I can re-call being 5 or 6 years old when watching "E.T., Star Wars, Superman, Planet of the Apes". Life was soooo magical and as a child, I had faith /belief that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING as possible!
I remember running to the window after watching one of these shows, looking out..and seeing this magnificent piece of artwork this GREAT ARTIST had done. I looked at the blue sky, all the colors of life and beauty and wondered..."who-ever made all this beauty must be one incredible being or artist!!" ( my parents were not religious..so i was not exposed to the word or meaning of God until around 10)
But I too believe part of " The Secret" is being here NOW and finding simple joys in all the pleasures, wonders, amazing beauty LIFE has to offer.
In these times..anything is possible! New planets, new ideas, new thought patterns, and there is OPEN-NESS!
Opening of consciousness that is!
Regardless whether I agree with all that is presented in the movie "The Secret" (i already was aware of much that was in the movie..though WHAT THE BLEEP had more of an affect on me),
it has reached mainstream! whether on OPERA or Bill Maher or CNN.
And Birmingham Alabama just opened up a WHOLE FOODS!!
so..consciousness IS OPENING and AWAKENING!
Let us all continue to take time to enjoy being alive and feed ourselves healthy higher vibrations! Regardless of how we get there!!
:heart:
Clancy, I completely agree with all of this, and that's why I don't think we need to believe the claptrap fairy tales offered by religion to be filled with wonder and joy. All we have to do is look up, look down, look around.
What are the odds that things should have been as they are? How beautiful it is! How rich and diverse and strange and exciting, a Universe filled with black holes and nebulae and dark energy and seahorses and slime molds and beehives and oaks shaking their leaves in the spring. Comets, auroras, bioluminescent jellyfish, waterfalls, painted deserts. Chocolate and wine. Sex and sunsets and sarsaparilla. Art. Armadillos. Asparagus. Tarantulas. Snow. Coral. Flamingos.
We don't need to play let's-pretend-we're-immortal to know the wonder of All This. We don't need to put our heads in the sand and spin lies in the face of the oncoming train of Death. We're here, in this extraordinary place, and maybe tomorrow we'll die. Look up to the Moon, down to the blade of grass. Catch a rainbow in a handful of beveled-glass light. Breathe the night filled with spring flowers. Dance. Cry a little. Run your life-roughened hands all over your body.
You're alive. No lies, now.
Live!
decterlove
05-24-2007, 02:52 PM
Well Jeez, I better snag a real job pretty damn soon or I'm likely to be arrested for Cyber-loitering...the following is an extract of commentary from the first page of the Secret postings...please forgive my lack of credited to whom said whom and what said whatever and my license at shortening some of the comments. I'm really not trying to step on anybody's toes here but I am a relative newbie to Wacco and I wanted just for my own sake to create a brief synopsis (yeah right!) of what was really said on this post. I figured it somebody else might be interested in an "outline" of sorts as well. I won't do it again...I promise! Like I said I better get some real work coming in pretty damn soon...gotta an interview next Wednesday at least! Chow!
"It was infantile since in the video The Secret was used solely to satisfy infantile desires: the breathtaking necklace, the fast car, the stunning partner. Maybe those who hold The "Secret can ask for World Peace next
time, or some other urgent collective good?"
"The flashy parts of the movie may deal with material things, but I feel the bulk of the movie is about bringing life into balance. We can do counseling, therapy,and on and on, which is all good, but in the end we have to allow our good to manifest through us. This process is helped and speeded up by applying the principles in The Secret."
"This kind of thing just reinforces my belief that most of what gets called "spirituality" is money-grubbing, self-serving infantile BS. The more displays of such "spirituality" I see, the happier I am to be a rationalistic, skeptical atheist."
"I too perceive much marketing and hype in the spiritual component of the mass media stream we are all subject too, here on wacco as well as in other venues. Yet, I can imagine that even the rev. billy graham and other
televangelists provide a real value to those who are touched by their diatribes.
"I tend to think that there is an element of luck involved: meeting with the right crisis that takes courage to confront, and that sets one on a path of singing since there is no alternative anymore."
"I also met the right crisis, way back when I was eleven years old. And somehow over the next few years I was able to see my personal pain in a bigger, almost cosmic context. Looking back at it there seems to have been no rational ground for this, almost like being touched by grace."
"I find that that Americans--particularly those raised in an affluent context--are especially prone to this kind of delusional seeking. In my experience, most people from other societies have a far less "epic" sense of
themselves and their lives, and are therefore less resentful and disappointed, and less prone to chase castles in the air which they believe will make their lives a perfect dream."
"Strange to say, people are buying it. Therapists tell me they're starting to see clients who are headed for real trouble, immersing themselves in a dream world in which good things just come. The therapists obviously
ought to visualize smarter clients. My sister says I'm over-intellectualizing. She, after all, had manifested a fine leather satchel. And I have to admit, if there were designer leather goods to be had out of this, I was interested."
"While I'm all for healthy skepticism, I think we may be throwing the baby out with the bath water. From what I gather, the 'secret' isn't that you just believe and whatever you want is automatically gifted to you, it's
that you affirm and allow for the possibility of what you want and thus it's far more likely to happen than otherwise, but you still have to try."
"This is not my idea of spirituality, infact it is almost the opposite. Greed is not spiritual. One of the most spiritual activities is to live in a way that leaves plenty left over for other people, animals, and plants."
"I do see a neutral ground. I learned thirty years ago that I was more likely to find what I was looking for, than what I'm not looking for. If that is all the "Secret" means, then cool. Much of the Social Theory / Political Philosophy that I devoted my twenties and early thirties to were schools of thought that primarily engaged in the critique of what was often called "Western Reason". So Reason as the be all and end all of "proper" thinking is a highly contested ground."
"What people do is rarely determined by what is "reasonable". Self-interest, habit, preconceived modes of thinking and acting handed down from previous generations, in short the irrational, have as much, if not more,
to do with human behaviour as any semblance of rational thought. That understanding is the beginning of rational discourse about the social and personal."
"The Secret isn't spiritual, it's New Age greed. Spiritual teachings are about letting go/surrender/renouncing greed and hatred. This twisted metaphysical teaching doesn't recognize that happiness does not come from getting everything we want. It comes from a balanced acceptance of all life's ups and downs, not allowing difficulties to totally overwhelm us or joys to make us arrogant and overly exhuberant."
"The Secret isn't spiritual, it's new age greed."
"There are two issues here that are being collapsed: The "technology" of manifestation AND What you choose to do with it.
Regarding the technology of manifestation, I think it's on the money, as it were. Sure, it's not precise, "do exactly this and exactly that happens, every time" or maybe it is... The do "exactly this" is the tricky part.
The Secret stacks the deck for something to manifest."
"I'm thinking the "Secret" would be useful for people who have suffered from believing parents, teachers or society who told them they're not smart enough, good enough, motivated enough or spiritual enough to flourish
in this life, and that there's something spiritual about suffering."
"I don't see the universe giving or taking anything from us. To use Biblical language, everyone "reaps what they sow." Our thoughts become words and our words become deeds. We can stop/let go of negative self talk that
often comes from deeply held unconscious habits and beliefs whether these are conscious, unconscious or semi-conscious. We can make a choice to live ethically without harming ourselves or others. Whatever energy we
give out to the world via thought, word and actio comes back to us when the conditions are right for that cause of ripen."
"Who invented "Live simply so that others may simply live?" Is it true? Is that part of The Secret? Or antithetical to The Secret? Is this a universe of unlimited abundance, or is there a limited supply that we
have to protect by denying ourselves our "greed?" Bill Gates has made many billions of dollars. Is he greedy, selfish, non-spiritual? He is using the money, and attracting other money like his, to change the face of
disease and death among children in Africa and other places. Does the universe judge or congratulate him? I would suggest that his ability to amass fortunes has contributed to the abundance of others in incalculable
ways."
"I find the best answer to those that see the show as having something to do with greed, or being simplistic or infantile is to see the results this movie has in real people's lives; the way it gives some people a big "aha" about their lives therefore a new perspective and ability to make new choices and move forward from where they were stuck."
"I saw the movie again last night with a group and one person I talked to said she saw the movie last year and took the advice she heard from Bob Proctor; she consolidated her debt into a loan that is automatically paid
each month so she no longer thinks about the debt, and focuses on her freedom to create not only a debt-free life, but life with the freedom she desires."
"My big problem with LOA and similar belief systems is that the reasonable conclusion, based on the claims of these systems, is that anyone who is suffering in any way, is poor, is oppressed, basically anyone whose life
is fucked, has simply not thought long and hard enough to escape their suffering, and "manifest" a better life for themselves."
"Essentially the Practico-Inert is everything around you that you cannot control, by your thinking, your perception, your actions. You can't turn a rock into a loaf of bread, no matter how hard you concentrate. And
please don't tell me that if you break that rock up, fertilize and water the resulting soil and grow some wheat in it, etc. you can turn that rock into bread. Yeah, in that way you can but it takes more than just "intention" to commit that miracle."
"Other examples of the Practico-Inert are: Fixed social roles that stubbornly refuse to change, even with generations of effort to transform them. Social roles such as: Master/Slave, Male/Female, Insider/Outsider, Self/Other. We seem to be able to reinterpret them, mess with them, and rail against them, but so far they haven't gone away."
"Nowhere I have experienced does LoA state that "Intention" is all it will take. Intention is the starting place, the seed, the fuel and drive behind action, it is action which will create and manifest (by hand!), and
inspired action will arise from clearly stated intent. This process will result in a measurable effect on the world around us, whether it be bread or wealth, it will be there."
"The "other" aspects of Practico-inert seem to be more along the lines of agreements, albeit unconscious or unchosen ones. True, some slaves and those born into poor circumstance may not even be aware of the agreements they have made, or that were more likely made for them, but agreements they are nonetheless. The observed permanence of these agreements has more to do with their momentum and social inertia than with any inherent or intrinsic property they might possess. It is purely through intent and conscious action that we have dented these edifices, shaking some to their very cores, and by continued intent and awareness shall we rise above the shackles of thought they embody."
"But LOA as I evidently superficially understand it seems to be more of a form of "Magical Thinking". If I think hard enough, long enough, passionately enough, that mental effort will "in and of itself" affect/effect a physical material change in the world outside (of my mental processes). Been there, done that, doesn't work. At least for me. Or am I simply not sufficiently enlightened?"
"One that I haven't mentioned is the 60's counterculture split between the activists who were focused on stopping the Vietnam War (and other issues of social justice) and the beginning of what came to be called "New Age" when syncretic borrowings from Hinduism and Buddhism began to attract practitioners who withdrew from the outside world. There were some who tried doing both. Reclaiming is an Anarcho/Pagan effort to combine Earth
focused spirituality with political activism. But that didn't start until the eighties. I think that split was a huge mistake. I think it helped deflate the movement for positive social change. And I've lived, as an activist, with the frustrating consequences that followed."
"There's a big wide wild world out there where no matter how hard you concentrate, no matter how hard you try to put your dreams and desires into action, you're living in a world constrained by forces completely outside
your control and to the extent that those forces are conscious at all, they don't give a shit about you. Unless you can be exploited for a profit."
"Many of these agreements in how to behave, how to act, how to relate to others are instilled at a pre-verbal age, let alone an age capable of entering into an agreement with the logical and rational reasoning we as adults would bring to the process. These mores are instilled so deeply that we oft times refer to them as core values, and treat them as absolutes, as I feel you have done by referencing them in your description of the Practico-inert. I'd like to propose a redefinition of them as "Impractico-momenti", ingrained, often outmoded agreements ingrained by the social momentum of our particular society."
"The efforts you make on behalf of your beliefs, the lengths you move against the tide of passivity are laudable. I thank you for your work, and recognize it's value. I also am a bit confused with the relation your
activism has to the LoA, the Secret, and the like. Pondering this thought, I can only conclude that in your mind, you hold an idea, an idea(L) of a better world, one where equality and justice hold greater sway in the
day to day machinations of us naked apes. By holding this idea, and concentrating on it's ramifications, it's potential, and even more viscerally it's feel, you seem to be moved to inspired action, that of attending
Lynne's presentation, posting your conclusions, affecting (significantly and instrumentally) the thoughts of and therefore the nature of the community around you. In short, you are using "the Secret", you are manifesting that which you desire through diligent application of the Laws of Attraction, you are potent!"
"Hello...Without going back into great detail, again: quantum mechanics do not apply beyond the quantum scale. The experiments described in Newsweek do not in any way indicate that thought or consciousness have any impact on physical reality at our scale--merely in OUR ABILITY TO PERCEIVE physical reality AT THE QUANTUM SCALE, which is quite a different thing. At the quantum scale, "what is real" may be generally said to be far less definitive. Things have a certain probability of being one way or another, and which way they are can be crystallized by the act of trying to look at them.
That's true of a quark--it is not true of a toaster oven. We may be able to create technology which uses the nature of quantum-scale phenomena to transfer information at great distance, but that in no way means that such a process can occur naturally through the physical activity of our brains, the experiential perception of which is commonly referred to as our "minds", "souls", and/or "consciousnesses"."
"The only miracle, the impossible miracle (or secret) is to be just ordinary. The longing of the mind is to be extraordinary. The minds ego thirsts for recognition. And THIS is the miracle - when you accept your nobodyness, when you can be just as ordinary as anybody else, when you don't ask for recognition, when you can exist as if you are not existing. Power is never spiritual."
"There's still the mystery... What about our soul? What is really going on here? What about this thing called life? All the electrochemical reactions are still possible after the moment of death as before it. Whatever "life" really is, it has many dimensions that we have not begun to understand scientifically, and we may never fully understand, including the mysterious spark behind it all that I'll call divinity."
That's if folks for page one...I ended on a slightly pro-Secret note as that is where my persuasions lie..however there certainly was a great deal of solid observations to the contrary in this fascinating cyberconversation. Part II will NOT be coming to your local theatres next week so injest what you can and throw the rest in the recycling bin. Caio! Namaste! Quark! whatever....
Zeno Swijtink
10-25-2007, 11:38 AM
A new study relevant to the power of positive thinking will be published in the Dec. 1 issue of the American Cancer Society (ACS) journal Cancer.
According to the results of this study, "in people treated for head and neck cancer, the emotional state of patients was found to have no influence on survival."
I think this is good news, esp. for those patients who find it difficult to sustain a "positive, upbeat, attitude."
Attitude Doesn't Affect Cancer Survival: Study
SALYNN BOYLES and LOUISE CHANG, MD - WebMD
Thanks to Judy Tart.
Having a positive attitude may help cancer patients deal with their disease, but it doesn't directly affect survival, according to one of the largest and most rigorously designed investigations ever to examine the issue.
The study included more than 1,000 people treated for head and neck cancer; the emotional state of patients was found to have no influence on survival.
The findings add to the growing evidence showing no scientific basis for the popular notion that an upbeat attitude is critical for "beating" cancer, says University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine behavioral scientist James C. Coyne, PhD, who led the study team.
"I wish it were true that cancer survival was influenced by the patient's emotional state," he tells WebMD. "But given that it is not, I think we should stop blaming the patient."
'The Tyranny of Positive Thinking'
Jimmie Holland, MD, agrees. The Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center psychiatrist is a longtime critic of the "mind over cancer" proponents who tell patients they must stay positive to survive their disease.
In her book The Human Side of Cancer, Living with Hope, Coping with Uncertainty, Holland coined the term "the tyranny of positive thinking" to describe the belief.
"The idea that we can control illness and death with our minds appeals to our deepest yearnings, but it just isn't so," she tells WebMD. "It is so sad that cancer patients are made to believe that if they aren't doing well it is somehow their own fault because they aren't positive enough."
Holland does acknowledge the benefits of staying positive during cancer treatment, and she is an advocate of techniques like relaxation, meditation, support groups, and prayer to help patients cope with their disease.
But she says there is no credible evidence that positive thinking alone directly influences tumor growth.
"People really want to believe this, so even very good studies like this one probably won't change public thinking," she says. "But the scientific community is getting the message."
Attitude and Cancer Survival
The newly published study included 1,093 patients with head and neck cancer who completed quality-of-life questionnaires during their treatment.
Coyne says the study group was limited to patients with a single cancer who had similar treatments to better assess the impact of state of mind on survival.
A total of 646 patients died during the study follow-up. Even after acounting for other variables that could affect survival, a patient's emotional state was found to have no bearing on whether or not he or she lived or died.
The study appears in the Dec. 1 issue of the American Cancer Society (ACS) journal Cancer.
In a separate review of other studies published earlier this year, Coyne, University of Pennsylvania colleague Steven Palmer, PhD, and ACS researcher Michael Stefanek, PhD, found insufficient evidence that participation in psychotherapy or cancer support groups plays a role in survival.
In that report, the researchers concluded that the hope that emotional state is a driving factor in cancer outcomes "appears to have been misplaced."
"If cancer patients want psychotherapy or to be in a support group, they should be given the opportunity to do so," they wrote in the journal Psychological Bulletin. "There can be lots of emotional and social benefits. But [patients] should not seek such experiences solely on the expectation that they are extending their lives."
ChristineL
10-26-2007, 02:08 PM
Maybe the perceptions of "The Secret" are more about the people watching it than about the concept itself. If you just study all the "magical" weight loss products out there and all those who actually try them, you get the idea. Visualizing yourself thin or taking some magic pill while sitting around on the sofa watching the tube and eating chips and dip is certainly not going to make you thin and fit. On the other hand, visualizing your goal, focusing on it and not letting all the negative comments, along with all the "you can'ts" probably heard for years influence you, will make it much easier to sit less, eat less and exercise.
If you believe you can't find a compatible mate, you won't. Your attitude will be felt by those you'd like to attract, and they won't go there. On the other hand...if you visualize your perfect match while sitting on the sofa doing nothing...well...there's very little likelihood he/she is the mail carrier, meter reader or UPS person. If you have no visualization or clarity about what you need and want in a mate and go looking...the divorce rate and the number of bad relationships out there says it all...
As for this whole "greed" discussion...We can visualize preserving land, developing new environmentally friendly energy sources, providing more services, as well as condemn those who have a lot...but...if no one is making the money to donate or invest...it's not going to happen. Any new idea or invention starts with someone's visualization and someone's ability to invest.
There is no United Way, Habitat for Humanity, etc., etc., if no one is making more money than they need. My town would not still have a for real free clinic if some people where not making more than they "need".
I agree with one posting which stated that greed was a term often used to make others feel guilty about having more money than they "need". If no-one buys the art, the artist doesn't make a living, if no one eats out the restaurant owner has no business and the employees have no jobs. If no one spends money taking vacations...resorts and their employees don't make a living...and so on...
I personally got over that guilt trip...and thus started visualizing and focusing on making more money (and, yes, doing more than sitting around "manifesting") by deciding who I wanted to support when I did have a little extra to spend. If I can stop for "Latte", I go to the local coffee shop which not only serves organic shade grown fair trade coffee, but treats their employees well. The only business of its kind I've come across that actually provides health insurance. I don't support WalMart, which to me creates their own clientelle by paying so badly. I go for a reasonably priced salad, burger or turkey sandwich at the "Garden Grille" which is family owned, grills their own meats, serves locally grown produce whenever possible, makes their own salad dressings, etc. Anyway...you get the idea.
It is also true that no amount of "visualization" and/or work, for that matter, could turn me into a good singer or a ballerina...I don't have the natural talent. A "belief system" needs to be balanced with "reason and logic". If you're short and "stacked" as I am, no amount of visualization, exercise or dieting is going to make you sylph-like. Fit, solid and in great shape for your body type yes.
If you don't believe you can, no matter how hard you work, you probably won't.
ThePhiant
10-27-2007, 07:52 AM
Zeno,
the following statement contradicts the article
Holland does acknowledge the benefits of staying positive during cancer treatment, and she is an advocate of techniques like relaxation, meditation, support groups, and prayer to help patients cope with their disease.
A new study relevant to the power of positive thinking will be published in the Dec. 1 issue of the American Cancer Society (ACS) journal Cancer.
According to the results of this study, "in people treated for head and neck cancer, the emotional state of patients was found to have no influence on survival."
I think this is good news, esp. for those patients who find it difficult to sustain a "positive, upbeat, attitude."
Zeno,
the following statement contradicts the article: "Holland does acknowledge the benefits of staying positive during cancer treatment, and she is an advocate of techniques like relaxation, meditation, support groups, and prayer to help patients cope with their disease."
It doesn't contradict the article!
According to this article, staying positive during treatment may give you a better quality of life during treatment but it does not make the treatment more likely to be successful.
nicofrog
11-09-2007, 02:17 PM
Maybe If enough people "get it" world peace can be achieved!
YO Septics,know this,that the "secret crap"is not about thinking or all your philosophy god or no god rap..or intelligence (thanks spell check) etc.
It's located in the FEELING part of your being,may be why it's threatening
to some of us old world crusty males!
Spirituality is how we get in touch
Religion is crowd control
If you see the "secret" as Religion, it sucks, if you feel it in your spiritual
heartspace you VERY OFTEN get the parking space! Try it before you knock it , if nothing else ,you'll probably get laid more often!
spirit is not about getting our ya ya's it's about accepting a mystery thats Vast and hopefully will remain mostly incomprehensible(no I couldn't spell it spell check again)We are not the biggest kids on the block,if you ask me we need more bears ,tigers and lions around. AND I did Womanifest this computer, and the lovely woman who owns it , and all other manor of AMAZING things like food when I'm Hungry,and Sleep when I'm tired.I'm with you guys..
ask an Iraqi woman who's kids have been blasted about manifesting her retirement!
and yet in a world where 5% control the rest,
and in 1998 1% of the world had any kind of college edu.
meaning now It's about.08% (population growth )
and California has almost completed one new university in in the time it took to build 51 prisons
we can only hope to do our best,and leave something behind
thats real, and says We Tried!
here's my favorite spiritual quote
""I asked spirit to spare me suffering ,spirit said
"No"Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and closer
to me"
I asked spirit to give me happiness
Spirit said "No"
I give you blessings,Happiness is up to you
I asked spirit to help me love others as much as
spirit loves me, spirit said
"ah now you get it!"
the purpose of all this spiritual b.s.,is not to fix us up and make us whole,we got to be here,thats enough, It's to help us find and feel the love that is there, if we share it.If you stay there hid behind a mostly gray screen it ain't gonna hop out and get you no matter How hard you think.
and no amount of handbags and new Caddys are going to make you feel better if cancer is diagnosed ! Come on down to love choir and get your groove on! you will man or womanafest a twinkle in the eye just in time for the holidays !
I went to Center for spiritual living they had Bellydancers! yeah! thats spiritual enough for me!
betcha I get a parkin' place closer than you!
Love is a wonderful thing!
Nico
I watched this movie recently and thought it was infantile
Not so much since a silly metaphysical superstructure is given to the simple truth that a happy and open-minded person is more attractive and relaxed, and less likely to trip over a banana peel and make a fool of himself. (Yes, quantum theory is evoked again to make the audience swoon.)
It was infantile since in the video The Secret was used solely to satisfy infantile desires: the breathtaking necklace, the fast car, the stunning partner. All material and private desires.
Maybe those who hold The Secret can ask for World Peace next time, or some other urgent collective good?
Thanks!
Melodymama
11-10-2007, 11:24 AM
While I agree that the movie did focus a bit too much on the "stuff", the underlying agenda is believing that all is possible and that one has the capacity to bring a positive, creatively curious attitude to any situation and visualize goals into manifestation. First, we need to take off the blinders that have old roots of pessimism and powerlessness in our minds. As we see more of what is good and possible around us, we appreicate the abundance of opportunity, love, and, yes, stuff, that can ease our lives in ways we never have considered. To think we know "how the world works" is to deify the teachings we have been subject to, and, gosh, there is SO MUCH more. We do not have to know the more, but to acknowledge an "as yet undefined understanding", and to get curious and manifest new results is amazing. Also, I think I understand Nicofrog's bit about spelling, and it is that if you are wanting to sound intelligent and authoritative, some of us just like proper spelling and language use. It is old fashioned and a blinder that I am working on. It is wonderful that so many people are wonder what the Secret is, and it is also wonderful that the real secret is there in everyone who opens to the positive, possible, creativity of love and gratitude As we all begin to see that more, we will increase the abundance of it. Yes, Nicofrog, world peace can be achieved and it will happen as we all respect and believe in the potential of all. As usual, irritatingly so, it has to begin within ourselves first. Laura
Maybe If enough people "get it" world peace can be achieved!
YO Septics,know this,that the "secret crap"is not about thinking or all your philosophy god or no god rap..or intelligence (thanks spell check) etc.
It's located in the FEELING part of your being,may be why it's threatening
to some of us old world crusty males!
Spirituality is how we get in touch
Religion is crowd control
If you see the "secret" as Religion, it sucks, if you feel it in your spiritual
heartspace you VERY OFTEN get the parking space! Try it before you knock it , if nothing else ,you'll probably get laid more often!
spirit is not about getting our ya ya's it's about accepting a mystery thats Vast and hopefully will remain mostly incomprehensible(no I couldn't spell it spell check again)We are not the biggest kids on the block,if you ask me we need more bears ,tigers and lions around. AND I did Womanifest this computer, and the lovely woman who owns it , and all other manor of AMAZING things like food when I'm Hungry,and Sleep when I'm tired.I'm with you guys..
ask an Iraqi woman who's kids have been blasted about manifesting her retirement!
and yet in a world where 5% control the rest,
and in 1998 1% of the world had any kind of college edu.
meaning now It's about.08% (population growth )
and California has almost completed one new university in in the time it took to build 51 prisons
we can only hope to do our best,and leave something behind
thats real, and says We Tried!
here's my favorite spiritual quote
""I asked spirit to spare me suffering ,spirit said
"No"Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and closer
to me"
I asked spirit to give me happiness
Spirit said "No"
I give you blessings,Happiness is up to you
I asked spirit to help me love others as much as
spirit loves me, spirit said
"ah now you get it!"
the purpose of all this spiritual b.s.,is not to fix us up and make us whole,we got to be here,thats enough, It's to help us find and feel the love that is there, if we share it.If you stay there hid behind a mostly gray screen it ain't gonna hop out and get you no matter How hard you think.
and no amount of handbags and new Caddys are going to make you feel better if cancer is diagnosed ! Come on down to love choir and get your groove on! you will man or womanafest a twinkle in the eye just in time for the holidays !
I went to Center for spiritual living they had Bellydancers! yeah! thats spiritual enough for me!
betcha I get a parkin' place closer than you!
Love is a wonderful thing!
Nico