Re: A Guaranteed Income for Everyone

[Mayacaman]

Surprise ! Back in 1964 Barry Goldwater ran on a ticket that advocated a guaranteed income... In order to do that today the Federal Government would have to :



1] Nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank

2] Cancel the 'National Debt'

& 3] Cease from making War....


(https://www.businessinsider.com/man-behind-hawaii-basic-income-bill-2017-7?fbclid=IwAR0C5V1ApomV9JWgPWKam7MxyBOAzIQ8i86hWK25-aOnbUWNBCcdw2UDC_g)https://www.businessinsider.com/man-behind-hawaii-basic-income-bill-2017-7

[Mayacaman]

Q. Why no page on Wikipedia for "1964 Republican Party Platform" ?

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[SonomaPatientsCoop]

Wikipedia does have the 64 R platform- it's under the Republican National Convention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Republican_National_Convention) .

I'd disagree with some of the other points. I'm not so sure about "nationalizing" the Federal Reserve- hasn't LaRouche been proposing this for decades? And I'm far from sold on the concept. Cancelling the national debt is simply a non-starter - it would wreck economies - both here and abroad that have purchased that debt.
And ending wars.... good luck with that- no matter who is president. Too much chaos in the world...and too many decades of misguided :US foreign policy to atone for. (side note- imho - we should never have changed the intent of the 2nd amendment - militias under control of the state governors rather than a standing federal military. We gave up on that long ago- and it was one of the biggest mistakes our nation ever made).

EDIT: oh... I believe Stockton has been experimenting with a guaranteed income in a limited sense. And of course- Alaska...for decades all citizens receive payments from the oil/gas industry).

[Mayacaman]

Wikipedia does have the 64 R platform- it's under the Republican National Convention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Republican_National_Convention) ....

All I am saying is that Barry Goldwater - for all of his flaws - had a progressive point or two. I realized after I posted the initial item on this thread, however, that I had gone out on a limb as far as averring that Goldwater proposed that as part of his platform in 1964. - Because I heard that secondhand, from someone who had been, at the age of twenty-one or thereabouts, one of the Young [Goldwater] Turks & a delegate at the Republican Convention at the Cow Palace in 1964.

And, as far as the feasibility of actually Nationalizing the Fed (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nationalizing+the+Fed&t=osx&ia=web) goes, getting it to happen is a bit like trying to jump over the Moon; i.e., not very likely. But just because the late Lyndon LaRouche proposed a similar-sounding idea, does not make it a bad idea. The LaRouchies, you must know -0R- remember, with "Chairman Lyn (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Chairman+Lyn%22%2C+Lyndon+LaRouche&t=osx&ia=web)" at their helm, were once known (back in the 1960's) as "The Labor Committees" or the "N.C.L.C (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Caucus_of_Labor_Committees)." a faction within of the S.D.S., and regarded as an "old-Left" faction, at that. {See "Push Comes to Shove: the Escalation of Student Protest at Harvard (https://archive.org/details/pushcomestoshove00kelm)" by Steve Kelman, and "S.D.S. (http://www.sds-1960s.org/books/sds.pdf)" by Kirkpatrick Sale.}

The Old Left (with the exception of the C.P. (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Communist+Party%2C+U.S.A.&t=osx&ia=web)) from the 1920's on, called repeatedly for the Nationalization of the Federal Reserve Bank. There was a plank to that effect in the Progressive Party Platform of 1924 (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Progressive+Party+Platform+of+1924&t=osx&ia=web); the Socialist Party Platform of 1932 (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Socialist+Party+Platform+of++1932&t=osx&ia=web); and the Farmer-Labor Party Platforms of 1932 and 1934 (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Farmer-Labor+Party+Platform+of+1932%2C+1934&t=osx).

I certainly don't disagree that Cancelling the "National Debt(s)" - of All nations - would cause a lot of wreckage. It could also trigger World War 3 - between China & the U.S. - on account of all the T-Bills that China has purchased from the US since the Chinese Bankers were first allowed into the the Bond Auctions @ the FOMC (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Federal+Open+Market+Committee&t=osx&ia=web) back in the Clinton '90's.

But the System of Debt-Usury Finance Capitalism - as it stands - is a House of Cards ready to fall =OR= a ticking time bomb. Both metaphors are appropriate to describe the situation, as it stands, today.


...imho - we should never have changed the intent of the 2nd amendment - militias under control of the state governors rather than a standing federal military. We gave up on that long ago- and it was one of the biggest mistakes our nation ever made...

:Yinyangv:

I heartily agree with those words. =ALSO= The Union Army should have been mustered out at the End of the Civil War, instead of being sent Westward under General Phil Sheridan (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Union+Pacific+Railroad+Corporation%22+%2C+General+Sheridan%2C+Army%2C++Nebraska%2C+&t=osx&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images) to conquer the Cheyenne (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=General+Sheridan%2C+Army%2C+Cheyenne%2C+Nebraska%2C+reservation&t=osx&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images) and make Nebraska Safe for the Union Pacific Railroad Corporation (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Union+Pacific+Railroad+Corporation%22+%2C+Nebraska%2C+maps+&t=osx&ia=images&iax=images&atb=v182-1).

[Mayacaman]

Here it is. Surprisingly 'progressive' in some ways. What an irony!

https://patriotpost.us/documents/442 (https://patriotpost.us/documents/442?fbclid=IwAR1jJygpN3rX5sJVi5BtfGj3zZjWui3v2v_oISRGCMY39ZLDFD4-RLOQCws)

[cyberanvil]

Surprise ! Back in 1964 Barry Goldwater ran on a ticket that advocated a guaranteed income... In order to do that today the Federal Government would have to :


1] Nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank
2] Cancel the 'National Debt
3] Cease from making War....


(https://www.businessinsider.com/man-behind-hawaii-basic-income-bill-2017-7?fbclid=IwAR0C5V1ApomV9JWgPWKam7MxyBOAzIQ8i86hWK25-aOnbUWNBCcdw2UDC_g)
I don't know Mark, the first two are feasible, but #3 would be a hard sell. :sarcasm:

[Mayacaman]

I don't know Mark, the first two are feasible, but #3 would be a hard sell. :sarcasm:
:Yinyangv:


I agree, Jefferson aka "cyberanvil" - but as an old Quaker I've got to make the pitch anyway...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRICuLy6iU4