Valley Oak
07-18-2015, 05:51 PM
Should we use our knowledge of the human genome to develop super humans? Potentially, we could eliminate all diseases. We could also create super athletic, super intelligent humans. Furthermore, we might be able to genetically modify ourselves to possess many of the same capabilities that other species have, such as crawling on walls, the eyesight of an eagle, the hearing of a bat, the smelling sensitivity of a mole or an elephant, etc. Or a brain so big, complex, and powerful, that such a person could easily make Stephen Hawking look like a 2 year old, regarding intelligence.
But what about downsides, the cons? What if a country like Saudi Arabia, with all of its money, decided to create a species of human that is compliant with their interpretation of Islam. What if some entity or state decides to exclude the "gay genes," or bohemian and artistic qualities in people? What if another country wanted to genetically build ideal humans as soldiers or workers? What if it becomes fashionable to have really big body parts, such as boobies and boners? After all, DNA is simply biological software and we can program it any way we want.
As entrepreneurial genius, futurist, and billionaire Elon Musk says, "...it's the Hitler problem." Below is an excerpt of the interview with Elon Musk where this and other imposing questions are explored and answered:
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Elon Musk: The World’s Raddest Man (https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html)
By Tim Urban
I talked to him for a while about genetic reprogramming. He doesn’t buy the efficacy of typical anti-aging technology efforts, because he believes humans have general expiration dates, and no one fix can help that. He explained: “The whole system is collapsing. You don’t see someone who’s 90 years old and it’s like, they can run super fast but their eyesight is bad. The whole system is shutting down. In order to change that in a serious way, you need to reprogram the genetics or replace every cell in the body.” Now with anyone else—literally anyone else—I would shrug and agree, since he made a good point. But this was Elon Musk, and Elon Musk fixes shit for humanity. So what did I do?
Me: Well…but isn’t this important enough to try? Is this something you’d ever turn your attention to?
Elon: The thing is that all the geneticists have agreed not to reprogram human DNA. So you have to fight not a technical battle but a moral battle.
Me: You’re fighting a lot of battles. You could set up your own thing. The geneticists who are interested—you bring them here. You create a laboratory, and you could change everything.
Elon: You know, I call it the Hitler Problem. Hitler was all about creating the Übermensch and genetic purity, and it’s like—how do you avoid the Hitler Problem? I don’t know.
Me: I think there’s a way. You’ve said before about Henry Ford that he always just found a way around any obstacle, and you do the same thing, you always find a way. And I just think that that’s as important and ambitious a mission as your other things, and I think it’s worth fighting for a way, somehow, around moral issues, around other things.
Elon: I mean I do think there’s…in order to fundamentally solve a lot of these issues, we are going to have to reprogram our DNA. That’s the only way to do it.
Me: And deep down, DNA is just a physical material.
Elon: [Nods, then pauses as he looks over my shoulder in a daze] It’s software.
Comments:
1) It’s really funny to brashly pressure Elon Musk to take on yet another seemingly-insurmountable task and to act a little disappointed in him that he’s not currently doing it, when he’s already doing more for humanity than literally anyone on the planet.
2) It’s also super fun to casually brush off the moral issues around genetic programming with “I think there’s a way” and to refer to DNA—literally the smallest and most complex substance ever—as “just a physical material deep down” when I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about. Because those things will be his problem to figure out, not mine.
3) I think I’ve successfully planted the seed. If Musk takes on human genetics 15 years from now and we all end up living to 250 because of it, you all owe me a drink.
But what about downsides, the cons? What if a country like Saudi Arabia, with all of its money, decided to create a species of human that is compliant with their interpretation of Islam. What if some entity or state decides to exclude the "gay genes," or bohemian and artistic qualities in people? What if another country wanted to genetically build ideal humans as soldiers or workers? What if it becomes fashionable to have really big body parts, such as boobies and boners? After all, DNA is simply biological software and we can program it any way we want.
As entrepreneurial genius, futurist, and billionaire Elon Musk says, "...it's the Hitler problem." Below is an excerpt of the interview with Elon Musk where this and other imposing questions are explored and answered:
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Elon Musk: The World’s Raddest Man (https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html)
By Tim Urban
I talked to him for a while about genetic reprogramming. He doesn’t buy the efficacy of typical anti-aging technology efforts, because he believes humans have general expiration dates, and no one fix can help that. He explained: “The whole system is collapsing. You don’t see someone who’s 90 years old and it’s like, they can run super fast but their eyesight is bad. The whole system is shutting down. In order to change that in a serious way, you need to reprogram the genetics or replace every cell in the body.” Now with anyone else—literally anyone else—I would shrug and agree, since he made a good point. But this was Elon Musk, and Elon Musk fixes shit for humanity. So what did I do?
Me: Well…but isn’t this important enough to try? Is this something you’d ever turn your attention to?
Elon: The thing is that all the geneticists have agreed not to reprogram human DNA. So you have to fight not a technical battle but a moral battle.
Me: You’re fighting a lot of battles. You could set up your own thing. The geneticists who are interested—you bring them here. You create a laboratory, and you could change everything.
Elon: You know, I call it the Hitler Problem. Hitler was all about creating the Übermensch and genetic purity, and it’s like—how do you avoid the Hitler Problem? I don’t know.
Me: I think there’s a way. You’ve said before about Henry Ford that he always just found a way around any obstacle, and you do the same thing, you always find a way. And I just think that that’s as important and ambitious a mission as your other things, and I think it’s worth fighting for a way, somehow, around moral issues, around other things.
Elon: I mean I do think there’s…in order to fundamentally solve a lot of these issues, we are going to have to reprogram our DNA. That’s the only way to do it.
Me: And deep down, DNA is just a physical material.
Elon: [Nods, then pauses as he looks over my shoulder in a daze] It’s software.
Comments:
1) It’s really funny to brashly pressure Elon Musk to take on yet another seemingly-insurmountable task and to act a little disappointed in him that he’s not currently doing it, when he’s already doing more for humanity than literally anyone on the planet.
2) It’s also super fun to casually brush off the moral issues around genetic programming with “I think there’s a way” and to refer to DNA—literally the smallest and most complex substance ever—as “just a physical material deep down” when I have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about. Because those things will be his problem to figure out, not mine.
3) I think I’ve successfully planted the seed. If Musk takes on human genetics 15 years from now and we all end up living to 250 because of it, you all owe me a drink.