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    Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!


    Holy sh*t! This is real!


    EFREN ARRESTED!

    It gets stranger and stranger...

    PD article is here:

    Sonoma County Supervisor Efren Carrillo arrested on burglary charge




    Arrest in prowling case.

    http://local.nixle.com/alert/5032542/

    On Saturday July 13, 2013 at approximately 3:40 a.m., the Santa Rosa Police Department received a telephone call regarding a prowler. The victim stated the incident had just occurred at a residence in the area of Stony Point Rd at W. Third St, when the subject attempted to enter her bedroom window. Police officers were immediately dispatched to the residence. While they were responding to the scene, the victim called again and said the subject had knocked at the front door and identified himself as a neighbor before running away.

    As police officers were arriving on scene they saw a subject carrying a cellular telephone walking toward them while wearing only underwear and socks. Based on the circumstances of the incident the subject was detained pending further investigation.

    While checking the residence, officers found the victim’s bedroom window screen had been torn to the extent that it would allow someone to reach through the screen and partially open window. The victim told officers she was awakened by the sound of her window blinds being moved.

    Due to the nature of the offense, a detective from the Domestic Violence/Sexual Assault Investigations Team was called out to assist. The detective interviewed the victim who stated the subject is known to her, however their only interactions had been informal neighborhood contacts on several separate occasions over a month ago.

    At the conclusion of the investigation the subject was arrested. He was identified as Efren Carrillo, a 32 year old Santa Rosa resident.. He was booked at the Sonoma County Jail on charges of prowling and burglary.

    Media inquiries may be directed to Sergeant Terry Anderson at (707) 543-3598.
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    Sure hope Carillo can be disempowered before the verdict

    It's going to be really hard living around anyone still blindly supporting this player after this very creepy arrest and his true colors now even more glaring.... unless he gets another insider pass like in San Diego. Sure hope there's such a thing as recall on hold pending verdict because of the extreme nature of the charges. Someone who would vote against fluoridation for one thing.

    Supervisor Carrillo Arrested On Burglary Charge
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...urglary-charge

    https://local.nixle.com/alert/5032542/
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    I can't believe it. He recently froze the application for a grant for Forestville's Downtown Open Space Park and Bike/Trail Extension. Now it'll probably get sold to a foreign developer. I don't know what he was doing the other night but he certainly has screwed the majority of people in Forestville that worked so hard for the proposed park.
    Must be time to elect him to higher office.
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    Re: Sure hope Carillo can be disempowered before the verdict

    Quote Alexia wrote: View Post
    Sure hope there's such a thing as recall on hold pending verdict because of the extreme nature of the charges. Someone who would vote against fluoridation for one thing.
    I'm not sure I understand you here -- Efren's vote was passionately locked in for approval of the drinking water fluoridation initiative. Without good reason given. Sickened -- continually unnerving -- by what is going on with the frighteningly poor judgment and lack of personal control at county level governance.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Efren Carrillo SUPPORTS fluoridation of our water. This plus his other administrative screw-ups AND his most recent arrest means he has to go!

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...CLES/130229619
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    Re: Sure hope Carillo can be disempowered before the verdict



    Quote dzerach wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure I understand you here -- Efren's vote was passionately locked in for approval of the drinking water fluoridation initiative. Without good reason given. Sickened -- continually unnerving -- by what is going on with the frighteningly poor judgment and lack of personal control at county level governance.
    I meant I hope he can be replaced quick based even on the charges, and that it should be someone who is against fluoridation.

    Also, the updated PD article said 'friends are trying to get him into rehab". I hope there is a process by which his recent decisions like the Forestville Park one can be nullified based on the fact that someone who needs rehab today has needed it for months and any recent decisions decision affecting the public should be considered biased, impaired and/or incompetent.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    ".....friends are trying to get him into rehab."

    You mean his ENABLERS are trying to get him into rehab!

    Sebastacat blames them for this mess just as much as he blames Efren himself, for they have been covering up his
    s - - - all along.

    I will have more to say about this mess later, but for now, I have just one question:

    WHERE DO I SIGN?
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    Re: Sure hope Carillo can be disempowered before the verdict

    Quote Alexia wrote: View Post
    I meant I hope he can be replaced quick based even on the charges, and that it should be someone who is against fluoridation.
    Oh, cool -- thank you. I felt like he spoke and acted during the Feb 2013 BoS mtg ( audio only) as if he were passively involved in a mental exercise, as though this issue didnt genuinely apply to his responsibilities -- just gonna vote yes b/c he got personally pissed and he has a vote. Well, if it doesnt apply to most of his voters, then that sup... should not be voting at all! Of course, the county board is not suppose to work in either of those ways (!)...
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    dzerach:

    At long last, perhaps we finally now have the reason for his "lack of emotional and mental sobriety" at that
    February Board of Supervisors meeting...

    In Sebastacat's opinion, the County of Sonoma and, in particular, the west county deserve SO much better.

    Efren, if you have one shred of decency left in you, you will do the honorable thing and resign so that someone more worthy of the office can take your place.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Quote sebastacat wrote: View Post
    Efren, if you have one shred of decency left in you, you will do the honorable thing and resign so that someone more worthy of the office can take your place.
    Surely you jest!! He'll get this swept under the rug, and by next election cycle, he'll again run unopposed.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    We can start a drive to ask Carrillo for his resignation. We can collect signatures and one of us can hand it to him personally, preferably with witnesses, in front of a camera, etc. Or we can flood his office, email, mail, fax, letters to the editor, and so on, requesting that Carrillo resign.

    We also need to find someone to replace him ASAP. Any names come up? Any former Sups might want to become an interim officeholder for Carrillo's position? Who else ran in the last election?
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  23. TopTop #12
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Yes. Ernie Carpenter.

    Quote Edward Mendoza wrote: View Post
    We also need to find someone to replace him ASAP. Any names come up? Any former Sups might want to become an interim officeholder for Carrillo's position? Who else ran in the last election?
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  25. TopTop #13
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    This doesn't look good. In fact, it looks worse than that. It looks bad, very bad and goes way beyond someone with a generic drinking problem which is how it'll be explained away. He's gone into damage control but the damage is done and it's irrevocable.

    Quote dominus wrote: View Post
    Yes. Ernie Carpenter.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    How about if we ask Ernie Carpenter and former Santa Rosa City Councilwoman Veronica Jacobi to run or apply for the position? How can we contact them? Any other good names?

    How is a Supervisor replaced after he or she resigns? Is there an established protocol for this process?
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Efferen is showing how oor tax dollars are hard at work -NOT! I also will never believe he is on our side about Hobbs either. He told me personally, he would help with the injustice of the illegal sale of our family farm 11 yrs. ago-Not! He needs to be fired and his opponent and loyal representative, as well as resident of western Sonoma County,Ernie Carpenter who should have won the last election , take over as our true representative. The only reason Efferen won anyway was due to the amount of money the big developers and winery owners were paying him to win . Ernie Carpenter is the right guy for this position . Time to take action !
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Ernie Carpenter really cares about the wonderful west Sonoma County -he's the man for this position and has more experience - he can step up to the mound and hit a no hitter !
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    he'll be mortified by this when he sobers up. Underwear & socks? He's usually in a suit & tie... o much for dressing for success. He'll need Zimmerman's lawyer to get him out of this one.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Quote tommy wrote: View Post
    he'll be mortified by this when he sobers up. Underwear & socks? He's usually in a suit & tie... o much for dressing for success. He'll need Zimmerman's lawyer to get him out of this one.
    So true, Tommy....

    However, let us not forget that among his groups of "friends" -- no, er, excuse me -- I mean enablers,
    are several prominent lawyers.
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  36. TopTop #19
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    CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Sign the petition here...

    This is the LAST straw! Tell Carrillo he has to go and go now. Don't stop telling him until he leaves. Contact him everyday through any or all of the contact info below. Email him. Phone him. Fax him. Picket his office. Write Letter to Editor. PSA. Etc:

    Efren Carrillo
    Supervisor District 5 - Board of Supervisors
    County of Sonoma

    Work: 707-565-2241
    Work Fax: 707-565-3778

    Email: Efren.Carrillo@sonoma-county.org

    http://supervisors.sonoma-county.org/district5

    Board of Supervisors
    575 Administration Drive, Room 100 A
    Santa Rosa California 95403

    Office Hours: Monday - Friday, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM
    SOURCE: http://supervisors.sonoma-county.org...d=1006&id=1015
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Demand it. Tell him. Contact info here...

    If you want to see Efren Carrillo resign, please sign the petition below. 84 signatures are needed.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/supe...sign-now#share
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    We all need to be at the next Board of Supervisors' meeting to ask Carrillo to resign publicly. Bringing a text with signatures will also help and maybe we can submit it as well. Everyone please make an effort to be at the next Board of Sups meeting to demand Carrillo's immediate resignation.

    The next Board of Supervisors' meeting is July 30, 2013 – 8:30 AM.
    County of Sonoma Board of Supervisors
    575 Administration Drive, Room 100 A
    Santa Rosa, CA 95403

    For more information please visit the BoS website:
    http://supervisors.sonoma-county.org/

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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape.

    I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given
    the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened
    if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight.

    Thank God she's all right.

    My heart goes out to her, and I hope that she has not been too traumatized by this shocking event.

    Sebastacat has been disturbed by this horrible incident all weekend and finds this entire chain of
    events chilling -- just plain chilling.

    Enough, I say!
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    According to the Press Democrat, Chris Adrian will be representing Efren Carrillo. See article. This is the 2nd incident to occur within less than a year. The spin machinery is kicking in to protect Efren's career & those who want a malleable lackey in office. The truth is that people don't strip down to their underpants, go to a neighbor's house at 3:40am, attempt to enter through the window, and then knock on the door announcing they've come for a visit. There are plenty of people who drink and don't behave that way. Efren has an answer for everything but to use alcohol as an excuse isn't taking full responsibility for his actions.

    Sonoma County deserves someone with integrity, maturity, and experience. Not this.

    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130715/ARTICLES/130719712?title=Carrillo's-lawyer:-Evidence-doesn't-support-prowling,-burglary

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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Who bailed Carrillo's sorry ass out of jail this time? Doug Bosco again? Does anyone know for certain?
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Well said, dominus.....

    Yes, the "spin machine" is running at full-throttle. Maybe they should take it to the upcoming Sonoma County Fair and charge for it! Hey, they could use it to pay for the upcoming (and expensive) legal defense!

    Seriously, it seems to me that they are now trying to delicately and deliberately "shift" the blame to the victim.
    I have one word for this: DISGUSTING!

    Let us not forget the victim who was involved here. Let us all hope and pray that she has not been so traumatized by this terrible incident that it will have a lasting impact on her for the rest of her life.

    And, just as important, let us hope that Efren's "handlers" -- no, um -- "friends" -- excuse me -- no, uh, er, ENABLERS will not attempt to intimidate her from testifying at any upcoming judicial proceeding which may occur in this case.

    As tax-paying, law-abiding Sonoma County residents, we must DEMAND equal justice for all and NOT just for the rich and powerful, the well-connected and the chosen few.

    Sebastacat has been very upset about this entire incident all weekend -- and still is. Between that and the fire which completely destroyed the Frizelle-Enos building and all of its contents, it was indeed a dark weekend for the west county.

    Perhaps its time for all of us to do some soul-searching about what kind of people we want to represent us -- and what kind of county we want to live in in the future.

    How do you feel? What do you think? Sebastacat would like to know.....
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Quote dominus wrote: View Post
    Efren Carrillo's lawyer: Evidence does not support prowling, burglary
    Bulls*** upon bullsh*** makes for good grow, in any situation, I guess, but you really can put on too much. When did drunkenness become a winning defense? Even w/no proof of drunkenness? But, if drunk, he was automatically without ill intent? -- by definition, apparently. It would be more plausible to argue narcotics or temporary psychotic break. Hopefully, as part of the process of identifying himself at the March 2014 BoS mtg, he'll enter the Administration Building through the door and not a window. Either way, no ill intent, even if there's broken glass all over the floor. Good thing this is only about the "embarrassment" of serial-farting in public. Can't wait to see how Shirlee responds. Probably with a lyrical forgiveness song.
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Sign the petition here...

    Quote Edward Mendoza wrote: View Post
    This is the LAST straw! Tell Carrillo he has to go and go now. ...
    Edward,

    Is your rationale because you are outraged at Efren's rather stupid behavior or is it just that you disagree with him politically? Did you call for Clinton's resignation because his little head occasionally did the thinking? All the shrill voices here seems like a rush to judgment, we really don't know all the facts yet.

    I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks, and believe me I think this could be the coup de grace of his political career. I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. On June 30th I e-mailed him about the high river level because I had concern for the 4th celebrations at Monte Rio and he got back to me on Monday morning at 8 AM.

    Remember he's only 32. It's a finely tuned high-wire act to be in politics, wouldn't you agree? A little compassion at least for now might be a little progressive.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Or if unable to come people could email the supervisors at
    http://supervisors.sonoma-county.org....aspx?sid=1001

    Personally I can't imagine Carrillo not resigning.

    Quote Edward Mendoza;168695[SIZE=3 wrote:
    ][/SIZE]We all need to be at the next Board of Supervisors' meeting to ask Carrillo to resign publicly
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    I find it hard to believe Chris Adrian would represent Efren Carrillo in any way. I guess Chris (ex-Grateful Dead lawyer) is this desperate to turn his back on the people he used to believe in.And if he protects Eferen and has charges dropped with only a slap on Efren's hand to keep him in office, then he would truly be a traitor and his reputation as a lawyer will go down the tubes to say the least. Are you really wanting to ruin your career Chris? Seems like it for sure, like the song says, "Hell in a Bucket ". You are representing the wrong person with the wrong ideas for now and the future.....

    Quote dominus wrote: View Post
    According to the Press Democrat, Chris Adrian will be representing Efren Carrillo.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    One thing for sure could not have been a girlfriend,unless she is a dumb a#% b#%*#!

    Quote Glia wrote: View Post
    Who bailed Carrillo's sorry ass out of jail this time? Doug Bosco again? Does anyone know for certain?
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Peggy:

    I know that you can't imagine Carrillo not resigning, but unfortunately, I can.
    Just look at how fast they pulled out the "spin machine" and how fast, furious and
    full-throttle that it's running now. And now they're attempting to "shift" the blame onto
    the victim by saying that he was merely there to have a beer with her. I find this to be more of the
    same lame excuses similar to those that have been offered up in the past as explanations
    for his questionable behavior, and quite frankly, it's both disturbing to Sebastacat AND disgusting.

    His handlers -- no, er, his friends -- or, excuse me -- his enablers are going to do
    everything in their power to get him out of this proverbial pickle.

    And who can blame them? They were the ones who handpicked this guy, put a ton of money
    into his campaign, spent lots of time preparing, training, grooming and dolling him up in a suit, and they're
    not about to just call it a day and throw him under the bus. No way.

    On the other hand, we are residents of this county, constituents of the fifth district, and we deserve better of our elected officials than this. In fact, it's up to us to DEMAND it if we are to have any type of credible representative county government at all which can truly be taken seriously.

    While I agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, the fact that Efren was out at 3:40 a.m. attempting to gain access to a woman's apartment by ripping open her window screen, only to be foiled by the sound of rustling blinds, certainly calls into question his judgment, not to mention his motives for doing so.

    Whether he ultimately is held accountable for his actions remains to be seen; nevertheless, this is NOT the type of behavior that I desire in an elected official -- any elected official.

    -----

    jbox: Regarding the "compassion" issue which you raise, I'll probably have more to say about that later. But for now, I will just say this: That cuts both ways, and Efren is now finding that out -- unfortunately, for him, the hard way.
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Demand it. Tell him. Contact info here...

    My perspective: Effen Carillo is a politician; he's not going to resign until that's his only option, no matter how many of us sign a petition (remember Nixon?). Is there some more effective action we could take to oust him?

    Quote dominus wrote: View Post
    If you want to see Efren Carrillo resign, please sign the petition below. 84 signatures are needed.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/supe...sign-now#share
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    I agree that it seems unlikely that he would flat-out resign, unless there's actually a conviction for an offense that mandates more than just a fine. Is there such a thing as a leave of absence, tied to a requirement to complete a serious rehab? Efren is a human being, a male human being, a young male human being, a political young male human being, but that doesn't necessarily convert him into a two-dimensional shooting-range target. It's a waste of a life to suddenly reduce someone to that status.

    When your career gets fast-tracked and you start to feel power, and especially when a lot of money is invested in you, your center can easily get wobbly -- look at the music industry, which isn't really very different from the politics industry. Flash and cash. OK, Efren has made political decisions that have had results I don't like, and seem to be more supportive of the well-being of business than the well-being of the rest of us, but I've also heard appreciation for times when he's been helpful and responsive to local voices.

    Right now, what is foremost in my mind is that he's got a serious alcohol and impulse control problem, and I've seen it implied that this isn't just on his own dime in his private personal life. If he's making decisions that affect the community, it better not be with a red-hot amygdala and a tank-full of alcohol. Can this be a wake-up call? In my life, I've known many folks who have stumbled, fallen knee-deep in dreck, cleaned themselves off, and built admirable lives.

    Those who have invested in his political career will likely tell him the comfortable story that he's in good hands, that his critics are hysterical s&!#s, and that it will all blow over. I am angered that the Zimmerman story became what it was and didn't stick to the issue of providing arms to every Tom, Dick, and Harry and letting them use them with impunity. I am angered that the Snowden story has been shifted away from the appalling fact that the systems he revealed are real, and dangerous. What concerns me most with Efren Carillo is he is in a position to make decisions that affect us all, and that he is not in balance. And that is a serious problem across the board for any position of power, whether it's due to personal instability, being controlled by blackmail, or being bought, paid for, and remanufactured.
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    To Independent Eye:

    Great post. You certainly hit the nail on the head.

    As I have said -- and will continue to say -- his friends and handlers -- no, uh, er, his handlers/enablers, can continue to help him slide out of his all-too-frequent dust-ups, messes and questionable behavior if they wish, which will certainly help him for the short term.

    But for the long term, they are doing him no favors. All that these "good hands" are doing is continuing to fan the flames of
    the public's discontent by continuing to offer up more flimsy excuses.

    In Sebastacat's opinion, what they need to do is to stop enabling him, start leveling with him, stop making up lame excuses for him -- and have him come clean with his constituents and start being truthful.

    F.Y.I. handlers/enablers: We're not all as stupid as you think we are.
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Demand it. Tell him. Contact info here...

    Yes. It is called a "recall election." That is how we ended up with Schwarzenegger as Governor, an unfortunate abuse of this progressive-era protection in our state constitution.

    It is not easy and requires sustained effort by a lot of people which is why it does not happen often -- especially in this short attention span era.

    Two features of a recall action making it the superior modus operandi:
    A) it is an action by the electorate, not the power elite;
    B) the electorate has an opportunity to select the replacement for the ousted office-holder, unlike the situation if the office-holder resigns or is removed from office by other means.

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    My perspective: Effen Carillo is a politician; he's not going to resign until that's his only option, no matter how many of us sign a petition (remember Nixon?). Is there some more effective action we could take to oust him?
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    He most certainly needs to go like yesterday; a real disgrace. He needs treatment to get his life together but stay out of politics.
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    Quote theindependenteye wrote: View Post
    I agree that it seems unlikely that he would flat-out resign, unless there's actually a conviction for an offense that mandates more than just a fine. Is there such a thing as a leave of absence, tied to a requirement to complete a serious rehab? .
    I don't understand why ppl keep treating this like it's just a sex scandal. And, with your type of thinking, isn't there a danger of this happening?: " If charged and convicted of a felony he would lose his job under a state government code covering elected officials. Gov. Jerry Brown would appoint a replacement." Definitely do not want to see what the state would do.
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Sign the petition here...

    Quote jbox wrote: View Post
    Is your rationale because you are outraged at Efren's rather stupid behavior or is it just that you disagree with him politically? Did you call for Clinton's resignation because his little head occasionally did the thinking?....
    I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks,... I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. .
    are you supporting him just because you agree with him politically??
    somehow I missed the story about Clinton roaming the neighborhood in his skivvies. Scary image, that.

    and as far as the second part, there's always a neighbor who says "he was such a nice boy. Who would have thought he'd do that?". There's also a bunch 'o groupies for Dzhokhar.
    The American Way is that innocent people aren't assumed guilty till so proven. However -- there's also the (obsolete) cliche about Caesar's wife. Public officials get to meet a different standard, and being busted in sketchy circumstances does indeed impact his ability to serve as a trustworthy representative. So while he maybe shouldn't be tarred and feathered quite yet, I think pressuring him to resign is a very defensible reaction.
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    Friends—

    We received a private email in response to Elizabeth's post about Carrillo (that was Elizabeth's, she just forgot to sign it), and while I want to respect the person's privacy, I need to make a broader point.

    The gist of it was that (a) he's hopeless, (b) the action of breaking and entering is damned serious, and (c) he should resign straightaway.

    I don't know about the first: I've spent my entire career telling stories about people, real and imagined, and anyone who can predict the life trajectory of any human being must be a descendant of the Norns.

    The second I agree with totally.

    And the third I agree with, somewhat reluctantly from a political standpoint: from the dubious vantage point of 71 years, I think politics is a game of balance of powers, that money talks, and that if you get a few good things out of anybody in office, you should be grateful to the Goddess or the Lord of Hosts, take your pick.

    But the reason I write — and I should say it was a respectful and sincere note — was the inclusion of a couple of phrases, and here I must violate nettiquette and quote: "You, and those like you wringing your hands over 'poor Efren'..." and "How can your ilk fail to see..."

    Anger bounces from the perpetrator to anyone who expresses any sort of empathy with the perpetrator. Likewise, the Waccoite who pronounced anathema upon a lawyer who was willing to represent Carrillo. (As if saying, "How dare Atticus Finch defend a nigger?") I guess that the current atmosphere dictates that there are NO middle grounds, gray areas, nuances, and NEVER empathy with your perceived evildoers. We're not "wringing our hands," and I'm not sure exactly who qualifies as "ilk." But I fail to see how the current polarizations do one goddamned fucking bit of good. They just add wind to the hurricane.

    Peace & joy—
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    I, for one, do not believe I have enough facts from the Press Democrat article to make even an educated guess about what actually happened or was potentially about to happen. I certainly don't know enough facts to make a judgment in the case, nor should cases ever be judged by what's in the newspaper. That's why we have courts, judges, and juries.

    While we're generally skeptical of the press, it's easy to be tempted to believe the worst about a politician we don't like. Let's please resist that temptation, maintain our skepticism of news reporting, and support due process for every accused person.

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    Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape.

    I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given
    the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened
    if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight.
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    Conrad,

    You and Elizabeth remain two of the wisest people in Sonoma County.

    That said, I want to mention Game of Thrones, a ridiculously violent HBO show that I've unaccountably come to love. Why? Because of the complex, realistic characterizations. Because of its unwavering antidote to juvenile fantasies of good and evil. Because through watching it I've stopped pouting about things not being the way they "should" be.

    In Game of Thrones good characters do bad things and bad characters do good things. I'm a slow learner, but somehow this show got through to me: just because someone does a bad thing doesn't mean they're not a good person. It also makes very clear another fact of life: people change. Sometimes they learn and become smarter, kinder people. Sometimes they're traumatized or tempted beyond their strength and make stupid, mean mistakes. Either way, their next moves will surprise us.

    We're complex, and every situation involving power makes our complex personal characteristics play out unpredictably in relation to the other complex people involved.

    I like Efren Carrillo. I know a woman who has dated him, and she reports that he has a good heart and is devoted to public service. Not to power, but to service. Every personal encounter I've had with him is consistent with her report.

    I often disagree with him on policy, which isn't surprising. Find me any public servant I always agree with and I'll eat my hat and yours. And, with everyone else, I'm shocked and saddened by his recent drama. This is very bad news.

    I'm also saddened by the knee-jerk attacks from the Wacco community. This man isn't our enemy, he's a young man dealing with stuff most of us couldn't handle in his place. If he were our son or our brother, how would we react to the PD article?

    Whatever his mistakes, he has worked hard for us. He has taken a lot of heat that the rest of us are spared. In a real sense, he is our son and our brother. Let the truth be known, justice be served, and healing be achieved.

    Peace,
    Sandy
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    Re: CARRILLO MUST RESIGN NOW! Sign the petition here...

    Um, ok this is a bit bizarre to say that he needs compassion because he is such a nice person. How could we possibly think he could be a rapist?

    The reality is that the majority of rapists are people that the victim knows. Sometimes very well. Our rape culture makes it easy in a lot of ways for a perfectly normal looking, accessible, concerned person to make that kind of choice to rape another person. To convince themselves that the other person wants it. To say that their no is really a yes. And oh lets put a little alcohol in the mix. With alcohol, all stops are off.

    While compassion is an important quality to have, its not in anyone's interest to say that this person couldn't possibly make that kind of choice. It is possible. Very possible. If the reports in the paper are accurate, the fact that he is walking around in underwear and socks, drunk, and trying to break into the woman's bedroom, doesn't mean he was just looking for a drinking partner. And if he was, it would be very easy for it to be much more violent.

    Yes the victim in this case DOES deserve our compassion and support. She made the call to protect herself.

    Jessica

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    I just can't see him as a burglar or a rapist, no matter how bad this looks, and believe me I think this could be the coup de grace of his political career. I have found him to be accessible, concerned, and a practical politician. On June 30th I e-mailed him about the high river level because I had concern for the 4th celebrations at Monte Rio and he got back to me on Monday morning at 8 AM.

    Remember he's only 32. It's a finely tuned high-wire act to be in politics, wouldn't you agree? A little compassion at least for now might be a little progressive.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    I am so grateful to see this thread, it brought home again what I had witnessed in prior threads: I had falsely believed that west county was where liberal progressive open minded people were... surprise, many of the folks out here are just as reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister. Why wait for facts or more information when you can just express your biased opinions and prejudices, based on your own hate, or rumors and hearsay you got from some other like minded source. Let me be clear; illegal and inappropriate behavior needs to be treated with the appropriate consequences. But there are a whole range of possibilities of what may have happened that morning with Mr. Carrillo. I am appalled by the reactions I have seen here... I certainly hope I never have to face a jury of my peers, especially if some of them are as ignorant, jaundiced and angry as some of the people who have written here appear to be. Now... what sort of negative ugly responses will this receive? Do as you will. Bruce Schmidt in Occidental

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    Henry....You are correct that it could have turned into attempted rape. I also think that this situation had the potential to turn into something worse, much worse, given the facts that we have been presented thus far. And I shudder to think what would have happened if he had made it into that girl's room and she had decided to put up a fight. Thank God she's all right. My heart goes out to her, and I hope that she has not been too traumatized by this shocking event. Sebastacat has been disturbed by this horrible incident all weekend and finds this entire chain of events chilling -- just plain chilling. Enough, I say!
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    I feel compassion for the woman whose home Efren Carrillo attempted to enter WITHOUT her permission at 3:30am. That is a terrifying scenario. Simply, there is no sugar coating that fact. She phoned 911 not once but twice. That also is a fact. His behavior was remarkably self-destructive. For that, he has my sympathy however it doesn't change my opinion that I believe he is unequipped for public service at this time. I'm not interested in why he did what he did. Efren made a choice that night. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to do it. He brought this on himself and because of that I feel sorry for him.
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    >>>I am the culprit and this is my communication. This is a copy; not so much as a comma has been altered. I'm astonished at Conrad's synopsis of my communication. Judge for yourselves.

    It wasn't my intent to misrepresent Henry's post. Nor did I intend to point to anyone as a "culprit." Any summary is an extreme simplification, but the point I was making was relevant to the two phrases I quoted. I intended to be tactful, but sometimes tact fails, as I feel it did with the words "your ilk."

    I don't believe that a statement of empathy is a plea for justification, leniency, or anything resembling hand-wringing bleedingheartedness. It's a very simpleminded statement: look from all angles. We've had many centuries of choosing up sides and war to the death, and about five minutes of trying any less hopeless course.

    I'll leave it there, lest war ensue. My apologies for unintended personal affront, and sorry we don't agree, though I'm not exactly sure what it is that we don't agree.

    Sincerely—
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    Regarding the WACCO response to the charges against Efren Carillo, I find this rush to judgment by a generally progressive, reasonable group of people surprising and appalling Is this kneejerk mob attack mode really appropriate?

    The facts will emerge - two facts already known are that Carillo was unarmed and, yes, in his underwear, a dress mode that makes him more, rather than less, vulnerable.

    This may be the end of his political career as it shows such extremely poor judgment, but, regardless of how much one agrees or disagrees with his positions. this eagerness to vilify and condemn him and to assume the worst without further understanding of the whole situation is wrong-headed, small-minded and disturbing. We can do better.
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Bruce,

    I see nothing "reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister" about we citizens in Efren's district suggesting that he is wrong not to apologize to the victim of his acknowledged ACTION, stop painting himself as a victim of alcoholism, or even resign.

    Note that nobody denies that this was Efren who broke the screen, made noise, and knocked on the door of a woman he barely knew who called 911, in terror, TWICE.

    What on earth is reactionary about insisting that he take responsibility for his actions??

    Liberal, progressive and open minded people have values, too. And taking responsibility, showing remorse, and apologizing, not for "embarrassing actions" but for actions which caused a woman horror and harm, are among those values.

    Quote heresbruce wrote: View Post
    I am so grateful to see this thread, it brought home again what I had witnessed in prior threads: I had falsely believed that west county was where liberal progressive open minded people were... surprise, many of the folks out here are just as reactionary, judgmental and hostile as my Republican mother and Christian sister. Why wait for facts or more information when you can just express your biased opinions and prejudices, based on your own hate, or rumors and hearsay you got from some other like minded source. Let me be clear; illegal and inappropriate behavior needs to be treated with the appropriate consequences. But there are a whole range of possibilities of what may have happened that morning with Mr. Carrillo. I am appalled by the reactions I have seen here... I certainly hope I never have to face a jury of my peers, especially if some of them are as ignorant, jaundiced and angry as some of the people who have written here appear to be. Now... what sort of negative ugly responses will this receive? Do as you will. Bruce Schmidt in Occidental
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    Why has Efren or his spokespeople not apologized to the woman he terrified?

    I have been amazed that there has been no public apology--and that the Press Democrat has yet to discuss this. Here is the letter I wrote from today's Press Democrat...I was glad to see that their editorial today provided more context than their recent news coverage...


    Troubling slant

    EDITOR: I am disappointed and troubled by The Press Democrat's coverage of the recent arrest of Supervisor Efren Carrillo ("Carrillo enters rehab for alcohol abuse," Monday)
    Given that one of the new investors in the newspaper is extensively quoted supporting Carrillo, I would think that the newspaper would make every effort to balance its coverage with sources who believe, as many of Carrillo's constituents do, that this incident is more than an "embarrassment" or something to be miraculously mitigated by treatment for alcoholism.
    Yet except for a spokesperson for the Santa Rosa Police Department and the mention of a petition effort, every source cited spun this as not as bad as it sounds. Equally troubling is that they were all men. Not a single woman was quoted as a source.

    How difficult would it have been to find a woman to quote who might feel very differently about how "bad" our supervisor's actions were that evening and whether alcoholism treatment as a remedy is an adequate response? With a war against women's rights being waged across the nation, we expect better of a newspaper of your caliber."
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    Re: Efren Carrillo arrested on Prowling and Burglary charges!!!!

    Thanks so much, Peacetown J, for expressing better than I ever could exactly how I feel.

    Sandoak and Bruce: So sorry that you believe that several of us who are asking Efren to take responsibility, showing remorse and apologizing for his actions is somehow anti-progressive and out of line. Maybe it's a generational thing, and perhaps I'm just finally showing my age, but I was instilled with these values early on by my parents, BOTH of whom were children of immigrants. And the one thing I remember about my grandparents is that they stood as pillars before me of all that was kind, right and just.

    However, I will make NO apology for taking the position that the only "victim" in this unfortunate incident is the woman whose apartment that Efren tried to enter by breaking her window screen.

    Please re-read the Press Democrat articles. There are at least two mentions of the poor woman being awakened by "the rustling blinds."

    Question: How would you like it if someone attempted to enter YOUR bedroom or the bedroom of someone close to you? My guess is that you'd be singing a completely different tune.

    Kudos to the Santa Rosa Police Department for not falling for his ludicrous story, whatever it may have been.
    At least they had the guts and integrity to not allow Efren to escape arrest for his questionable actions just because he is a powerful and influential elected public official. No matter what one's social or political standing may be, justice must remain blind. Anything less will mean the erosion of our judicial system as we know it.

    Let me also remind you of the fact that those great Americans who conceived our model Judicial system, our Founding Fathers, were the "progressives" of their time.

    While the charges may ultimately be dropped, I will continue to espouse my opinion that there is no excuse for anyone to be running around the neighborhood at 3:40 in the morning in their undies and socks and tampering with someone's window screen.

    My heart goes out to the real victim in this case: the woman whose apartment Efren attempted to enter. I hope and pray that she is not too traumatized to testify at any future judicial proceeding.

    In all the articles which I have read concerning this matter, I've read the words "I," "me," "he" and "Efren" more times
    than I can count.

    I'm still waiting to read the words "she" and "her."

    And, oh, yes, a few others such as "I apologize" and "I'm sorry" would also be nice.

    There's a victim in this, all right, and "he" ​isn't Efren.
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    My apologies to sebastacat, my posting was intended to be in response to the original first posting by Barry, and was NOT directed to you individually. I just realized that is how it appears, and is an error. Mea culpa...

    And Jonathan, it is possible to hold someone culpable for their actions and hold to the process of justice, as well as to be compassionate for the person identified as the victim, but not be calling for the alleged perpetrator's head on a pike... a good attorney would tell their client to say as little as possible in public, and if any apologizing needs to be done, do it in private at the right time, there will be plenty of time later for public statements since whatever is said will be fodder for public forums like this. Bruce in Occidental
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