for the same reason.

love
LuLu

[Valley Oak]

LOL!

Edward


I myself have decided not to filter out the troll, as it's become so much fun to see it desperately try to push various buttons in hopes of a response that I never give it anymore. Watching a troll squirm in ineffectual frustration has become a delight for me. Every time it tries to stir up conflict by purposely misinterpreting people's obvious meanings, drawing silly inferences from others' posts that really weren't implied, saying things which clearly have no other purpose than to get a rise out of some sucker, or even trying to provoke others by calling THEM trolls (LOL!), I picture the troll in my mind's eye, squirming in frustration due to our non-response to their pathetic attempts at provocation, and I fucking LOVE IT! I'm glad I learned pretty quickly that non-response is the best revenge.

Now my life is enriched by the entertaining spectacle of watching this pathetic creature squirm! I recommend this hobby to everyone. It's safe, healthy and doesn't cost a dime. So, trolls (you know who you are), keep the bullshit coming; we're counting on you for entertainment.

Dixon

[ThePhiant]

Barry, the poll-troll is feeling left out


LOL!

Edward

[mykil]

WOW; Now I wanna be a TroLL

[ThePhiant]

Mykil, you don't get it
you can't ASK to become a troll
you have to be nominated by another troll
caus only trolls know what a real troll acts like
the one with the most nominations becomes the KingTroll
and that would be me,
since Trolls do everything backwards
I am going to take Dixie as my Queentroll
don't you think we would make a lovely pair???


WOW; Now I wanna be a TroLL

if you keep using those asinine big letters, I might call you a troll
that is a MAYBE

[Valley Oak]

How about if we have a Troll Poll to find out who the Wacco community thinks is the King Troll? And see how many votes troll number 2, 3, etc get. We can include the option where people can create a new candidate of their preference so that it's not a closed poll. The poll would evolve with time, of course, as new trolls come and go and the top trolls continue to outdo each other as in a horse race.

We could also have troll support groups and conferences and maybe even organize to get a 501c3 status and go national.

How about it?

Edward


WOW; Now I wanna be a TroLL

[ThePhiant]

only a real troll would dare to challenge the king.
you can set up a poll for who's king and who's queen
but if i don't like it, I'll just change the rules
just like the supreme being
ihihhihihiihiihihihiihhihihihihihihihihihihihhihihihihihiihihhiihihi


How about if we have a Troll Poll to find out who the Wacco community thinks is the King Troll? And see how many votes troll number 2, 3, etc get. We can include the option where people can create a new candidate of their preference so that it's not a closed poll. The poll would evolve with time, of course, as new trolls come and go and the top trolls continue to outdo each other as in a horse race.

We could also have troll support groups and conferences and maybe even organize to get a 501c3 status and go national.

How about it?

Edward

[Valley Oak]

Now you're beginning to sound like Caligula and that's scary and creepy! Everything has to be according to your rules only and you can change them at your whim? I'm not sure I want to play along.

Part of what peaked my interest was that since you had referred to me recently as the "poll troll" then it would be unique for the Poll Troll to hold a troll-poll.

How about this: you organize the poll as you see fit and if you wish, your Highness, the Wacco Community will be able to at least offer their input. Polls are very, very easy to do.

What do you think?

Edward



only a real troll would dare to challenge the king.
you can set up a poll for who's king and who's queen
but if i don't like it, I'll just change the rules
just like the supreme being
ihihhihihiihiihihihiihhihihihihihihihihihihihhihihihihihiihihhiihihi

[Barry]

Note that only Supporting Members can create polls, but everybody can vote in them. Supporting Members can also change their user title to whatever they want it to be.

[mykil]

LMAO; I think he is talking to you lulu, you may alwayz send it your donations, thus still being under a shadow and still in cloak mode. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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How will you all advertise for your election? Will you try and bribe your way to the top like so many in our system already? Will you kiss little babies? Will you kiss my…? Except Roble, I’m still a little afraid of him! LMAO! Will you attempt to alter the outcome? WE have seen this even in this millennium. Will you be satisfied with being top troll, or will you want more power and eventually run for a real office and may us all proud, or disappointed? Whichever is cool with me? As long as I can say “I TOLD YOU SHE/HE/IT WOULD SCREW US ALL OVER”! Hmmm IF I know LULU she is already signing up in different names getting ready for battle! Who has the most free time to get out on the campaign trail and make there drams of being Head Troll a reality?<o:p></o:p>
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I myself have not enough free time, just got in from Harbin, the waters were just festinating with all the young luscious really long legged crown of twenty something heartbreakers, the new sauna and steam room are to die for. No more squeeze box and the tolerance level has increased dramatically in those parts of the facility also. Went straight to auction and bought a ton of stuff I need to pick up… If you ever have a poll for the cutest guy in town, I am sure I will win without even trying!!!! Cause I am soooo fucking fine!!!!!!<o:p></o:p>
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[ThePhiant]

LMAO; I think he is talking to you lulu, you may alwayz send it your donations, thus still being under a shadow and still in cloak mode
Oh yes, Barry and I meet in secret sometimes....................<o:p></o:p>
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How will you all advertise for your election? Will you try and bribe your way to the top like so many in our system already? Will you kiss little babies? Will you kiss my…?everybody knows La LuLu
mykil are you a supporting member?
you know I like a member that can stand up on it's own


Except Roble, I’m still a little afraid of him! LMAO! Will you attempt to alter the outcome? WE have seen this even in this millennium. Will you be satisfied with being top troll, or will you want more power and eventually run for a real office and may us all proud, or disappointed? Whichever is cool with me? As long as I can say “I TOLD YOU SHE/HE/IT WOULD SCREW US ALL OVER”! Hmmm IF I know LULU she is already signing up in different names getting ready for battle! Who has the most free time to get out on the campaign trail and make there drams of being Head Troll a reality?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>mykil, just because I talked strategy with you, that doesn't mean you have to expose me before the poll
Maybe I make you the Queen Troll
but you might have to convert to atheism


I myself have not enough free time, just got in from Harbin, the waters were just festinating with all the young luscious really long legged crown of twenty something heartbreakers, the new sauna and steam room are to die for. No more squeeze box and the tolerance level has increased dramatically in those parts of the facility also. Went straight to auction and bought a ton of stuff I need to pick up…you call that work??

If you ever have a poll for the cutest guy in town, I am sure I will win without even trying!!!! Cause I am soooo fucking fine!!!!!! <o:p></o:p>[/quote]
you are de-fine!

[ThePhiant]

the supreme being has spoken
and you are the poll-troll

don't forget, I am only 1 vote behind Ron Paul


Now you're beginning to sound like Caligula and that's scary and creepy! Everything has to be according to your rules only and you can change them at your whim? I'm not sure I want to play along.

Part of what peaked my interest was that since you had referred to me recently as the "poll troll" then it would be unique for the Poll Troll to hold a troll-poll.

How about this: you organize the poll as you see fit and if you wish, your Highness, the Wacco Community will be able to at least offer their input. Polls are very, very easy to do.

What do you think?

Edward

[Dixon]

...How about this: you organize the poll as you see fit...

Hi, Edward;

Please note that if someone who is generally recognized as a troll organizes the poll, those of us who have adopted a policy of not responding to trolls will not participate, and that will seriously bias the results.

Dixon

[ThePhiant]

Dixie,
you are getting funnier by the day!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAA
complaining about the end results BUT refusing to participate?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pontius Pilatus washed his hands too, but at least he didn't complain about the results being seriously biased
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am counting yours and clancy vote as a vote of confidence for me!
anybody else who doesn't vote will go to me too



Hi, Edward;

Please note that if someone who is generally recognized as a troll organizes the poll, those of us who have adopted a policy of not responding to trolls will not participate, and that will seriously bias the results.

Dixon

[Valley Oak]

Dixon, I love your new nickname, "Diety!" Very appropriate considering the extensive debates and threads on related subjects the past few weeks or even months.

It had not occured to me that what you mentioned could happen. I didn't even take it into consideration. I'm hoping that with time and participation that trickles in, there will be enough votes to get a straw poll result on who the troll royalty should be.

Talking about royalty, that gives me the idea that there could be a king AND a queen!

Edward



Hi, Edward;

Please note that if someone who is generally recognized as a troll organizes the poll, those of us who have adopted a policy of not responding to trolls will not participate, and that will seriously bias the results.

Dixon

[ThePhiant]

???



Dixon, I love your new nickname, "Diety!" Very appropriate considering the extensive debates and threads on related subjects the past few weeks or even months.
Dixie has been a deity since day one


It had not occured to me that what you mentioned could happen. I didn't even take it into consideration. I'm hoping that with time and participation that trickles in, there will be enough votes to get a straw poll result on who the troll royalty should be.
anybody who wants their cake and eat it too, must be a troll


Talking about royalty, that gives me the idea that there could be a king AND a queen! but Edward, that was the whole point of the poll to begin with
the King was looking for a Queen
do we need 2 polls?

Edward