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joyfulliving
11-16-2006, 11:49 PM
OK OK--I mean this playfully...--You are probably waiting for one last final statement from me: I had to repeat what Walt said: Only one comment I have to add--What does the "IRS" stand for? I'm Really Stupid. How about us all? "WRS" Yes you guessed it "We're REALLY Stupid" for believing in this lie. Like swine led off the cliff....Glad for Walter and his wisdom and knowledge. Yes I know that this might "feel" harsh, but remember that those income tax fees don't feel very sweet either. Especially when they (the IRS) does not even define "income".
If you want to contribute something meaningful in these postings we will be happy to address that. Otherwise we will consider your input as sheer nonsense. I know Barry, you want information about Constitutional Law on the WACCO talk part, but I want people to know about an EVENT here on this posting as well.
This Friday, Saturday, and Sunday come and HEAR WALTER TALK. You can experience firsthand a man who knows the "ropes" in regard to keeping your legal and lawful rights. Call 887-8129 to get information on it. Otherwise check out his website at: https://wwwukeepallrights.com or get involved on his lawfulremedies yahoo group.
Feeling attacked? persecuted? overwhelmed by abusive codes or ordinances? overtaxed? or are your children being taken away from you? or other such things? Help is here....

Hard Evidence That Form 1040
Has NO Legal Basis In Law

IRS Withdraws Criminal Allegation,
Tax Convict Walks Free

Although the People's war against the income tax fraud and IRS abuse has been lengthy and daunting and has left many freedom fighters across our nation battered and bankrupt, there are continuing signs that the tide of tyranny may finally be meeting effective resistance.

On April 12<sup>th</sup> 2005, William Wallace Lear of Muskegon Michigan appeared in federal District Court in Grand Rapids to face IRS charges claiming Lear had violated the terms of his probation. William Lear had served one year in a federal detention facility in <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Minnesota</st1:place></st1:state> following his conviction in 2002 for Willful Failure to File income tax returns (a misdemeanor). His probation began in March, 2004.

The basis for the probation violation hearing was an IRS claim that Lear failed to abide by the strict terms of his probation which included the requirement that he file all his delinquent tax returns and pay all back taxes and penalties owed.

Just as the hearing before Judge Gordon Quist began, the DOJ attorneys moved to dismiss the IRS's probation violation claim against Lear that would have sent him back to prison.

Although Lear had filed his missing returns signing them “under duress” (which IRS does not allow) and failed to pay the taxes owing on those returns, Judge Quist signed an order, completely releasing Lear from federal custody. As of April 12th, Lear has been a free man.

An important question remains: Why? Why would the IRS and DOJ walk away from a golden opportunity to make headlines and send a convicted tax protester back to prison?

Before answering the question, let’s review some of the key developments leading up to the April 12, 2005 probation violation hearing.

After serving his 1-year sentence and after his return to his home in <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Michigan</st1:place></st1:state> to fulfill his probation, Bill Lear and his wife Rose “dug back in” and continued to review the extensive body of legal research that had originally caused Bill Lear not to file.

During the summer of 2004, they constructed a “Challenge of Authority” document relying on legal material from various sources including comprehensive research posted by WTP in May 2004 (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update04-May-10.htm) and that has since been sent repeatedly by the Foundation (and others) to various officials of the U.S. government, including the President's current Advisory Panel on Federal Tax reform (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-02-12.htm).

This research conclusively documents that IRS has no legal authority to impose taxes on the wages and salaries of ordinary Americans. Particularly damaging in the challenge was recently archived documentation from the government itself clearly showing that IRS Form 1040 is a “proposed” information collection form and that there is no legal authority cited for its use.

On October 4, 2004, during a meeting in the offices of their Congressional Representative Peter Hoekstra, the Lears formally served their Challenge of Authority on three IRS agents and engaged in a significant discussion about the limits of their authority. The IRS agents refused to respond to the Challenge of Authority simply stating that it is not the “practice” of IRS to respond to such requests.

What the agents did not know, however, was that two weeks earlier, on September 24th, the Lears had filed the same document as a formal public legal record in their local county courthouse at office of the Registrar of Deeds.

On February 28, 2005, after additional contacts with IRS officials in which Bill Lear repeatedly asked the IRS to provide specific legal guidance to him so he could know which tax form the law required him to fill out, and thereby comply with the terms of his probation, the Lears again confronted the IRS agents in a meeting in Rep. Hoekstra's office.

At that meeting, and after a heated discussion with IRS agents, confronting them with government documents and evidence clearly showing Form 1040 has no authority in law, IRS ended the discussion by telling Lear that the law required him to use “Form 1040” to file his returns.

Frustrated and agitated with the exchange, IRS Agent J. McWilliams stated that Lear “wasn't cooperating with the IRS”, and that Lear was “going back to prison.”

On March 2, just days before Lear's probation was due to expire, IRS filed a probation violation complaint with the federal probation office. Lear was promptly served Notice of the hearing that could send him back to prison.

On March 4, the Lears filed a Habeas Corpus regarding the original conviction.

On March 9, Lear filed a pleading answering the alleged violation (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Lear/ProbViolationLearResp.PDF) of probation.

On March 10, Lear also decided to “hedge his bet” and filed the delinquent tax returns, but signed the tax forms “under duress.”

On March 14, 2005 - Lear appeared before Magistrate Joseph G. Scoville who found cause for the violation and sent the case to Judge Quist for a formal hearing.

It should be noted that IRS routinely rejects tax returns signed “under duress” due to the obvious due process implications related to the use of force, threat of force, or other intimidation to coerce an individual to swear to a statement made under “penalties of perjury.” It should be further noted that although required by the terms of his probation, Lear did not make any payment toward the alleged taxes or penalties due for the returns he was convicted for willfully failing to file.

Finally, on March 21<sup>st</sup>, the Lears filed a Motion to Quash (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Lear/Motion2Quash.PDF) the Release Revocation Hearing. Contained within this motion was the formal “Challenge of Authority (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Lear/ChallengeOfAuthority-9-04.PDF)” document that had been previously recorded in their local county courthouse as a legal public record.

On April 12, Lear and his wife Rose appeared in court for Bill's probation violation hearing.

Instead of publicly confronting the merits of the alleged probation violation and asking the court to send a “recalcitrant tax convict” back to prison, attorneys for the DOJ and IRS withdrew their complaint alleging the probation violation.

WHY?

Because under Rule 902 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, a court cannot deny the admissibility of relevant evidence consisting of certified copies of public legal records as they are presumed to be self-authenticating and valid as evidence.

Here is the text of Rule 902, sub-paragraph (4):

Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:

(4). Certified copies of public records. A copy of an official record or report or entry therein, or of a document authorized by law to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed in a public office, including data compilations in any form, certified as correct by the custodian or other person authorized to make the certification.

In other words, in facing a public criminal hearing where the contents of Lear's “Challenge of Authority” was, without argument, directly relevant to Lear's alleged violation, and knowing the District Court could not deny its admittance as evidence, the DOJ was faced with two unpleasant alternatives: either produce IRS witnesses to explain away government documentation clearly showing IRS Form 1040 is not a legally authorized form, or walk away from the probation violation hearing.

IRS walked.

Rather than take a potential headline-making opportunity to publicly chastise and send back to prison a convicted tax protester who had dared – even after conviction -- to continue questioning the legal authority of the government, the IRS and DOJ instead withdrew their criminal complaint, thereby avoiding having to confront – on the record – the damning evidence contained in Lear's formal Motion to Quash (https://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Lear/Motion2Quash.PDF) and its “Challenge of Authority” exhibit. (Note the legal argument regarding the lack of authority for Individual Form 1040 begins on page 4 of the Motion to Quash.)

By withdrawing the IRS complaint against Lear, DOJ avoided having to publicly attempt to rebut Lear's legal research and having to admit that the government could not cite any legal authority requiring the filing of a 1040 Individual tax return.

On April 25<sup>th</sup>, despite the facts that Lear had filed defective returns signed “under duress” and also failed to pay the taxes and penalties owed for the returns he was convicted for failing to file, Judge Quist signed a formal order completely freeing Bill Lear from the terms of his probation.

The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Cincinnati</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">Ohio</st1:state></st1:place> is currently considering whether to certify Lear's most recent Habeas Corpus motion to vacate his conviction. That motion is also based upon the new legal research contained in his “Challenge of Authority.”


The Hard Evidence That
Form 1040 Has No Legal Authority

In their “Challenge of Authority” document, the Lears provide hard documentary evidence that IRS Form 1040 has NO legal authority.

This evidence was presented by contrasting archived government documents that have been filed pursuant to the federal Administrative Procedures Act (APA) and Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA).

Under the PRA, each and every government form that is used to collect information from the general public under law must be linked to its authorizing statutes and implementing regulations and have a valid Office of Management and Budget “OMB” Form number. This requirement of law provides an orderly means to identify which statutes, regulations and forms are related.

As one item of evidence, the Lears produced a stamped copy of a 1987 Treasury Department document entitled, “Request for OMB Review” which is required by the Paperwork Reduction Act. The request was for IRS Form “1040-NR”, the tax form used by Non-Resident Aliens to report their “income”.


[The rest of this post was removed since this went on way beyond an event announcement and had formatting issues. See the WaccoTalk category for more information and discussion about this - Barry]
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Juggledude
11-17-2006, 10:57 PM
If you want to contribute something meaningful in these postings we will be happy to address that. Otherwise we will consider your input as sheer nonsense.
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Elaine,

Do you define "meaningful" as "agreeing with Walter without question" ?

I have posted a well intended, thoughtful and challenging post in the talk category, in direct response to Walter's inflammatory posts. Have you read it, or does it qualify as "sheer nonsense" in your view? Please, respond, or urge Walt to do so, as anyone as well informed and committed to "truth" as he claims to be should have no problem bringing the light of truth to a public discussion, such as I am trying to engage in right here on the board. His and your continued silence in regard to my posts, and the insinuation that dissenting opinions are "silly" (Walters words) or "nonsense" (Your words) seems very much like the alleged activities of the IRS as put forth in the text below, you'd rather dodge the issue that bring it to the light in an open, challenging debate!

How about the part where I wished you and Jim the best, and shared my experience, and offered my help? Is that also nonsense?

Please, I beseech you, respond!

Alternately I'd be willing to come this weekend and discuss these questions in person at your meetings. Anything to bring more 'truth' into the community, truth that can withstand the scrutiny of our community, 'truth' that can remain true in the face of rational thought.

Royce

joyfulliving
11-18-2006, 09:39 PM
I am surpised that you thought I didn't want to talk about the matters when I posted and invited anyone who wanted to come in the first place to come and spend three days with Walter. Now you say I don't want to involve myself in a discussion with you? If you had come to the first two days you would have had 12 hours by this point (of discussion to get into). BUT you and a number of others on here chose to not attend. Do you want to be apart of this? I appreciate that you shared kind words toward Jim and I--but realize that I have spent 12 hours out of the last day and a half doing the conference, 20 hours doing my prep for it, and another 12 hours taking care of Jim. When would I have the time to sit down and write full responses to everyone? I run a public charity and that takes an incredible amount of time. I am hosting Walter from Oklahoma and I am SUPRISED that more of WACCO folks did not choose to come. I did not focus on WACCO because of the lack of real interest. Those that are attending just came to check it out and came back for more. In fact tonight two hours after the session ended I had to close up "shop" and send everyone home with the thought that tomorrow there is another session...So am I busy? Don't be quickly offended when people can't get back to you right away. Don't take it personally. I think that you honestly would enjoy coming! But it is your choice. 887-8129 OR 829-5466-Did you get enough explanation on here now? Walter is helping with paperwork a man tonight with about a 25 page form and he probably won't be done until the middle of the night. HE is in HIGH demand. You don't know him so you can't judge it, but he thinks that most of the people on WACCO are WACCO. (Don't take it personally --Will you anyway?) You might be sorry if you don't take advantage of his presence here. And no I don't idolize Walter. He is a genius and you are missing a treasure if you don't want to listen to him. No one should agree with any person without question--but with Walter he has the answer to all of my questions in terms of legal issues.
By the way, why do you call yourself Juggledude?



Elaine,

Do you define "meaningful" as "agreeing with Walter without question" ?

I have posted a well intended, thoughtful and challenging post in the talk category, in direct response to Walter's inflammatory posts. Have you read it, or does it qualify as "sheer nonsense" in your view? Please, respond, or urge Walt to do so, as anyone as well informed and committed to "truth" as he claims to be should have no problem bringing the light of truth to a public discussion, such as I am trying to engage in right here on the board. His and your continued silence in regard to my posts, and the insinuation that dissenting opinions are "silly" (Walters words) or "nonsense" (Your words) seems very much like the alleged activities of the IRS as put forth in the text below, you'd rather dodge the issue that bring it to the light in an open, challenging debate!

How about the part where I wished you and Jim the best, and shared my experience, and offered my help? Is that also nonsense?

Please, I beseech you, respond!

Alternately I'd be willing to come this weekend and discuss these questions in person at your meetings. Anything to bring more 'truth' into the community, truth that can withstand the scrutiny of our community, 'truth' that can remain true in the face of rational thought.

Royce

joyfulliving
11-19-2006, 09:54 PM
Royce Where were you to voice the rational part of the larger community today or this weekend should I say? Now I did offer you an invitation to get out in the open ALL of your thoughts about this matter. I can't tell you how many hours now you could have been in incredibly meaningful dialogue with many others who think a LOT about how this country handles legal matters. Sorry you missed your opportunity. HOWEVER, the good news is that on Tuesday night you have another golden opportunity to come and bring all of your buddies for even more meaningful non-inflammatory discussion on this issues. How is that for a good new offer. How about it. For only $25.00 for the evening you can pick away at Walter's brain, be humbled by his wisdom and then the resultant zipping of your lips in awe will be a wonderful sight to see! How about it. Let me know if you want details. He is going to do another evening because of the demand for his rare and wonderful services. Elaine
I beseeeeeeech you to respond --back at ya! I double dare you to attend especially since it will definitely bring more 'truth' into the community, truth that can withstand the scrutiny of our community, and 'truth' that can remain true in the face of rational thought.


Elaine,

Do you define "meaningful" as "agreeing with Walter without question" ?

I have posted a well intended, thoughtful and challenging post in the talk category, in direct response to Walter's inflammatory posts. Have you read it, or does it qualify as "sheer nonsense" in your view? Please, respond, or urge Walt to do so, as anyone as well informed and committed to "truth" as he claims to be should have no problem bringing the light of truth to a public discussion, such as I am trying to engage in right here on the board. His and your continued silence in regard to my posts, and the insinuation that dissenting opinions are "silly" (Walters words) or "nonsense" (Your words) seems very much like the alleged activities of the IRS as put forth in the text below, you'd rather dodge the issue that bring it to the light in an open, challenging debate!

How about the part where I wished you and Jim the best, and shared my experience, and offered my help? Is that also nonsense?

Please, I beseech you, respond!

Alternately I'd be willing to come this weekend and discuss these questions in person at your meetings. Anything to bring more 'truth' into the community, truth that can withstand the scrutiny of our community, 'truth' that can remain true in the face of rational thought.

Royce

Juggledude
11-21-2006, 09:22 AM
Royce Where were you to voice the rational part of the larger community today or this weekend should I say? Now I did offer you an invitation to get out in the open ALL of your thoughts about this matter. I can't tell you how many hours now you could have been in incredibly meaningful dialogue with many others who think a LOT about how this country handles legal matters. Sorry you missed your opportunity. HOWEVER, the good news is that on Tuesday night you have another golden opportunity to come and bring all of your buddies for even more meaningful non-inflammatory discussion on this issues. How is that for a good new offer. How about it. For only $25.00 for the evening you can pick away at Walter's brain, be humbled by his wisdom and then the resultant zipping of your lips in awe will be a wonderful sight to see! How about it. Let me know if you want details. He is going to do another evening because of the demand for his rare and wonderful services. Elaine
I beseeeeeeech you to respond --back at ya! I double dare you to attend especially since it will definitely bring more 'truth' into the community, truth that can withstand the scrutiny of our community, and 'truth' that can remain true in the face of rational thought.

Elaine,

thank you for your generous and sincere invitaion. I did not attend your gathering/discussion this weekend for a many reasons, two of which stand way out in front, so I'll share those. First and foremost, I relate to your expressed schedule, and have a hectic one of my own. There are many things going on in my life at the moment, which take up considerable time, and I am left to prioritize those as there are, unfortunately, only so many hours in a day. Second, and possibly more important, The first impression I got of Walter, through his 9 posts on WaccoBB.net, was one of someone I don't care to be in the presence of, let alone listen to. Respect is earned, and I have none for him. I don't doubt that he has a wealth of factual information, and can feel the strength of his opinion and conviction, yet he chose to express these things in a derogatory, inflammatory, and downright rude manner on the Wacco Board. Not only in the tone and insulting manner of his posts, but in the very telling silence regarding my challenge of them. If he's going to show the (on line) community one face, and that face is rude and insulting, I'm not surprised you didn't see many folks from Wacco attending.

On a lighter note, how is Jim doing? His second bypass went well I assume? One of these days, I'll drop by your store (as my hectic schedule allows) and hopefully share a hug, as love and kindness deserve a bigger place in this world than opinions and ideas do. (well, in my idealistic opinion, anyway ;-).

Oh, and I call myself Juggledude because I'm a dude who juggles! Balls, Clubs, Torches, Knives, Conversations, my Bills, etc.

Royce

joyfulliving
11-22-2006, 05:21 AM
Royce: IF you had come to the gathering and listened you would have learned that Walter is NOT rude or insulting. What I find on WACCO oftentimes is an endless bantering amongst people on here for which there is no end. I did not ask to be put onto WACCO TALK. I merely posted on the event section and Barry, because of the volume of readers and responses to this posting, put it instead on the TALK area. I dd not "sign up for the endless talk". I just wanted to let people know what Walter has to offer. IF you are as busy as you say, I am suprised why you cannot understand why a man who has hundreds of people all over the country wanting him to help them and educate them isn't busy. When you say "his silence" I find your statement daunting since he works helping others about 18-19 hours a day! He is not from Sonoma County and what I see is that most of the posts in his regard are more inflammatory than his ever were! I find it odd that few from WACCO attended given the subject manner, but that is WACCO readers choice. It doesn't in any manner reflect what many others say. He is now in even greater demand by the professional community in the Bay Area and that is wonderful because they have the money to make his wisdom worth this trip and they also appreciate him. Walter is the step beyond Aaron Russo in that, as one participants in last nights invitation-only meeting said, HE HAS THE TOOLS TO HELP YOU ACTUALLY SAVE yourself when faced with legal confrontation! Aaron Russo merely lets you know the truth and Walter lets you know the truth and how to deal with it in a legal self-empowering way. IF the WACCO community doesn't want the tools to do so, then so be it. He will be doing another session on Friday night and then on the weekend a LARGE professional organization will be bringing him down there to speak to their whole organizatoin, after speaking to him for 20 minutes. Sneeze and you lose is all I got to say. You have to remember Royce words on this post are oftentimes misinterpreted. Maybe you need to meet him in order to see he is not rude at all--But rather a brilliant man, really a genius, who could maybe save your "butt" someday legally as well. You never know when you need someone who is brilliant to lead you out of a rough situation! I was speaking with Ann, your friend, yesterday and we talked about you and after talking we both thought: what a shame that you didn't choose to come and hear Walter! I am leaving you with this post and am choosing after this to not even bring another discussion into this thread. I am busy as well and don't have time to go over and over this point. So please don't respond to this thread because I am busy helping Walter to set up appointments and other speaking engagements and just plain don't have the time. IF you want to talk, call me on Friday morning after 10 at: 829-5466.
In terms of Jim, he is getting better on all levels. It was not a bypass, so to speak, but where they put in stints in two seperate emergency surgeries after he collapsed (literally) from stress --had a series of heart attacks immediately after a legal hearing. To be getting freed up from that hearing and legal assault through Walter has been a quick and amazing liberation. The stints are another process, by the way, than what is usually done with a by-pass where they go up the main groin artery into the heart and repair it. Memorial is amazing in terms of their technology. They take these matters instantly serious and are quick to do what it takes to repair damage. Miraculous really. Otherwise he would have died. So if anyone you know is experiencing a heart attack, stroke, heart pain--GO TO MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. They treated him with complete respect despite the fact that his insurance was the VA and they usually do not pay for hospital visits outside their hospitals. Memorial treated him because he had an immediate need BOTH TIMES last week with expensive hospital surgeries and hospital stays! I imagine the surgeries were to the tune of $300,000 or so. Memorial treats and helps you despite a lack of ability to pay! Come on by the store sometime..... Elaine
P.S. Numerous people who have continued to read these threads HAVE come by the store recently to make donations to it and to privately speak with Walter --so all has not been entirely quiet from the WACCO community by any means........ I had just hoped that MANY more would have wanted to meet him, but I can only offer and see what happens. I didnt just post on WACCO so he has had a steady trail of people wanting his wisdom every day. My phone is endlessly busy and his appointment schedule between now and the 29th is FAST filling up with private appointments and meetings-conferences elsewhere. Everyday he gets about 10-15 new clients and that is how he has been able to help a couple of thousand people over the last few years. Have you ever been injured and slighted recovering your expenses and never were paid for the pain you endured? Have you ever looked at your taxes and wondered where the money has really gone? Have you ever been fined or ticketed and felt that it was not right? Then Walter is for you. To those who do not respond and want to meet him--Go ahead and hire attorneys who charge about half your recovery if not more and who do not go for the most you should be given--compromising your recovery. Go ahead and wait for years to know the outcome. With one or two letters by Walter you can be done right away and get what you deserve for a nominal donation for his services! Your choice......And by the way happy juggling: bills, insults, balls, legal challenges, bats, clubs, taxes, court cases, torches, flaming experiences, and other things challenging! (Me smiling):):



Elaine,

thank you for your generous and sincere invitaion. I did not attend your gathering/discussion this weekend for a many reasons, two of which stand way out in front, so I'll share those. First and foremost, I relate to your expressed schedule, and have a hectic one of my own. There are many things going on in my life at the moment, which take up considerable time, and I am left to prioritize those as there are, unfortunately, only so many hours in a day. Second, and possibly more important, The first impression I got of Walter, through his 9 posts on WaccoBB.net, was one of someone I don't care to be in the presence of, let alone listen to. Respect is earned, and I have none for him. I don't doubt that he has a wealth of factual information, and can feel the strength of his opinion and conviction, yet he chose to express these things in a derogatory, inflammatory, and downright rude manner on the Wacco Board. Not only in the tone and insulting manner of his posts, but in the very telling silence regarding my challenge of them. If he's going to show the (on line) community one face, and that face is rude and insulting, I'm not surprised you didn't see many folks from Wacco attending.

On a lighter note, how is Jim doing? His second bypass went well I assume? One of these days, I'll drop by your store (as my hectic schedule allows) and hopefully share a hug, as love and kindness deserve a bigger place in this world than opinions and ideas do. (well, in my idealistic opinion, anyway ;-).

Oh, and I call myself Juggledude because I'm a dude who juggles! Balls, Clubs, Torches, Knives, Conversations, my Bills, etc.

Royce

Juggledude
11-22-2006, 07:46 AM
Elaine,

Out of respect for your request for brevity and closure on this subject, I will keep my reply short. I appreciate that you, and by your statements, many other community members, have found value in your process. I find it a bit amusing that you lead your posts by saying you have not the time nor energy for "endless talk", yet have produced the longest infomercial yet with this latest one. Tell Ann I said hi, it's been several years since I've had any communication with her.

Give Jim my best, I've got a stent myself, placed during one of three angiograms I've had, one before and two after my bypass surgery, So I know what he's going through on that level as well. Good to hear about the kindness he received at Memorial, and though I don't know the nitty gritty details, I imagine this type of community service, not to mention his VA benefits themselves, are direct and measurable benefits of the taxation system Walter is declaiming against.

Royce

tomcat
12-03-2006, 08:09 AM
So, you've all had time to consult with Walter and decide what to do about taxes and all that... Please keep us posted on how it has affected you. Are you going to be paying taxes? Have you found a way out of it? Are you spending money on lawyers? Are you going to go to jail?

Are there things about the tax system you'd like to share with the rest of us? ...or is it a secret that only money can buy?

I am very curious about your experience. Please share with us.
Tom



Elaine,

Out of respect for your request for brevity and closure on this subject, I will keep my reply short. I appreciate that you, and by your statements, many other community members, have found value in your process. I find it a bit amusing that you lead your posts by saying you have not the time nor energy for "endless talk", yet have produced the longest infomercial yet with this latest one. Tell Ann I said hi, it's been several years since I've had any communication with her.

Give Jim my best, I've got a stent myself, placed during one of three angiograms I've had, one before and two after my bypass surgery, So I know what he's going through on that level as well. Good to hear about the kindness he received at Memorial, and though I don't know the nitty gritty details, I imagine this type of community service, not to mention his VA benefits themselves, are direct and measurable benefits of the taxation system Walter is declaiming against.

Royce

tomcat
12-14-2006, 11:07 AM
Hummm, no replys yet. Did anyone go see Walter? Do you want to share with us?
Tom



So, you've all had time to consult with Walter and decide what to do about taxes and all that... Please keep us posted on how it has affected you. Are you going to be paying taxes? Have you found a way out of it? Are you spending money on lawyers? Are you going to go to jail?

Are there things about the tax system you'd like to share with the rest of us? ...or is it a secret that only money can buy?

I am very curious about your experience. Please share with us.
Tom