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dubwise
03-16-2007, 05:24 PM
Firings of US Attorneys

This could be George Bush's Watergate?

Eight U.S. Attorneys, fired because they wouldn't follow orders by the Bush Administration.

Fired because they refused to go on witch-hunts against Democrats, or ignored the Republicans' blatant disregard for the law. Fired so that they could be replaced by talking heads and loyalists of the Bush Administration.

When Scooter Libby was convicted, I said that this administration reminded me of Richard Nixon's administration -- more obsessed with their critics than with the jobs the American people entrust them with. But this latest White House scandal takes that comparison to another level.

Just what did George Bush, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales and the rest of the Bush White House and Republican senior staff know about the Justice Department firings -- and when did they know it?

Join us in our effort to use the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to try to cut through the White House's nonsense -- the finger-pointing, the lies, the cover-up. Americans have a right to access any and all records between the Republican National Committee, other Republican party committees, and the Department of Justice in order to get to the bottom of this investigation.

Sign our FOIA request:

https://www.democrats.org/RNCFOIA

"I can accept that mistakes were made."

When Attorney General Alberto Gonzales uttered those words yesterday, he admitted what many had suspected: that eight U.S. prosecutors were improperly fired -- and, because of a Patriot Act provision slipped in by Congressional Republicans, replaced with Bush Administration cronies. The fired attorneys included:

Carol Lam, who prosecuted former Republican Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham for bribery, and who was actively investigating Republican House Appropriations Chairman Jerry Lewis at the time of her dismissal;
Paul Charlton, who was investigating Republican Congressman Rick Renzi for bribery and illegal land dealings, and who had publicly clashed with the Bush Administration over the merits of the death penalty; and
David Iglesias, a commander in the U.S. Navy Reserve and the basis for Tom Cruise's character in A Few Good Men, who was pressured by Republicans to indict Democratic politicians prior to the 2006 elections.
In January, Gonzales claimed that he would "never, ever make a change in a United States attorney for political reasons or if it would in any way jeopardize an ongoing serious investigation." Justice Department officials claimed the firings were part of standard personnel turnover.

But when questioned by Congress, Gonzales's deputy, Paul McNulty, claimed they were fired for poor performance -- even though most of the fired attorneys had received excellent performance reviews.

Karl Rove, Harriet Miers and President Bush himself were in contact with Gonzales's office about the attorneys. Just weeks after Bush spoke to Gonzales, they were fired.

Former Washington state GOP Chairman Chris Vance admitted to pressuring fired U.S. Attorney John McKay to investigate Democrats at the urging of the "White House's political office." And emails released yesterday show that White House deputy political director and former RNC opposition researcher J. Scott Jennings used an RNC email account to talk with Justice Department about the appointment of U.S. Attorney and former Karl Rove aide Tim Griffin.

These revelations raise even more questions -- and it's time for answers. Add your name to the FOIA Request, and demand accountability from the White House:

https://www.democrats.org/RNCFOIA

In an all-too-familiar scene, Gonzales's chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, resigned over the scandal. But we won't let Sampson be the fall guy for another Bush Administration cover-up.

Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Scooter Libby, already took the fall for the Bush Administration's orchestrated leak of a CIA agent's identity. And incompetent FEMA Director and Bush buddy Michael Brown took the fall for our president's disgraceful reaction to Hurricane Katrina -- while the Gulf Coast remains in shambles.

Just like the Nixon Administration, cronyism and corruption has hollowed this White House from the inside-out.

It's time for Republicans to stop spinning such a tangled web of deceit to get what they want. Some Democratic Senators have already called for Alberto Gonzales's resignation. But this is part of a much bigger problem.

The purge of U.S. Attorneys wasn't a "mistake," as Alberto Gonzales claims. It was part of a long, calculated effort by the Bush Administration and the Republican Party to silence its critics and remain above the law.

Help us use this FOIA request to go beyond the lies and reveal the truth behind the White House, Justice Department, and Republican Party's corruption. The American people deserve nothing less:

https://www.democrats.org/RNCFOIA

Sincerely,

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

dandss1
03-17-2007, 12:27 AM
Too funny! U.S Attorneys serve at the discretion of the President. Bush #1 fired a few, Clinton fired them all. Bush #2 firing eight is nothing. The uproar is nothing more than politics as usual. My question is this. Why do people here get so upset about things over which they have no control, yet don't have a clue about the things that do matter and do effect their daily lives, such as what goes on at City Hall, or in the State Legislature?

Easier to complain about Washington D.C. politics, than do something of real value on the local level isn't it!

Such is life in Sebastopol. :hmmm:

dandss1
03-17-2007, 11:07 AM
To quote one of the recently fired attorneys, "I believe, and I think all my colleagues believe, the real reason is partisan politics," the former U.S. Attorney for the District of New Mexico, David Iglesias

Politics as usual. As for "immoral and possibly illegal" those are just your subjective opinions, not fact and since when did that make any difference anyway? Politics as usual.

It was not my intent to attack the messenger, but to point out that people should be more aware of what happens on the local and state level of politics, things that directly effect your daily lives. Firing some political appointies in D.C. effects no one here. We already know how corrupt federal politics are.

Tars
03-17-2007, 06:33 PM
people should be more aware of what happens on the local and state level of politics, things that directly effect your daily lives.
Not meaning to join in on ganging up on you....but...

You have a good point - people should pay more attention to local & state politics. We all should pay more attention to national politics as well. Why do you assume from this thread that people aren't aware of local/state politics?


Firing some political appointies in D.C. effects no one here.Hopefully you're just being drole? Federal judges are some of the most powerful and influential people in the world! Rulings by these judges have profound effects on all U.S. citizens - beyond the impact that most elected officials have.

"Mad" Miles
03-17-2007, 06:52 PM
A couple of corrections:

They were not Federal Judges, they were Federal District Attorney's responsible for prosecuting crimes involving Federal law.

And they weren't just in Washington D.C. they were from various different parts of the country.

Hope this helps.

"M"M

Tars
03-17-2007, 08:17 PM
They were not Federal Judges, they were Federal District Attorney's responsible for prosecuting crimes involving Federal law.
Wups! Absolutely correct Miles, I mis-labelled them...which does not negate the amount of power they wield, and the impact they can have on an average person's life. A healthy chunk of the cases that end up in front of the Supreme Court are acted upon in some fashion by these people. This is exactly why Presidents typically fire the whole bunch of them at the beginning of the term, especially if there's a party switch in office. I don't remember a president firing a prosecutor before though, for not persecuting an opposition politician with prejudice.

I'm really bothered by the "it's just politics" attitude so prevalent these days. It's always been "just politics". But more than we ever have before, we have an opportunity now to deal with criminal politicians (and firing a prosecutor for going after one of a politican's cronies should be criminal). Criminal politicians are like sexual predators. They've always been in the population. But unlike it was just a couple of decades ago, now we have media coverage that drags them out into the light of day. We serve ourselves by going after criminal politicians, just as we're going after sexual predators. If we blow it off because "it's just politics", we'll only get the closed society we deserve for our laziness.

Tars

dandss1
03-18-2007, 11:30 PM
Good points one and all, except for Mr. Clancy whoever you may be. You seem to take this rather personally and with a great deal of anger. I quote, "Your inane defense of such unethical conduct is." Your angry response is a bit distrubing and speaks to your character.

May I ask if you have ever worked as a federal employee? Ever worked as a political appointee, or served a political appointee? Ever worked in a federal office in Washington D.C.? I have. For several decades, under several administrations and during transition changes following administration changes. You sir have no idea how much back stabbing goes on there, how much unethical conduct as you call it, is accepted as the norm. By both Republicans and Democrats! I know that may come as a shock to you, but Washington D.C is all about politics. I am not defending that conduct, it is just a way of life inside the Beltway. You accept it or you leave. Wheather you like it or not is irrelevant. Walk a mile in my shoes before you make judgements my friend.

To the others, thank you for your responses. They have been informative and the points are well taken.

From my personal persepctive, Gonzales should be fired, as he was primarily a politically correct political appointee. Never mind his poor qualifications for the position. Were the firings politically motivated? You bet! Were they immoral? No. Illegal? No. Not even the people involved are saying that! Unethical? Yes, but you already know my opinions on that. In the high stakes political game, people get fired for not towing the party line, for making the wrong political remark, even for wearing the wrong T-shirt to an agency event. Happens all the time. So it really is about political agendas etc etc. It might be a sad state of affairs, but it is reality.

Sorry to have stirred up this debate. My point really was that people should pay more attention to what's happening at the local level, than to D.C political decisions over which they have no real control. Wishing for some monumental event to remove George W. from office just isn't going to happen. Only time and another election will take care of that.

Tars
03-19-2007, 01:22 AM
My point really was that people should pay more attention to what's happening at the local level, than to D.C political decisions over which they have no real control. Wishing for some monumental event to remove George W. from office just isn't going to happen. Only time and another election will take care of that.

Better yet, let's each one try to invest some of our precious-as-gold time and attention to local issues, state, and national issues all; they all immediately affect our lives. <sigh> It's difficult being an adult. Part of that difficulty is fulfilling our responsibility as U.S. citizens, on issues federal, state, and local. Don't blow any of them off; let's do it.

Tars</sigh>

Tars
03-20-2007, 08:23 AM
Heh...I saw a post that I thought was fairly humorous, on the Balloon Juice website:
https://www.balloon-juice.com/

Regarding upper echelon members of the Bush administration, Karl, etc. who may be subpoened:

"Personally, I say we subject them to strict interrogation methods. After all, those methods aren’t torture."

That would be true poetic justice, eh? Rove, Gonzalez, et al subjected to the same techniques they've so earnestly espoused for others.

OK, OK - so I'm biased!

Tars
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