How FBI is Inventing "Terrorists" - Rolling Stone

[arthunter]

It's time to seriously question any information from this organization -

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

[podfish]

It's time to seriously question any information from this organization -
<re: FBI..>there's never been any secret about how the FBI operates. Their flaws as an organization have been better exploited in popular culture than any other, save maybe for those of hillbilly police forces...

[arthunter]

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I think that it's a mistake to think that all Americans are informed. I believe that there are many who are still accepting the propaganda which describes Occupy members as homeless alcoholics and drug addicts. Often the government targets precisely those people who are trying to restore justice in our country by sharing truth. They are labeled as terrorists, criminals, mentally ill, drug addicts, etc. … there have been many instances of this reported by Amy Goodman, Bill Moyers, and other trusted journalists … so where is the outrage? Is it right to destroy someone's credibility and progress for the sake of political control?

Glenn Greenwald has promised to publish the NSA's list of those citizens under surveillance... it will be interesting to see who's on that list ….



there's never been any secret about how the FBI operates. Their flaws as an organization have been better exploited in popular culture than any other, save maybe for those of hillbilly police forces...

[podfish]

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I think that it's a mistake to think that all Americans are informed. I believe that there are many who are still accepting the propaganda ... <snip..> ….most are what you could consider "willfully" misinformed. Some are naive, perhaps, and will react with surprise and outrage if shown that they were being misled, and adopt new world views. I'm pretty jaded, though, and I think those people are extremely rare. Most people leap to accept stories that support their world view, and are uninterested at best, or actively dismissive of evidence at worst, when the stories would require them to change their opinions. This is especially true when the issues touch on Jonathan Haidt's "categories of moral intuition" like respect for authority (or lack of it, in the case of some of us!).
That doesn't mean people don't have to fight the good fight - "Illegitimi non carborundum" after all - but to catch people's attention they really have to be caught in an egregious violation. For example, one might think the Whitey Bolger case was pretty egregious, and had sex/drugs/rock&roll aspects to draw in the hoi polloi, but there's no political fallout even from that one as far as I can tell.

[podfish]

.. and a follow-up thought: for those of us who don't have an innate tendency to trust authority, none of this is unexpected. And for those who do, until they feel personally betrayed they won't reconsider their opinions - and even then it's usually limited to this one circumstance, not of the validity of their world view.

[arthunter]

Good points Podfish ...

Honestly, in my own life the acceptance of this information has been painful ... it would be easier to let it go ... but, the consequences of ignorance are even more terrible ... the consequences of political manipulation and a loss of free speech will be devastating ... we are seeing that in our country right now and it will probably get worse ... according to many trusted sources we are progressing on the road to tyranny and this will affect everyone sooner or later ....

Mark Rich explains this "denial reaction" in his book "The Hidden Evil", ...

"When you make someone aware they're presented with a choice. They can believe you & have
their world turned upside down. Or they can deny that it exists. Some people don't have the constitution to
acknowledge insanity of this magnitude. This type of denial is probably an unconscious protection mechanism that activates in order to prevent a nervous breakdown."

[arthunter]

More of the same ...

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/why_should_anyone_trust_a_government_that_kills_maims_tortures_lies_sp