Valley Oak
08-18-2007, 02:17 AM
Is there really such a thing as God, Gods, Goddess, or Goddesses?
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
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ThePhiant
08-18-2007, 10:49 AM
what is your definition of God
Is there really such a thing as "god" or "gods/goddesses?"
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
Is there really such a thing as "god" or "gods/goddesses?"
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
Valley Oak
08-18-2007, 11:33 AM
Something that doesn't exist.
what is your definition of God
what is your definition of God
ThePhiant
08-18-2007, 06:04 PM
:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:
Something that doesn't exist.
you and Dixie,
:hmmm:you want to find out if something that doesn't exist, if it doesn't exist???:hmmm:
Something that doesn't exist.
you and Dixie,
:hmmm:you want to find out if something that doesn't exist, if it doesn't exist???:hmmm:
Valley Oak
08-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Not quite, Phiant. I'm not asking the question to learn about something I already know about. I am canvassing this community out of curiosity to find out what it believes and doesn't believe, and also to generate thought about an important issue; in other words, get people to think a little bit about this kind of thing. The valuable process of forum and debate enlightens people's minds and is therefore educational and promotes individual as well as collective growth.
Does that satisfy your query?
Edward
:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:
you and Dixie,
:hmmm:you want to find out if something that doesn't exist, if it doesn't exist???:hmmm:
Does that satisfy your query?
Edward
:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:
you and Dixie,
:hmmm:you want to find out if something that doesn't exist, if it doesn't exist???:hmmm:
ThePhiant
08-19-2007, 09:53 AM
that is quite a lofty statement
but you see, the fallacy in your thinking is that if it doesn't exist, how come you are talking about it??
Not quite, Phiant. I'm not asking the question to learn about something I already know about. I am canvassing this community out of curiosity to find out what it believes and doesn't believe, and also to generate thought about an important issue; in other words, get people to think a little bit about this kind of thing. The valuable process of forum and debate enlightens people's minds and is therefore educational and promotes individual as well as collective growth.
Does that satisfy your query?
Edward
but you see, the fallacy in your thinking is that if it doesn't exist, how come you are talking about it??
Not quite, Phiant. I'm not asking the question to learn about something I already know about. I am canvassing this community out of curiosity to find out what it believes and doesn't believe, and also to generate thought about an important issue; in other words, get people to think a little bit about this kind of thing. The valuable process of forum and debate enlightens people's minds and is therefore educational and promotes individual as well as collective growth.
Does that satisfy your query?
Edward
Valley Oak
08-19-2007, 10:55 AM
No fallacy at all.
If you talk about Santa Claus, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you talk about science fiction, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you are talking about the future and what might come of it; indeed, every time you make plans, you are talking about something that doesn't exist. All people, everyday, in some aspect of their lives, no matter how trivial, thinks, contemplates, and talks about some thing that does not exist. Clear?
Edward
that is quite a lofty statement
but you see, the fallacy in your thinking is that if it doesn't exist, how come you are talking about it??
If you talk about Santa Claus, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you talk about science fiction, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you are talking about the future and what might come of it; indeed, every time you make plans, you are talking about something that doesn't exist. All people, everyday, in some aspect of their lives, no matter how trivial, thinks, contemplates, and talks about some thing that does not exist. Clear?
Edward
that is quite a lofty statement
but you see, the fallacy in your thinking is that if it doesn't exist, how come you are talking about it??
ThePhiant
08-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Santa Claus doesn't exist? hohohohohohohohohoohhohho
you don't get presents on Xmas????
so cut the crap roble
give us your definition of GOD!!!!!!!!
No fallacy at all.
If you talk about Santa Claus, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you talk about science fiction, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you are talking about the future and what might come of it; indeed, every time you make plans, you are talking about something that doesn't exist. All people, everyday, in some aspect of their lives, no matter how trivial, thinks, contemplates, and talks about some thing that does not exist. Clear?
Edward
you don't get presents on Xmas????
so cut the crap roble
give us your definition of GOD!!!!!!!!
No fallacy at all.
If you talk about Santa Claus, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you talk about science fiction, then you are talking about something that doesn't exist. If you are talking about the future and what might come of it; indeed, every time you make plans, you are talking about something that doesn't exist. All people, everyday, in some aspect of their lives, no matter how trivial, thinks, contemplates, and talks about some thing that does not exist. Clear?
Edward
Valley Oak
08-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Then add an option saying: "god is a stone on a shrine"
If your point is "what is god," which is in part what the Phiant was referring to, then you define it as you please. God is a very personal thing, right? Then provide an option for your god. Put up or shut up.
Not in the least bit Edward, you made a statement that God doesn’t exist, yet you started a poll asking whom believes if he does exist! That is a really cynical statement BTW! God to one is completely different than God to someone else. For you to make a statement that God doesn’t exist is completely off the wall. Some tribes in remote areas of the world think god is a stone on a shrine, to them this is God, now does it exist? Maybe God doesn’t exist to you, but…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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If your point is "what is god," which is in part what the Phiant was referring to, then you define it as you please. God is a very personal thing, right? Then provide an option for your god. Put up or shut up.
Not in the least bit Edward, you made a statement that God doesn’t exist, yet you started a poll asking whom believes if he does exist! That is a really cynical statement BTW! God to one is completely different than God to someone else. For you to make a statement that God doesn’t exist is completely off the wall. Some tribes in remote areas of the world think god is a stone on a shrine, to them this is God, now does it exist? Maybe God doesn’t exist to you, but…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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ThePhiant
08-19-2007, 01:18 PM
Put up or shut up.
that's right roble
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION
that's right roble
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION
Valley Oak
08-19-2007, 01:22 PM
Websters Unabridged Dictionary:
God (god) , n., v., godded, goddin, interj. --n.
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. (l.c.) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs
4. (often l.c.) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
6. (l.c.) an image of a deity; an idol.
7. (l.c.) any deified person or object.
8. (often l.c.) Gods, Theat.
a. the upper the balcony in a theater.
b. the spectators in this part of the balcony. --vt.
9. (l.c.) to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize. --interj.
10. (used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense? [bef. 900; ME, OE; c. D god, G Gott, ON goth, Goth guth]
Santa Claus doesn't exist? hohohohohohohohohoohhohho
you don't get presents on Xmas????
so cut the crap roble
give us your definition of GOD!!!!!!!!
God (god) , n., v., godded, goddin, interj. --n.
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. (l.c.) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs
4. (often l.c.) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
6. (l.c.) an image of a deity; an idol.
7. (l.c.) any deified person or object.
8. (often l.c.) Gods, Theat.
a. the upper the balcony in a theater.
b. the spectators in this part of the balcony. --vt.
9. (l.c.) to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize. --interj.
10. (used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense? [bef. 900; ME, OE; c. D god, G Gott, ON goth, Goth guth]
Santa Claus doesn't exist? hohohohohohohohohoohhohho
you don't get presents on Xmas????
so cut the crap roble
give us your definition of GOD!!!!!!!!
ThePhiant
08-19-2007, 01:28 PM
the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
I had a suspicion that Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle weren't part of your existence
I had a suspicion that Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle weren't part of your existence
Valley Oak
08-19-2007, 02:16 PM
Thank you, Phiant. Did it ever occur to you that I might have feelings too?
Edward
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I had a suspicion that Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle weren't part of your existence
Edward
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I had a suspicion that Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle weren't part of your existence
ThePhiant
08-19-2007, 05:30 PM
nice try roble, I really can sense your deep emotions
did it ever occur to you that GOD might have feelings too???
I asked for YOUR definition of God
not the dictionary's one
that way we can determine what it is that you believe doesn't exist
and maybe figure out what you think does exist
you accused OD of being unclear
but you sound all fuzzy to me
are you you going to put up or shut up???
Thank you, Phiant. Did it ever occur to you that I might have feelings too?
Edward
did it ever occur to you that GOD might have feelings too???
I asked for YOUR definition of God
not the dictionary's one
that way we can determine what it is that you believe doesn't exist
and maybe figure out what you think does exist
you accused OD of being unclear
but you sound all fuzzy to me
are you you going to put up or shut up???
Thank you, Phiant. Did it ever occur to you that I might have feelings too?
Edward
Valley Oak
08-19-2007, 08:45 PM
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
nice try roble, I really can sense your deep emotions
did it ever occur to you that GOD might have feelings too???
I asked for YOUR definition of God
not the dictionary's one
that way we can determine what it is that you believe doesn't exist
and maybe figure out what you think does exist
you accused OD of being unclear
but you sound all fuzzy to me
are you you going to put up or shut up???
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
nice try roble, I really can sense your deep emotions
did it ever occur to you that GOD might have feelings too???
I asked for YOUR definition of God
not the dictionary's one
that way we can determine what it is that you believe doesn't exist
and maybe figure out what you think does exist
you accused OD of being unclear
but you sound all fuzzy to me
are you you going to put up or shut up???
Tinque
08-20-2007, 12:19 AM
I can say that I have definetely felt like I was a Goddess a few times in my life and I have felt the presence of other Goddesses in my life. That is a FACT !
ThePhiant
08-20-2007, 08:10 AM
you are my Supernova Goddess
I can say that I have definetely felt like I was a Goddess a few times in my life and I have felt the presence of other Goddesses in my life. That is a FACT !
I can say that I have definetely felt like I was a Goddess a few times in my life and I have felt the presence of other Goddesses in my life. That is a FACT !
ThePhiant
08-20-2007, 08:31 AM
Edward,
apparently it pains you to express an opinion, and speak for yourself
when I used your quote from the dictionary, (#13) you started crying(#14)
when I am asking you to clarify your answer you go blank.
if God doesn't exist for you why is it such a big problem for you when God exist for others?
if God doesn't exist, how can you not believe in God
there needs to be a definition of GOD, in order for you to NOT believe
it seems that all of this is way over your head
so I'll will leave you to your platitudes, since your polls don't seem to be very inspirational to many people
LuLu
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
apparently it pains you to express an opinion, and speak for yourself
when I used your quote from the dictionary, (#13) you started crying(#14)
when I am asking you to clarify your answer you go blank.
if God doesn't exist for you why is it such a big problem for you when God exist for others?
if God doesn't exist, how can you not believe in God
there needs to be a definition of GOD, in order for you to NOT believe
it seems that all of this is way over your head
so I'll will leave you to your platitudes, since your polls don't seem to be very inspirational to many people
LuLu
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
ThePhiant
08-20-2007, 09:11 AM
eddie,
you see you can call me a troll
you can call Barry God
but I can not
I get censored
you have the protection of the supreme Barry
how can you not believe in GOD?????????/
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
you see you can call me a troll
you can call Barry God
but I can not
I get censored
you have the protection of the supreme Barry
how can you not believe in GOD?????????/
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
Valley Oak
08-20-2007, 10:52 AM
Dearest Mykil,
I am terribly, terribly sorry to disappoint you. I had no idea that I had actually succeeded in creating a following and that I needed to tend to it. I am an awful leader and gave up trying to run for President or graduating from West Point many years ago. I have character deficiencies and I am by no means flawless. I make mistakes. I have idiosyncrasies and a few other qualifiers as well. I am not much for imagery or trying to maintain it like a U.S. politician, an actor, or a cult leader (Baba Ram Das, etc). As a matter of fact, I loathe the idea. I am at the same time horrified and happy to have shattered you illusions of my grandeur. Horrified because I let you down. And happy that I am free from trying to live up to something that I had been ascribed to without my knowledge or intent. I am free once again to continue to be a public fool, to be imperfect, and to be human; to be who I really am.
I must thank you in some measure, Mykil, for the opportunity to liberate myself from the shackles of false imagery and reputation.
Sincerely,
Edward
PS: If you wish, we can speak with Barry to see if we can hold an electronic funeral service in honor of the death of Mykil's perception of Edward.
EDWARD YOU WROTE THIS?
Something that doesn't exist.
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No Edward, you wrote this statement! Plain and simple, you want us to answer a question to make yourself feel above others that do believe? LMAO!!!! What is this again? The pecking order starts here, get in line right behind the unbelievers? Cause if anyone has any belief system they are beneath you? I used to think you where brighter than this, now I am not sure! I will hold my judgment suspended in time, and not think to hastily, give you the option to take your foot out of your mouth, step back and reevaluate your thought pattern to include the entire community. You remember the entire community? Oh sorry for getting LULU all riled up also! <o:p></o:p>
I am terribly, terribly sorry to disappoint you. I had no idea that I had actually succeeded in creating a following and that I needed to tend to it. I am an awful leader and gave up trying to run for President or graduating from West Point many years ago. I have character deficiencies and I am by no means flawless. I make mistakes. I have idiosyncrasies and a few other qualifiers as well. I am not much for imagery or trying to maintain it like a U.S. politician, an actor, or a cult leader (Baba Ram Das, etc). As a matter of fact, I loathe the idea. I am at the same time horrified and happy to have shattered you illusions of my grandeur. Horrified because I let you down. And happy that I am free from trying to live up to something that I had been ascribed to without my knowledge or intent. I am free once again to continue to be a public fool, to be imperfect, and to be human; to be who I really am.
I must thank you in some measure, Mykil, for the opportunity to liberate myself from the shackles of false imagery and reputation.
Sincerely,
Edward
PS: If you wish, we can speak with Barry to see if we can hold an electronic funeral service in honor of the death of Mykil's perception of Edward.
EDWARD YOU WROTE THIS?
Something that doesn't exist.
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No Edward, you wrote this statement! Plain and simple, you want us to answer a question to make yourself feel above others that do believe? LMAO!!!! What is this again? The pecking order starts here, get in line right behind the unbelievers? Cause if anyone has any belief system they are beneath you? I used to think you where brighter than this, now I am not sure! I will hold my judgment suspended in time, and not think to hastily, give you the option to take your foot out of your mouth, step back and reevaluate your thought pattern to include the entire community. You remember the entire community? Oh sorry for getting LULU all riled up also! <o:p></o:p>
Valley Oak
08-20-2007, 11:08 AM
Thank you, Mykil, for permission to wallow in my shallowness, to bathe in my mediocrity and vulgarity.
I am in your debt,
Edward
No worries Edward, you keep on being shallow, and Ill keep on pretending to be shallow ok?
I am in your debt,
Edward
No worries Edward, you keep on being shallow, and Ill keep on pretending to be shallow ok?
Juggledude
08-20-2007, 06:47 PM
Thou art god
Valley Oak
08-20-2007, 07:14 PM
Thou art god
Thou art god
Thou art god
Ve55eL
08-20-2007, 08:58 PM
When one tries to fit God into a thought, you are, at that moment, moving away from God. Trying to capture the essence of God in a collection of words and ideas, is like trying to carry water with a fishing net. For me personally, when I say God, I am reffering not to a personification (old man long beard, Buddha, Allah, Yaweh, Krishna, etc...), nor some cosmic consciousness, nor some bright light inside of me. For me, God is who I am before I am born. (Thats a clunky sentence, I know. Again, something as pervasive and big as the concept of God...words don't work.) I'm pretty sure that whether or not we believe in God, in the end, all things lead back to him/her/it/whatever. Simply not believing, does not disprove God. Just as believing is not enough to prove it. I hope I am not sounding too preachy cuz thats not my intention, really. :)
It makes me very happy too a discussion like this even going on. Most people ignore this question altogether. Perhaps it doesn't even really matter what we believe in. Maybe Roble is right. God doesn't exist. But I've found that the universe works in pairs though. light, dark : good, bad : on, off : 0,1 So if Roble's idea is indeed true, then the opposite is also true. Maybe I'm being too paradoxical...is that even a word? :O)
It makes me very happy too a discussion like this even going on. Most people ignore this question altogether. Perhaps it doesn't even really matter what we believe in. Maybe Roble is right. God doesn't exist. But I've found that the universe works in pairs though. light, dark : good, bad : on, off : 0,1 So if Roble's idea is indeed true, then the opposite is also true. Maybe I'm being too paradoxical...is that even a word? :O)
kristal
08-20-2007, 09:44 PM
Maybe the god you don't beleive in, doesn't exist.
Maybe you are looking with your Mind to find something only your Heart Can Experience Directly.
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
Maybe you are looking with your Mind to find something only your Heart Can Experience Directly.
I already answered your question. First, I told you that I don't believe in god. Then, I gave you the dictionary's definition of God to bring to light how the English language defines the word itself. But you continue to insist that I define something that doesn't exist. This doesn't make any sense.
As far as god having feelings, well, for me that's a moot point because something that doesn't exist can't have feelings. The only entity that has hurt feelings or feels offended is you. You are trying to speak for someone else (God) but are you a pope or something? Are you saying that you have some special connection with the Supreme Being that you can speak on his behalf and "know" what he/she/it feels and opines? Pretty arrogant. And quite frankly, even if god did exist, you cannot speak for him. Did he assign you as his spokesperson? I very seriously doubt it.
By the way, my name is Edward. What's yours? It's certainly not "The Phiant." Are you hiding something?
Edward
tomh
08-20-2007, 10:08 PM
Does God or Goddess exist? First, before answering, I'd need you to define your terms. This is an ages old question, one that I've entertained for my whole life....... but when the questioner does actually define God/Goddess for me, I'm left with no option but to say NO!
ps....
ps....
tomh
08-20-2007, 10:08 PM
Does God or Goddess exist? First, before answering, I'd need you to define your terms. This is an ages old question, one that I've entertained for my whole life....... but when the questioner does actually define God/Goddess for me, I'm left with no option but to say NO!
ps.... the "NO" is to you
ps.... the "NO" is to you
tomh
08-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Does God or Goddess exist? First, before answering, I'd need you to define your terms. This is an ages old question, one that I've entertained for my whole life....... but when the questioner does actually define God/Goddess for me, I'm left with no option but to say NO!
ps.... the "NO" is to you
...sorry to anyone who is following this...my computer keeps sending letters off incomplete.
So,
ps.... the "NO" is to you
...sorry to anyone who is following this...my computer keeps sending letters off incomplete.
So,
tomh
08-20-2007, 10:29 PM
Is there really such a thing as God, Gods, Goddess, or Goddesses exist?
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
Before my computer cuts me off again, I'd ask again, 'what is your definition of God/Goddess? Every definition I"ve heard in my life has compelled me to respond, NO, NO, NO.
Please vote yes or no or write in your own option.
Edward
Before my computer cuts me off again, I'd ask again, 'what is your definition of God/Goddess? Every definition I"ve heard in my life has compelled me to respond, NO, NO, NO.
Neshamah
08-21-2007, 08:20 AM
G-d must exist in order for anything to exist. So if being an atheist means denying G-d, it means denying existence altogether. However confused we might turn out to be about the nature of reality, thinking it doesn't exist requires thinking, which at the very least means thought exists.
So, if true atheism is impossible, why do people identify as atheists? What are they rejecting?
As far as we can tell, the universe is infinite and may very well have facets that we cannot perceive. Most beliefs in G-d give finite explanations for the infinite. No such explanation is strictly correct, and so any finite idea about G-d can have reasonable detractors. However, rejecting specific ideas about G-d is not the same as rejecting reality altogether.
Nor is there necessarily anything wrong with people believing in the existing ideas. 3.14 is not exactly equal to pi, but it is usually close enough.
~ Neshamah
So, if true atheism is impossible, why do people identify as atheists? What are they rejecting?
As far as we can tell, the universe is infinite and may very well have facets that we cannot perceive. Most beliefs in G-d give finite explanations for the infinite. No such explanation is strictly correct, and so any finite idea about G-d can have reasonable detractors. However, rejecting specific ideas about G-d is not the same as rejecting reality altogether.
Nor is there necessarily anything wrong with people believing in the existing ideas. 3.14 is not exactly equal to pi, but it is usually close enough.
~ Neshamah
Barry
08-21-2007, 09:16 AM
Here's my definition (at least in this moment!)
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
...I'd ask again, 'what is your definition of God/Goddess? Every definition I"ve heard in my life has compelled me to respond, NO, NO, NO.
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
...I'd ask again, 'what is your definition of God/Goddess? Every definition I"ve heard in my life has compelled me to respond, NO, NO, NO.
Valley Oak
08-21-2007, 10:42 AM
Dearest Barry,
You need to come and party with us up at Annwfn (www.annwfn.org (https://www.annwfn.org) ). You're "made" for it.
Don't you agree, "Juggledude?"
Edward
Here's my definition (at least in this moment!)
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
You need to come and party with us up at Annwfn (www.annwfn.org (https://www.annwfn.org) ). You're "made" for it.
Don't you agree, "Juggledude?"
Edward
Here's my definition (at least in this moment!)
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
Juggledude
08-21-2007, 11:16 AM
In many ways, I do, I've discussed Annwfn at length with the B man and I'm sure he'd very much enjoy the party aspect of that community.
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
Dearest Barry,
You need to come and party with us up at Annwfn (www.annwfn.org) (https://www.annwfn.org%29). You're "made" for it.
Don't you agree, "Juggledude?"
Edward
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
Dearest Barry,
You need to come and party with us up at Annwfn (www.annwfn.org) (https://www.annwfn.org%29). You're "made" for it.
Don't you agree, "Juggledude?"
Edward
ThePhiant
08-21-2007, 12:35 PM
jeez Barry,
you are responding to a thread that ThePhiant "instigated"??????
isn't that kind of blasphemy?????
Here's my definition (at least in this moment!)
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
you are responding to a thread that ThePhiant "instigated"??????
isn't that kind of blasphemy?????
Here's my definition (at least in this moment!)
The force that is behind it all, that everything is but a perfect embodiment and expression of.
And to me, there seems to be something... the mystery... It's not just random (which it is course, but in a chaos theory sort of way), there is something going on. And the moments when I can really sense that and know that I am part of that are the most magical and healing.
The Jewish creation story says that at first there was only g-d, and g-d got bored :wink: so he emanated countless godsparks and thus created the universe. And just to make it more interesting, the godsparks would not remember that they were all parts of g-d. It's not far from The Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy! And in the Talmud it says the answer is ... 42!
Yeah, "God/Goddess" exists. In fact, it is the only thing that exists!
ThePhiant
08-21-2007, 12:45 PM
just when we get to know each other a little better, you have to denounce me 3 times?
do you really think copying the dictionary and wikipedia is refreshing???
30 posts later you still have to wonder what he is "thinking" about God???
smells like BS to me
In many ways, I do, I've discussed Annwfn at length with the B man and I'm sure he'd very much enjoy the party aspect of that community.
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
do you really think copying the dictionary and wikipedia is refreshing???
30 posts later you still have to wonder what he is "thinking" about God???
smells like BS to me
In many ways, I do, I've discussed Annwfn at length with the B man and I'm sure he'd very much enjoy the party aspect of that community.
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
Juggledude
08-21-2007, 02:14 PM
just when we get to know each other a little better, you have to denounce me 3 times?
do you really think copying the dictionary and wikipedia is refreshing???
30 posts later you still have to wonder what he is "thinking" about God???
smells like BS to me
Oh, Lulu, the learning (getting to know) is growing slowly, both ways. I'm not denouncing you, I'm poking a little fun in a friendly way at first, and also calling it like I see it second. You seem to have a healthy ability to own your actions, as accusative and inflammatory as you are, hypocrisy seems not one of your larger failings. Were you not "jabbing" ?
The plagiarism is not what I was referring to when I spoke of refreshing, though it is a useful tool when used with intent and awareness, nay, I spoke of a repeated sense I had of Mr. Ed chiming in with his personal stand on most if not all his polls, usually pretty clearly, sometimes even aggressively. I have a pretty clear concept of his atheism, so I don't think he's BS'ing on his stance. He does not seem willing to engage you in a debate on the nature (or indeed, existance) of the divine, perhaps that's the foul smell you are referring to?
Royce
do you really think copying the dictionary and wikipedia is refreshing???
30 posts later you still have to wonder what he is "thinking" about God???
smells like BS to me
Oh, Lulu, the learning (getting to know) is growing slowly, both ways. I'm not denouncing you, I'm poking a little fun in a friendly way at first, and also calling it like I see it second. You seem to have a healthy ability to own your actions, as accusative and inflammatory as you are, hypocrisy seems not one of your larger failings. Were you not "jabbing" ?
The plagiarism is not what I was referring to when I spoke of refreshing, though it is a useful tool when used with intent and awareness, nay, I spoke of a repeated sense I had of Mr. Ed chiming in with his personal stand on most if not all his polls, usually pretty clearly, sometimes even aggressively. I have a pretty clear concept of his atheism, so I don't think he's BS'ing on his stance. He does not seem willing to engage you in a debate on the nature (or indeed, existance) of the divine, perhaps that's the foul smell you are referring to?
Royce
Barry
08-21-2007, 02:40 PM
You need to come and party with us up at Annwfn (www.annwfn.org (https://www.annwfn.org) ). You're "made" for it. Someday...
Valley Oak
08-21-2007, 04:25 PM
Yes, I would love to see the B man at Beltane (he would never forget the mind blowing experience, especially for such a tender and uninitiated individual) and also at Samhain, being that these are the two most important Pagan sabbats (eight total).
I have referred to myself as an atheist Pagan and have gotten laughed at. Of course, the contradiction is irreconcilable. But of all of the different types of communities that I have been involved with throughout my life, the Pagans are very close to my heart. There are so many good and interesting and fulfiling aspects of Pagan culture and thier community that my atheism is a mere quibble. How could I possibly be so foolhearty to reject such a rich, profound, group of folks who know how to enjoy life (and party like no one else dares)?
So I said: "Yes!" and opened my arms as widely as possible to embrace the Pagan community with great enthusiasm and excitement and love, which they returned (I won't go into details here).
The Pagan community also jived very well with the other aspects of my persona, such as being an anarchist and social revolutionary. Almost all of my political opinions found an echo in most Pagans. Almost all of my personal and lifestyle characteristics also found an echo in most Pagans. They are a very accepting group not only because of their belief system but also because many Pagans are very special, non-mainstream people themselves.
There is a great deal more to all of this because the big picture also allured me. The Burning Times and how christianutty mass murdered 10 million Pagans, most of them women, what some historians call "The Woman's Haulocast." christianutty is a mere parenthesis in history and it will subside with time unless the fundamentalist resort to mass murder and repression again. The will try to pass laws making certain aspects of the Pagan lifestyle illegal, essentially based on the wholly inadequate argument that it is not christian.
Another one of the many good reasons why my family and I integrated ourselves into the Pagan community is because it is an earth based, female oriented religion. Pagan religion revolves around the Earth and therefore has a powerful respect for the environment, which the christian/capitalist/male society is destroying at an alarming rate in every way. Politically, the Green Party espouses in most ways what Paganism espouses religiously. The group, "Reclaiming," is a politically active Pagan organization and it makes sense to organize and fight to defend the planet, especially against all of the christian crap that the world is ours to destroy and do whatever it feels like with it like profit and pollute, bla, bla, bla.
Also, my wife and daughter are both females and I love them very much. I have always been a feminist as far back as I can remember being politically conscious (adolescent years). Women's equality is a basic right that is still denied women in the U.S. to a great extent and in many ways that I won't go into in detail here but to give a couple of example: a right to have an abortion, amount of property and income owned and earned in comparison to US males, representation in public office (e.g. only 16 female US senators in the powerful political body of 100 members--only 16%), etc, etc, etc! I want my daughter to grow up knowing that she has every right and every opportunity as any man and that there are female oriented groups, such as the Pagans, that support her as a matter of principle. If you read the Holy Balogne carefully you will see that women are in a pretty desperate situation in that book and religion.
I could go on for volumes, literally, why an atheist and an anarchist (and a few other adjectives) such as myself would get himself and his family so deeply involved with Paganism. But this is at least a primer as to why and to lift off a little of the confusing mystery of my self.
BB,
Edward
In many ways, I do, I've discussed Annwfn at length with the B man and I'm sure he'd very much enjoy the party aspect of that community.
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
I have referred to myself as an atheist Pagan and have gotten laughed at. Of course, the contradiction is irreconcilable. But of all of the different types of communities that I have been involved with throughout my life, the Pagans are very close to my heart. There are so many good and interesting and fulfiling aspects of Pagan culture and thier community that my atheism is a mere quibble. How could I possibly be so foolhearty to reject such a rich, profound, group of folks who know how to enjoy life (and party like no one else dares)?
So I said: "Yes!" and opened my arms as widely as possible to embrace the Pagan community with great enthusiasm and excitement and love, which they returned (I won't go into details here).
The Pagan community also jived very well with the other aspects of my persona, such as being an anarchist and social revolutionary. Almost all of my political opinions found an echo in most Pagans. Almost all of my personal and lifestyle characteristics also found an echo in most Pagans. They are a very accepting group not only because of their belief system but also because many Pagans are very special, non-mainstream people themselves.
There is a great deal more to all of this because the big picture also allured me. The Burning Times and how christianutty mass murdered 10 million Pagans, most of them women, what some historians call "The Woman's Haulocast." christianutty is a mere parenthesis in history and it will subside with time unless the fundamentalist resort to mass murder and repression again. The will try to pass laws making certain aspects of the Pagan lifestyle illegal, essentially based on the wholly inadequate argument that it is not christian.
Another one of the many good reasons why my family and I integrated ourselves into the Pagan community is because it is an earth based, female oriented religion. Pagan religion revolves around the Earth and therefore has a powerful respect for the environment, which the christian/capitalist/male society is destroying at an alarming rate in every way. Politically, the Green Party espouses in most ways what Paganism espouses religiously. The group, "Reclaiming," is a politically active Pagan organization and it makes sense to organize and fight to defend the planet, especially against all of the christian crap that the world is ours to destroy and do whatever it feels like with it like profit and pollute, bla, bla, bla.
Also, my wife and daughter are both females and I love them very much. I have always been a feminist as far back as I can remember being politically conscious (adolescent years). Women's equality is a basic right that is still denied women in the U.S. to a great extent and in many ways that I won't go into in detail here but to give a couple of example: a right to have an abortion, amount of property and income owned and earned in comparison to US males, representation in public office (e.g. only 16 female US senators in the powerful political body of 100 members--only 16%), etc, etc, etc! I want my daughter to grow up knowing that she has every right and every opportunity as any man and that there are female oriented groups, such as the Pagans, that support her as a matter of principle. If you read the Holy Balogne carefully you will see that women are in a pretty desperate situation in that book and religion.
I could go on for volumes, literally, why an atheist and an anarchist (and a few other adjectives) such as myself would get himself and his family so deeply involved with Paganism. But this is at least a primer as to why and to lift off a little of the confusing mystery of my self.
BB,
Edward
In many ways, I do, I've discussed Annwfn at length with the B man and I'm sure he'd very much enjoy the party aspect of that community.
Curious though, to read your expressed views re: atheism, having met you at a polytheistic gathering. Not to support Lulu or anything (heaven forbid!) but I wonder what you DO believe, spiritually, having a pretty clear concept of what you don't.
On the subject of Lulu, I gotta disagree with one of her jabs, you seem to clearly and refreshingly express your opinions, rather than prevaricate or hide behind rote definitions, though I see the ammo you had given her for this particular invective on this subject of godism. (that's god-ism, not god-jism, which would be a completely different subject)
Royce
ThePhiant
08-21-2007, 05:54 PM
I guess you didn't have a Catholic upbringing,
3 times, before the cock crows, yes that was tongue in cheek
but the odor remains pervasive when it comes to his non-description of what he denounces, and has now become "that which can not be explained"
your observation as to what is "existence" is astute, dude
Oh, Lulu, the learning (getting to know) is growing slowly, both ways. I'm not denouncing you, I'm poking a little fun in a friendly way at first, and also calling it like I see it second. You seem to have a healthy ability to own your actions, as accusative and inflammatory as you are, hypocrisy seems not one of your larger failings. Were you not "jabbing" ?
The plagiarism is not what I was referring to when I spoke of refreshing, though it is a useful tool when used with intent and awareness, nay, I spoke of a repeated sense I had of Mr. Ed chiming in with his personal stand on most if not all his polls, usually pretty clearly, sometimes even aggressively. I have a pretty clear concept of his atheism, so I don't think he's BS'ing on his stance. He does not seem willing to engage you in a debate on the nature (or indeed, existance) of the divine, perhaps that's the foul smell you are referring to?
Royce
3 times, before the cock crows, yes that was tongue in cheek
but the odor remains pervasive when it comes to his non-description of what he denounces, and has now become "that which can not be explained"
your observation as to what is "existence" is astute, dude
Oh, Lulu, the learning (getting to know) is growing slowly, both ways. I'm not denouncing you, I'm poking a little fun in a friendly way at first, and also calling it like I see it second. You seem to have a healthy ability to own your actions, as accusative and inflammatory as you are, hypocrisy seems not one of your larger failings. Were you not "jabbing" ?
The plagiarism is not what I was referring to when I spoke of refreshing, though it is a useful tool when used with intent and awareness, nay, I spoke of a repeated sense I had of Mr. Ed chiming in with his personal stand on most if not all his polls, usually pretty clearly, sometimes even aggressively. I have a pretty clear concept of his atheism, so I don't think he's BS'ing on his stance. He does not seem willing to engage you in a debate on the nature (or indeed, existance) of the divine, perhaps that's the foul smell you are referring to?
Royce
scorpiomoon
10-27-2007, 11:58 AM
Maybe a god/ goddess exists in Quantum Theory. The discovery of the universal truths of the universe, the de-coding of DNA. The "idea" of god is obviously imprinted on something inside us all. It's great to be able to discuss this without being burned to the stake, beheaded, or put on the rack or in the tower!!! :2cents: