I'm curious about how WaccoBB members feel about this vaccine that's being rushed through to protect us from COVID-19.
If you've had a flu shot in the past, has it prevented you from getting the flu, or flu symptoms? When was your last flu shot?
caromia333
11-24-2020, 10:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgeWXn6KxE&feature=emb_logoI am with Robert Kennedy Jr.
( a long time environmental lawyer and activist)
watch this interview
carpet crawler
11-24-2020, 04:40 PM
Any question of the form "If you did X, did it result in a negative (not happening) event?" is unanswerable. If I got a flu shot and did not get the flu, there may or may not be any causal relationship. Same if I *didn't* get a flu shot and did not get the flu. These are the equivalent of asking "If you ate breakfast, did you not get in a car accident later?" and assume that if you skipped breakfast you would have been in the accident.
If I did get the flu shot and did get the flu, I still cannot tell whether the shot was beneficial or not, because it's possible I could have had a much worse bout than if I didn't get the shot. Or not.
I believe that vaccines generally work and are beneficial, so that is my public bias. I have gotten flu shots for several years now (and I haven't caught the flu). I will definitely get a Covid vaccine, of one source or another, sometime next spring likely as I am not at the top of the priority list. I think it is a great bet to take; I am way more concerned about the effects of Covid than I am about side effects of a vaccine - whether those are "mainstream" effects like flu-like symptoms or muscle soreness, or "non-mainstream" effects like insertion of microchips.
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Goat Rock Ukulele
11-24-2020, 06:01 PM
The way I look at it is I am going to either get a bat virus that we have no idea of the long term effects or how serious a case I will get, or I can get the Pfizer vaccine in my system and have no idea of the long term effects but a good idea it will be ok. If you get the Astra Zeneca vaccine you get a Chimp cold virus with some covid genetic material mixed in. When I weigh all that I'll gladly go with the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine. I would rather have Pfizer's mRNA expressing in my cells to produce antibodies than a bat virus mRNA doing the same thing to reproduce itself.
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M/M
11-26-2020, 10:34 AM
I think it is good to see many facets of an issue so that one can make a truly informed decision. This article by a physician is interesting in this regard:
What the Covid Vaccine Hype Fails to Mention
https://mises.org/wire/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention
In addition to several other key points, he says:
My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively. The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine. Many of my colleagues want to see the safety data after a year of use before getting vaccinated; these colleagues are concerned about possible autoimmune side effects that may not appear for months after vaccination.
Mayacaman
12-04-2020, 09:03 PM
Pfizer’s Experimental Covid-19 Vaccine
—What You’re Not Being Told
Johnny Vedmore (https://unlimitedhangout.com/author/johnnyvedmoregmail-com/)
NOVEMBER 18, 2020
Pfizer’s long history of scandals, and the fact that they have never been held to account for their crimes, continues to be ignored by the media, even as its experimental mRNA vaccine candidate for Covid-19 draws ever closer to US government approval.
The vaccine information war has kicked up a gear, and the mainstream media vultures are circling to descend on any content that they can easily label and dismiss as misinformation. Laws will be passed (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/coronavirus-vaccine-labour-calls-for-emergency-censorship-laws-for-anti-vax-content/ar-BB1b0Ys7?MSCC=1605084351&s=09) throughout legislatures globally to criminalise anyone who publicly misunderstands any part of the complex biological processes involved in many of the new experimental vaccine technologies that are being used to produce Covid-19 vaccine candidates.
Even now, intelligence agencies and intelligence-backed tech companies are set to deploy sophisticated methods (https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/11/reports/us-uk-intel-agencies-declare-cyber-war-on-independent-media/) to censor content and deplatform news websites that they view as promoting ‘vaccine hesitancy’ as well as ‘vaccine misinformation’, particularly as a Covid-19 vaccine candidate lurches closer to approval.
It is expected that by month’s end the mRNA vaccine produced by the scandal-ridden pharmaceutical giant Pfizer will be approved (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/pfizer-eyes-emergency-use-approval-for-vaccine-in-november-2020-10-16) by the US government via an emergency-use authorization, with other countries expected to follow suit. Pfizer, in anticipation of the seemingly imminent and assured approval of their vaccine candidate, has already been manufacturing (https://twitter.com/eToro/status/1318611622714277890) hundreds of millions of doses of its vaccine for weeks and has received praise from governments and mainstream media alike for its self-reported claims (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-says-virus-vaccine-90percent-effective/ar-BB1aQ4mj) that its vaccine is 90 percent effective.
In particular, the success of the experimental mRNA mass vaccination program appears to hinge on the general population being unable to effectively articulate their concerns and objections. Whilst the mainstream media are quick to point out when somebody makes an error in how they believe the mRNA vaccine works, they don’t offer any further information than the official government line. Public distrust in vaccination programs is not the fault of those who don’t understand the way this brand-new technology works. Public distrust is all-pervasive because only one side of the argument is allowed to be heard. We do need to understand the technology involved, as there is a difference between mRNA vaccines and DNA vaccines.
Having a general understanding of the reason why someone should object to being given an experimental mRNA vaccine is necessary for creating a clear and coherent argument.
We are about to examine a subject that has been one of the most censored topics in the modern era. But now, more than ever before, we are in desperate need of the information that is being systematically hidden from the public. This article will be banned and attacked by those who believe we, the general public, shouldn’t know all the information about what they want to achieve from the coming mass global vaccinations. The reason for the current establishment’s unwillingness to speak about this subject leads to perhaps unnecessary suspicion. Such suspicions will never be dismissed via the currently employed tactic of smearing anyone who questions intentions. If governments worldwide want their populations to submit to these vaccinations, then they need to stop patronising people and speak honestly.
However, since that is unheard of, they will continue to employ coercive tactics, as they will be trying out a never-before-approved experimental method to boost the immune system by manipulating the process our DNA uses to signal for the creation of certain proteins, and we have little idea of what the long-term impact this brand-new therapeutic technology could have on our health. No politician, medical expert, or pharmaceutical representative is willing to accept responsibility for challenges that might be around the corner.
Many of the pharmaceutical companies researching potential coronavirus vaccines are using old methods. They take a proverbial pinch of the virus and infect your immune system at a very low and slow rate, allowing your body the time it needs to build up a natural immunological resistance to the illness. But developing those types of vaccines is a slow and arduous process, and the current leaders in the race to mass global vaccination are pharmaceutical companies using a radical new method that has never been tried before.
‘They are going to hack the cells in your body in order to make them into drug factories’, says Nathan Vardi, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h077V2x6SCk) a staff writer for Forbes, in a video titled Why Pfizer Is Betting Big on an Unproven Treatment for Covid-19, from March 2020. ‘The problem is with this approach’, Vardi admits, ‘is there’s never been an approved mRNA product’.
The various scientific explorations into the therapeutic applications of potential mRNA treatments are still in their infancy, but the method has been lauded as a potential solution to the treatment of cancer and infectious diseases, for protein replacement, and for gene therapy.
In January 2020, the de facto leader in the mRNA field was the pharmaceutical company Moderna, but—in the wake of Covid-19—other major companies began to focus on the mRNA method. Moderna was able to pioneer that method several years ago, thanks to funding largely provided by (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-takes-lead-chief-medical-officers-recent-promotion-gene-editing-vaccines/) the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Now, as 2020 draws to a close, the race to develop the winning Covid-19 vaccine is in full swing, and another Big Pharma company has seemingly beaten Moderna to the development of a supposedly effective mRNA vaccine, thanks to Pfizer teaming up with BioNTech, a small German company, to pip Moderna to the post. But, in this race to ‘save humanity’, there are bound to be pitfalls, especially when introducing completely new health technologies into mainstream use. Has Pfizer rung the finishing bell in this global race to end the current pandemic, or, instead, is it hurtling towards a disaster of epic proportions?
There are very informative scientific papers available from just before t (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32013049/)he pandemic began that give us an insight into this new mRNA technology. So here I’ll examine the DNA manipulating method, the vaccine, the people behind the research and development at BioNTech, but most important, I’ll examine Pfizer, and look at how the company has avoided accountability when things go wrong—and things do go wrong at Pfizer.
mRNA Vaccine Technology and How It Works
The vital interaction that mRNA has with our DNA has made selling mRNA vaccine technology extremely difficult for those who believe it’s the future of human medicine. The fact that it will alter the function of your DNA in your body has made many people suspicious of what unexpected horrors could arise through mass use of this new and experimental technique.
Unsurprisingly, the people marketing the vaccines have tried to downplay the aggressive and genetically manipulative nature of the treatment. In fairness, trying to explain the workings of such a complex new technology in plain English is exceedingly difficult. This is apparent when one listens to representatives of the mainstream media, who are often mealy mouthed when describing the biological processes that will take place when you receive the mRNA vaccine. But inability to articulate the technology isn’t surprising when you consider that part of your DNA, after breaking in two through a natural process, will then be combined with the experimental mRNA in a way that seems esoteric to many of us. It’s almost impossible to imagine such a process taking place in one’s own vulnerable biological system, in one’s DNA, the most precious building blocks of life that define your very existence.
After a preprogrammed strand of mRNA has merged with a naturally severed part of your DNA, it will request the production of a protein that should help trigger your immune system. In theory, this should boost your immune system and aid in the mass production of the proteins necessary to successfully fight the specific illness. The inserted messenger-RNA (thus, mRNA) should be relatively easy to design and programme as long as the scientists involved have the genetic coding for the infection it is to fight. In this case, the necessary data was released in January 2020 by the Chinese. Mild side effects to this process should be expected.
Although no extreme side effects were reported by Pfizer during the stage 3 testing of their mRNA vaccine, nearly every participant suffered mild symptoms, including swelling of the arm, irritation of the skin, and headaches, to name just a few. But, as we shall see, the information that Pfizer releases about its clinical trials and what happens in reality can be quite different.
I have just described the basic information you require for understanding how the coming mRNA vaccine works, but what I can’t describe to you is what happens in the long term. This form of therapeutic alternative has never been allowed or sanctioned before, aside from small clinical trials. There has never been an FDA-approved clinical trial for mRNA medicine because its usage comes with an abundance of ethical and moral questions and unknown possibilities.
At the same time, the utilisation of the mRNA method could also be one of the biggest leaps forward in technology ever recorded in human history. If we give the technology the benefit of the doubt and assume that it has no negative long-term side effects, then it is a potential treatment for almost every human illness on earth.
Opening this mRNA floodgate would mean normalising regular vaccinations for nearly every imaginable ailment. In the best-case scenario, you could be vaccinated against cancer, heart disease, diabetes, dementia and Alzheimer’s, and any other human ailment that derives from a fault in your DNA. In the worst-case scenario, you could be left dead or crippled like Pfizer’s victims in its experiments on Nigerian children during the late 1990s.
All that being said, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine has a major downside to it. Pfizer and Moderna have stated that their mRNA vaccines need to be kept at -70° C and -20° C, respectively, which is a significant logistical challenge. Without these extremely cold temperatures, the mRNA and combined nanoparticles will lose their integrity. There are no studies on the effect of poorly stored mRNA vaccines on the human body. In comparison, DNA vaccines are much easier to transport and store as they are much more stable molecules.
As we have seen, the potential for mRNA technology is boundless. If the vaccine is successful in normalising the process of gene editing for medicinal benefit, there will be pressure to continue editing genes in other ways. It isn’t hard to see that the technology could have cosmetic, medical, and military applications that could range from phosphorescent skin to military bioweapons beyond our imagination. That is the reason why the people behind this technology are reluctant to speak about its potential game-changing mRNA method, for it represents our first real steps into transhumanism.
It would be great if we could study all of these vaccines for a decade but millions more will die if we take that course. The corona virus uses near identical technology as the BioNtech and Moderna vaccines. As does every other virus infection you have ever had. There is little reason to believe any long term sided effect that could arise from a vaccine would not also be possible from the virus itself. It's looking more and more all of us are going to get one or the other. The strange symptom of losing sense of smell from this virus is it traveling up the nerves in your noes to your brain,. This is a nasty bug and we have no idea of the long term consequences of even mild cases. We do know there can be damage to just about every organ in your body, as well as your blood vessels. 30% have symptoms months later.
The article states we don't know what would happen if these vaccines were to become spoiled from heat. To that end Zebra has designed labeling that changes color if vaccines have not remained at the desired storage temperature.
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pamelaL
12-05-2020, 05:46 PM
think back; how many colds have you had when you lost your sense of smell - and taste? and then it came back later. people are so fear-mongered it makes me crazy. I met a woman today looking forward to getting any vaccine the good man Dr. Fauci says to get. she has completely abdicated her authority to one profiteer who has been in his position for decades and not treating people at all. We are getting people better at Dr. Rowen's clinic in Santa Rosa. Elizabeth Laken said she gets people better as well. This is not a hard virus to treat, but the fear-mongering, the big voice from the MSM can't be beat it seems. Channel 3 news in Sacramento has interview a family of covid positive patients we treated and got better - I hope it makes it past the gatekeepers of Truth to get out to the public. Italy has been publishing this sort of thing too, it gets buried in the loud voices of the profiteers who own it all, and soon to own you too it seems.
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podfish
12-05-2020, 06:07 PM
think back; how many colds have you had when you lost your sense of smell - and taste? uh, never?
I get your point that the MSME (main-stream medical establishment) is ignoring your wonderful 100% successful treatment, and that it's unfair to expect you can force it on them.
If you are really claiming, though, as it seems you are, that the 200K+ deaths are all merely due to the establishment's intransigence, it's one of the things that Sagan was talking about.
Sorry, it's just way too implausible that there's only a few leaks in the united front of pharma, hospitals, and medical practitioners, those either corrupt or blind, and that there are isolated clinics like yours all around the world who have the secret. Boy, when it finally comes out won't they feel silly (if they were blinded by convention) or scared (if they were corruptly trying to hide it).
It's obvious from your posts you completely believe this. If you truly believe that people are dying because they won't listen, you and other like-minded people who've demonstrated that you can save everyone do need to keep working to get that out to the world. Wacco is maybe a start, but it's not enough. Your group needs better leaders because there are a lot of lives at stake.
I suppose there's one other position possible -- you could take the position the 200+K is an imaginary number, and there's really nothing to see here.
caromia333
12-05-2020, 06:55 PM
anyone who is first in line for this vaccine - isn't making the connection between Big Pharma (the manufacturers of the covid vaccine) and their long history of crimes and felonies. Here's a short film I made to give you just a hint of that history.
https://youtu.be/6_UVWWdj17YBig Pharma- a short history of fraud, bribery, lawsuits and crimes.
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Karl Frederick
12-05-2020, 08:10 PM
Thank you for this background on mRNA vaccines and on Pfizer's role in the Nigerian debacle. I wonder if anyone is developing a test to determine whether an individual actually needs this vaccine, or their immune system is already able to cope with the Covid virus, as many are now?
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caromia333
12-06-2020, 05:59 AM
Best question to date.
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Shandi
12-06-2020, 07:41 AM
Thank you so much for this revealing information! You have given open minds a considerable way to evaluate the next Big Pharma FIX. Those who look to Big Pharma to save them may be offering themselves on a sacrificial heap to keep the profitable fires burning.
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Mayacaman
12-06-2020, 08:50 AM
·Thank you for this background on mRNA vaccines and on Pfizer's role in the Nigerian debacle. I wonder if anyone is developing a test to determine whether an individual actually needs this vaccine, or their immune system is already able to cope with the Covid virus, as many are now?
It is a Good Question. -And if any company or party is in the process of developing such a test, why has the mainstream media not reported about it ? The obvious and most likely answer is because the mainstream media - which coincidentally has interlocking directorates with "big pharma" - is intent on herding everyone into the schedule of getting jabbed...
With the first COVID-19 vaccine candidate set to receive an Emergency Use Authorization from the U.S. government in a matter of days, its distribution and allocation is set to begin “within 24 hours (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-operation-warp-speed-chief-within-24-hours-of-approval-vaccine-will-be-available-to-states-96400453832)” of that vaccine’s imminent approval.
The allocation strategy of COVID-19 (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender_category/big-pharma/) vaccines within the U.S. is set to dramatically differ from previous national vaccination programs. One key difference is that the vaccine effort itself, known as Operation Warp Speed (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/operation-warp-speed-cia-linked-contractor-covid-vaccine/), is being almost completely managed by the U.S. military (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/google-oracle-monitor-americans-who-get-warp-speeds-covid-19-vaccine-for-two-years/), along with the Department of Homeland Security and the National Security Agency, as opposed to civilian health agencies, which are significantly less involved than previous national vaccination efforts and have even been barred from attending some Warp Speed meetings. In addition, for the first time since 2001, law enforcement officers and Department of Homeland Security officials are set to not be prioritized for early vaccination.
Another key difference is the plan to utilize a phased approach that targets “populations of focus” identified in advance by different government organizations, including the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). Characteristics of those “populations of focus,” also referred to as “critical populations” in official documentation, will then be identified by the secretive, Palantir-developed software tool known as “Tiberius” to guide Operation Warp Speed’s vaccine distribution efforts. Tiberius will provide Palantir access to sensitive health and demographic data of Americans, which the company will use to (https://news.yahoo.com/big-data-firm-palantir-working-205153901.html) “help identify high-priority populations at highest risk of infection.”
This report is the first of a three-part series unmasking the racist components of the Pentagon-run project to both develop and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine. It explores the COVID-19 vaccine allocation strategy first outlined by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and subsequent government allocation strategies that were informed by Johns Hopkins.
The main focus of this allocation strategy is to deliver vaccines first to racial minorities but in such a way as to make those minorities feel “at ease” and not like “guinea pigs” when receiving an experimental vaccine that those documents admit is likely to cause “certain adverse effects … more frequently in certain population subgroups.” Research has shown that those “subgroups” most at risk for adverse effects are these same minorities.
</header> Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence. These sources may be untrustworthy for credible/verifiable information, therefore fact checking and further investigation is recommended on a per article basis when obtaining information from these sources. See all Conspiracy-Pseudoscience sources (http://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conspiracy/).
Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks.
Detailed Report
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180
History
Founded in 2016 as the World Mercury Project which was renamed Children’s Health Defense, is an anti-vaccine nonprofit pseudoscience organization. It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr) who is an American environmental attorney, author, and opponent of vaccination. Kennedy is a son of Robert F. Kennedy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy) and nephew of former president John F. Kennedy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy). He is the president of the board of Waterkeeper Alliance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterkeeper_Alliance), a non-profit environmental group that he helped found in 1999.
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Funded by / Ownership
The Children’s Health Defense is a 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization. Revenue is derived through donations and $ 10-lifetime memberships. According to 2017 IRS 990 they have a total revenue of $727,175.
Analysis / Bias
In review, Children’s Health Defense primarily publishes news and information that is skeptical of vaccines and their safety. The website also features a research section that typically does not align with the consensus of science regarding vaccines (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pseudoscience-dictionary-autism-vaccine-link/) and other scientific matters. For example, they routinely publish information claiming the dangers of accumulated Mercury and Thimersol (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pseudoscience-dictionary-anti-vaccination-anti-vax/) such as this Generation Zero: Thomas Verstraeten’s First Analyses of the Link Between Vaccine Mercury Exposure and the Risk of Diagnosis of Selected Neuro-Developmental Disorders (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/government/foia/generation-zero-thomas-verstraetens-first-analyses-link-vaccine-mercury-exposure-risk-diagnosis-selected-neuro-developmental-disorders/). According to the Centers for Disease Control, (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/centers-disease-control-prevention-cdc/) “Reputable scientific studies have shown that mercury in vaccines given to young children is not a cause of autism.”
(https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-thimerosal-color-office.pdf)
Besides promoting anti-vaccination propaganda the Children Health Defense has also promoted the debunked conspiracy that fluoride lowers the IQ in children (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-childrens-health-defense-team-fluoridation-must-end-300776382.html). At this time there is not enough evidence (https://theconversation.com/does-water-fluoridation-really-damage-your-childrens-iq-123306) to make that claim. Other conspiracies and/or pseudoscience promoted on this website include the dangers of 5G (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/what-you-should-know-about-5g-satellites-how-musks-sci-fi-dreams-are-becoming-our-living-nightmare/), and during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic), the group accused the United States government of supporting research on a vaccine as part of a plan to increase revenues for the pharmaceutical industry (https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/how-the-anti-vaccine-community-is-responding-to-covid-19/).
Failed Fact Checks
Williamson Misleads on Children’s Health, Vaccines (https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/williamson-misleads-on-childrens-health-vaccines/) – False
“Vaccine Injuries Ratio: One for Every 39 Vaccines Administered” (https://sciencefeedback.co/claimreview/claim-by-rfk-jr-that-one-vaccine-injury-occurs-for-every-39-vaccinations-is-unsupported-by-scientific-data/) – Unsupported
“the autoimmune diseases and menstrual cycle problems and fertility problems […] and all of the other things that we’ve now seen are associated with the [HPV] vaccine” (https://sciencefeedback.co/claimreview/studies-worldwide-demonstrate-hpv-vaccine-safety-and-no-association-with-serious-autoimmune-and-neurological-diseases-or-problems-during-pregnancy/) – Unsupported
“[It] is nearly impossible to categorize post-vaccine deaths as vaccine-related” (https://sciencefeedback.co/outlet/childrens-health-defense/) – Unsupported
Vaccinated children are more likely to have adverse health outcomes like developmental delays, asthma, and ear infections compared to unvaccinated children. (https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/significant-methodological-flaws-in-a-2020-study-claiming-to-show-unvaccinated-children-are-healthier-brian-hooker-childrens-health-defense/) – Unsupported (6/4/2020)
Overall, we rate the Children’s Health Defense a strong conspiracy and quackery level advocacy group that frequently promotes unsupported claims. We also rate them low for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda as well as several failed fact checks. (D. Van Zandt 4/24/2020) Updated (6/4/2020)
Source: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
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Mayacaman
12-20-2020, 08:42 AM
Heresbruce,
"Media Bias / Fact Check" is so lame that they promote & perpetuate the one-dimensional vision of the so-called "political spectrum" in which "left & right" are a series of points on a line-segment. This misunderstanding is one of the major conceptual problems in the West today. It has been taught to and perpetrated upon the unwitting public from the time they were collectively in knee britches. It is a false vision of reality.
In the World of "Media Bias / Fact Check", Dead Center is "Least Biased"
The Power Elite = the "One Percent (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22the+one+percent%22+%2C+sociology&t=osx&atb=v182-1&ia=web)" = are not the "far Right." The Power Elite (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=power+elite+in+the+us&t=osx&atb=v182-1&ia=web)
are the "Centrists (https://plutocratsandplutocracy.blogspot.com/2011/01/beyond-plutocracy-direct-democracy-for.html)" - from the Center that is Above the whole shooting match.
heresbruce
12-20-2020, 06:04 PM
Mayacaman, a long time ago I was fortunate to work with severely developmentally delayed folks institutionalized at a state hospital- I began to learn that there are many different forms of intelligence, and some of those people had “splinter skills” and a way of “knowing” things I learned to appreciate. This inspired me to go to college to study psychology to get a certificate then a Master Degree in Social Work. I chose not to get a PhD and colleagues who did often looked down on my “failure” to get a higher degree. I thereafter worked in mental health facilities, at times with otherwise extremely intelligent people in acute distress, some at times with “splinter deficits”.
I am now retired but continue to read and study human behavior, and observing the postings on this site, some by people I know. I have made the mistake of commenting a few times, careful to fact check and research any questionable issues but have stopped. Reactions and replies to my messages were disrespectful, offensive, hurtful, and non-responsive. Some of the posts here, and responses, such as yours, seem to be from some realm of knowledge beyond my comprehension. I have made it a point to try to work within consensus reality when dealing with other people but it sometimes does not seem to be possible. Your hyperorthodoxical and preternatural take on understanding the reality we may or may not share goes to a place of what seems to me to be distrust, suspicion and negativity.
I am a simple man, I like accordion music, bagpipes, a cup coffee a couple times daily and currently prefer to a mostly hermetic lifestyle. And, at 72 years old, i will get the vaccination. Instead of reacting and responding, I have decided to read, consider and watch from a distance… some few observations and statements here are dangerous in light of the present circumstances. But respectfully, thank you for offering me another bit of information about a sometimes rather complex and at other times mystifying universe…
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Mayacaman
12-20-2020, 06:29 PM
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Dear heresbruce, Could you please elaborate on this passage of your missive:
"Some of the posts here, and responses, such as yours, seem to be from some realm of knowledge beyond my comprehension. I have made it a point to try to work within consensus reality when dealing with other people but it sometimes does not seem to be possible. Your hyperorthodoxical and preternatural take on understanding the reality we may or may not share goes to a place of what seems to me to be distrust, suspicion and negativity."
-Especially the words "hyperorthodoxical and preternatural" & the phrase "goes to a place of what seems to me to be distrust, suspicion and negativity."
I don't know what you mean by the word "hyperorthodoxical" - for in truth, I am an "unorthodox" thinker; both politically & spiritually.. The point of my missive was to try to enlighten y'all and get you-all to think outside of the binary box of one-dimensional left-right-left thought. For '"reality" - and "politics" - being itself an aspect of human existence - is far more than that stupid one-dimensional "Left-Right" line segment.
If you would take the time to reflect, you might remember that a line-segment is a one-dimensional figure. I would hope that even a "simple man," as you describe yourself - especially one with a Masters Degree - could understand that. Over in another category on this website, I have posted a series of articles (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?133720-Towards-a-Transcendental-Understanding-of-the-quot-Political-Spectrum-quot) that explain the nuances of -& the rationale for- my own, alternative Model of the so-called "Political Spectrum"...
My critique of the website "Media Bias / Fact Check" is that it projects whatever dogma the ruling class wants the masses to accept & follow, downwards (from the "Center" station that the plutocrats themselves occupy, Above the level of the masses.) Why should dead Center be ascribed as the position that is "Least Biased" ?? Can you answer that Question Bruce? Can anyone here who peruses this Bulletin Board answer that Question? Think about it.
Are there any fact-check sites that are truly objective? I tend to doubt it. As far as I have observed, all of them are very biased in favor of the party line that is promoted by the mainstream media.
But beyond that, I don't understand why you must project "distrust, suspicion and negativity" on to my person. For I assure you, that is not why I post. But then again, I do understand & grok a very simple fact: you, Bruce, are only following the lead of Barry, who has chosen to make a 'publik example' of me as his designated whipping boy.
Jude Iam
12-20-2020, 08:14 PM
looked it up in dictionary online: "No results found for hyperorthodoxical"
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Mayacaman
12-21-2020, 09:59 AM
WARNING: 3,150 Injuries in First Week of Illegal Experimental COVID Vaccines Among American Healthcare Workers! Pregnant Women Included
by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News
December 20, 2020
The first week of injecting American healthcare workers with the experimental illegal Pfizer mRNA vaccine has resulted in over 3000 of these healthcare workers reporting that they were injured to the extent that they could not continue on their jobs and perform normal activities, requiring care from a doctor or healthcare worker.
This report is directly from the CDC (http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/CDC-05-covid-clark.pdf) and was published yesterday, December 19, 2020.
If the staffing issues and overcrowding at hospitals across the U.S. were being over-exaggerated in the Pharma-controlled corporate media in recent weeks (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/its-panic-porn-clickbait-media-scare-stories-about-hospitals-are-misleading) to instill fear over COVID to the public, that is all about to change as the next phase of the experimental COVID vaccine trials is being conducted on the American public, starting with healthcare workers this past week.
Because according to this CDC report (http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/CDC-05-covid-clark.pdf), the healthcare system just lost over 3000 staff due to the experimental COVID vaccine, and not COVID itself.
Using healthcare workers as the first human lab rats in the public was obviously planned from the start. Those trained in the dogma of the pharmaceutical industry, at least many of them, were able to roll up their sleeves and get this experimental vaccine and be convinced that the side effects are “normal” and for the “greater good,” because that is what their training has taught them.
This will also lead to REAL hospital over-crowding as more and more of these healthcare workers will not be able to show up for work next week, and probably the weeks ahead, and the pharma-controlled corporate media will spin this as being due to the rising “cases” of COVID to convince the general public to line up and get this vaccine.
And the dumbed-down American public who actually trust the pharma-owned and controlled corporate media seem to be falling for the deception, based on comments we have received here at Health Impact News as we report these events.
For example, we published the video (https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/tennessee-nurse-manager-passes-out-on-camera-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine/) of the press conference in Chattanooga, Tennessee earlier this week where Nurse Manager Tiffany Dover passed out live on camera just after she was vaccinated with the Pfizer COVID experimental vaccine.
The doctors at CHI Memorial Hospital, and the nurse herself, tried to reassure the public that her passing out had nothing at all to do with the vaccine she had just received, and apparently most of the public is buying it, based on comments we received, like this one:
My mom made me watch this video. All of you here are misled and make yourselves look incredibly dumb. You guys are really taking this site as a credible news source? Listen to healthcare officials! Listen to the cdc and who! Wear your mask!!!!!! Get the vaccine!!!!!!! At the very least stay home and quarentine!!!!! It’s partially because of your noncompliance and uneducated propaganda that this country is in the state it is in compared to the rest of the world.
Where you get your information right now is a matter of life and death, literally, and threats of the government seizing websites such as Health Impact News and others who dare to publish the truth about the corruption in the Pharmaceutical industry and government are still hanging over us, and could be implemented at any time now, as they seek to roll out this vaccine to the general public after they significantly reduce the hospital staffs across the country.
Next up will be seniors in assisted living institutions, probably beginning this week, and most of them have co-morbidity conditions with weakened immune systems and are pumped full of toxic pharmaceutical drugs.
This will be a literal holocaust, and be far worse than the tens of thousands of seniors who died when COVID started!
The other disturbing aspect of the CDC report published yesterday (http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/CDC-05-covid-clark.pdf) is that there were 514 healthcare workers pregnant that received the first round of Pfizer’s experimental vaccine.
As we have reported (https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/warning-seniors-and-healthcare-workers-first-in-line-to-get-the-experimental-covid-vaccine/), the U.K. is not recommending pregnant women get this vaccine, but no such warning exists in the FDA guidelines for the U.S.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!
This is the eugenics agenda for the New World Order called “The Great Reset” being implemented right before you very eyes! Stop watching the pharma-owned and controlled corporate media news, and start taking precautions to RESIST their agenda to reduce the world’s population and setup their New World Order!
This is not a “conspiracy theory” anymore!! It is the stated goal of the Globalists like Bill Gates, it has been published (https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/the-un-new-world-order-has-now-been-published-no-longer-a-conspiracy-theory-out-of-the-shadows/), and now it is being implemented right before your very eyes as The Great Reset (https://healthimpactnews.com/?find=The+Great+Reset).
If you have not yet listened to the warning from doctors and healthcare professionals who are not onboard with this eugenics program which represents literally TENS OF THOUSANDS of doctors around the world trying to sound the alarm on these experimental COVID vaccines, please watch and listen now and pass this on because these doctors are being censored and attacked:
Doctors Around the World Issue Dire WARNING: DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCINE!! (https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine/)
"Hyperorthodoxy" is a word in the dictionary and sometimes used for "fundamentalism" in a religious context.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hyperorthodoxy
Zeno Swijtink
12-21-2020, 10:32 AM
3150 people with side effects to the level of "Health Impact Event" [for Dec 18 alone, not the week as the headline wants it] out of 112,807 vaccinated that day. That's 2.8%. To say that "the healthcare system just lost over 3000 staff" is false since most of these people will be back at work in a few days.
The mainstream publication The Atlantic has a piece about side effects of the vaccines:
What the Vaccine’s Side Effects Feel Like
The COVID-19 vaccine will make some people feel sick. But they’re not—that’s the immune system doing its job.
""Hyperorthodoxy" is a word in the dictionary and sometimes used for "fundamentalism" in a religious context."
Yeah, Well I am definitely not a so-called "Fundamentalist". I was raised in the definitively "liberal" political and spiritually "liberal" environment of the Unitarian Church in Berkeley, California. My mother, the late and illustrious Marda Liggett Woodbury - who was a Charter member & for a period of three years in the mid-Sixties, Chairwoman of the Oakland Chapter of Women for Peace - took the family to Quaker Summer Camps all through the Sixties. Those are my roots -which I embrace and Love.
At the age of sixteen, I put myself through an intensive spiritual Search for a period of six months, during which time I read every text that I could get my hungry little hands on - of all of the six "major religions". Along about Christmas time in 1966, just as I turned seventeen, I emerged from my Quest with a definite Faith - in the "LORD Jesus Christ" - whom I prefer to call Yahshuah Ha' Messiach. I wrote about my "conversion" - such as it was - earlier, here on WaccoBB (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?133353-Coronavirus-quot-Reality-quot-amp-quot-Conspiracy-Theory-quot&p=233598#post233598).
Now for you-all who think in binary terms, for one to confess 'faith' in the LORD Jesus, must indicate that that person is, ipso ergo, a "Fundamentalist" - & a "Right-winger." But that is not necessarily so. For though I can, in good conscience recite and believe in the exact words of the Apostles Creed, I am a Radical in politics. Not a "Leftist" - nor a "Right-winger" - but an old-school Radical: One who accepts the reality of the Class War, and is on the side of the People and against the Plutocracy.
podfish
12-21-2020, 05:10 PM
·I'm not surprised. I think the internet you use for searching is different than most of us use :wink: google: About 4,420,000 results<nobr style="color: rgb(112, 117, 122); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> (0.41 seconds) </nobr>
Mayacaman
12-21-2020, 05:57 PM
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Peter/podfish wrote:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/images/cielo/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=239679#post239679) "I'm not surprised. I think the internet you use for searching is different than most of us use :wink: google: About 4,420,000 results (0.41 seconds)"
"Google," Peter, is a front for the "C.I.A." - a very clever way to map the minds of millions, by seeing what words they spin in the Box when they are doing a web-Search.
Check this out:
Using the
Brave Browser (https://brave.com/download/)
& the
DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/)
Search Engine:
google cia connection (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=google+cia+connection&t=osx&ia=web)
We’re talking here about “political fundamentalism.”
What are some telltale signs of political fundamentalism? These come to my mind:
1. There is a sacred text (Das Kapital, Road to Serfdom, …)
2. The text is interpreted literally, so anything written in playful jest becomes frozen in literal meaning.
3. There is a Guru who is conceived to have reached Full Enlightenment (Marx, Hayek).
4. There are Disciples (Lenin, Friedman) who have been effective in securing the success of the group.
5. There are fallen Angels who strayed (Trotsky, may be Polanyi)
6. Members of the group easily break with family and friends because of doctrinal disagreements.
7. A strong sense of Us vs Them. Feeling “Radical”.
7. A zeal for missionary action, cherry picking evidence in support of the creed.
8. There is a learning process to become part of the group, often with a “Damascus Moment”.
What else? Where did I get this wrong?
podfish
12-21-2020, 09:15 PM
Peter/podfish wrote:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/images/cielo/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?p=239679#post239679) "I'm not surprised. I think the internet you use for searching is different than most of us use :wink: google: About 4,420,000 results (0.41 seconds)"
"Google," Peter, is a front for the "C.I.A." - a very clever way to map the minds of millions, by seeing what words they spin in the Box when they are doing a web-Search.
Check this out: now come on, MM, when someone posts something about an Irishman, a priest, and a druid who go into a bar.... do you answer with a discussion of Catholicism and its sordid history with the Celts?
pamelaL
12-21-2020, 09:57 PM
Many people are reacting to fear, and not open to anything main stream media does not sanctify. I have uncensored information that floods to me from my international peers, doctors and practitioners detailing how they are treating covid successfully via numerous inexpensive means, cancer as well by the way, all that gets censored and/or maligned in the states...be that as it may, certain quotes come back to me which I shall paraphrase here: "Science wants things to stand still, Nature is in constant movement and change." "A new mutation of covid just surfaced in the UK." (that on the news this today) "Every virus has it's vulnerabilities, this one is no exception" Dr. Rowen. " the heirs of modern materialism, will look for the vaccine to make the body 'healthy' that is, makes its constitution such that this body no longer talks of such rubbish as soul and spirit". Rudolph Steiner in 1917 "We re in a new era of discovering the power of our own soul." Carolyn Myss. So...who or what does not want this human creature to discover it's own power?
Just open your eyes and look at what's happening; a vaccine industry with the best business deal of all; vaccines without consequences. I am not anti vaccine, but this one? no thanks; I would rather take care of my immune system now, and get a treatable virus than be the animal in the only animal studies they will do on this first ever RNA vaccine, and in a few months you will need another, and another, because the virus is mutating fast. I wish those who choose this covid vaccine good luck, I sincerely wish you well. The change in dulling down from vaccines can be slow and insidious, like slow memory loss and brain fog creeping in; people wont even notice what they have lost, only the others who do not join them will notice....
pamelaL
12-21-2020, 10:05 PM
FDA Investigates Allergic Reactions to Pfizer COVID Vaccine After More Healthcare Workers Hospitalized The FDA is investigating allergic reactions in “multiple states.” The agency acknowledged the reactions may have been caused by PEG, a compound in the Pfizer vaccine that CHD previously told the FDA could put millions of people at risk.
folks - just don't be first in line if you are actually going to get stuck (again and again and again as the virus mutates again and again and again)
and hey Jude....ya gotta at least admit "hyperorthadoxycal" is creative LOL!
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Mayacaman
12-21-2020, 10:42 PM
What are some telltale signs of political fundamentalism? These come to my mind:
Are you saying, Zeno, that you see some sort of "political fundamentalist" in me? -Because, I assure you, I am not a member of any party or group - either economic -or- political... I am utterly and absolutely independent of any political party that exists in America in the present. When it comes to the so-called "Democratic Party" versus the so-called "Republican Party", my "politics" is the politics of Mercutio: "A plague on both your houses."
What I favor -in American politics- is a moment that has quite passed & gone : the "Paleo-Progressive (https://web.archive.org/web/20160324162341/http://www.paleoprogressives.org/a-manifesto.html)" moment -A tendency which might be described as the Circle defined by the three points: Eugene Debs, Robert LaFollette, Sr., and the elder Lindbergh - All of whom died in 1924 or 1925.
And if & when I refer to Karl Marx, it is not as a Guru but as an historian that I see him. His book "Das Kapital" is important historically -both as an account & as a relic.
So yes, I would say you did "get it wrong". For you have misconstrued my meaning. You would condense me & put me in a cubbyhole; but I can not be contained. I defy your categories. I have learned to think outside of all of the binary boxes.
"The Tao" as Lao Tzu said, is "not this, not that"...
Mayacaman
12-22-2020, 08:46 AM
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Peter/podfish wrote:
"now come on, MM, when someone posts something about an Irishman, a priest, and a druid who go into a bar.... do you answer with a discussion of Catholicism and its sordid history with the Celts? "
Now you come on, Peter. In the first place, you may address me by my name, which is Mark. Evidently we do agree about at least two things at this juncture of the discussion :
A. That the C.I.A. is evil = equivalent to the R.C.C.
&
B. The Roman Catholic Church has a sordid history regarding the Celts
But that is beside the point I was trying to put over. My point is that using Google is a sure way to give the C.I.A. permission to map your brain (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Shoshana+Zuboff%2C+CIA&t=osx&ia=web). Frankly, I don't care how fast it is & and how many results Google comes up with. Google uses algorithms that censor large segments of Reality and they spy on us. Not nice.
M/M
12-22-2020, 10:56 AM
Your list could serve as a beautiful mirror for you .... if you are open.
I wish you a renaissance in your own consciousness... The beauty of discovery of the value of those you worked with early on... meant you did not see through the eyes of 'authorities' in your institution and in society at large...
Yet you, and others, have so identified w/gods or authorities of mainstream media... and carefully lay out for all to see - the grounds and justification for a witch hunt or scapegoating.
Some of us are more familiar w/medical information so can see through some of the lies and fallacies easier, and some are not familiar w/medical info yet also recognize certain signs.... We endanger no one - though we are accused of doing so.
I don't deny you your right to follow the paths in life that make the most sense to you - would that you and
others allow all people the same. The disdain and contempt conveyed by some is not lost on us...
In ego defense mechanisms, there is a strategy of 'identification with the aggressor' - the ego believing
itself safe thereby.... It is an unfortunate inflated and blind strategy... making one deal harshly with fellow humans and not look below the surface to discern if a given path/authorities are deserving of such devotion. (The latter is especially difficult in a climate where much information is suppressed.)
The Aquarian Age might or might not have begun yesterday (two planets conjoined in Zero degree of Aquarius on the Solstice)... a time to expand in knowledge of the unity of all life - not just all humans but all species.. and to learn to respect same.
We can see that for every finger pointing blame or judgment on others, three fingers come back to the pointer at same time. Projections or defenses that are erroneous will eventually be dropped by us individually and collectively - as they are not based in verities or eternal universal ideas - and their adoption makes for many problems and for much needless suffering.
It is exciting time to be alive.. The future is a mystery. All of us want and deserve respect. The Golden Rule et al is a great way to travel. All will be revealed... "All will be well and every manner of thing shall be well"...eventually. We are all works in progress..
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Zeno Swijtink
12-22-2020, 11:23 AM
Thank you, Mark. I smiled when I read your wittiism "Paleo-Progressives." But I guess you coined this before the paleo-diet.
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Mayacaman
12-23-2020, 12:28 AM
Zeno wrote:
"Thank you, Mark. I smiled when I read your wittiism "Paleo-Progressives." But I guess you coined this before the paleo-diet."
Yes, Zeno. Although the term "Paleo-Progressive (https://web.archive.org/web/20160324162341/http://www.paleoprogressives.org/a-manifesto.html)" was in existence before I came along, I was the first to take the term and attempt to define it as a sociological & political tendency. I realized - much to my surprise - that no sociologist had ever attempted to do that, and that consequently there was a vacuum there; since the term "Paleo-Conservative (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Paleo-Conservative%22&t=osx&atb=v182-1&ia=definition)" had not only been defined, there were also followers in that camp and there were card-carrying, identifiable players.
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jessica_ashford
12-28-2020, 03:42 AM
Pfizer’s Experimental Covid-19 Vaccine
—What You’re Not Being Told
Johnny Vedmore
(https://unlimitedhangout.com/author/johnnyvedmoregmail-com/)how COVID-19 vaccine works (https://help-center.pissedconsumer.com/jeffrey-ebersole-on-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-and-moderna-pros-and-cons/)
NOVEMBER 18, 2020
Pfizer’s long history of scandals, and the fact that they have never been held to account for their crimes, continues to be ignored by the media, even as its experimental mRNA vaccine candidate for Covid-19 draws ever closer to US government approval.
The vaccine information war has kicked up a gear, and the mainstream media vultures are circling to descend on any content that they can easily label and dismiss as misinformation. Laws will be passed (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/coronavirus-vaccine-labour-calls-for-emergency-censorship-laws-for-anti-vax-content/ar-BB1b0Ys7?MSCC=1605084351&s=09) throughout legislatures globally to criminalise anyone who publicly misunderstands any part of the complex biological processes involved in many of the new experimental vaccine technologies that are being used to produce Covid-19 vaccine candidates.
Even now, intelligence agencies and intelligence-backed tech companies are set to deploy sophisticated methods (https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/11/reports/us-uk-intel-agencies-declare-cyber-war-on-independent-media/) to censor content and deplatform news websites that they view as promoting ‘vaccine hesitancy’ as well as ‘vaccine misinformation’, particularly as a Covid-19 vaccine candidate lurches closer to approval.
It is expected that by month’s end the mRNA vaccine produced by the scandal-ridden pharmaceutical giant Pfizer will be approved (https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/pfizer-eyes-emergency-use-approval-for-vaccine-in-november-2020-10-16) by the US government via an emergency-use authorization, with other countries expected to follow suit. Pfizer, in anticipation of the seemingly imminent and assured approval of their vaccine candidate, has already been manufacturing (https://twitter.com/eToro/status/1318611622714277890) hundreds of millions of doses of its vaccine for weeks and has received praise from governments and mainstream media alike for its self-reported claims (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-says-virus-vaccine-90percent-effective/ar-BB1aQ4mj) that its vaccine is 90 percent effective.
In particular, the success of the experimental mRNA mass vaccination program appears to hinge on the general population being unable to effectively articulate their concerns and objections. Whilst the mainstream media are quick to point out when somebody makes an error in how they believe the mRNA vaccine works, they don’t offer any further information than the official government line. Public distrust in vaccination programs is not the fault of those who don’t understand the way this brand-new technology works. Public distrust is all-pervasive because only one side of the argument is allowed to be heard. We do need to understand the technology involved, as there is a difference between mRNA vaccines and DNA vaccines.
Having a general understanding of the reason why someone should object to being given an experimental mRNA vaccine is necessary for creating a clear and coherent argument.
We are about to examine a subject that has been one of the most censored topics in the modern era. But now, more than ever before, we are in desperate need of the information that is being systematically hidden from the public. This article will be banned and attacked by those who believe we, the general public, shouldn’t know all the information about what they want to achieve from the coming mass global vaccinations. The reason for the current establishment’s unwillingness to speak about this subject leads to perhaps unnecessary suspicion. Such suspicions will never be dismissed via the currently employed tactic of smearing anyone who questions intentions. If governments worldwide want their populations to submit to these vaccinations, then they need to stop patronising people and speak honestly.
However, since that is unheard of, they will continue to employ coercive tactics, as they will be trying out a never-before-approved experimental method to boost the immune system by manipulating the process our DNA uses to signal for the creation of certain proteins, and we have little idea of what the long-term impact this brand-new therapeutic technology could have on our health. No politician, medical expert, or pharmaceutical representative is willing to accept responsibility for challenges that might be around the corner.
Many of the pharmaceutical companies researching potential coronavirus vaccines are using old methods. They take a proverbial pinch of the virus and infect your immune system at a very low and slow rate, allowing your body the time it needs to build up a natural immunological resistance to the illness. But developing those types of vaccines is a slow and arduous process, and the current leaders in the race to mass global vaccination are pharmaceutical companies using a radical new method that has never been tried before.
‘They are going to hack the cells in your body in order to make them into drug factories’, says Nathan Vardi,https://www.waccobb.net/forums/images/youtube.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h077V2x6SCk) a staff writer for Forbes, in a video titled Why Pfizer Is Betting Big on an Unproven Treatment for Covid-19, from March 2020. ‘The problem is with this approach’, Vardi admits, ‘is there’s never been an approved mRNA product’.
The various scientific explorations into the therapeutic applications of potential mRNA treatments are still in their infancy, but the method has been lauded as a potential solution to the treatment of cancer and infectious diseases, for protein replacement, and for gene therapy.
In January 2020, the de facto leader in the mRNA field was the pharmaceutical company Moderna, but—in the wake of Covid-19—other major companies began to focus on the mRNA method. Moderna was able to pioneer that method several years ago, thanks to funding largely provided by (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-takes-lead-chief-medical-officers-recent-promotion-gene-editing-vaccines/) the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Now, as 2020 draws to a close, the race to develop the winning Covid-19 vaccine is in full swing, and another Big Pharma company has seemingly beaten Moderna to the development of a supposedly effective mRNA vaccine, thanks to Pfizer teaming up with BioNTech, a small German company, to pip Moderna to the post. But, in this race to ‘save humanity’, there are bound to be pitfalls, especially when introducing completely new health technologies into mainstream use. Has Pfizer rung the finishing bell in this global race to end the current pandemic, or, instead, is it hurtling towards a disaster of epic proportions?
There are very informative scientific papers available from just before t (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32013049/)he pandemic began that give us an insight into this new mRNA technology. So here I’ll examine the DNA manipulating method, the vaccine, the people behind the research and development at BioNTech, but most important, I’ll examine Pfizer, and look at how the company has avoided accountability when things go wrong—and things do go wrong at Pfizer.
mRNA Vaccine Technology and How It Works
The vital interaction that mRNA has with our DNA has made selling mRNA vaccine technology extremely difficult for those who believe it’s the future of human medicine. The fact that it will alter the function of your DNA in your body has made many people suspicious of what unexpected horrors could arise through mass use of this new and experimental technique.
Unsurprisingly, the people marketing the vaccines have tried to downplay the aggressive and genetically manipulative nature of the treatment. In fairness, trying to explain the workings of such a complex new technology in plain English is exceedingly difficult. This is apparent when one listens to representatives of the mainstream media, who are often mealy mouthed when describing the biological processes that will take place when you receive the mRNA vaccine. But inability to articulate the technology isn’t surprising when you consider that part of your DNA, after breaking in two through a natural process, will then be combined with the experimental mRNA in a way that seems esoteric to many of us. It’s almost impossible to imagine such a process taking place in one’s own vulnerable biological system, in one’s DNA, the most precious building blocks of life that define your very existence.
After a preprogrammed strand of mRNA has merged with a naturally severed part of your DNA, it will request the production of a protein that should help trigger your immune system. In theory, this should boost your immune system and aid in the mass production of the proteins necessary to successfully fight the specific illness. The inserted messenger-RNA (thus, mRNA) should be relatively easy to design and programme as long as the scientists involved have the genetic coding for the infection it is to fight. In this case, the necessary data was released in January 2020 by the Chinese. Mild side effects to this process should be expected.
Although no extreme side effects were reported by Pfizer during the stage 3 testing of their mRNA vaccine, nearly every participant suffered mild symptoms, including swelling of the arm, irritation of the skin, and headaches, to name just a few. But, as we shall see, the information that Pfizer releases about its clinical trials and what happens in reality can be quite different.
I have just described the basic information you require for understanding how the coming mRNA vaccine works, but what I can’t describe to you is what happens in the long term. This form of therapeutic alternative has never been allowed or sanctioned before, aside from small clinical trials. There has never been an FDA-approved clinical trial for mRNA medicine because its usage comes with an abundance of ethical and moral questions and unknown possibilities.
At the same time, the utilisation of the mRNA method could also be one of the biggest leaps forward in technology ever recorded in human history. If we give the technology the benefit of the doubt and assume that it has no negative long-term side effects, then it is a potential treatment for almost every human illness on earth.
Opening this mRNA floodgate would mean normalising regular vaccinations for nearly every imaginable ailment. In the best-case scenario, you could be vaccinated against cancer, heart disease, diabetes, dementia and Alzheimer’s, and any other human ailment that derives from a fault in your DNA. In the worst-case scenario, you could be left dead or crippled like Pfizer’s victims in its experiments on Nigerian children during the late 1990s.
All that being said, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine has a major downside to it. Pfizer and Moderna have stated that their mRNA vaccines need to be kept at -70° C and -20° C, respectively, which is a significant logistical challenge. Without these extremely cold temperatures, the mRNA and combined nanoparticles will lose their integrity. There are no studies on the effect of poorly stored mRNA vaccines on the human body. In comparison, DNA vaccines are much easier to transport and store as they are much more stable molecules.
As we have seen, the potential for mRNA technology is boundless. If the vaccine is successful in normalising the process of gene editing for medicinal benefit, there will be pressure to continue editing genes in other ways. It isn’t hard to see that the technology could have cosmetic, medical, and military applications that could range from phosphorescent skin to military bioweapons beyond our imagination. That is the reason why the people behind this technology are reluctant to speak about its potential game-changing mRNA method, for it represents our first real steps into transhumanism.
Thank you for this interesting article. Added to bookmarkes
Goat Rock Ukulele
12-28-2020, 04:00 PM
2,000,000 vaccinated to date. Very few serious allergic reactions almost exclusively in people who are prone to allergic reactions, many of whom carry epipens with them. Infect those same 2,000,000 with Covid-19 and see what you get. Even at 1/4th of one percent that would be 50,000 dead. Not even taking into account the many times that who would suffer permanent harm.
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geomancer
01-19-2021, 08:06 PM
<yt-formatted-string force-default-style="" class="style-scope ytd-video-primary-info-renderer" style="word-break: break-word;">I've watched 1/3 of this video so far and found it to be quite interesting and informative</yt-formatted-string><yt-formatted-string force-default-style="" class="style-scope ytd-video-primary-info-renderer" style="word-break: break-word;">
COVID 19 Vaccine Deep Dive: Safety, Immunity, RNA Production, w Shane Crotty, PhD </yt-formatted-string>
Professor Shane Crotty, PhD answers a series of COVID 19 vaccine questions including what are the chances of long-term side effects? How safe is RNA vaccine (i.e. Pfizer / BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines) technology? How long does mRNA from a vaccine stay in our cells? What else goes in vaccines? How long does immunity last? Why are T-Cells so important? Why does Pfizer's vaccine need to stay SO cold?
Shane Crotty, PhD is a Professor at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology, Center for Infectious Disease and Vaccine Research, Crotty Lab. Professor Crotty also has an academic appointment with the University of California San Diago. See his full bio here: https://www.lji.org/labs/crotty/#over...
(https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lji.org%2Flabs%2Fcrotty%2F%23overview&v=eK0C5tFHze8&event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazZ2MjZCZzBIZUZaVHp5QkhqckNxMmt3dEk4UXxBQ3Jtc0ttcXItUVZmRXpHZVZBS1BXSUdtakNSQ3RfRmVsai1XTFBOcmZIb0dxcWp5UjhoMzg0MElWNDNXdlBSaS1pX2 FKMFFBcXdZQldJVGE0RjVIXzRaalRVNmVnNExJZ1JUQmQ5eldVc201UGxJdEs5alBGNA%3D%3D)
Professor Crotty on Twitter: https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fprofshanecrotty&v=eK0C5tFHze8&event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0MxN0x2TUxpUnluWHJGaWxnaWgzLXk0SzhhZ3xBQ3Jtc0ttQnVncThmTmNOM1JQU0Nsa1pGNjZEQ0xyeEM1VEJ0U0xxbC01MkVyeXh2dE5ITFo2VlR4d3JKSkF4QkFWME pxbDUyUW9MekxoUGtSdjY2V2JLbkY5Vk9TcUlIc2JMcnVkQ193Tk9HX3NrUWVVZS1uUQ%3D%3D)</https:>
pamelaL
01-19-2021, 09:42 PM
Do you know who funds Professor Crotty and his research? I did not find that info.
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kltkwmn~707
01-20-2021, 06:22 PM
Why any person who understands how the EXPERIMENTAL mRNA technologies are supposed to "work" (hack your DNA and replicate the unknown genetic sequences in the mRNA) and why anyone who also knows what ingredients are in so-called "vaccines" would be "excited" about being the subject of an experimental gene-therapy, I cannot comprehend.
Those who will allow this experimental therapy into their body via very shoddy informed consent are taking a high-risk to their health. But it is your choice to do this as an adult.
None of the sorcerers (bigpharma) who are ca$hing in on these unnecessary interventions are liable for any harm done by the 'therapies' they are offering.
Humans have very very sophisticated and highly highly intelligent immune systems (innate, adaptive and interferon) that have served us well over the last 200,000+ years. If this were not true, we would not even be here. We each have approx. 380Trillion so-called "viruses" (or are they "exosomes" communicating?) as well as 60Trillion bacteria INSIDE OF OUR BODIES! Some of these 'critters' are 4Billion years old (LUCA).
The current "SARS CoV-2 critter" was conceived In Silica, i.e. it is based upon utilizing CRISPR-like genetic sequencing pieced together in Frankenstein-like fashion.
If one understands the differences between Germ and Terrain theories, one would come to understand that we are an integral part of an ecology, both inside as well as outside of our bodies. The war-model relies on fear of outside invaders.
We live in a toxic environment and it's amazing that we are not dead, although sicknesses and dis-eases are on the rise. Could this be related to toxic environments we live in and toxic chemicals that we consume on a daily basis?
The so-called "vaccines" are a "Final Solution" as well as echo the fears that Sarah Palin spoke of: Death Panels.
Our fear of death has been hijacked and some of us are being pushed, by a media-blitz PR-campaign, to be afraid of fully living.
(not that I support lab animal experimentation)
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M/M
01-20-2021, 06:42 PM
My sense is that the excitement, at least in part, is related to wanting life to return to some semblance of normal - no masks, social distancing, shuttered businesses... This year - possibly very soon - will reveal whether that faith or hope is warranted ...or misplaced. The new species being 'discovered' are interesting in that regard.
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natural home
01-21-2021, 10:54 AM
Thnak you thank you.. A voice of reason in the midst of the hysteria is much appreciated. I don't do flu shots never have never will. I protect my body by eating well, creating healthy relationships, and dancing and singing often.
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elfrock
01-22-2021, 10:31 AM
Yes, there may be some risks to the vaccines - any vaccine. But for me the risks of COVID by far outweigh the risks of the vaccine.
Deborah Thayer
01-22-2021, 10:50 AM
still nothing but the injection site prick tenderness second day aft my first moderna covid vax---I was informed that the true effect isn't on until 2 weeks after the 2nd vax---like the shingles vax. The vax isn't an instant miracle... masks worn properly- space and hygiene still crucial for optimum safety--
In six weeks I'm looking forward to getting on to After Covid! FIRST HUMANS,TRY TO DO NO HARM---
Put kindness and respect back into humans doing----- toward human kind... like Maya said, "do the best you know how, when you know better--do better"---we are free to be conscious--when habituated toward co-existence
Jude Iam
01-22-2021, 08:31 PM
"I was informed that the true effect isn't on until 2 weeks after the 2nd vax"
... doctor died at 2 weeks -
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-miami-doctor-vaccine-death-20210107-afzysvqqjbgwnetcy5v6ec62py-story.html
18 days, when Hank Aron died.
i hope you're well, my dear.
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pamelaL
01-22-2021, 08:45 PM
Balanced vaccine Info from an Integrative medical doctor well known to our Santa Rosa office:
Dear Patients and Friends,
Difficult decisions must now be made about vaccinations. IF, WHICH ONE, AND WHEN? Decisions need to be made according to a careful assessment of risks and benefits.
While early data suggest the two mRNA vaccines work better than expected, safety is the big issue to grapple with. Please see below for my recommendations by age and risk group.
Receiving the vaccine is a personal choice, and access has been prioritized primarily based on age and comorbidities in order to protect the most vulnerable populations. If you are young, I strongly discourage it. If you are middle-aged and healthy, I discourage it. If you are in older age groups and/or have comorbidities, I recommend to take a personal risk assessment, consider the best vaccine option for you and seriously begin to explore all options. Of course, there are many variables to consider, such as living in a household with high-risk individuals, which can change your individual assessment of risk/benefit.
If you can, I would prefer that people wait for the more standard vaccine, such as the AstraZeneca vaccine.
If you feel you never want to take a vaccine, then call our office to help you assess your risk and develop a long-term protection strategy.
Current COVID-19 VaccinesApproved in USA:
Pfizer/BioNTech – Pfizer/BioNTech have developed BTN162b2, an mRNA vaccine given in two doses by injection to protect against COVID-19.
Moderna – Moderna’s vaccine candidate, mRNA-1273, is an mRNA based vaccine given in two injections and works similarly to Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
Not Yet Approved in USA:
AstraZeneca – Unlike Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford’s vaccine candidate, AZD1222, is an adenoviral based vaccine given in two injections.
Safety of the Current mRNA VaccinesBrand new vaccine technology- vaccine controversies
No messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine has ever been approved for any disease
No published, peer-reviewed human data to compare to for more common vaccine technology
No animal studies
Known and unknown complications
No proof that the vaccine stops transmission of the virus
Unknown duration of effects and immunity
Reports of allergic reaction, anaphylaxis and death
Common side effects from vaccines, including those from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, include pain at injection site, fever, and headache. These typically resolve quickly; however more serious side effects are being reported.
During a two-week period in December 2020, the CDC reported over 4,000 adverse events in the US after administration of the Pfizer vaccine. Of those, 175 were identified as possible cases of severe allergic reaction and 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of the first dose of the vaccine. Although the rate of adverse events is low (roughly 11 in 1 million), there are still some serious concerns.
Allergic Reactions Including Anaphylaxis After Receipt of the First Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/6753920447283200/6112958601756672)
Norway has recently reported deaths among elderly people who received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in addition to allergic and anaphylaxis side effects. Of 42,000 people given the vaccine in mid-January 2021, there were 33 reported deaths. All those who died were over the age of 75 years old and were associated with fever, nausea and diarrhea. Health authorities of Norway say there is no evidence of a direct link between these deaths and the vaccine but have observed common and allergic reactions. Germany has experienced a similar scenario with cases of elderly people dying shortly after vaccination.
What To Know About Vaccine-Related Deaths Allergies (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/5179401735634944/6112958601756672)
Recently, the death of a "very healthy, 56-year-old man" in the US has made headlines in relation to the COVID-19 vaccine. On January 6, 2021 USA Today first reported the death of Dr. Gregory Michael, a OBGYN physician in Florida weeks after receiving the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. He reportedly died from a stroke after developing a condition called thrombocytopenia (Immune Thrombocytopenic Purpura). Immune Thrombocytopenia caused by immunizations is not a new thing. In fact, numerous studies have documented it in relation to various vaccines.
Vaccine Administration and the Development of Immune Thrombocytopenic Purpura in Children (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/4717887635456000/6112958601756672)
Association Between Drug and Vaccine Use and Acute Immune Thrombocytopenia in Childhood: A Case-Control Study in Italy (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/6215901973708800/6112958601756672)
Thrombocytopenia After Tetanus Vaccination (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/4766205589716992/6112958601756672)
Vaccination-Associated Relapse of Immune Thrombocytopenia (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/5008861544710144/6112958601756672)
It is unclear if this death was directly caused by the Pfizer vaccine.
More recently, California health officials investigated a possible bad batch of Moderna vaccines, but no justification for resuming treatment was provided.
Potential for Creating More Severe or Lethal Disease?Concern has risen regarding the potential for the COVID-19 vaccines to 'pathogenically prime' your immune system and contribute to eliciting a condition called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), also known as Immune Enhancement Disease.
Pathogenic priming is a scenario in which a vaccine primes the immune system, but in a manner that has deleterious effects. A person gets the vaccine and develops antibodies which indicate an immune response; however, when the person encounters the virus in nature, the person becomes sicker.
ADE occurs when a suboptimal antibody, such as one created by a vaccine, binds with an active virus, in nature, and instead of preventing infection, results in an enhancement of the ability of the virus to enter cells! Such anti-bodies created by a vaccine have the potential to amplify infection instead of preventing it.
ADE has been observed in numerous viruses including Coronaviruses and is suspected to be responsible for the side effects observed in animal studies that halted development of the top 2002 SARS vaccine candidates. At the time vaccine studies in animals were wildly promising and showed dramatic anti-body response to the candidates. However, allergic reactions were documented and when the vaccinated animals were challenged with the virus, they became seriously ill.
Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary iImmunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/6242770316034048/6112958601756672)
In addition, pathogenic priming and ADE is thought to be responsible for numerous deaths in response to RSV vaccinations of children in the 1960s and vaccinations for Dengue Fever in the Philippines in 2014.
Contraindications to COVID-19 Vaccines:The CDC has developed a list of contraindications and precautions regarding the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. A history of any of the following is contraindicated and these patients should NOT receive the vaccine.
Severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) after a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or any of its components
Immediate allergic reaction of any severity to a previous dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine or any of its components (including polyethylene glycol [PEG])
Immediate allergic reaction of any kind to polysorbate (due to potential cross-reactive hypersensitivity with the vaccine ingredient PEG)
COVID Effects on Different Age GroupsFor younger populations, COVID is less of a problem than the standard flu, at least for the overwhelming majority of youth.
Center of Disease Control Age Group Data: 2/1/2020 – 01/13/2021
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Group:
Age:
Number of Deaths:
% of Total COVID Deaths:
I
≤24
620
0.2%
II
25-54
21,300
6.5%
III
55-64
38,830
11.8%
IV
65-74
70,230
21.3%
V
≥75
196,417
59.6%
</tbody>
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/4898165003780096/6112958601756672)
80.9% of all COVID-19 deaths are of ages 65 and over. Only 6% of COVID-19 deaths were recorded in people with no co-morbid conditions, and the average patient that died had 2.6 co-morbid conditions.
Similar age-related trends are seen with hospitalization data.
https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.anataramedicine.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F01%2Femail-covidf-vaccine-chart1.png&t=1611364250&ymreqid=b390e2b0-259d-f784-2fe8-6500be01ce00&sig=Ny1vb90u36KzSan5GheVJw--~Dhttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html (https://te665.infusion-links.com/api/v1/click/6223767468113920/6112958601756672)
Recommendations
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Age (years)
Recommendation
Reason
0 to 15
Not Approved
Not authorized for use
16 to 19
Strongly discourage
Extremely low risk from COVID
20 to 50
Strongly discourage
Extremely low risk from COVID
51 to 69 - Healthy
Strongly discourage
Low risk from COVID
51 to 69 - Comorbidities
Consider/Explore
More safety data are pending. Age group with moderate death rates for COVID.
>70 - Healthy
Consider/Explore
More safety data are pending. Age group with high death rates for COVID.
>70 - Comorbidities
Consider/Explore
More safety data are pending. Age group with highest death rates for COVID.
</tbody>
Due to yet unknown safety concerns of the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, unless there is urgency needed, I am recommending other preventative options including waiting for the non-mRNA vaccine by AstraZeneca. However, the AstraZeneca vaccine will not likely become approved until mid-February at earliest and with distribution and expanded access taking some time.
If you have any questions, Please contact our office at 1(888) 453-6825 to schedule a telemedicine consultation for Dr. Herskowitz’s recommendation for you individually.
These personal recommendations are based on information that I currently have. I certainly suggest that any patient consider these as general recommendations, and that they speak with their own primary doctor about their own personal risks before receiving any flu vaccinations.
Sincerely,
Dr. Ahvie Herskowitz
pamelaL
01-23-2021, 05:35 PM
If you want to get the vaccine, I do hope you wait for the good one made here in the USA that was made in the normal fashion vaccines are made and gone through a few trials not on you! Buyer beware of this messengerRNA "vaccine" - hang in there and be patient if you want the shot, do the best thing for your one and only precious body, get the actual vaccine in time.
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caromia333
01-23-2021, 05:55 PM
I highly recommend reading the actual ingredients in vaccines.
Here's a complete list. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
The reason many of the vaccines contain aluminum, formaldehyde, mercury and other toxic substances - is that they create an immediate immune response in your body. Sadly many people have been injured or even died.
You can track injuries and deaths with US governments data on this website medalerts.org
Because we are all unique with different biological responses, we all respond differently to these vaccines (one size does not fit all) -most of the ingredients have been classified as known carcinogens.
I think its very important to know what you are taking. Your choice but educate yourself.
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wisewomn
01-23-2021, 06:29 PM
Thanks for providing this information, Caromia.
My understanding is that the COVID vaccines are a complete departure from all previous vaccines: m-RNA vaccines. Do you have a list of their ingredients? Thanks.
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wisewomn
01-23-2021, 06:55 PM
PamelaL, do you have any further info on this US vaccine, like the name and/or the release date? Thanks.
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caromia333
01-23-2021, 07:03 PM
Because these are for profit medical technologies - it has been difficult for me to get all the contents. Many MDs are raising concerns about the mRNA technology and polyethylene glycol. “The RNA is packaged in a similar manner in both vaccines, which requires the use of polyethylene glycol, the chemical suspected to induce allergic reactions in a few patients who had an allergic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine,” Sanjeev Jain, MD, PhD (https://columbiaallergy.com/team/sanjeev-jain-md-phd-facaai/), board-certified allergist and immunologist at Columbia Allergy based on the West Coast, tells Verywell. The mRNA is EXPERIMENTAL and we have yet to understand the long term side effects of it in the human body. We can only look at other vaccines to understand the history of issues associated with them.
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wisewomn
01-23-2021, 07:23 PM
To date the Astrazeneca vaccine is only 70% effective against Covid-19, as published in the Lancet.
Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine efficacy - The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext)
Covid-19 vaccine: Latest updates on Oxford, Moderna and Pfizer breakthroughs - and who will get it first? (telegraph.co.uk) (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/0/covid-19-vaccine-news-updates-latest-oxford-astrazeneca-moderna-pfizer/)
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are in the mid-90% effective against Covid-19. How the Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines compare - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) (https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-12-15/how-the-covid-19-vaccines-from-moderna-and-pfizer-compare-head-to-head)
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M/M
01-23-2021, 09:04 PM
This article (if link holds-having morphed twice) looks at just what is known re: 'coat' in mRNA agents. These are untested over the long-term:
https://thewallwillfall.org/𝗕𝗶𝗼𝗡𝗧𝗲𝗰𝗵-𝘃𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗲/ (https://thewallwillfall.org/헕헶헼헡헧헲헰헵-혃헮헰헰헶헻헲/)
I will post other information about nanotechnology - in conspiracy thread. This technology is unfortunately quite advanced and in use more than we imagine.
“We’re underselling the vaccine,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.
“It’s going to save your life — that’s where the emphasis has to be right now,” Dr. Peter Hotez of the Baylor College of Medicine said.
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are “essentially 100 percent effective against serious disease,” Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said. “It’s ridiculously encouraging.”
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Here’s my best attempt at summarizing what we know:
The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines — the only two approved in the U.S. — are among the best vaccines ever created, with effectiveness rates of about 95 percent after two doses. That’s on par with the vaccines for chickenpox and measles. And a vaccine doesn’t even need (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/rotavirus/hcp/about-vaccine.html#:~:text=Vaccine%20Effectiveness%20and%20Duration%20of%20Protection,-RotaTeq%C2%AE%20(RV5&text=Two%20clinical%20trials%20found%20Rotarix,hospitalizations%20through%20two%20rotavirus%20seasons.) to be so effective to reduce cases sharply and crush a pandemic.
If anything, the 95 percent number understates the effectiveness (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/absolutely-remarkable-no-one-who-got-modernas-vaccine-trial-developed-severe-covid-19), because it counts anyone who came down with a mild case of Covid-19 as a failure. But turning Covid into a typical flu — as the vaccines evidently did for most of the remaining 5 percent — is actually a success. Of the 32,000 people who received the Moderna (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions) or Pfizer (https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions) vaccine in a research trial, do you want to guess how many contracted a severe Covid case? One.
Although no rigorous study has yet analyzed whether vaccinated people can spread the virus, it would be surprising if they did. “If there is an example of a vaccine in widespread clinical use that has this selective effect — prevents disease but not infection — I can’t think of one!” Dr. Paul Sax (https://www.nejm.org/covid-vaccine/faq) of Harvard has written in The New England Journal of Medicine. (And, no, exclamation points are not common in medical journals.) On Twitter, Dr. Monica Gandhi (https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1347988651179798530) of the University of California, San Francisco, argued: “Please be assured that YOU ARE SAFE after vaccine from what matters — disease and spreading.”
The risks for vaccinated people are still not zero, because almost nothing in the real world is zero risk. A tiny percentage of people may have allergic reactions. And I’ll be eager to see what the studies on post-vaccination spread eventually show. But the evidence so far suggests that the vaccines are akin to a cure.
Deborah Thayer
01-24-2021, 12:08 PM
Still no ill effects from my first Moderna vax on Jan 20, 2021---just glad to be on deck for the next one---toward AFTER COVID--
the new A.C.
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wisewomn
01-24-2021, 01:18 PM
The m-RNA vaccines have been studied for well over 10 years. They are not something that was recently pulled out of a hat.
Going on 20 years actually and they have NEVER ever been able to make it past the animal study phase. What happened when animals contracted real virus in wild after being vaccinated - too many died. What did CDC / FDA do... allowed the technocrats to bypass animal studies entirely and experiment directly in humans.
That said, I do truly hope that everyone who has placed their faith in these agents remains healthy and thriving. :heart:
I do not want anyone to be harmed, which has been the whole point of my posting what others have fought long and hard to bring to public's awareness -- often at great cost to themselves.
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wisewomn
01-24-2021, 01:39 PM
Got links from reputable sources? Thanks.
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M/M
01-24-2021, 01:53 PM
There are plenty throughout Conspiracy thread; though I suspect you won't consider them 'reputable.'
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wisewomn
01-24-2021, 01:53 PM
Yes, your link went to "Oops! This page can't be found."
I did, however, find this:
'Conspiracy Theorist' Vanessa Beeley Faces Backlash As Universities Cancel Her 'Journalism' Talks | HuffPost UK (huffingtonpost.co.uk) (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-canada-tour_uk_5dea2ac7e4b0d50f32b1c802?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGqd__Ji3PLnd6HcmOJ_n4KuAVzwS4s474DaSLV_d2pZdiZo55JuEH6gnbKaflcqkZyI9DvO8kb1NRUIjA9qfiZpwIXZ4Sv0l5YvC4PeX-idm42NmsoZcxYFpyFqAsCJGVLEQeWPheOye_nlnGcojTlIF_E1VekWBzIQ633Je8Jv)
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M/M
01-24-2021, 02:02 PM
People are scared and abandon truth-tellers quickly... Vanessa Beeley has more integrity in small finger - let alone her reporting - than most. She however was hosting articles by someone else et cetera.
https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/01/23/
after that link: type in:BioNTech-vaccine if that remains in web address, it should bring you to article.
Makia also wrote this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/mrna-covid-vaccine-not-vaccine/5734464
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geomancer
01-24-2021, 02:26 PM
I'm not naming anyone, but there are several people on WACCO who are pushing Russian-style disinformation to the effect that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus. You are doing active harm to the body politic. Meanwhile, the crematoria in LA are burning overtime under relaxed air-pollution rules.
"All from air, into air
Let the misty curtains part,
All is ended, all is done,
What has been must now be gone . . ."
Party on dudes, party on.
M/M
01-24-2021, 02:50 PM
pushing Russian-style disinformation to the effect that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus. You are doing active harm to the body politic
We are each entitled to believe what Life has taught and continues to teach us. I sure hope that we'll all know very soon what is fact and big-R Reality...
The division, tension, blame, accusations of 'harm' -- when discussing ideas -- are hardly 'fun' or a 'party'... for me anyway; and I believe views contrary to yours et al are also posted in an effort to prevent harm..
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pamelaL
01-24-2021, 03:13 PM
I would not say the virus is more dangerous than the vaccine, but I would say the virus can be treated because I've seen that with mine own eyes. I would also say it is very likely prevented altogether with a combination of simple supplements anyone can get OTC. Whether or not the chronic fall-out from a memoryRNA "vaccine" can be ameliorated later is a total unknown. The reported sequela from the virus is something I have not yet seen demonstrated as well, not even in the covid positive patients we have treated. I am skeptical of all things governed by the profiteers....
I did read a study of patients who became ill enough with covid they were hospitalized, and those with Vitamin D levels 30 and above never got so acute they needed ICU, while those with low levels did. As far as incinerating bodies in LA goes, I have not heard that on the news, but I do not subscribe to media that is funded by pharma. It is sad that the profiteers have so undermined our health care system; sadder still that fear has been so promulgated in our culture, and businesses are shuttering on main streets all over the world. Be patient and wait for the better vaccine if you seek a vaccine is still my best advice, and good luck.
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caromia333
01-24-2021, 03:54 PM
here's the deaths and injuries so far from the vaccine
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines DO NOT HACK YOUR CELLS DNA!!! Contrary to assertions, it won’t turn you or anyone else into a GMO. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are. It does not enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. That cell destroys the mRNA after it has been read. There are viruses that can attach to your DNA and damage it (HPV, HIV are a few) Covid is not one of them nor are the vaccines.
There is a lot of BS info being posted about these two vaccines. About .....oh no mRNA. Guess what most vaccines use mRNA. The J & J vaccine uses a cold virus AD26 to insert DNA stands into certain of your cells. Those DNA strands produce mRNA which instructs the machinery of that cell to produce the spikes of Covid-19. Is this better or are you going to be terrified of that as well? Or what about the Astra Zeneca/ Oxford vaccine. They use a chimpanzee virus to inject the portion of Covid RNA that produces the mRNA that in turn causes your cells to produce the spiked protein.
The major difference between the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccine (next one coming) is the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not use a virus to insert the mRNA instructions into certain of your muscle cells they use fatty acids to attach to muscle cells in your arm. They also skip the step of inserting the DNA strands that produce the mRNA.
One should keep in mind that Covid and every virus you have ever had that you are aware of and the hundreds you likely were unaware of because they didn't make you sick use mRNA to replicate in your cells. The difference between the virus and the vaccines is the virus can replicated a complete version of itself in your cells and the vaccines can not and are limited by dose and ability to only replicate the virus spikes.
geomancer
01-24-2021, 04:21 PM
FYI, Pamela. I've also read that the mortality rate for severe COVID-19 has doubled because the glut of patients has stressed the health-care system to the breaking point.
Cremation Limits Lifted In LA Due To 'Backlog' As COVID-19 Deaths Skyrocket
The South Coast Air Quality Management District said in a press release (http://www.aqmd.gov/docs/default-source/news-archive/2021/emergency-order-for-crematoriums-jan17-2021.pdf) Sunday that it is suspending certain permit conditions for crematoriums at the request of the county's medical-examiner coroner and public health department. Crematorium permits typically carry limits based on potential air quality impacts, but can be suspended during a state of emergency.
"The current rate of death is more than double that of pre-pandemic years, leading to hospitals, funeral homes, and crematoriums exceeding capacity without the ability to process the backlog of cases," officials said.
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As of Jan. 15, more than 2,700 bodies were being stored at hospitals and the coroner's office, according to the order. It adds that the county's 28 crematoriums have the "resources and capability" to perform more cremations than regulatory limits allow.
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pamelaL
01-24-2021, 04:29 PM
Unfortunately, the vaers database is woefully inadequate regarding reported vaccine injuries; to wit, people dying 18 days after the administration of the vaccine that are not considered related to the vaccine.The following is from Kennedy's The Defender January 24th issue: it is free to anyone who wants to subscribe; news that is generally censored by the main stream, and has taken a clear turn to positive headlines since the admin. change in this country.
As health officials strive to brush off as “coincidences (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/death-by-coincidence/?itm_term=home)” the mounting number of deaths (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/china-health-experts-suspension-covid-vaccines-norway/) and other serious adverse reactions (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/thousands-covid-vaccine-injuries-13-deaths-reported-december/) occurring worldwide in connection with Pfizer’s (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-covid-vaccine-questions-safety/) and Moderna’s (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/california-health-officials-pause-moderna-vaccine-batch-allergic-reactions/) experimental mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-19-vaccine-news), the need for independent scrutiny of vaccine safety data has never been more apparent.
A new peer-reviewed study (https://f1000research.com/articles/9-1176) about adverse events following immunization (AEFI) and the measles-mumps-rubella-varicella (MMRV) vaccine brings home the urgent need for independent research.
The study, published by two northern Italian researchers on an open access (https://f1000research.com/) platform suggests that most existing safety monitoring systems, whether in Italy or the U.S., are “utterly inadequate to document the real incidence of serious AEFIs and that current methods of assessing [vaccine-related] causality may be questioned.”
The study also reveals how an unbiased reanalysis of adverse event data puts the lie to the “reassuring conclusions” officials like to disseminate about vaccine safety.
Scrutinizing the existing data Italy made MMRV vaccination compulsory (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30062378/) for young children in 2017. In their 2021 open access study (https://f1000research.com/articles/9-1176), Italian researchers Paolo Bellavite and Alberto Donzelli indirectly assess the impact of this policy by examining the incidence of MMRV-related AEFI as reported to or studied by Italy’s pharmacovigilance system.
Bellavite and Donzelli note that while Italy’s vaccine surveillance “is mainly of the ‘passive’ type” (characterized, as in the U.S. (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-david-kessler-covid-vaccine-vaers/), by vast underreporting), it also includes occasional “active vigilance” studies.
Bellavite and Donzelli summarize the findings (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963278/) of one such study, conducted in the region of Apulia in 2017 and 2018. The Apulia study’s university- and health-department-based researchers asked the parents of more than 2,500 children to keep diaries for three weeks post-MMRV-vaccination. The researchers then followed up with phone calls and review of relevant hospitalization records.
The Apulia researchers detected 992 post-MMRV adverse events among the 2,149 children for whom they were able to complete the three-week telephone follow-up — an AEFI reporting rate of 462 events per 1000 enrolled children. One hundred nine of the 992 adverse events (11%) met World Health Organization (WHO) criteria classifying them as “serious,” meaning fatal or life-threatening; requiring intervention or hospitalization; or causing persistent disability or incapacity.
The most common serious adverse events experienced by young MMRV recipients in Apulia were hyperpyrexia (very high fever in excess of 106°F — a medical emergency), neurological symptoms (including balance disorders and agitation), gastrointestinal problems and thrombocytopenia (abnormally low platelet levels). All of the adverse events are listed as side effects in the package insert (https://www.fda.gov/media/75195/download) for the Merck-manufactured MMRV vaccine (brand name ProQuad) as well as in the inserts for a number of other childhood and adult vaccines (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/read-the-fine-print-part-two-nearly-400-adverse-reactions-listed-in-vaccine-package-inserts/). (Notably, the healthy 56-year-old Florida doctor who recently died (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/johns-hopkins-scientist-medical-certainty-pfizer-vaccine-caused-death-florida-doctor/) after getting Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender_category/covid/) vaccine developed an ultimately fatal form of thrombocytopenia three days after vaccination.)
The MMRV insert also lists dozens of other post-vaccination reactions (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/read-the-fine-print-part-two-nearly-400-adverse-reactions-listed-in-vaccine-package-inserts/), including anaphylaxis, febrile seizures, muscle and joint pain, arthritis, bleeding disorders, autoimmune problems and serious infections, including both measles and varicella (chickenpox)!
The next step for the Apulia investigators was to apply the WHO’s causality assessment algorithm to their findings. According to the inflexible and somewhat paradoxical WHO criteria (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6039921/), “Only reactions that have previously been acknowledged in epidemiological studies to be caused by the vaccine are classified as a vaccine-product-related-reaction. New serious adverse reactions that emerge post-licensure “are labelled as ‘coincidental deaths/events’ or ‘unclassifiable.’”
Even so, the Apulia study showed that 82 of 109 serious adverse reactions displayed a causal association “consistent with MMRV immunization.” This translates to 38 serious adverse events per 1,000 children enrolled — or one in 26.
In the U.S., which relies almost exclusively on passive surveillance (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-david-kessler-covid-vaccine-vaers/), the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS (https://www.medalerts.org/)) has received 13,382 reports of MMRV-related adverse events since the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved ProQuad (https://wayback.archive-it.org/7993/20170723150912/https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm123799.htm) in 2005 — an average of 836 reported incidents annually over the 16 years.
VAERS classifies roughly one in 20 of these (4.7%) as “serious,” including 19 deaths. Over the same time frame (that is, since 2005), VAERS accumulated another 40,070 reports of adverse events following MMR vaccination (2,500 annually on average), with one in 10 categorized as serious.
A 2016 FDA study that looked at 204 VAERS reports (through 2014) for infants who, largely due to “vaccination errors,” received the MMR or MMRV vaccines before nine months of age (https://journals.lww.com/pidj/Fulltext/2016/08000/Adverse_Events_After_MMR_or_MMRV_Vaccine_in.15.aspx) (rather than at the recommended 12 to 15 months of age) found that nearly one in six of the reported adverse events (17%) were serious.
Critiquing the spin Knowledgeable experts have roundly criticized (https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2268/rr-0) the WHO algorithm for being biased toward rejecting vaccine-related causality (describing the algorithm as being “not fit for purpose”).
Thus, the fact that there was one serious WHO-confirmed adverse event for every 26 enrolled children should have been extremely noteworthy.
Apparently, the Apulia researchers did not think so. As Bellavite and Donzelli note, though the Apulia study was unique in applying WHO causality assessment methods to comprehensive active surveillance data, the investigators vastly downplayed their own results, describing serious AEFIs as “absolutely rare” and reporting (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6963278/) that “the active surveillance program confirmed and reinforced the safety profile of the [MMRV] vaccine.”
Bellavite and Donzelli dispute this tame characterization of the Apulia findings, explaining the following:
An AEFI rate of 38 per 1000 — one in 26 — should appropriately be classified as “common” rather than “absolutely rare.”
Apulia’s active surveillance data, when compared with Italian health authorities’ passive surveillance data, show a MMRV-related rate of serious AEFIs “hundreds of times higher than expected.”
Comparing the serious AEFIs that showed a consistent MMRV-related causal association (as per the WHO algorithm) to the Italian Medicines Agency’s passive surveillance data reveals an even greater “977 times difference.”
The frequency of serious, MMRV-related neurological and gastrointestinal symptoms identified through active surveillance — which stands out in comparison to the incidence documented in the literature and passive surveillance systems — should be interpreted as a safety signal.
Projecting the AEFI rate of 38 per 1000 onto an Italian birth cohort would yield “tens of thousands of serious AEFIs.”
In the U.S., the FDA (https://journals.lww.com/pidj/Fulltext/2016/08000/Adverse_Events_After_MMR_or_MMRV_Vaccine_in.15.aspx) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers maintain (https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/7450) that neither the MMR nor MMRV vaccines display “any major safety concerns,” despite the thousands of adverse events reported each year and the vast iceberg of additional adverse reactions that go unreported (https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf).
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U.S. regulators’ nonchalance is further contradicted by a U.S. government study estimating that one of every 39 vaccines administered (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-injuries-ratio-one-for-every-39-vaccines-administered/) results in vaccine injury.
Bellavite and Donzelli also call attention to other considerations typically ignored or overlooked by researchers for whom a “confirmed” vaccine safety profile is the a priori conclusion — considerations that are as pertinent in the U.S. as they are in Italy. For example:
Studies focusing on vaccine-related adverse events should take into account each and all rounds of vaccination. The Apulia research was limited to reactions following the first MMRV injection only.
Vaccine safety surveillance rarely (if ever) accounts for administration of multiple vaccines at one time, yet the same-day injection of the MMRV and hepatitis A vaccines in Italy — and multiple combination vaccines in one healthcare visit in the U.S. — could be a factor contributing to elevated AEFI rates.
In persons with underlying genetic susceptibilities or a concomitant infectious or inflammatory disease, vaccination “can act as a synergistic or triggering factor” and should not be discounted when considering causality.
Drawing appropriate conclusions Overall, Bellavite and Donzelli are unsparing in their critique of the systems usually relied on to monitor vaccine safety. Discussing “the inadequacy of passive surveillance to represent the real incidence (https://f1000research.com/articles/9-1176) of even short-term AEFIs, both of mild and serious kind,” they recommend directing more resources toward active surveillance of representative samples of the population, while also continuing to collect spontaneous reports through passive surveillance to capture “rare events that active surveillance would have little chance to intercept.”
These and other recommendations, articulated (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/congress-gets-vaccine-safety-project-details-including-actions-needed-for-sound-science-and-transparency/) by Children’s Health Defense (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/) and many others, have fallen on deaf ears in the U.S.
More broadly, the Italian authors emphasize the fundamental principles of vaccine choice and informed consent, stating that “the choice of whether to vaccinate or not [is] a choice that must be made by the patient or by parents of underage children, properly advised by their doctors.”
They also noted how vaccine mandates (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccine-mandates-an-erosion-of-civil-rights-chd-e-book-available-now/) alter doctors’ roles and turn them into “public officer[s] enforcing the government’s decisions.” Americans who are leery of experimental COVID-19 (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender_category/big-pharma/)vaccines — and the improbable fairy tales being spun (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/death-by-coincidence/) about the vaccines’ risk-benefit calculus — would likely agree with the Italians’ conclusions. The principle of informed consent cannot be satisfied “by a generic statement of a ‘safe profile’ or ‘lack of worrying signals,’” particularly when researchers ignore evidence of serious adverse effects in a significant percentage of vaccine recipients.
Percentage of hospitalized COVID-19 patients dying in L.A. County doubles
That’s according to an analysis (http://file.lacounty.gov/SDSInter/dhs/1101745_COVID-19ProjectionPublicUpdateLewis01.20.21English_7_.pdf) released Wednesday by the county’s Department of Health Services, which found that the share of people who died of the disease while hospitalized increased from about 1 in 8 people in September and October to roughly 1 in 4 since early November.
The increased percentage of deaths coincide with a devastating spike in L.A. County’s death toll. In early November, when the current coronavirus surge began, there were fewer than 20 COVID-19 deaths per day, on average. But over the weeklong period that ended Wednesday, there were roughly 206 deaths reported each day, according to data (https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/los-angeles-county/) compiled by The Times.
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Dr. Roger Lewis, director of COVID-19 hospital demand modeling for the L.A. County Department of Health Services, said the increased percentage of deaths is a result of hospitals being so crowded (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-06/l-a-county-hospitals-are-losing-the-battle-against-covid-19) that only the sickest patients are being admitted.
Because hospitalized COVID-19 patients are now uniformly more severely ill, a greater percentage of them are dying.
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pamelaL
01-24-2021, 04:38 PM
sadly...Richard...I started to loose faith in NPR during the Kerry vs Bush campaign, but totally lost faith when I listened to Amy Goodman speak in person about how they are told what they can and cannot say on air.... and that was some years ago now. I think the public only believes we own NPR, look to see who the meg-bucks donors are for a hint as to who really "owns" NPR; corporations, banks etc....
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caromia333
01-24-2021, 04:42 PM
Many of us have been long time financial supporters of NPR and rely on their fair and unbiased reporting of the news. NPR cannot provide this if they accept money from corporate interests that are known to use their money to influence the organizations to which they give. Koch Industries is notorious for influencing organizations in a way that only benefits them and the ultra wealthy at the cost of our citizens and our planet. Their primary industry is big oil and they have worked to bring down alternative energy industries. The bias of NPR became very clear in NPR's reporting on the North Dakota pipeline. The focus was not on the native americans protecting their land and water, but instead portrayed them as violent and as criminals.
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geomancer
01-24-2021, 04:58 PM
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People are scared and abandon truth-tellers quickly... Vanessa Beeley has more integrity in small finger - let alone her reporting - than most. She however was hosting articles by someone else et cetera.
https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/01/23/
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Vanessa Beeley is an apologist for Putin's other puppet Saddam Assad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Beeley
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after that link: type in:BioNTech-vaccine if that remains in web address, it should bring you to article.
Makia also wrote this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/mrna-c...accine/5734464
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Ahh, GlobalResearch! Rational Wiki has this to say about them:
Globalresearch is an "anti-Western (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Western)" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moonbat) equivalent to Infowars (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Infowars) or WND (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/WND). While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Science), economics (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Economics), and geopolitics (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Geopolitics) is conspiracist (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) — if something goes wrong, the <s>Jews (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Jewish_Conspiracy)</s> West didit (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Didit)! The site has long been a crank magnet (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crank_magnet): If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11 (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11), or HAARP (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HAARP), or vaccines (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-vaccination_movement), or H1N1 (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/H1N1), or climate change (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Climate_change), or anythingpublished by the "mainstream" media (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mainstream_media), then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
geomancer
01-24-2021, 05:16 PM
I also quit listening to NPR many years ago. In this case, they were reporting the South Coast Air Quality Management District's press release (the link is in the part I quoted):
South Coast AQMD Issues Emergency Order for Crematoriums due to COVID-19
DIAMOND BAR—Today, the South Coast Air Quality Management District (South Coast AQMD) issued an Emergency Order (Order) to temporarily suspend certain permit conditions for crematories in Los Angeles County to assist with the backlog caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.
South Coast AQMD permits for crematoriums contain limits on the number of human remains that may be cremated each month, based on potential air quality impacts. The current rate of death is more than double that of pre-pandemic years, leading to hospitals, funeral homes, and crematoriums exceeding capacity without the ability to process the backlog of cases. The Los Angeles County Medical-Examiner Coroner (ME-Coroner) and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health have requested that South Coast AQMD suspend limits on cremations in order to protect public health and to respond to the current emergency.
The Order applies to crematories in Los Angeles County and other facilities that have an agreement with the ME- Coroner. Facilities are required to submit an email notice to the South Coast AQMD Emergency Relief Mailbox ([email protected]) with intent to exceed permit limits. Additional requirements are listed in the Order which can be found here.
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M/M
01-24-2021, 05:18 PM
No one is perfect... Things slip in, but overall integrity is quite fine from our Canadian neighbor.
Bob D once sang... 'You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you'... One way we can do that is by looking up other people's opinions of other people, rather than forming our own.
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podfish
01-24-2021, 06:14 PM
Many of us have been long time financial supporters of NPR and rely on their fair and unbiased reporting of the news. NPR cannot provide this if they accept money from corporate interests that are known to use their money to influence the organizations to which they give. KNPR has several problems, but excessive bias in favor of their contributors doesn't seem to be one of them. Far more problematic is their tendency to shape stories to fit their format. Steve Inskeep is the worst, often partly ignoring what his interviewee actually says and restating it in a form that clearly fits the story he already had in mind. Another thing to notice - how often they say, "in the ten seconds remaining, tell me...".
I think they do try to be fair, but they're not very good at seeking out or following up unexpected information.
podfish
01-24-2021, 06:20 PM
We are each entitled to believe what Life has taught.. hey, you're gonna believe what you're gonna believe. So I guess that fits the definition of 'entitled' - it's not possible to stop people from believing anything. Just look at all the people who invaded the capitol recently. Their firmly-held beliefs are well publicized. Of course, we all know why our beliefs make sense, despite how firmly other people hold on to ones that don't.
geomancer
01-31-2021, 09:47 AM
By doing "harm to the body politic," this is an example of what I mean. Not only are they refusing the vaccine, but they are actively preventing others from getting it. Meanwhile, the crematoria are burning overtime in LA.
Dodger Stadium’s COVID-19 vaccination site temporarily shut down after protesters gather at entrance
A post on social media described the demonstration as the “Scamdemic Protest/March.” It advised participants to “please refrain from wearing Trump/MAGA attire as we want our statement to resonate with the sheeple. No flags but informational signs only.
“This is a sharing information protest and march against everything COVID, Vaccine, PCR Tests, Lockdowns, Masks, Fauci, Gates, Newsom, China, digital tracking, etc.”
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M/M
01-31-2021, 10:50 AM
Stories meant to terrify. Maybe consider less frightening information:
Doctors Slash COVID-19 Mortality Rate From 5.8% TO 3/10ths of One Percent With Telemedicine, Home Treatment (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/bill-sardi/doctors-slash-covid-19-mortality-rate-from-5-8-to-3-10ths-of-one-percent-with-telemedicine-home-treatment/)
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geomancer
01-31-2021, 01:44 PM
Fool, you DISHONESTLY continue to ignore the threat of long COVID. How about a double lung transplant for starters.
covid lung transplant surgery (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=rCAXYMzLBIeytQWO6LmADw&q=covid+lung+transplant+surgery+&oq=covid+lung+transplant+surgery+&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDoECAAQRzoCCAA6BAgAEEM6BQgAEMkDOgQIABANOgYIABAHEB46BQgAEM0CUOBSWIfyAWDXiwJoAXACeACAAc8BiAHjDJIBBjAuMTEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQj AAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjM0aayjsfuAhUHWa0KHQ50DvAQ4dUDCAw)
(https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/12/574/eabe4282)Lungs from these five patients with prolonged COVID-19 disease were free of SARS-CoV-2 as detected by smFISH, but pathology showed extensive evidence of injury and fibrosis that resembled end-stage pulmonary fibrosis. Using machine learning, we compared single-cell RNA sequencing data from the lungs of patients with late-stage COVID-19 to that from the lungs of patients with pulmonary fibrosis and identified similarities in gene expression across cell lineages. Our findings suggest that some patients with severe COVID-19 develop fibrotic lung disease for which lung transplantation is their only option for survival.
(https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/12/574/eabe4282)
Or brain rot:
That SARS-CoV-2, the culprit of the COVID-19 pandemic, is also associated with neurological symptoms isn’t entirely surprising, given some evidence (https://academic.oup.com/femspd/article/78/4/ftaa033/5868247?login=true#205976988) that its close relatives, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1, have been associated with neurological symptoms too. But the proportion of patients developing such symptoms—and their mounting collective numbers—has startled some scientists. When the news (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2764549) broke early last year that some 36 percent of COVID-19 patients in Wuhan hospitals were developing impaired consciousness, seizures, sensory impairments, and other neurological symptoms, “that floored me,” remarks Shibani Mukerji, a neuroinfectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital.
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Stories meant to terrify. Maybe consider less frightening information:
Doctors Slash COVID-19 Mortality Rate From 5.8% TO 3/10ths of One Percent With Telemedicine, Home Treatment (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/bill-sardi/doctors-slash-covid-19-mortality-rate-from-5-8-to-3-10ths-of-one-percent-with-telemedicine-home-treatment/)
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Mayacaman
02-02-2021, 07:52 AM
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Richard Ely, It is rude to call anyone a fool just because you disagree with them. It is especially uncivil to say that to a Woman. You should know that by now. It is also contrary to the teaching in the Sermon on the Mount (https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-22.htm).
Granted, SARS-CoV-2 is potentially deadly, and can do a number on the lungs.
Jude Iam
02-02-2021, 11:51 AM
Thank you, Mark.
Yes, this breath-taking verbal violence, doubtless self-justified, has been shocking, repeated and previously gone unmentioned.
Civil interchange - as the low bar for community dialogue - was one of the process values of Wacco.
Still being learned.
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geomancer
02-03-2021, 07:21 PM
More below on Long COVID:
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/long-covid
One in 20 people likely to suffer from ‘Long COVID’, but who are they?
The latest analysis of data from thousands of users of the COVID Symptom Study app from ZOE, published as a preprint, (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.19.20214494v1) shows that one in 20 people are likely to suffer from COVID-19 symptoms lasting more than 8 weeks.
We also found that it’s possible to predict who is likely to develop long COVID based on the very earliest signs of their illness. The more different symptoms a person experienced within the first week of illness, the more likely they were to develop long COVID. Using this together with age, gender and body mass index meant we could accurately predict who is most at risk of developing long-term symptoms.
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32705-7/fulltext
Long COVID guidelines need to reflect lived experience
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), an estimated 186 000 people . . . in private households in England currently have COVID-19 symptoms 5–12 weeks or longer after acute infection.2 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32705-7/fulltext#bib2) The ONS estimate that one in five people have symptoms that persist after 5 weeks, and one in ten have symptoms for 12 weeks or longer after acute COVID-19
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/one-third-of-patients-may-experience-long-covid
One-third of patients may experience ‘long COVID’
A study has found that 32% of people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 were still experiencing at least one symptom 6 weeks after their tests. The most common of these symptoms were fatigue, shortness of breath, and a loss of taste or smell.
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Fool, you DISHONESTLY continue to ignore the threat of long COVID. How about a double lung transplant for starters.
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SRB
02-04-2021, 03:05 PM
So calling this a “vaccine” is misleading, as it is not one by the normal definition. It is not made from actual pathogens, weakened by heat or other methods. It is manufactured viral spike protein sequences, from a factory. In other words, gene-therapy. As there are no claims for prevention of the disease either, why would anyone wish to allow it to be done to them? Lessening of symptoms is the main claim, and that surely can be done by boosting your own immune system as much as possible. Loads of Vitamin D, without which your immune system is a sitting duck for any pathogen, and also the Zinc, Vit C, Quercitin etc to boost the antiviral action which your T-cell memory can carry out, using your natural immunity from previous exposure to other coronaviruses. This is what I believe, from a lot of investigating. Getting hold of the effective medication like Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine is not easy. It would be useful to ask your doctor for these instead of the “vaccine”, and see what the response is. In South Africa, and Slovakia, they just recently promoted Ivermectin as a treatment. It works.
The NIH also recently reversed their policy on Ivermectin, from “opposed” to a permission to use policy. Big of them. (12 mg. dose as a useful prophylactic.) At least that way you can take responsibility for your own health and not be frightened by all the hype.
Look at www.ivmmeta.com or www.covid19criticalcare.com for what you need. There is a giant stash of HCQ somewhere, taken off the shelves at the beginning of the pandemic. Whoever has it needs to fess up, hand it over, and go to jail, imho.