A truly challenging question to me?

[mykil]

As I was house sitting at my lovely sisters house awhile back, I was wondering around the property and must have stepped on a little anthill on the ground. Thus bringing all the little critters up from the depths of there safe little home and out in the open with all those little white eggs on there little backs running around like who knows what? Anyway I did not realize I had stepped on the little nest as I was on may way to check out the guest houses in the back and look at the magnificent views over St Helena and beyond. On the way back I noticed all the little critters running about all frantic as all hell.
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This is where I think my life came to a dramatic change. AS I was watching the little dudes and dudettes running about I decided to stomp on them all. After I stepped on the little hill about three times with all my force, I stopped and stepped back a little and just started wondering why I would do such a thing. I know the little red suckers bite like hell and as a child I generally just loved fucking up there little world whenever possible. But I am not a child anymore and this is still the way I feel, wow! At any rate my poor little mind did not stop there. Thus bringing on the new and improved version of my life as I know it.
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The question that remains on my mind that I can and will get a handle on eventually is this. Where did the Karma come from? Now this is a strong question to me. How can those poor little ants have this Karma? Why was it that I as a person was able to enforce this Karma on their little world, who was in charge of this Karma? What will be my Karma from devastating their little world? Why was I brought up to only believe that Karma was a human trait and the rest on the world had nothing to do with this cosmic energy?
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Now I don’t think I need any counseling or congratulations on the changing of the guards in my mind, this is not what I am posting for. I am more interested in the minds at work in our community. I really want to hear some deep thoughts on Karma in general and not the stuff you find in the books around town. Granted there are a lot of great books on the subject I can refer to. I am more interested in what our community thinks. What are your thoughts on this matter? What do you feel about Karma and how it affects our lives? What where you raised to believe? And for Lulu, how long will I rot in hell for stomping on the little suckers?

[nurturetruth]

"The results or "fruits" of actions are called karma-phala. Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward; karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to other beings.
The esoteric Christian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Christianity) tradition, Essenian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes) and later Rosicrucian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian) schools teach it as the "Law of Cause and Consequence/Effect "


*** MEKILL ****

My sweetie, when YOU finally do decide to get a house, watch out for BIG GREEN giants !

Being that a home/house also could represent the " Inner Self House" ....you may indeed experience some form of karma--as it does tend to come around one way or the other. What one sends out..one attracts.

So perhaps your "inner home" or sense of well being may be disrupted or something may or may not happen that may feel chaotic...as a result of your choice of actions.

On a Conscious Aware level, you specifically CHOSE to disrupt and add chaos to this ant-hill. It was not an unconscious act... so this will affect the karmic outcome. But perhaps you did them a favor !

Perhaps their house needed to be re-built . You could have been their angel in inspiring the little ones to "build a better home". An Army of Ants can rebuild a home very quickly!

Which brings me back to karma... I am starting to feel more like a murderer due to my conscious choice and relationships regarding Antz...

I am starting to wonder if I should remove the ant poisoning I have put around my own sanctuary in order for me to have a sense of well being. Ant poison can't be good for feng shui!!

At one point, I saw my actions as "healthy loving boundaries" as my sanctuary seemed to be taken over by these small creatures... (should i sacrifice my own needs for theirs?)

nevertheless, at least the poisoning method does not cause as much Chaos as disturbing a nest....and perhaps there souls will even be re-born!

I also accept that from chaos, comes the beauty of order...

for some ..allowing ourselves to LOVE the drama that comes with chaos can be addictive. For others, they observe , learn from chaos fairly quickly as to not get "hung up"...and FLOW into the acceptance of Divine Order.

Judy jewel says: "I think karma is like going down on a road in a car..with walls on either side. if you hit a wall..it means get back on your path via awareness and then one is back on the path of Grace."

:yinyang:

[Tars]

What do you feel about Karma and how it affects our lives?
Given the makeup of the local community you'll probably get a bunch of answers here involving inscrutable Sanscrit words, to explain all about Karma. The Christians might quote from Galatians: "Whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap".

You asked what we "feel" about it, so... I feel awed by karma. I see it in immediate action in my life every day.

I tend to view it in an American variant, given by Edgar Cayce, "like begets like". We are what we eat, think, feel, do. We experience the results of this process across all of our lives and experiences. Sometimes we see immediate results of our thoughts and actions, sometimes they have effect in following incarnations.

Eternal action & response is all too huge for me to comprehend. Like we "think globally, act locally", it probably makes things easier if we "think eternally, act in the now". If we focus on trying to do the right thing daily, then our eternal selves will take care of the longer-term results. A Zen perspective?

Of course, everyone has somewhat different ideas of what the "right thing" is. Each of us has to decide what it is for ourselves. I've found that in my life at least, the "right thing" involves manifesting some form of love to everyone and everything, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

We are here to learn patience.

Tars
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[AquaGyrl]

Geeze, Nurturetruth - I applaud you for getting right to "the truth" (albeit through the "wiki") about the "myth" of karma. Most people quote us some 'nambsy-pambsy' 'new-agey' 'pop-psychology' 'western basterdization' b.s. about karma. But not you! Upon first reading this post I wanted to say (and am saying it now) that if a person truly wants to understand karma they need to forget about all of the above and focus on true and scholarly texts regarding the origin of the notion of karma. For those of you who don't get it - forget about the abundance of 'bookstore philosophers' and seek out credible people who are dedicated to unbiased discovery of the truth. When I studied Buddhism the concept of karma came up and my sources of credible information and thought were scholars at Stanford University and Cal. Berekeley, to name a few.

My take? You taught (perhaps yourself?) the lesson of chaos. It's chaos - which is predictable (according to Bernado Huberman) - and chaos is the law of universe and existence.


"The results or "fruits" of actions are called karma-phala. Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward; karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to other beings.
The esoteric Christian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_Christianity) tradition, Essenian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes) and later Rosicrucian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian) schools teach it as the "Law of Cause and Consequence/Effect "


*** MEKILL ****

My sweetie, when YOU finally do decide to get a house, watch out for BIG GREEN giants !

...

:yinyang:

[ThePhiant]

because you are such a sweeeeeetie, ants will come looking for you for a long time


your LuLu



? And for Lulu, how long will I rot in hell for stomping on the little suckers?

[ThePhiant]

I am starting to wonder if I should remove the ant poisoning I have put around my own sanctuary in order for me to have a sense of well being. Ant poison can't be good for feng shui!!

let's not forget that any other animal or insect, does not allow for a home invasion by another species either. (ever stepped on a wasps nest?)
poison is the lazy or coward way to defend your space
MightKill on the other hand was invading their space, karma is on the way
I hear he is homeless right now. instant karma?

[kevinelf]

Some thoughts...

I think that perhaps your reaction now as an adult - wondering if it is bad to stomp ants is hopefully a reflection of world consciousness expanding and becoming more aware of how their seemingly small actions play out on a larger scale.

Thoughts on Bugs:
We are kind of control freaks when it comes to bugs in general though - and considering that if bugs were the size of humans the human race would have been eaten by them long ago. ( I am not sure if they would have asked themselves if it was the right thing to do karmically - I think they would have acted on instinct. )

I used to be a bug killer , but I have since then adopted a bit of wisdom I picked up a long time ago from the tv series "Kung fu" - I think it was master Po who said " All life is precious , and none can be replaced" - who knows where it originally came from - but it is how I live my life today.

Peace
Kevinelf

[Braggi]

Ants usually come indoors for one of three reasons:

1.) They smell food.

2.) They search out moisture. (When it's dry outside.)

3.) They search out dry places. (When it's wet outside.)

Less frequently the big black carpenter ants show up to clear out some rotting wood so they can make their nest in your house. If you have that issue, you have a moisture problem, possibly a termite problem, and you should get professional help fast. They don't eat healthy wood like termites. They only excavate already rotten wood so the thing to do is find out why you have rotten wood and solve the problem (usually a roof leak).

Keeping all foodstuffs in tightly sealed containers, cleaning up all spills, doing your dishes regularly and wiping down counters usually keeps the food issue under control.

Fixing plumbing leaks, especially around hose bibs, keeps the moisture situation under control. Many homes have leaks around the kitchen sink, so ants in the kitchen can often be moved along by fixing them. Call a good handyman (like me) or a plumber.

When it's raining a lot, ants sometimes invade homes, but they usually leave within a few days of the rain stopping so there's nothing to do but wait.

So watch the ants, learn what they are trying to teach us and make the necessary remedies. Or just wait them out. They always leave eventually.

No need to poison them. They are little teachers.

-Jeff

[nurturetruth]

Yes, antz are indeed our little teachers...I concur.

and for some odd reason, I have my karma with antz more so than any other 'bug' or insect!

Every healing spiritual sanctuary I have lived in...seems full of them! and I know that because of this, these antz symbolize something bigger. Perhaps team-work or a reflection of a community working together?

However, I stayed at one place where the consensus was not to poison them; the antis multiplied and pretty much took over until the meditation floor was literally crawling all over!

And some mornings, I would find myself waking up to these little creatures crawling on my face or arm!

I ended up moving to another location because I got tired of sleeping with the sheets pulled over my head;
and I could not STOP them from getting in the bed with me....those little minds of theirs!
And of course, wearing long johns and long sleeve shirt in order to keep the little beings off me...was also not an option in the summer.

So THIS time , I just blessed the poison and perceived and transformed it into "re-incarnation juice"...and convinced myself that I was helping them on their divine path while helping myself as well.

Just for those who are curious...I have NOW removed my ant poison after seriously considering this thing called , "Karma".

Jeff...will you come over and inspect my house and offer your assets of being a handy man?

:wink:

P.s.. I was out at Ragle Park once, having a real tranquil transcendance experience and all of a sudden felt the sensation that small beings were crawling over my Buddha Eyes tattoo on my low back! Come to find out...they were everywhere...even down my pants! I had been sitting on an ant bed! I panicked and did this wild dance...taking off my pants and long johns...not caring who was around! They were everywhere!

I feel so blessed that these creatures love me sooo...
and I am fascinated by them

but STOP CRAWLING on me !!

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Ants usually come indoors for one of three reasons:

1.) They smell food.

2.) They search out moisture. (When it's dry outside.)

3.) They search out dry places. (When it's wet outside.)

Less frequently the big black carpenter ants show up to clear out some rotting wood so they can make their nest in your house. If you have that issue, you have a moisture problem, possibly a termite problem, and you should get professional help fast. They don't eat healthy wood like termites. They only excavate already rotten wood so the thing to do is find out why you have rotten wood and solve the problem (usually a roof leak).

Keeping all foodstuffs in tightly sealed containers, cleaning up all spills, doing your dishes regularly and wiping down counters usually keeps the food issue under control.

Fixing plumbing leaks, especially around hose bibs, keeps the moisture situation under control. Many homes have leaks around the kitchen sink, so ants in the kitchen can often be moved along by fixing them. Call a good handyman (like me) or a plumber.

When it's raining a lot, ants sometimes invade homes, but they usually leave within a few days of the rain stopping so there's nothing to do but wait.

So watch the ants, learn what they are trying to teach us and make the necessary remedies. Or just wait them out. They always leave eventually.

No need to poison them. They are little teachers.

-Jeff

[mykil]

:hmmm: Well Hell; Since the kitties and the antz seem to be evolving hand in hand, can someone please explain the difference between killing antz and killing kitties? Thus moving on. I mean antz seem to be gods little creatures as much as cute little pussies I suppose, yes? What is the difference? Where does this Karma lead? Am I just as bad as those little girlz for stomping that little anthill? Do I need Therapy for stomping on those poor little [now homeless and half dead] antz? I am a firm believer in Karma and don’t think there really should be laws regarding such things in life, more along the idea of guide lines from what and what not to do! Is the articles in the press democrat the really Karma for those two? OR will it really go deep into the depths of the mind and bite them in the asss when they least expect it? Thus encouraging the theory, we are all One, and Karma is we, we are god, god is love, love is all of us together! Including the little antz and the little pussies! Is killing rattle snakes taboo now or do we still do this? LMAO!!!

[Tars]

Is killing rattle snakes taboo now or do we still do this? LMAO!!!
Hmmm...the Hindus might think you'd then return as a rattler...maybe fated to cross back & forth on a busy road...then there'd be some other snakes LTAO.

Heh heh hiss hiss hissssssss

[Braggi]

... we are all One, and Karma is we, we are god, god is love, love is all of us together! Including the little antz and the little pussies! Is killing rattle snakes taboo now or do we still do this? LMAO!!!

What I know for sure: I will live out this life until I'm dead.

Don't know about any other lives and neither does anyone else. Karma? You get it in this life or you're not likely to get your just rewards. You think W. is going to get what most of us think he should? Not in this life. Probably not in any other life. You think he believes in Heaven or Hell? Or in returning in any other life form? Not. But I digress.

I think most of us are rewarded or suffer as a result of our decisions pretty much in the moment, and then there are those long term repercussions too. Smoking tobacco has both, for instance. The most immediate reward or punishment is what we feel: our conscience. Some folks have very little in that department. We call them sociopaths. Or politicians. (Just kidding.)

I wish Karma worked. Sadly, most of those who should be earning major Karma will not have to deal with the fallout of their actions. Other people will, though. <sigh>

I think we should all be careful of other life forms, kill as few as we reasonably can, and do what we can to serve up love and pleasure to ourselves and others. And that includes little pussies. I'm less concerned about ants.

Hoping everyone's Karma brings love and pleasure,

-Jeff</sigh>

[Braggi]

Jeff...will you come over and inspect my house and offer your assets of being a handy man?

:wink:

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<blushing>(blushing) Oh, my. Handyman to the Goddess!

I would be honored.

-Jeff</blushing>

[Tars]

Don't know about any other lives and neither does anyone else. Karma? You get it in this life or you're not likely to get your just rewards.

Frustrating, isn't it Jeff? You're very close to the mark, just outside the bullseye, in my humble opinion.


Of course no one knows whether Karma (or whatever similar term works for you) actually works or not.


That's not really important, is it? But, if one assumes, just for the sake of having a philosophy for living, that Karma just might be an actual universal effect, like gravity, or black matter, then one can feel good about themselves if they choose to live life positively.

Too many people get hung up on the precise definitions of, or validity of sources for philisophical opinions. "God won't be reduced to an ideology", neither will "Karma". If one just lives as if Karma does exist, and then if it does exist, well YIPPEE! They'll receive perfectly just reward. If it doesn't exist, at the very least the person will take warm satisfaction and accomplishment knowing they've lived life well.

Simple, isn't it?

[nurturetruth]

I think it has something to do with the power of believing in the word 'belief'.

Some do not feel comfortable believing in anything.
Therefore, the power of a belief system would not apply.

I enjoy observing. As if I am a video camera observing energy.

I cannot deny energy. It is real. not a belief.

I enjoy playing, dancing and working with energy and The Universal Flow.

I have noticed/observed in the Divine process of MY life.. what is what I often refer to as "laws of attraction" or.."the flow"

Course, we can just explain just about anything if we bring past lives into the equation..
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"The Law of Attraction simply says that you attract into your life whatever you think about. (so be cautious what ones thoughts are..while stepping on the anthill or hurting another sentient being.)

Subjective reality (https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/05/subjective-reality-qa-3/) is a belief system in which:
(1) there is only one consciousness
(2) you are that singular consciousness
(3) everything and everyone in your reality is a projection of your thoughts.
You may not see it yet, but subjective reality neatly answers all these tricky Law of Attraction questions. Let me ’splain….


In subjective reality there’s only one consciousness, and it’s yours. Consequently, there’s only one source of intentions in your universe — YOU. While you may observe lots of walking, talking bodies in your reality, they all exist inside your consciousness.
Since none of the other characters you encounter are conscious in a way that’s separate from you, nobody else can have intentions. The only intentions are yours. You’re the only thinker in this universe." (see link below; )

YOU are the only creator of your reality!

p.s..i am not quite sure i support all of what was quoted by the link below..but found it interesting for discussion regarding karma.

https://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/08/the-law-of-attraction/

TARS..you got a blog page up and running about this subject matter?
(would love a link to your blog...thanks!)






Frustrating, isn't it Jeff? You're very close to the mark, just outside the bullseye, in my humble opinion.


Of course no one knows whether Karma (or whatever similar term works for you) actually works or not.


That's not really important, is it? But, if one assumes, just for the sake of having a philosophy for living, that Karma just might be an actual universal effect, like gravity, or black matter, then one can feel good about themselves if they choose to live life positively.

Too many people get hung up on the precise definitions of, or validity of sources for philisophical opinions. "God won't be reduced to an ideology", neither will "Karma". If one just lives as if Karma does exist, and then if it does exist, well YIPPEE! They'll receive perfectly just reward. If it doesn't exist, at the very least the person will take warm satisfaction and accomplishment knowing they've lived life well.

Simple, isn't it?

[neil dunaetz]

This sounds like a lonely hell:

"In subjective reality there’s only one consciousness, and it’s yours. Consequently, there’s only one source of intentions in your universe — YOU. While you may observe lots of walking, talking bodies in your reality, they all exist inside your consciousness.
Since none of the other characters you encounter are conscious in a way that’s separate from you, nobody else can have intentions. The only intentions are yours. You’re the only thinker in this universe."

[Sara S]

When I asked my first Lama (teacher) if there was such a thing as instant karma, he said "Of course; the minute you do something wrong, it changes you,"

[nurturetruth]

LMAO !

:rofl2:

Thanks, Neil, for the chuckle!!!! ..even though I was the one who allowed myself to have that reaction. thank you for the stimulation.

Ok..getting back to Mykil's challening question...

KARMA: I am FAR from having the answers to anything or everything..all i do know is my sense of truth .

I seem to resonate with the vibe that KARMA is "intention" and the acts that flow out of intention.

or rather, Intention is "Karma". In Sanskit, "Karma" means, "Action"

All of us perhaps have a sense of "will" and through this "will", karma may be created through our body, speech and mind. I feel, The Intention is what creates the potency behind the action.

....and if there is no intent to cause harm...., then no negative karmic seeds can be planted.
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"If one tries to figure out the workings of karma intellectually though, your head will explode. The thinking mind does not have enough dimensions to encompass the reality of it." ~ Buddha

"The enlightened being is free from karma, but there's more to it than that. The deep answer is not to be found doctrinally (wiki,etc. !!), but rather by intuition on the cushion" - Norman Fischer

* I have removed my ant poison since this topic started (thank you all!),

Will you, Mykil aka "mekill"... be willing to give up stomping on ant beds in order to "get into our intuitions on a cushion?!!"

:wink: :heart:

:meditate:




"









This sounds like a lonely hell:

"In subjective reality there’s only one consciousness, and it’s yours. Consequently, there’s only one source of intentions in your universe — YOU. While you may observe lots of walking, talking bodies in your reality, they all exist inside your consciousness.
Since none of the other characters you encounter are conscious in a way that’s separate from you, nobody else can have intentions. The only intentions are yours. You’re the only thinker in this universe."

[ThePhiant]

Karma? I thought it was E=MC2?
every action has a reaction




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[mykil]

hmmmm; to tell you the truth that has to be the best answer thus far Lulu in my eyes anyway! But what on earth are the reactions in the case of the long gone antz? Will I become a drunk in my old age and when I start to get the DT'S feel their little spirits crawling all over my skin and in anguish just off a bridge to my death? Thus the antz being vindicated, and them finally being able to rest in peace? Or will bygones be bygones and this is what nature intended, that they leave the solitude of their little shelter and venture off to a new and improved living situation with fewer mouths to feed, greener pastures and what have you? Now if the latter is true than all the war in the world might be a good thing yes? IS the way to stop all the war and suffering in the world start with the ending of ant bashings around the globe? The ending of swatting fly’s so that everyone can see and feel the serenity of the whole?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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When you bring Karma to life is it in itself becoming an entity, or some sort of residual leftover energy that will stay around for sometime. Feeling remembering and really just being what you might call a ghost? Where does it end? Does this in anticipation actually have the capabilities of becoming a poltergeist? How would it feed? Everything need to feed on something, I don’t believe anything can survive without some sort of energy? Hmmm enough for know. Gives you more of a clue where I am trying to go with this yes?<o:p></o:p>
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[ThePhiant]

mightkill
how do you sleep at night?


hmmmm; to tell you the truth that has to be the best answer thus far Lulu in my eyes anyway! But what on earth are the reactions in the case of the long gone antz? Will I become a drunk in my old age and when I start to get the DT'S feel their little spirits crawling all over my skin and in anguish just off a bridge to my death? Thus the antz being vindicated, and them finally being able to rest in peace? Or will bygones be bygones and this is what nature intended, that they leave the solitude of their little shelter and venture off to a new and improved living situation with fewer mouths to feed, greener pastures and what have you? Now if the latter is true than all the war in the world might be a good thing yes? IS the way to stop all the war and suffering in the world start with the ending of ant bashings around the globe? The ending of swatting fly’s so that everyone can see and feel the serenity of the whole?<o:p></o:p>
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When you bring Karma to life is it in itself becoming an entity, or some sort of residual leftover energy that will stay around for sometime. Feeling remembering and really just being what you might call a ghost? Where does it end? Does this in anticipation actually have the capabilities of becoming a poltergeist? How would it feed? Everything need to feed on something, I don’t believe anything can survive without some sort of energy? Hmmm enough for know. Gives you more of a clue where I am trying to go with this yes?<o:p></o:p>
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[nurturetruth]

i feel there is a different vibrational level between a reaction and a response.

to me, a response feels more flowing.."in the flow"...a reaction feels as if it comes from a vibration of chaos....or due to lack of awareness .

From my experiences in life, I feel that it the sense of awareness, intent and the ability to feel the feelings of caring about myself AND what is in the best interest of all (animals,humans,bugs,etc) which provides for a clear conscious and a more flowing flow...in this lifetime or next...

I also realize that what i put out..comes back in some form or another.

Just keeps me more in "check" or alignment with my desire to be more aware of my choices/ actions / intent!

I feel eager and grateful to hear others express their feelings, understandings of Karma.

Its enlightening...



Karma? I thought it was E=MC2?
every action has a reaction

[Lorrie]

Mykil: You seem to be getting a little psyco-logical :veryfunny:



:hmmm: Well Hell; Since the kitties and the antz seem to be evolving hand in hand, can someone please explain the difference between killing antz and killing kitties? Thus moving on. I mean antz seem to be gods little creatures as much as cute little pussies I suppose, yes? What is the difference? Where does this Karma lead? Am I just as bad as those little girlz for stomping that little anthill? Do I need Therapy for stomping on those poor little [now homeless and half dead] antz? I am a firm believer in Karma and don’t think there really should be laws regarding such things in life, more along the idea of guide lines from what and what not to do! Is the articles in the press democrat the really Karma for those two? OR will it really go deep into the depths of the mind and bite them in the asss when they least expect it? Thus encouraging the theory, we are all One, and Karma is we, we are god, god is love, love is all of us together! Including the little antz and the little pussies! Is killing rattle snakes taboo now or do we still do this? LMAO!!!

[nurturetruth]

Thank you Lorrie! You are also a stimulant for a laugh... LMAO !!

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yes, i do believe it is my dear friend mykil whom is always vocalizing the phrase to me, " I think you think too much.." (if anything i "feel' i feel too much before I 'think' !! :wink: )

touche'



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Mykil: You seem to be getting a little psyco-logical :veryfunny:

[mykil]

Now now boyz and girlz; I really believe sometimes that low volume thought patterns may be the key to my success!!! I know what success? LMAO!!! I get around to evaluation periods throughout my lifetime and really sometimes think about things for years, like love. But the thought pattern remains the same, I have been putting real thought to this for a few years now and can’t seem to get it out of my head. Since I really don’t like to read other peoples philosophy on the matter [I think this contaminates my brain with unwanted thoughts {cause I like to use my own brain}].
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If Karma really does stop at just a simple thought pattern of being good, than it seems to be just a useless as the holy bible to me, you read it, you study the fundamentals of the lifestyle and move forward, yes? Alwayz keeping in mind that you are suppose to be a good little boy or girl. Not a bad idea, but by the time you start to grow up you might just realize that it really is there for good intention, just so people don’t go around killing one another and stealing, robbing, drinking and really giving one a conscience to speak. ? Now if there really is a residue of some sorts after you kill the little critters than…
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This is where it loses me and is a bit unusual that so many believe it some sort of cosmic energy. But are unwilling to believe it could really be an entity of it’s own, the thought goes way beyond the normal focus of us all. If no one can explain it does it really exist? You get one hell of allot of what it does and the definition of the whole aspect of Karma in general, this goes without saying. But what is it, how does it work with Time, lifetime to lifetime? Is Time alive and can we manipulate it like we do so many other things in life? Can we ever get a handle on Karma and make it, bottle it, sell it at the store? Refine it to only be good? Ask Time to take a nap? So when he awakes their will only be good Karma all around us and he will be Happy, you now happy People or happy Time get younger everyday!
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Now is Karma one that we as a whole share, or do you might think it is a different entity for each, you know like everyone has there own guardian angle [I alwayz wanted a bumper sticker that read “my guardian angle can beat up your guardian angle”]? When I think of time I see black, which is the aura color I see, I see him as a person lying with his head turning toward me groaning, laying in the stars trying to sleep. When I think of karma I see all colors, or more of a picture, the picture is more of green grass and trees and water, earthy to be exact. Why is this the way of Time and Karma? Do they know each other and do they get along? Stupid maybe, but just some thoughts!!!

[Lorrie]

Maybe you should just do something super duper nice for some one, and that will turn things around...before its too late?

hmmmm; to tell you the truth that has to be the best answer thus far Lulu in my eyes anyway! But what on earth are the reactions in the case of the long gone antz? Will I become a drunk in my old age and when I start to get the DT'S feel their little spirits crawling all over my skin and in anguish just off a bridge to my death? Thus the antz being vindicated, and them finally being able to rest in peace? Or will bygones be bygones and this is what nature intended, that they leave the solitude of their little shelter and venture off to a new and improved living situation with fewer mouths to feed, greener pastures and what have you? Now if the latter is true than all the war in the world might be a good thing yes? IS the way to stop all the war and suffering in the world start with the ending of ant bashings around the globe? The ending of swatting fly’s so that everyone can see and feel the serenity of the whole?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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When you bring Karma to life is it in itself becoming an entity, or some sort of residual leftover energy that will stay around for sometime. Feeling remembering and really just being what you might call a ghost? Where does it end? Does this in anticipation actually have the capabilities of becoming a poltergeist? How would it feed? Everything need to feed on something, I don’t believe anything can survive without some sort of energy? Hmmm enough for know. Gives you more of a clue where I am trying to go with this yes?<o:p></o:p>
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[nurturetruth]

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MYKIL:

You have not yet addressed my question as to whether or not you might be willing to get into our intuitions on a cushion.... ??????????

[mykil]

I Mykill of sain and sound mind, would be willing to do anything in this lifetime, travel any depths of time and space, just to be on a cushion with you my dear!!!!!




MYKIL:

You have not yet addressed my question as to whether or not you might be willing to get into our intuitions on a cushion.... ??????????

[Braggi]

If one just lives as if Karma does exist, and then if it does exist, well YIPPEE! They'll receive perfectly just reward. If it doesn't exist, at the very least the person will take warm satisfaction and accomplishment knowing they've lived life well.

Simple, isn't it?


Well said, Tars.

-Jeff

[nurturetruth]

:thumbsup:

yes. very well said..


Well said, Tars.

-Jeff

[Sara S]

:meditate:

When I asked my first Lama (teacher) if there was such a thing as instant karma, he said "Of course. The minute you do something wrong, it changes you."

[Lorrie]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=404 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=BlueLineBG>Karma Cleansing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=articlesubtitle>5 ways to clean up your karma </TD></TR><TR><TD class=text> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=text><TABLE width="100%"><TBODY><TR style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><TD align=left>by S.K. Smith
Published: 07/17/2007</TD><TD align=right><TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2><TBODY><TR><TD class=subNav noWrap> (javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$cphCenter$ctl00$SendaFriendLink1$lnkSend2Friend',''))</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=text> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=text vAlign=top> Have you ever had an experience, even a relationship, that affected you so deeply you cried for weeks, months or even years? A connection that felt so intense it is beyond comprehension or explanation? A situation that continued to present itself over and over again - whether it was with the same person each time or not? These are just a few examples of karma at work.

Called by different names in different traditions, karma can be loosely summed up as the universe's way of teaching you the lessons you need to learn - over and over again until you actually learn them. In some traditions, this can take multiple lifetimes. In others, the lessons may or may not ever be learned. It can simpy be a case of your individual ability and willingness (or not!) to evolve.

No matter how you view karma, there's no doubt it affects your life. In fact, some argue that everything (good and bad) is karmic. Commenting on this very subject, one religious writer summed it up: "In life, there are no rewards, there are no punishments, there are only consequences." So how do you control those consequences?

Clean up
Opinions may vary when it comes to actual karma cleansing. Some spiritualists and psychics have the ability to read and clear individual karma (past life and from this plane). If you want to know what your actual karma is, this is the way to go. But first take a closer look.

Change your actions
Since karma is literally, the results of your actions, what goes around comes around. If you can see the link to what's happening to you in your actions, you may very well have your answer. Change your actions. It may seem difficult at first - and it will be - but you can choose to alter your karma most of the time.

Be thankful
Karmic situations are not just negative ones. While people can often be heard complaining when something bad happens to them, it's rare to hear someone say "wow, karma!" if something great happens. The next time you're faced with what seems like good luck - say you're that rare person who never has trouble finding a parking space, try a little gratitude - it goes a long way.

Check your intentions
Even if someone is able to clear your karma, you will continue to have free will. Thoughts impact action and karma. The only way to undertake a karmic cleansing is with purity of intention and a real readiness to let go and move on.

The secret
Sometimes karma is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You know, "I'll never find my soulmate," or "I can't do that." As much as these thoughts may be motivated by something beyond your understanding (low self-esteem, habit, past life actions), with or without a karmic assessment and cleansing, a certain amount of responsibility lies with you. Only you control your thoughts. And only you control your actions.

So make them good ones - and enjoy karmic benevolence!
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[Dixon]

Unfortunately, as Braggi has pointed out, karma doesn't work very consistently. If it did, murderous sociopaths like Dubya and friends would get their comeuppance quickly and, as a result, such behaviors would be rare. (BTW, if you agree with that, understand that you are endorsing the deterrent power of punishment).

Instead, it appears that most of the oppressive creeps are having a wonderful time, while harmless poor folks live in misery. That's a pretty good argument against the existence of a loving god.

We would like to think that the oppressors suffer a penalty in terms of guilt, but to the extent that people are sociopathic, they seem to be pretty much immune to guilt, unfortunately.

I do believe in the loose "hippie" version of karma: What goes around tends to come around. In any case, we should do good, not just because it will tend to come back to us, but just out of love and empathy for others, "...so be good for goodness' sake!"

The important fact that is often missed in our New Agey community is that doing good necessarily includes learning critical thinking skills to better determine what really is good or bad; "faith" or "following one's heart" or believing some spiritual tradition often lead us into destructive stupidities or even brutalities.

For instance, most people don't realize that the very concept of karma has historically been used as a rationalization for brutality! We can justify being really really nasty to those lower-caste untouchables because they were horrible people in their previous lives--otherwise they wouldn't have been born as untouchables in this one. Of course, a bit of critical thinking would make it clear that "past lives" probably don't even exist, thus destroying that pernicious rationalization. So dig it, folks: If you want to do good, you have to think rationally.

Yours for heartful minds and mindful hearts;

Dixon

[Clancy]

Dixon, that was a sheer delight to read.




Unfortunately, as Braggi has pointed out, karma doesn't work very consistently. If it did, murderous sociopaths like Dubya and friends would get their comeuppance quickly and, as a result, such behaviors would be rare. (BTW, if you agree with that, understand that you are endorsing the deterrent power of punishment).

Instead, it appears that most of the oppressive creeps are having a wonderful time, while harmless poor folks live in misery. That's a pretty good argument against the existence of a loving god.

We would like to think that the oppressors suffer a penalty in terms of guilt, but to the extent that people are sociopathic, they seem to be pretty much immune to guilt, unfortunately.

I do believe in the loose "hippie" version of karma: What goes around tends to come around. In any case, we should do good, not just because it will tend to come back to us, but just out of love and empathy for others, "...so be good for goodness' sake!"

The important fact that is often missed in our New Agey community is that doing good necessarily includes learning critical thinking skills to better determine what really is good or bad; "faith" or "following one's heart" or believing some spiritual tradition often lead us into destructive stupidities or even brutalities.

For instance, most people don't realize that the very concept of karma has historically been used as a rationalization for brutality! We can justify being really really nasty to those lower-caste untouchables because they were horrible people in their previous lives--otherwise they wouldn't have been born as untouchables in this one. Of course, a bit of critical thinking would make it clear that "past lives" probably don't even exist, thus destroying that pernicious rationalization. So dig it, folks: If you want to do good, you have to think rationally.

[Dixon]

Dixon, that was a sheer delight to read.

I don't want to bore the Wacco readership with lengthy compliments directed to individuals, so, like Clancy, I'll make this (perhaps uncharacteristically) brief:

Thanks, Clancy, for your nourishing expression of appreciation. I also consistently appreciate your expressed wisdom.

Thanks also to Dian ("Tacitus") and Kali "nurturetruth" Ray for similar appreciations expressed privately. Please know that the appreciation is mutual.

Big Love;

Dixon

[Dixon]

...In subjective reality there’s only one consciousness, and it’s yours. Consequently, there’s only one source of intentions in your universe — YOU.

This is true as long as you're only talking about a person's own subjective universe. But, unless you are solipsistic (psychotically self-centered), surely you recognize that your subjective universe is in a physical brain which shares a huge objective universe with gazillions of other beings each of which has their own subjective universe which is no less real than yours--except to you.


While you may observe lots of walking, talking bodies in your reality, they all exist inside your consciousness.

Here is one of the main fallacies of the Law of Attraction: confusing our subjective images of others with the objectively existent others who really exist outside our subjective realities. Yes, your images of people (and of everything else) exist only in your mind. But, unless these images are hallucinations, dreams or figments of imagination, they correspond to real, objective, solid humans (and animals, objects, etc.), every bit as real as yourself, and capable of affecting you whether you like it or not.


Since none of the other characters you encounter are conscious in a way that’s separate from you, nobody else can have intentions.

This is flatly wrong. True, your subjective images of others are not conscious and cannot have intentions any more than a painting of a wine bottle has real wine in it, but the real, objectively-existent people represented by these images are just as real and conscious as you, and they all have intentions, some of which will cause them to affect you in ways contrary to your own intentions.


The only intentions are yours. You’re the only thinker in this universe.

Sure, in your subjective universe. And it's important to realize that how we respond to the external conditions of our lives is largely conditioned by our subjective choices; to that degree we are responsible for our universes, our lives. But the objective universe has power over us, too (gravity and other physical laws, aging, death, bullets, the conditions that create poverty, etc. etc.). While denying that is tempting, as it makes us feel more powerful and thus more secure, it is neither realistic nor enlightened.


YOU are the only creator of your reality!

Again, this is true to a limited degree. But when stated absolutistically as you've done here, it's an extremist viewpoint with ugly implications. For instance, it's the ultimate blame-the-victim position; those suffering from poverty, rape, oppression, horrible illnesses either mental or physical, etc. must have created it themselves. There goes any basis for empathy right out the window. Conversely, those blessed with health, wealth and happiness (which presumably includes most of the Law of Attraction's purveyors) must be more enlightened, because look at the wonderful reality they've created for themselves, without any help from luck, or being born white, or born wealthy, or born with a healthy body and mind, etc. Pardon me while I vomit.

Here's a great irony to keep in mind whenever discussing the Law of Attraction: If someone really believes "YOU are the only creator of your reality!", then they can't possibly have any gripe no matter what someone does to them, as they believe they created it themselves. So let's declare open season on Law of Attraction devotees! Rob them, rape them, violate them any way you want; hey, they created it! I can't wait to punch one of them in the face and then say "Wow, look at that--your chin attracted my fist!" (To those of you who are humor-impaired: I'm not really suggesting anyone do that stuff, but I do think that Law of Attraction devotees are asking for it, big-time!)

Nurturetruth, I know you're a good-hearted person. I urge you to resist the temptation to totally embrace the power fantasies of the Law of Attraction, including its irrational parts, and instead use your mind as sharply as possible to distinguish the good teachings from the ugly and stupid ones.

Love;

Dixon

["Mad" Miles]

Dixon,

I may be late to the bandwagon but let me chime in anyway:

You Da HU-Man!

Right on Brother.

On the topic of doing good, consider this. Perhaps the value of what is good is intrinsic - what is good is good because it is good - rather than extrinsic - as in, we do good because it will get us what we want in the long run; i.e. what goes around comes around / karma / etc.

I long ago decided to affirm the values that appeal to me; justice, peace, love, pleasure, equality, and so on, because they simply seemed like the right/correct/just ... things to do. Not because by doing so I would get what I wanted. But because the "nature" of things as I was beginning to understand them is that meaning is a constantly changing and fleeting chaotic morass based upon what people actually DO in the world, rather than what they/we say.

At one point I realized that Ethics/Morality are usually made up after the fact, to justify what people were already doing in order to secure and justify their own self-interest.

So, I might as well affirm the values that make sense to me, without expectation of return and positive results, just because if we're all making it up as we go along, why not go for what I conceive as the best?

Not easy to do by the way. I seem to keep pissing other people off, and they me. But I haven't given up!!!

Cheers Babies, Embrace the absurdity before the absurdity embraces you!

And Mykil, beautiful account of why it's so hard to keep on keeping on, my respect and admiration to you Brother,

"Mad" Miles

:burngrnbounce:

P.S. Yo BARRY, How cum da smilies are takin' so long to load? Must be 'cause I'm on at peak surfin' time?

[Barry]

P.S. Yo BARRY, How cum da smilies are takin' so long to load? Must be 'cause I'm on at peak surfin' time?No, I think that there is a problem with the way I implemented them. I hope to get that straightened out at some point.

[ThePhiant]

Hey Dixie,

I forgot to mention that I TOO get thank you letters, including from the people you mentioned.
I changed 2 letters in NurtureTruth's name and she wrote to me; I love YOU,
So there,


I don't want to bore the Wacco readership with lengthy compliments directed to individuals, so, like Clancy, I'll make this (perhaps uncharacteristically) brief:

Thanks, Clancy, for your nourishing expression of appreciation. I also consistently appreciate your expressed wisdom.

Thanks also to Dian ("Tacitus") and Kali "nurturetruth" Ray for similar appreciations expressed privately. Please know that the appreciation is mutual.

Big Love;

Dixon

[Sonomamark]

I imagine I will be in the minority here on this, but what I believe is that karma, very much like gods and magic and an afterlife, is a fiction which people invented and cling to because it helps them to feel better. People want want to believe that there is some inherent function in the Universe that leads to justice. Unfortunately, there is no real evidence for that. Little kids die for no reason at all; Stalin died peacefully in his bed.

Contending with the cosmos" lack of fairness is hard; much easier to invent an arbitrary principle that declares things will work out in the long run.

Nor do I go for the idea that things balance out through reincarnation. Because, well...there isn"t evidence for that, either.

[Hey, Barry: how come I can"t type an apostrophe on WACCObb without invoking the page search function in Firefox? This is the only place I have ever seen that effect.]



Sonomamark


What do you feel about Karma and how it affects our lives? What where you raised to believe? And for Lulu, how long will I rot in hell for stomping on the little suckers?

[Sonomamark]

What he said. Absolutely. Thanks, Dixon. I agree with every word you say here.

It bears saying that the "Law of Attraction" thing is a complete encapsulation of the paradigm of American capitalism. Expectation/requirement of absolute self-reliance, heavy materialism, assumptions of meritocracy and unlimited opportunity, presumption of dissatisfaction with the status quo and the need to "get more", and ascription of blame to those who suffer. That's America, and that's the structural frame of the Law of Attraction crowd...in fact, of the newage generally.

[hey, I can use apostrophes now! Thanks, Barry!]


Which leads me to a thought problem. What if, folks, the current state of your life is as good as it will ever get, and it's never going to get any better? What if your challenge is not to constantly strive for what's "missing", but rather to find joy in what is right here and right now, not next year, not when you've found (the person, the job, the house, the money, whatever), nor after you "become enlightened"?

What if striving is just the same con job that the entire advertising industry keeps pouring all over us, telling us we need something more than what we have now to be whole and happy?

In short, what if pursuing you-can-have-it-all schemes like "the Laws of Attraction" is just another dead-end distraction?

[nurturetruth]

Dixon,

Thanks for the love! I appreciate the vibe!

You raise some valid points. and i appreciate your response.


"This is true as long as you're only talking about a person's own subjective universe. But, unless you are solipsistic (psychotically self-centered), surely you recognize that your subjective universe is in a physical brain which shares a huge objective universe with gazillions of other beings each of which has their own subjective universe which is no less real than yours--except to you." "YES ,agreed."

Sure, in your subjective universe. And it's important to realize that how we respond to the external conditions of our lives is largely conditioned by our subjective choices; to that degree we are responsible for our universes, our lives. "Choice is the magic of Freedom!""

Nurturetruth, I know you're a good-hearted person. Thank Ya! As YOU are!! I urge you to resist the temptation to totally embrace the power fantasies of the Law of Attraction, including its irrational parts, and instead use your mind as sharply as possible to distinguish the good teachings from the ugly and stupid ones.

Love,

Dixon
dixon

There is a field between good and bad/ugly/stupid where we can dance. I will meetyou (and hopefully ALL) there one day...:heart:

"I consider myself far from a devotee or follower of any belief system but my own..IF I have one at ALL !
I see Law of Attraction as perhaps more of a practice than a belief. I feel a "Belief" is generally an expression of wishful thinking rather than true understanding. Though wishful thinking or visualization is always and CAN be very helpful in terms of manifesting. So can "INTENT".<tt>

Starting at a fairly young age, I would engage in rituals and spells, tarot or rather..working with energy in different ways. I recall that the emotions, awareness of intent or just plain INTENT had alot to do with what I would receive back. It was as if I was playing with energy and emotional-thought.

And when i was young..I also made a few mistakes along the way of practicing with energy..and DID OBSERVE how the energy does and can come back....one way or the other!


P.S.. Family blood line of native american /pagan is present but I was raised by a pagan repressed hippie mother and atheist father.

:yinyang:
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[Tinque]

As I was house sitting at my lovely sisters house awhile back, I was wondering around the property and must have stepped on a little anthill on the ground. Thus bringing all the little critters up from the depths of there safe little home and out in the open with all those little white eggs on there little backs running around like who knows what? Anyway I did not realize I had stepped on the little nest as I was on may way to check out the guest houses in the back and look at the magnificent views over St Helena and beyond. On the way back I noticed all the little critters running about all frantic as all hell.
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This is where I think my life came to a dramatic change. AS I was watching the little dudes and dudettes running about I decided to stomp on them all. After I stepped on the little hill about three times with all my force, I stopped and stepped back a little and just started wondering why I would do such a thing. I know the little red suckers bite like hell and as a child I generally just loved fucking up there little world whenever possible. But I am not a child anymore and this is still the way I feel, wow! At any rate my poor little mind did not stop there. Thus bringing on the new and improved version of my life as I know it.
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The question that remains on my mind that I can and will get a handle on eventually is this. Where did the Karma come from? Now this is a strong question to me. How can those poor little ants have this Karma? Why was it that I as a person was able to enforce this Karma on their little world, who was in charge of this Karma? What will be my Karma from devastating their little world? Why was I brought up to only believe that Karma was a human trait and the rest on the world had nothing to do with this cosmic energy?
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Now I don’t think I need any counseling or congratulations on the changing of the guards in my mind, this is not what I am posting for. I am more interested in the minds at work in our community. I really want to hear some deep thoughts on Karma in general and not the stuff you find in the books around town. Granted there are a lot of great books on the subject I can refer to. I am more interested in what our community thinks. What are your thoughts on this matter? What do you feel about Karma and how it affects our lives? What where you raised to believe? And for Lulu, how long will I rot in hell for stomping on the little suckers?
Well it is funny that I read this this evening as I the subject of "Karma: has come up very recently. As I grew up, "Karma" was , what you put out in the world or even within yourself. If it is good you shall recieve good "Karma" , yet if you are not so good in your choices and hurt , destroy , etc. you shall most likely recieve bad "Karma". Now as I am still in the process ( and will be forever) , I do not really think that there is any consistancy in this So called "Karma" .. I find that life is full of many journeys you can choose to explore or not. Sometimes things go in complete chaos and sometimes smoothe as silk. Our environment , in which has been created by us all , is so completely jumbled that I can only feel that we can only try our best. That means making mistakes , doing something inappropriate , stepping on ants because they bite or are menacing ( a natural reaction),giving someone a hug , acknowleding someone in a nice way for any or no reason , to look at someone when they speak to you and actually listen, to not expect anything from anyone , to take care of ourselves and show each other respect , kindess, guidance , laughter and love .. Or not ?

[Dixon]

Mark;

Nice to see your characteristically deep and exquisitely expressed thinking again. I've been missing you lately.

Dixon




What he said. Absolutely. Thanks, Dixon. I agree with every word you say here.

It bears saying that the "Law of Attraction" thing is a complete encapsulation of the paradigm of American capitalism. Expectation/requirement of absolute self-reliance, heavy materialism, assumptions of meritocracy and unlimited opportunity, presumption of dissatisfaction with the status quo and the need to "get more", and ascription of blame to those who suffer. That's America, and that's the structural frame of the Law of Attraction crowd...in fact, of the newage generally.

[hey, I can use apostrophes now! Thanks, Barry!]


Which leads me to a thought problem. What if, folks, the current state of your life is as good as it will ever get, and it's never going to get any better? What if your challenge is not to constantly strive for what's "missing", but rather to find joy in what is right here and right now, not next year, not when you've found (the person, the job, the house, the money, whatever), nor after you "become enlightened"?

What if striving is just the same con job that the entire advertising industry keeps pouring all over us, telling us we need something more than what we have now to be whole and happy?

In short, what if pursuing you-can-have-it-all schemes like "the Laws of Attraction" is just another dead-end distraction?

[Tars]

If no one can explain it does it really exist?
Does love exist? Explain it.

[mykil]

Geez Tars; I even know this one, and it only took me about three years of thought to apprehend this conclusion! Here it is just for you:
We are love, love is god, god is we! Now when you fall in love, that is just where love collides!!! LMAO!!!




Does love exist? Explain it.

[ThePhiant]

wait a minute guys
existentialist's questions go to the Dixie Deity
and the deity will tell you that since you can't prove it through scientific critical thinking, the thinking is that it doesn't exist, it's an illusion.
and since an illusion can't be proven to exist, it means that you ain't thinking
:attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attention::attent ion::attention:


Does love exist? Explain it.

[ThePhiant]

I think you should have consulted with the Indomitable Love Goddess NurtureTruth first.
BTW what happened to her? where is she?
dancing away?:ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew::ew:


Geez Tars; I even know this one, and it only took me about three years of thought to apprehend this conclusion! Here it is just for you:
We are love, love is god, god is we! Now when you fall in love, that is just where love collides!!! LMAO!!!

[Braggi]

It's pretty easy to prove that love exists. There are measurable physiological changes in a person's body that happen during various stages of love. Some of them are fairly significant changes.

It's thinking that's much more difficult to prove the existence of. :wink:

And yet there is evidence for lack of thinking everywhere. :hmmm:

Love,

-Jeff

[ThePhiant]

I don't know what study you are referring to
any links?
but still, it only would prove that there are some physiological reactions
and are these exclusively present during love?
humans only? animals ?
was it love or sex that was being measured?

I'm pretty sure brain waves can be measured for thinking
but you're right, the absence of thinking seems to be prevalent and is maybe the natural state of being for most


It's pretty easy to prove that love exists. There are measurable physiological changes in a person's body that happen during various stages of love. Some of them are fairly significant changes.

It's thinking that's much more difficult to prove the existence of. :wink:

And yet there is evidence for lack of thinking everywhere. :hmmm:

Love,

-Jeff

[nurturetruth]

I loved what Lorrie shared regarding "How to Cleanse Karma!" :thumbsup:

And, I have enjoyed scanning Sonoma Mark, Dixons and Jeffs exchanging. Oh , how i love interesting beings!

I have not fully read all the messages, because I am experiencing the beautiful karma of what loving the self can attract into my life! !

Until then, what is written below...I found this morning in my email..


Experience the Law of Karma in this way:

1. Witness the choices you make in every moment. The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.

2. Whenever you make a choice, ask yourself two questions: “What are the consequences of this choice?” and “Will this choice bring happiness to me and to those who are affected by this choice?”

3. Ask your heart for guidance, and be guided by its message of comfort or discomfort. If the choice feels comfortable, go ahead with that choice. If the choice feels uncomfortable, then don’t make that choice.

[mykil]

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I am taking one of my lovely daughters to Reggie Rising starting next Thursday. So I need a new tent, I have been looking at yard sales for the past few weeks and have not found what I have been looking for, or even a tent for that matter. Last night, [Saturday evening] I decide to head over to sportmart, in the Costco center off Santa Rosa ave. and bite the bullet to speak, and just buy a dam tent. I look them up on line to get an idea of what I am going to buy. I decide on the one I already have. [Just to lazy to take in down and clean out all the stuff I have in it]. This is a nice tent and it is well over a hundred bucks, closer to two. But what the hell we are going to have fun. It will be money well spent [NOT]!<o:p></o:p>
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So off I go, I hate going to Rosa! Up Hern, over the over pass, I am a back roads kind of guy, so there is a guy selling stuff right at the Costco center, a friggin yardsale at around six at night. A few nice piece of furniture for my shop so wham, he has my full attention, I pull over and start asking about the prices of his fine used furniture and wham again, there is my tent, brand new sitting there on the side just catching my eye and I think I must have smiled or something, cause he looked at me and asked me “you wanna buy a tent”? I said maybe how much? $40 bucks dude. No worries brand new still in the container it came in, never even opened, and still sealed in its original package!!!! I must have been smiling!!! So I bye a truck load of furniture load it up and get him down to twenty bucks on the tent, along with a complete truckload of furniture, it was under what I was about to put out for the whole friggin tent, I am on my way to buy at Sportmart! Now this is a matter of Twenty Seconds, in twenty seconds I would have been parked and in that store. I was amazed and in awe! I still am. What would you call this? Good Karma or just Karma. Now I did do the guy a favor by buying all of his furniture for me to resale, in return I get a brand-new tent for practically nothing? Hmmm wonders never seem to amaze me! I do live good and happy, I may be one hell of a flirt, and allot don’t approve, but I do live and stand by my Karma!!!!! Peace!:heart: <o:p></o:p>
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