The "Housecleaner Available" controversy

[JosieOrtez]

I am thorough, efficient and reliable.

I have excellent references and charge reasonable rates.

MAY ALL BEINGS
BE HAPPY!

JOSIE 566-8431

[ThePhiant]

this person doesn't respond to phone messages
I am thorough, efficient and reliable.

I have excellent references and charge reasonable rates.

MAY ALL BEINGS
BE HAPPY!

JOSIE 566-8431

[Jo Pettit]

this person doesn't respond to phone messages

I phoned Josie Ortez last week and she responded promptly before the end of the day. I engaged her services and she cleaned my house for the first time last week and did an EXCELLENT job. She has responded to all my phone calls promptly and arrived on time on the appointed day. I will continue to use Josie's services and recommend her to others.

Blessings,
Jo Pettit

[Dynamique]

Maybe she has tried to return your call(s) and just cannot get thru because you are either not answering your phone or are chatting on it and tying up the line!!!


i am sure she is great and i hope i can get her to work for me, if she is not responding to messages that probably means she is overwhelmed with responses because the Universe really is abundant, be careful what you ask for as you will get it in abundance (i hope i don't get censored for this one too) i think it is important
https://www.YourKindnessMatters.org

[ThePhiant]

I called her more than 2 weeks ago. I seldom use my landline , and I am gone at least 4 out of 7 days.
that is why I have an answeringmachine with remote access
any other excuses?
even if she is not available , it would be professional to let me know that!
otherwise don't advertise that you are 'efficient and reliable'

there is a whole discussion going on about this kind of behavior, I feel we should post our experiences



Maybe she has tried to return your call(s) and just cannot get thru because you are either not answering your phone or are chatting on it and tying up the line!!!

[BizWrangler]

I would also recommend Josie Ortez for critter sitting. She's done it for me in the past, and I was pleased.
Biz Wrangler

i am sure she is great and i hope i can get her to work for me, if she is not responding to messages that probably means she is overwhelmed with responses because the Universe really is abundant, be careful what you ask for as you will get it in abundance (i hope i don't get censored for this one too) i think it is important
https://www.YourKindnessMatters.org (https://www.yourkindnessmatters.org/)

[Dynamique]

Apologies, ThePhiant, my observation was directed at SEELOVE, who has told us all about her telephone and communication habits/policies in several rambling posts over the past two weeks.

With respect to your telephonic communication situation, it sounds like it's wide open for someone to get through! I have no idea what may be going on there.


I called her more than 2 weeks ago. I seldom use my landline , and I am gone at least 4 out of 7 days.
that is why I have an answeringmachine with remote access
any other excuses?
even if she is not available , it would be professional to let me know that!
otherwise don't advertise that you are 'efficient and reliable'

there is a whole discussion going on about this kind of behavior, I feel we should post our experiences

[ThePhiant]

just for those who are following this,
this is what I was send privately by Josie Cortez.
it doen't need any comments from me it speaks and confirms itself



<tt>Dear ThePhiant: NO EXCUSES HERE - WHEN I take a job THEN I am
efficient and reliable.

Here's the deal: Many many times I have returned calls about
housecleaning and not had
the calls returned. I have no problem with that, I figure that whoever
called has already
found someone. When people call me: if I have the time and feel I can
do the job I return
the call, IT"S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

Ain't no big deal either way.

Sincerely, and I mean that,

Josie Ortez</tt></pre>



I called her more than 2 weeks ago. I seldom use my landline , and I am gone at least 4 out of 7 days.
that is why I have an answeringmachine with remote access
any other excuses?
even if she is not available , it would be professional to let me know that!
otherwise don't advertise that you are 'efficient and reliable'

there is a whole discussion going on about this kind of behavior, I feel we should post our experiences

[DynamicBalance]

thats really incredibly rude, in my opinion, to post a private message on a public forum! i figure that if she wanted everyone to read it, she would have replied publicly.

that said, props to josie for her response. i am also a housecleaner and i can relate. i sometimes get tons of calls, and i have trouble getting back to everyone. it is very easy to simply forget to return a call, or accidently delete a voice message......any number of things can happen! sometimes my schedule is very uncertain, and i hate to call someone back about cleaning if im not sure when ill be available. even efficient and reliable people are human.




just for those who are following this,
this is what I was send privately by Josie Cortez.
it doen't need any comments from me it speaks and confirms itself



<TT>Dear ThePhiant: NO EXCUSES HERE - WHEN I take a job THEN I am
efficient and reliable.

Here's the deal: Many many times I have returned calls about
housecleaning and not had
the calls returned. I have no problem with that, I figure that whoever
called has already
found someone. When people call me: if I have the time and feel I can
do the job I return
the call, IT"S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

Ain't no big deal either way.

Sincerely, and I mean that,



Josie Ortez</TT>

</PRE>

[Barry]

just for those who are following this,
this is what I was send privately by Josie Cortez.I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier. It seems like I had seen this message before posted by Josie, and I was also thrown off by the typo ("send" vs "sent").

Yes, it is very "rude", as well as a serious violation of our Guidelines (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=886) to post a message sent to you privately. :spanking:

In this case, I don't know if Josie has a problem with this. I'll let the post stand unless I hear otherwise from her.

[BizWrangler]

I totally agree. Folks tend to get upset when their expectations are not met without first examining their expectations for "reasonableness". ThePhiant expected Josie to respond to calls from a total stranger when she could have had any number of reasons why not. If a call back did not come promptly, ThePhiant could have simply called another housekeeper. Instead, the worst was assumed and the publically posted here to discredit Josie. If they already had a business relationship or agreement between them, that would be one thing. But they were total strangers and had never met. I think TP had unreasonable expectations, at least posting publically.

Kudos to Josie for responding HONESTLY. She could have begged off for any number of reasons. I know with elderly parents, many of us have unexpected demands on us, and sometimes we simply are caught up with a full plate. I am sad that ThePhiant chose to lean towards discredit rather than giving the benefit of doubt. To do so again by posting a private email, especially when Josie never even worked for ThePhiant says more about ThePhiant than Josie.

I agree with Josie that once you are her client she's completely on top of communications and does a great job. She certainly was there for me, and I again recommend her.

Be Kind,and let's not jump to conclusions.....
BizWrangler









thats really incredibly rude, in my opinion, to post a private message on a public forum! i figure that if she wanted everyone to read it, she would have replied publicly.

that said, props to josie for her response. i am also a housecleaner and i can relate. i sometimes get tons of calls, and i have trouble getting back to everyone. it is very easy to simply forget to return a call, or accidently delete a voice message......any number of things can happen! sometimes my schedule is very uncertain, and i hate to call someone back about cleaning if im not sure when ill be available. even efficient and reliable people are human.

[ThePhiant]

dear BizWrangler

As I stated before, I feel we should share our experiences.
just like you did, I shared mine
I never trashed Josie, all I did is state the fact that she ddn't return my call, a total stranger as you put it but, she is running a bussiness,
maybe you are advocating we don't do bussiness with people we don't know? BizWrangler???
the message she sent me 'privately" does not contain anything that I can consider private, after all as you pointed out we don't have a relationship!
and I feel she should have posted it publicly from the beginning . it would have cleared up this issue right away.
it doesn't discredit her, it only shows how she wants to run her business



I totally agree. Folks tend to get upset when their expectations are not met without first examining their expectations for "reasonableness". ThePhiant expected Josie to respond to calls from a total stranger when she could have had any number of reasons why not. If a call back did not come promptly, ThePhiant could have simply called another housekeeper. Instead, the worst was assumed and the publically posted here to discredit Josie. If they already had a business relationship or agreement between them, that would be one thing. But they were total strangers and had never met. I think TP had unreasonable expectations, at least posting publically.

Kudos to Josie for responding HONESTLY. She could have begged off for any number of reasons. I know with elderly parents, many of us have unexpected demands on us, and sometimes we simply are caught up with a full plate. I am sad that ThePhiant chose to lean towards discredit rather than giving the benefit of doubt. To do so again by posting a private email, especially when Josie never even worked for ThePhiant says more about ThePhiant than Josie.

I agree with Josie that once you are her client she's completely on top of communications and does a great job. She certainly was there for me, and I again recommend her.

Be Kind,and let's not jump to conclusions.....
BizWrangler

[ThePhiant]

Berry.

I no u r a stickler for the american version of the english language, so finally, for the first time, I read your guidelines. and there it was we "should" not post 'private' emails. it doesn't say can not, shall not or may not, but that we should not do such a thing. and rightfully so.
even though JC emailed me directly, it can hardly be considered a private email. as I said before, she should have posted it herself.
nothing personally.

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Yes, it is very "rude", as well as a serious violation of our Guidelines (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=886) to post a message sent to you privately. :spanking:
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[Barry]

Berry.
...
even though JC emailed me directly, it can hardly be considered a private email. as I said before, she should have posted it herself.
nothing personally.First, my name is Barry. And yours is Lul?

I don't know about you, Lul, but I know I am lot more careful when I am speaking publicly versus privately (if you think my spelling and missing words are bad in my posts, you should see the private ones:cower:). It's not for you decide if someone's private communication is fit for public consumption.

In this case, while I think it would be wise for Josie and other people who offer services here in Waccoville to let people know what that they can expect, she may have chosen to present this quite differently.


I feel we should share our experiences.Yes, I think that is true, and the golden rule still applies. I think we should all be very careful when speaking negatively about somebody in public. In most cases, there should be private communication to clear up any misunderstandings and present an opportunity to right whatever problems may have happened. Only after that has happened should you even consider posting a problem publicly.

In this case, a private dialog could have resulted in Josie posting her business practices, without any public complaints. If you were in her position, I imagine you would also prefer to be treated with the same respect.

Having said that, it can also be appropriate to post about a negative experience with a vendor here. The case of Hans the computer guy (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1611), comes to mind. Again, negative experiences should only be posted after having a private dialog and be motivated by a desire to alert the community rather than whining or retribution.

[ThePhiant]

Dear Barry,

we all know your name is Barry and not Berry
the first part of my post was all phonetically spelled..................
sorry that you didn't get it.


like I said before, this could have been cleared up, right away with her responding to my phone calls or the first posting. how do you suggest I communicate with someone that doesn't communicate???????

are we still allowed to post positive experiences????????
do we encourage other people to have negative experiences first before we speak up?????
should we assume that everybody on Wacco is honest and reliable???????
what can we expect from people who post on wacco?
does Barry check up on people who post?





First, my name is Barry. And yours is Lul?

I don't know about you, Lul, but I know I am lot more careful when I am speaking publicly versus privately (if you think my spelling and missing words are bad in my posts, you should see the private ones:cower:). It's not for you decide if someone's private communication is fit for public consumption.

In this case, while I think it would be wise for Josie and other people who offer services here in Waccoville to let people know what that they can expect, she may have chosen to present this quite differently.

Yes, I think that is true, and the golden rule still applies. I think we should all be very careful when speaking negatively about somebody in public. In most cases, there should be private communication to clear up any misunderstandings and present an opportunity to right whatever problems may have happened. Only after that has happened should you even consider posting a problem publicly.

In this case, a private dialog could have resulted in Josie posting her business practices, without any public complaints. If you were in her position, I imagine you would also prefer to be treated with the same respect.

Having said that, it can also be appropriate to post about a negative experience with a vendor here. The case of Hans the computer guy (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1611), comes to mind. Again, negative experiences should only be posted after having a private dialog and be motivated by a desire to alert the community rather than whining or retribution.

[Juggledude]

I can respect Barry's concerns regarding the public post of private email, and welcome the application of the guidelines in this respect.

I also can respect ThePhiant's desire to share a negative experience with the community, and appreciate the intent, if not the content of his(her?) post.

If someone is posting a service offered here on Wacco, or in the phone book, or anywhere else, they are performing a public action, putting forth their words into common space, and, imho, implicitly inviting comment on their demeanor, qualifications, comportment, actions, etc.

As a consumer, I am empowered to give my business to whomever I choose, and I will choose to give it to those who act in a professional and competent manner. To ignore phone calls, and to conduct business on an "if I feel like it, take it or leave it" attitude is surely the prerogative of anyone, though I, for one, will not do business in that style, and I appreciate the heads up provided by ThePhiant, though it certainly could have been done in a manner more respectful of the private email issue.

Royce

[Barry]

Dear Barry,

we all know your name is Barry and not Berry
the first part of my post was all phonetically spelled..................
sorry that you didn't get it.I'm sorry too. I missed that since Berry is not phonetic for Barry.



how do you suggest I communicate with someone that doesn't communicate???????Apparantly you were in direct email communication with Josie. Did you tell her you were going to post her private email and ask her permission? Did you request that she post her business practices?


are we still allowed to post positive experiences????????As I stated earlier, both positive and negative experiences are welcome here. The posting of positive experience should be either unsolicited or disclosed if they are solicited, and especially if there is any quid pro quo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo) involved. (Sure is a lot of Latin floating around here lately!) Negative experience should be validated and presented respectfully.


do we encourage other people to have negative experiences first before we speak up???????? But I presume the answer is no.


should we assume that everybody on Wacco is honest and reliable??????? what can we expect from people who post on wacco?The premise behind WaccoBB is that it is a community "conscious" people. Sure we are self-selected and at various points along the consciousness spectrum. I only call out gross transgressions, so its not something that you can rely on. However I have been impressed with the generally high standards of the posts here and, from what I can tell, the relationships and transactions that arise from these posts.

If you want to get a clearer idea of who someone is here, I suggest you view their public profile and prior posts (ttp://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13399). And I encourage everybody to participate (post) in our community besides just offering things or services for sale.


does Barry check up on people who post?On occasion... If something or someone catches my attention or is brought to my attention I do look into the matter privately and I help to remedy the situation as needed.

[BizWrangler]

dear BizWrangler

As I stated before, I feel we should share our experiences.
just like you did, I shared mine
I never trashed Josie, all I did is state the fact that she ddn't return my call, a total stranger as you put it but, she is running a bussiness,
maybe you are advocating we don't do bussiness with people we don't know? BizWrangler???
the message she sent me 'privately" does not contain anything that I can consider private, after all as you pointed out we don't have a relationship!
and I feel she should have posted it publicly from the beginning . it would have cleared up this issue right away.
it doesn't discredit her, it only shows how she wants to run her businessObviously, you believe there are absolutely no reasons what so ever why someone would not return a phone call for potential business, and that by not doing so (to someone they do not already have a business relationship with) then you assume they are not running their business properly. I beg to differ.

First, not every person or business is a slave to a cell phone. I don't have one, although it would definitely come in handy for my business if only there was cell phone coverage where I live/do business. So I do not carry a phone as I've spent hundreds of dollars to only be able to use one a few times. I also do not have high speed internet, so my use is also limited there as well.
When I am working on a project or with a client, I give 100% of my attention for as long as necessary. I don't check messages or emails then, and wait until I am on my own time again. Sometimes that's quite late at night, too late to call someone, and then I have to be out the door first thing in the morning, too early to call back. Sometimes, it's just not easy to respond as fast as you might like. Our society has become addicted to instant gratification, assuming everyone checks their emails 10 times a day and responds immediately to calls and emails. Not everyone can or does. That's not cause to jump to negative conclusions.

When I was in Georgia and Florida last year, I did have a pre-paid phone at that time, but I could not use it as there was no coverage in those areas! Since I was no where near home, and would not be for some time, I could not have performed any business anyway, so if anyone did call me quite honestly, I was not going to go to a pay phone and dump quarters into it to call back strangers and tell them I was out of town. No, I intentionally did not leave that message on my answering machine either, as my house was unattended during my absence, and I didn't want to let anyone know that, either. Besides, when people want my services, they usually want them NOW instead of three weeks later, and if they don't get me, they let their fingers do the walking and find someone else right away. No offense taken.

When I was the guardian of my retarded sister, she had a variety of medical emergencies which required me to drop everything and run up to WA state. She was in the hospital having emergency surgeries, and after 6 weeks of sitting by her bedside, I finally had to sign the papers to not perform anymore surgeries, etc., and just let her go. During this time, my father had a series of strokes, and I had to move him from his lifetime home of 55 years into a special facility, get his house cleaned out, on the market and sold, and go back and forth between him and her each day. I can promise you that the toll this took on me emotionally and physically was daunting, and the very last thing on my mind was checking for messages and calling back anyone that was not an absolute emergency. After my sister's funeral, I came home to a vandalized house, missing pets, and a whole other set of circumstances. Unfortunately, speaking to potential customers was not on my priority list, even speaking to anyone at all, so I went into a kind of cocoon due to my grief. It was all I could do to get dressed and wash my face, and I didn't even think to say anything on my outgoing message. Quite honestly, returning calls to strangers was beyond my state of mind at that time. I was already doing the best I could to cope with four deaths in my immediate family in a very short period of time. I couldn't even answer the phone or listen to messages. Life happens, so does death, and yes, sometimes there are more important things in life than returning your dang phone calls! Sorry!

I could tell you a number of other circumstances where I was not available but chose to keep that and my reasons private. During my five week trip in Europe, I didn't call and check my messages or return phone calls. I was on vacation. Again, since I live alone, I also didn't want anyone to know I was out of town, a lesson I had learned when I returned to a vandalized house before. So, I just left things as they were, including lights going on and off, although I did stop my newspaper subscription during that time.

While there could be any number of reasons why someone would/could not return your call, the basic message is that they are not available at that time and so move on and don't get your undies in a bunch over it. To make negative assumptions simply because of this, even to the extent that you judge the quality of their business services due to this is lacking the big picture. I know that Jodie strives to perform quality services, and so do I. I would hope people would give the benefit of the doubt and just assume for whatever reason I was not available if you didn't hear back from me, for whatever reason. If she was too busy to call you back, then she would not have had time for you anyway. What's the big deal? Could you not have surmised this for yourself, or perhaps considered there may have been some other reason why not? Hey, perhaps she had already heard negative things about YOU and decided she didn't want you as a client! Would you have liked her to call and tell you that?

I take issue with people who do NOT do what they say after you have had contact with them. I had a plumber recently hold up my job because I kept waiting for him to send me his bid. Four phone calls later, and promises unmet, I finally gave up and called someone else. He evidentially was too busy or didn't want the job. I just wish he would have told me from the start instead of promising to send the bid and do the work.

I do take issue with you posting Jodie's private email publically. I find that more disturbing than Jodie not returning your calls. I also take issue with you stating you were just sharing your experience with her. You had no experience with her to share. Now please go get a life! If you let little things like this get your undies in a bunch, count to ten and breath deeply! If you had hired Jodie and she did a lousey or a great job, then you would have had an experience to share with us.

BizWrangler

[DynamicBalance]

i also feel that people should be free to share their negative experiences......however, in this case, ThePhiant did not really have an "experience". it seems unfair to me to make such a general statement about a person ("this person doesnt respond to phone messages") publicly when it is based on assumptions. is it right to assume that someone is intentionally not returning your calls? as i tried to suggest in my previous post, it could have just as easily been a mistake. at the very least, ThePhiant should have included more details (for example, "this person hasnt responded to MY phone messages from several weeks ago").......its not cool to me to be careless (or full of assumptions) when you are saying something that has the potential to hurt someones business.

certainly posting your service is a public action, inherently inviting comment......but does that mean that people who post services publicly have no right to send private emails??? thats ridiculous.....

just as consumers have the right to choose who they do business with, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. thats great that you choose to deal only with professional people.......personally i would prefer someone who knows what they are doing, but is mellow about it......too much professionalism makes me uncomfortable.

lastly, lest we forget, words can have drastically different meanings to different people. for example, when i advertise myself as "reliable", i mean that if i say i will be there, i will be there, and if i cant for some reason, i will let you know. by this definition i am certainly reliable. clearly other people have different interpretations of this word......does that mean i should take the word out of my ad? i think not........just something to consider.

maybe i got carried away with this, but i take this situation a little personally because it could just as easily have been me, and not josie.


I can respect Barry's concerns regarding the public post of private email, and welcome the application of the guidelines in this respect.

I also can respect ThePhiant's desire to share a negative experience with the community, and appreciate the intent, if not the content of his(her?) post.

If someone is posting a service offered here on Wacco, or in the phone book, or anywhere else, they are performing a public action, putting forth their words into common space, and, imho, implicitly inviting comment on their demeanor, qualifications, comportment, actions, etc.

As a consumer, I am empowered to give my business to whomever I choose, and I will choose to give it to those who act in a professional and competent manner. To ignore phone calls, and to conduct business on an "if I feel like it, take it or leave it" attitude is surely the prerogative of anyone, though I, for one, will not do business in that style, and I appreciate the heads up provided by ThePhiant, though it certainly could have been done in a manner more respectful of the private email issue.

Royce

[Juggledude]

i also feel that people should be free to share their negative experiences......however, in this case, ThePhiant did not really have an "experience". it seems unfair to me to make such a general statement about a person ("this person doesnt respond to phone messages") publicly when it is based on assumptions. is it right to assume that someone is intentionally not returning your calls? as i tried to suggest in my previous post, it could have just as easily been a mistake. at the very least, ThePhiant should have included more details (for example, "this person hasnt responded to MY phone messages from several weeks ago").......its not cool to me to be careless (or full of assumptions) when you are saying something that has the potential to hurt someones business.

certainly posting your service is a public action, inherently inviting comment......but does that mean that people who post services publicly have no right to send private emails??? thats ridiculous.....

just as consumers have the right to choose who they do business with, businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. thats great that you choose to deal only with professional people.......personally i would prefer someone who knows what they are doing, but is mellow about it......too much professionalism makes me uncomfortable.

lastly, lest we forget, words can have drastically different meanings to different people. for example, when i advertise myself as "reliable", i mean that if i say i will be there, i will be there, and if i cant for some reason, i will let you know. by this definition i am certainly reliable. clearly other people have different interpretations of this word......does that mean i should take the word out of my ad? i think not........just something to consider.

maybe i got carried away with this, but i take this situation a little personally because it could just as easily have been me, and not josie.

Umphreak, (neat name!)

I really appreciate your reminder that semantics and these symbols we use called words can have different experiences for different people. As we are discussing in the "you are not responsible for another person's emotional reaction" (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16916) thread, I appreciate your owning your feelings, and identifying that you are taking this seriously and why. It seems the definition of "reliable" is very close to the heart of this thread.

I would disagree with the notion that ThePhiant did not have an "experience" however. As anyone familiar with marketing will corroborate, the experience starts when the potential customer first hears or sees your name. It then deepens upon their first contact (or attempted contact), which usually only occurs after repeated exposures. Here on Wacco, we have the advantage of being involved in a conscious community, and we have come to understand that the quality and depth of interactions we create here seem to be more than we experience through mass media or other channels. This benefit has apparently worked against Josie in this circumstance, as there was an obvious experience which was negative to thePhiant, even if that experience was only that his(her?) calls were not returned as promptly as expected.

Don't get me wrong, I fully support the delineation of private vs public emails in this situation, mainly because it's in the Guidelines (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=886) we have agreed to follow when joining. The subject of standing behind your words speaking with a single voice is a completely different matter, which I'd love to persue in the WaccoTalk (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) category if anyone is interested.

You seem to be assuming ThePhiant made assumptions in your remarks regarding the integrity of assuming assumptions. phew. Even typing it kinda twists my thoughts into circles... let alone thinking about it. True, the generalization of "this person does not..." is not as precise as "this person did not.." yet are we splitting hairs here? Personally, I assumed (uh oh!) that thePhiant was speaking from personal experience, and not making wider accusations.

BizWrangler,

I feel your passion regarding this issue, though must admit to some confusion over why you seem to be taking it quite so personally? I'm terribly sorry about the loss of your sister and the deaths and pain you have recently undergone. My compassion and heartfelt sympathy are yours. But what do they have to do with this situation? ThePhiant did not post any theories or accusations as to "why" the phone calls were not returned, your vehement defense of a position not attacked is confusing to me. Do you dispute that the phone calls were not returned? Do you assume that thePhiant has no compassion, or is unable to understand some circumstance, if given communication to that effect? Please, people, let us be reasonable and kind with each other, we are all divine, we are all fragile, we could all use and give a good hug.

Namaste,

Royce

[JosieOrtez]

Dear Waccoites-This has all come about because of (to the best of my
knowledge) ONE unreturned call to ThePhiant. That's it.

When I post my ad I will post it in the manner I see fit and not to satisfly
someone else's requirements. If a prospective client doesn't want to avail themselves of my services because of the way I post that is their business.

When I explained via personal email (and to the group) how it is with
unreturned calls when one is a houseclaner then ThePhiant complained that
I should have stated that earlier. No pleasing some people, I guess.

I have sent 4 personal emails to ThePhiant and not heard back from he/her.

Once again-It was (to the best of my knowledge) ONE unreturned call.


Josie Ortez

[ThePhiant]

("I'm sorry too. I missed that since Berry is not phonetic for Barry".)
my mistake, I could have sworn that is how you pronounced it when I met you at the Laguna Farm herb party.


("Apparantly you were in direct email communication with Josie. Did you tell her you were going to post her private email and ask her permission? Did you request that she post her business practices?")

not quite. my email address that is hooked up with wacco is one of my secondary ones, I rarely check it, too much spam
I never had an email exchange with her.

("As I stated earlier, both positive and negative experiences are welcome here. The posting of positive experience should be either unsolicited or disclosed if they are solicited, and especially if there is any quid pro quo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo) involved. (Sure is a lot of Latin floating around here lately!) Negative experience should be validated and presented respectfully.")

thay means that + or - are not equal.
if somebody says to me: he's good and reliable', I would call that person.
if they say: he is good if you can get him to return your call', I would look for somebody else first. how about you, Barry?
therefore why is positive feedback not subjected to the same standards...
remember, all I wrote about was not retuning phonecalls, and I agree maybe I should have narrowed it down to; MY phonecalls.
simple and objective

[ThePhiant]

Dear Josie,

thank you for explaining yourself!
Unfortunately this is not about WHAT you post but what YOU DO with the result of your post.
your email to the group I must have missed, I apoligise for that.(I still can't find it)
your personal emails, I never read. except the 'infamous one'
I called you, I did not email you. the Wacco email address is one I rarely use. but as far as I can tell from this post I don't think I have missed much.
but I will look for them and NOT make them public (OK Barry?)
and it was more than 1 call, sorry
it was 2


Dear Waccoites-This has all come about because of (to the best of my
knowledge) ONE unreturned call to ThePhiant. That's it.

When I post my ad I will post it in the manner I see fit and not to satisfly
someone else's requirements. If a prospective client doesn't want to avail themselves of my services because of the way I post that is their business.

When I explained via personal email (and to the group) how it is with
unreturned calls when one is a houseclaner then ThePhiant complained that
I should have stated that earlier. No pleasing some people, I guess.

I have sent 4 personal emails to ThePhiant and not heard back from he/her.

Once again-It was (to the best of my knowledge) ONE unreturned call.


Josie Ortez

[ThePhiant]

Dear Josie,

thank you for explaining yourself!
Unfortunately this is not about WHAT you post but what YOU DO with the result of your post.
your email to the group I must have missed, I apoligise for that.(I still can't find it)
your personal emails, I never read. except the 'infamous one'
I called you, I did not email you. the Wacco email address is one I rarely use. but as far as I can tell from this post I don't think I have missed much.
but I will look for them and NOT make them public (OK Barry?)
and it was more than 1 call, sorry
it was 2


this is a folow up on the above post.
I did find 3 of Josie post's and they are to put it politely "interesting".
I also forwarded the one, where she actually thanks me for sending the "infamous" one to the group, since it was her intention to do so, to Barry.
that is the one that people called me rude for.........................

I wish her all the best, and the people she works for