*** Lost Pit Bull Puppies 6 mos. old**** Out in Heavy Wooded Terrian Please Help

[caretaker]

:puppy:

Help...................................... SOS SOS

OK everyone I have a situation here,, I responded 2 very lovely people I saw that lost their dogs... they are Pit Bull Puppies they are only 6 months old.. and weigh a total of 50 pounds.. each.. they were last seen chasing a delivery truck down at the end of there driveway.. they live out in very heavy terrain up by Brandscomb, near Laytonville and Legget.. I have been doing everything I can to help them. they have been lost for 2 weeks now.. In trying to find help, I found a helicopter pilot that was nice enough to fly this mountain terrain to see if they could spot them.. he thought it was funny that I contacted him. he had a man last year hire him up in Mendocino county to find his dog. he told him it was a long shot.. and said it was very expensive. the man hired him anyway,, and in flying over the heavily wooded terrian.. the man spotted his dog.. they landed and picked up his dog.. and flew back here.. The helicopter Pilot said it was amazing moment for him... I feel it is worth the chance here. to do this for these pit bull babies.. risk yes, long shot maybe ,, but this is how I get my very wonderful stories... to share.. even if I can come up with half of the donated money,, I think they will be able to do the rest. if not and I can raise half the money,, our friend who has a plane and my spouse will fly up there for gas.. this is going to cost in airplane gas money,, but hoping to raise half at least for helicopter pilot to fly up there.. My spouse said he and his instructor can get 500 feet from the ground.. and with binoculars, see if they can spot the dogs.. even if there held up in someones back yard... Please post cross post for anyone that can make donations on the Pit Bull Puppies Behalf..
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Mary Quinn AllAboard Animal Search and Rescue
P. O. Box 7486
Santa Rosa , Ca. 95407
I know we can raise these funds.........................
[email protected]

[Clancy]

Years ago I was in the Civil Air Patrol. You simply have no idea how hard it is to see even aircraft wreckage from an aircraft flying overhead, let alone dogs that blend in with the background and hide when an aircraft flies low.

In my humble opinion, your money would be far better spent by hiring people to search on the ground, calling for the dogs and listening for barking.

[Dynamique]

Would infra-red equipment, either from the air or on the surface, help find the dogs, esp. at night when there is more differential between the temperatures of the air and the dogs? Hiring aircraft does not seem like cost-effective approach, as Clancy points out.

Also, I hate to be a wet blanket here... but how long can puppies last in the "wild" without an adult dog/dog-pack or source of food and water?


Years ago I was in the Civil Air Patrol. You simply have no idea how hard it is to see even aircraft wreckage from an aircraft flying overhead, let alone dogs that blend in with the background and hide when an aircraft flies low.

In my humble opinion, your money would be far better spent by hiring people to search on the ground, calling for the dogs and listening for barking.

[moonrise]

If a helicopter pilot is willing to fly the area for fuel and another airplane pilot/flight instructor is too, it seems it can't be THAT much of a long shot? Espcially since there has been success with this method up there already, it's been proven. Or maybe that wasn't clear in the initial plea for help? It's not that hard to spot something with white in the dead of winter - unless of course there's snow on the ground.

So an update:
One of the pups was found, dead and floating in a pond (not long); cause of death unknown. For the people who are searching this was a hard blow, not unlike when people are out searching for lost kids, even though they know the odds aren't good. The other pup is still missing.

If anyone can offer something positive towards helping find the other - whether it be alive or not, please do. Thanks

[Clancy]

Infrared equipment will see any animals at night. Any not obscured by trees, and this is a heavily wooded area. Even if you do see an animal, how can you know if it's a deer or an opossum or a bobcat or a dog? How could you then land to investigate?




Would infra-red equipment, either from the air or on the surface, help find the dogs, esp. at night when there is more differential between the temperatures of the air and the dogs? Hiring aircraft does not seem like cost-effective approach, as Clancy points out.

Also, I hate to be a wet blanket here... but how long can puppies last in the "wild" without an adult dog/dog-pack or source of food and water?

[Clancy]

Caretaker didn't say the helicopter pilot is willing to fly for gas only. Helicopters are very expensive. Caretaker said someone with a plane is willing to fly for gas only, but how are you going to see a dog on the ground in a heavily wooded area?

I think a FAR more productive approach is a search on the ground.




If a helicopter pilot is willing to fly the area for fuel and another airplane pilot/flight instructor is too, it seems it can't be THAT much of a long shot? Espcially since there has been success with this method up there already, it's been proven. Or maybe that wasn't clear in the initial plea for help? It's not that hard to spot something with white in the dead of winter - unless of course there's snow on the ground.

So an update:
One of the pups was found, dead and floating in a pond (not long); cause of death unknown. For the people who are searching this was a hard blow, not unlike when people are out searching for lost kids, even though they know the odds aren't good. The other pup is still missing.

If anyone can offer something positive towards helping find the other - whether it be alive or not, please do. Thanks

[moonrise]

Clancy, you ask How are you going to see a dog on the ground? I'm asking have you ever tried to do this or just going by what you think would be the case? Do you really think after almost 2 weeks people haven't ALREADY been searching extensively on ground? (they had been).

You were in the civil air patrol and I'm sure you helped people. Were you successful in every mission you ever flew for them? Did the failures mean you stop trying? Or the successes mean you keep trying? I know there'd be no naysayers if this was a 30 lb toddler lost. Do you know search and rescue flights looking for lost dogs have recovered many? There is a recent story in Idaho about two pups that were lost because a truck hit the car they were riding in and their owners were badly injured. Those pups were out in the woods there for 13 days with people looking on foot and horseback. It was an airplane pilot who spotted them so rescuers could zero in. That's just one of quite a lot of recent success stories. Maybe you don't keep up on these kind of things, but it doesn't mean they aren't happening.

The helicopter pilot mentioned earlier was turned into a believer because he had similar happen to him last year and learned it's possible. In the same area even. What I know of the story is a guy lost his dog and looked and had his friends looking and in desperation contacted this pilot. The pilot tried to talk him out of it - it's expensive (hourly rate plus fuel) and impossible and so on. But the dog owner insisted and pleaded and would pay his price, so the pilot took him up to look. And low and behold they found that dog. This is why that pilot flew for fuel - he saw with his own eyes that it's possible.

When you were in the civil air patrol dif you ever fly a mission looking for a lost dog? People yes, but a dog? Honestly would they want to waste their time on looking for a dog and just brush it off as improbable? There are some pilots who would think so. But there are more and more who are believers because they've seen it happen. That helicopter pilot is one. The airplane pilot is another. If someone pays for fuel, they'll give it a shot because the success stories tell them it's possible. As you know, that's a pretty generous offer to fly for fuel only because there's time and maintenance costs into every hour of flight time.


Sometimes it's only hope and luck and a chance that get us to try things that seem improbable. But without trying, how would we ever succeed, at anything?

Dorothy






Caretaker didn't say the helicopter pilot is willing to fly for gas only. Helicopters are very expensive. Caretaker said someone with a plane is willing to fly for gas only, but how are you going to see a dog on the ground in a heavily wooded area?

I think a FAR more productive approach is a search on the ground.

[Clancy]

I don't have to try to know I can't see a dog on the ground in heavily wooded terrain from the air.

You can't even see the ground in heavily wooded terrain from the air.


Clancy, you ask How are you going to see a dog on the ground? I'm asking have you ever tried to do this or just going by what you think would be the case? Do you really think after almost 2 weeks people haven't ALREADY been searching extensively on ground? (they had been).
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[caretaker]

This is the Caretaker I forgot to mention,, that infared consideration yes would have been difficult because of so much wildlife, but might have worked because you would see 2 little red infareds running together, so you might have been able to pick them up but it is a different story know,, I only hope the one is found so maybe they can heal from this.. but also I know from having 2 sibling dogs,, they almost always stay together and do not separate.. but miracles happen right???? We can hold on to a miracle.. And I am praying hard for one.. Animals are just amazing I have a deaf dog here at my house that I am co-rescuing with another couple,, 20 mins before the earth quake hit this morning he started to howl.. they have great senses and can till this day amaze me.
The Caretaker Once Again.:puppy:




Clancy, you ask How are you going to see a dog on the ground? I'm asking have you ever tried to do this or just going by what you think would be the case? Do you really think after almost 2 weeks people haven't ALREADY been searching extensively on ground? (they had been).

You were in the civil air patrol and I'm sure you helped people. Were you successful in every mission you ever flew for them? Did the failures mean you stop trying? Or the successes mean you keep trying? I know there'd be no naysayers if this was a 30 lb toddler lost. Do you know search and rescue flights looking for lost dogs have recovered many? There is a recent story in Idaho about two pups that were lost because a truck hit the car they were riding in and their owners were badly injured. Those pups were out in the woods there for 13 days with people looking on foot and horseback. It was an airplane pilot who spotted them so rescuers could zero in. That's just one of quite a lot of recent success stories. Maybe you don't keep up on these kind of things, but it doesn't mean they aren't happening.

The helicopter pilot mentioned earlier was turned into a believer because he had similar happen to him last year and learned it's possible. In the same area even. What I know of the story is a guy lost his dog and looked and had his friends looking and in desperation contacted this pilot. The pilot tried to talk him out of it - it's expensive (hourly rate plus fuel) and impossible and so on. But the dog owner insisted and pleaded and would pay his price, so the pilot took him up to look. And low and behold they found that dog. This is why that pilot flew for fuel - he saw with his own eyes that it's possible.

When you were in the civil air patrol dif you ever fly a mission looking for a lost dog? People yes, but a dog? Honestly would they want to waste their time on looking for a dog and just brush it off as improbable? There are some pilots who would think so. But there are more and more who are believers because they've seen it happen. That helicopter pilot is one. The airplane pilot is another. If someone pays for fuel, they'll give it a shot because the success stories tell them it's possible. As you know, that's a pretty generous offer to fly for fuel only because there's time and maintenance costs into every hour of flight time.


Sometimes it's only hope and luck and a chance that get us to try things that seem improbable. But without trying, how would we ever succeed, at anything?

Dorothy

[caretaker]

:puppy: Somehow this did not post,, Update on the Pups




This is the Caretaker,,
I would like to thank everyone for there input here,, but would also like to
clarify some things,, first there was a ground search for almost 2 weeks, and
found nothing time was wasting, and freezing temperatures coming, more
than usual,, these kind people, consider there puppies there children, and
were willing to do anything to bring them home,, being that ground search
produced nothing.. I came up with a aerial shot,, I can from home maybe
Clancy doesn't know of the newest technology, I am still learning myself, but
I could see there property from Google earth,, aerial shot,, now knowing
animals better than I know people,, and talking it over with pilots,, this
includes our pilot instructor at the college and our friend who flies, my
spouse still putting in hours and our good friend who runs flight school was
willing to do this for gas.. and also the helicopter pilot,, because he knows
first hand you can find animals from the air.. he was made a believer last
year.. its much harder in a plane to spot,, but also when or if you do spot
from a plane you can get the coordinates and have the ground crew get to
the location,, there is many many spots that you could not get to even with
ATV's.. yes that rugged, but beyond that could see many many bare spots
and clearance,, Now knowing animals , and this weather,, and they were
puppies,, I told them I would forfeit any of my reward money they had up to
put towards gas or for the helipilot,, who also has dogs,, and said he would
do it for gas only.. I have come across some great people in this rescue,,
but yesterday they called me and gave me bad news, the one male puppy 6
months old was found floating in a pound a few miles from home, in the
beginning, I had asked was there anyone on vacation in the neighborhood
was there ponds, or streams.. he said they didn't like the water much, but
indeed enough to get into trouble,, we are still looking for his brother, I am
hoping he is not somewhere in the pond,, but we will still continue to look
and have some faith,, now he might have gone in the water if he had been
chased, or was just playing and got into trouble,, but I had hit both, people
had been on vacation, and there was a pond, which you could have seen
from the air, even from airplane, at 500 ft. with binoculars, time was
wasted, I have alot of faith,, I don't think the worst until I know for sure, I
will continue to have some faith, that maybe his brother is still out there,
dogs run down rivers, just like people will when lost,, take for example the
poor man from San Francisco recently , dogs also run in open areas during
the cold weather, they will stay out in the sun to warm up. they also can
found on the sides of roads eating road kill for something to eat. they are
many things that come into factor from air shots for animals, but they do
work.. We will continue forward to find the other dog. yes sometimes its a
chance life is a chance, but alot of times, It works out just fine and everyone
is happy, They have my deepest sympathy for there loss I cant imagine, my
eyes flowed the whole day,, this one really hit me hard.. but I wont give up
on his brother, what if we gave up and he is still out there . for us that had
not enough faith.. Until I know for sure, we keep looking, for them it is there
other son..
Thank You for all that wants to participate.. I have taken flight school, my
spouse flies, and our teacher at the college has been trying to help out also,,
but I will have to say, just getting enough for the fuel has been a challenge.
The Caretaker
PS Excuse some spelling errors here [fixed! -Barry], posting very late, and cant seem get spell check to work.. thanks for overlooking that part today..:hmmm:

["Mad" Miles]

"Excuse some spelling errors here [fixed! -Barry]"

Excuse ME, but:

there = location/place

their = possession, i.e. their dog, their house


There really is a reason to use "their" when writing!


Thank you all for your attention in this matter.


Miles Mendenhall (aka "Mad" Miles the mad forwarder of political emails)
also known in this context as "Pedant"

[Barry]

Excuse ME, but:Picky, picky...
My spellchecker missed it. :Embarrass:

[Moon]

Your best chance is on the ground--with trained tracking dogs and their handler; yes, 2 weeks is a long time for a scent to stay clear enough to follow, but at this time of year, at least it's unlikely there would be a lot of human scent trails over the pups'. Put heated distilled water in a thermos, and screw a spray attachment onto the top. Spray the ground in a semicircle ahead of the last place the dogs detected the scent, to bring up the scent for them to catch. Also see https://www.lostapet.org for further ideas, e.g.: keep a bowl of puppy chow out, put clothing with your scent on it around, etc.
If you do fly, i recommend a product called "Earplanes" to protect your ears in the quick changes of air pressure. You might also want to pop a dramamine before you take off, since you'll be looking in a different direction from the one in which you're moving. My best wishes to the pup and humans.