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    Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    This notice is being posted on behalf of residents of 575 Petaluma Avenue housing complex who are suffering from cancers, neurological and other illnesses. Others have died recently. Their apartments are located within 250 to 500 ft from the Crown Castle cell tower located next to Sonoma West Medical Center.

    Deaths . . .

    Victoria — lived about 260 ft. from the Cell Tower, from 2009 until her death in 2010
    Victoria, in her 30’s, moved into PAH shortly after receiving a diagnosis of breast cancer. When she first arrived she was positive, active, and outgoing. During the one year she lived here however, she grew progressively worse until she needed special care and had to leave. She died shortly afterwards.

    David — lived about 260 ft. from the Cell Tower, from 2009 until his death in 2011
    David, in his 60’s, was a Vietnam Vet and had heart issues. He was found unconscious in his apartment. He died shortly afterwards.

    Erin — lived about 350 ft. from the Cell Tower, from 2009 until her death in 2013
    Eri was in her 20’s when she moved here and was healthy. She was diagnosed with breast cancer shortly after the birth of her child around 2011. She died at age 33 and left a 2 ½ year old son. She died in her apartment.

    Wayne — lived about 300 ft. from the Cell Tower, from 2009 until his death in 2014
    Wayne, in his 60’s, had diabetes which progressed to the point where he became wheel chair bound. Eventually he had one leg then the other leg amputated. He died in the apartment in 2014.

    Tara — lived about 300 ft. from the Cell Tower, from 2009 until her death in 2015
    Tara, in her 70’s, died here in her apartment. She had osteoporosis that progressed to such a point she experienced continual excruciating pain and loss of full mobility. She chose to end her own life via starvation.


    Personal Accounts of Residents of Petaluma and Walker Avenues, Living Within 500 Feet of The Cell Tower

    Current Illnesses . . .

    Judy — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 260 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Judy, in her 50’s, first lived on the first floor — next to the room that contains the three-story building’s bank of electric so-called “Smart Meters” — 48 of them — for about two years. She then moved to the second-floor unit closest to the cell tower. Judy suffers from severe migraines and vertigo.

    Shelaara — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 275 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Shelaara, in her 80’s, developed heart issues after living five years in the third-floor unit closest to the cell tower. She has electrical problems with her heart, just had her third surgical ablation and was recently in the ICU after coding.

    Kathryn — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 300 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Kathryn, in her 70’s, lives on the second floor and is experiencing headaches, dizziness, fatigue, memory fog, inability to sleep through the night and bone and cartilage problems.

    Lee — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 300 ft. from the Cell Tower. since 2010
    Lee lives on the third floor. Lee’s daughter, in her 20’s has experienced debilitating fatigue after living here for four years.

    Maria — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 300 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Maria, in her 40’s. lives on the first floor and has developed breast cancer since living there.

    Carmen — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 350 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2013
    Carmen lives on the second floor and has horrible sleep problems, cartilage/bone issues and experiences memory loss.

    Wendy — has lived at 565 Petaluma Ave. about 450 ft. and then 300 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Wendy first lived on the second-floor room that contains the three-story building’s bank of smart meters, for about two three years. Then she moved to the first floor closer to the cell tower. Since living here, Wendy has developed a condition that has rendered her thyroid to no longer function. Wendy is the mother of Kelly.

    Kelly — has lived at 565 and 567 Petaluma Ave. about 450 ft. and then 550 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Kelly, now in her 20’s, moved into the second-floor unit at 565 Petaluma Ave. with her mother at age 15 and lived there for four years. While at that apartment Kelly had a cyst removed from her ovary at age 16. Also, while living there, she became pregnant and gave birth to her son. In 2013, Kelly moved to 567 Petaluma Ave. In February 2018, Kelly had ovarian cancer surgery which removed a 15-pound tumor and her ovary at age 25. Her son coded three times after his birth and has had three surgeries for breathing issues: the first soon after birth, the second at two years old and the third at four years old.

    Alie — has lived at 567 Petaluma Ave. about 360 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Alie, in her 30’s and her family first lived in 573 Petaluma Ave. for 2-3 years and then moved to 567 Petaluma Ave. which is in direct line with the cell tower. She has been experiencing severe stomach disorder that was first diagnosed as cancer, has lump near breast – under arm which is being monitored, sleep issues, headaches, extreme fatigue. Her 8-year old has morning headaches and tinnitus. Her husband has headaches after 15 minutes and needs to leave their upstairs bedroom

    Sheila and Steven — have lived at on Walker Ave. about 475 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 1988
    Sheila told us the cell tower was built about 15 years ago and has been upgraded several times since then. Sheila, in her 70’s, has Alzheimer’s and is losing her sight. Steven, also in his 70’s has severe dementia.

    Pam — has lived at 577 Petaluma Ave. about 500 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Pam, in her 50’s, has had two skin cancer surgeries and her daughter has been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease. Her daughter just turned 14 years old.

    Connie — has lived at 573 Petaluma Ave. about 500 ft. from the Cell Tower, since 2009
    Connie, in her 60’s, was diagnosed with breast cancer in September 2015. She is experiencing on-going episodes of vertigo, migraines and tinnitus. Her daughter, in her 20’s, was 14 when they moved here and she has since been experiencing headaches and fatigue.

    Refer to the link below for more information:
    http://scientists4wiredtech.com/sebastopol/

    The Palm Drive Health Care District (PDHCD) Board will be requested to revise their agreement with Crown Castle to remove the celltower which has seriously affected the health of nearby residents. Call the PDHCD to express your support:

    Phone: (707) 823-3586
    Alanna Brogan, Executive Director
    [email protected]

    You may also leave an email message with Connie, one the the residents at 575 Petaluma Avenue Homes
    [email protected]
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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    This is indeed an informative and frightening post. What do other WACCOS think?

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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    My husband is wondering what was there before the cell tower was built and if they are on well water.
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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    You might want to attend the Buzz Cafe tonight (Monday Oct 15--7pm) at the Grav Grill to find out more about EMF, cell towers, etc.

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    My husband is wondering what was there before the cell tower was built and if they are on well water.
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    Follow up health crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    Please follow up your gratitude messages by contacting the Palm Drive Health Care District (PDHCD) Board members and the three candidates who are campaigning to be elected or re-elected to the PDHCD Board to urge them to revise their contract with Crown Castle to move the cell tower at least 1500 feet away from Petaluma Avenue Homes and raise the tower to at least 100 feet.

    Time is of the essence. The District is facing bankruptcy. It is unknown what would be the future status of their agreement with Crown Castle, the owner of the celltower. The Board needs to act now. The names and email addresses of Board members and those seeking to become Board members are below:

    Gail Thomas
    [email protected]

    Eira Eklich-Heartt
    [email protected]

    Jim Horn
    [email protected]

    Dan Smith
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    Richard Power
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    Dennis Colthurst
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    Oh, didn't see this info till just now so missed the Buzz Cafe. Sure it was informative.

    Lilith

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    You might want to attend the Buzz Cafe tonight (Monday Oct 15--7pm) at the Grav Grill to find out more about EMF, cell towers, etc.
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    It was an excellent technologically-oriented presentation. Bottom line according to the presenter is that more cell towers equals less EMF issues for smart phone users; your phone doesn't have to work so hard if the cell towers are close in proximity. He also suggested looking into magnetically-based health issues; he didn't elaborate on this, but it would be interesting to know more about this.

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    Oh, didn't see this info till just now so missed the Buzz Cafe. Sure it was informative.
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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    Unfortunately, the information presented by Kee Netherby was misleading and outdated. Although Mr. Netherby is correct is stating that the closer your cellphone is to the nearest the cell tower the less transmission output (microwatts per meter squared) would be required to communicate. It ignores several salient facts. 5G cell towers located 250 ft or closer to your home would expose you to massive amounts of pulsed microwave radiation 24/7. The cumulative exposure to these levels of microwave radiation have been shown by many recent peer-reviewed scientific studies to result in significant adverse health impacts. The 2006 WHO study is now outdated.

    The link below has updated and reliable information on the impacts of cellphone technology:

    http://scientists4wiredtech.com

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    It was an excellent technologically-oriented presentation. Bottom line according to the presenter is that more cell towers equals less EMF issues for smart phone users; your phone doesn't have to work so hard if the cell towers are close in proximity. ...
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    I really appreciate the work people are doing here to get more information out....

    The whole idea of 5G is that no one's phone has to seek out signals... The signals radiate out so whether or not we have phone et cetera, we'll all be irradiated in a soup of EMFs. This is one of the reasons many towns, cities, et cetera are seeking to stop rollout.

    Excellent and informative 9-minute video re: current 2, 3, and 4G radiation and our cell phones, wifi, et cetera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsU...ature=youtu.be

    "5G is something else entirely. Dr. Pall's 54-page article in pdf format: https://s3.amazonaws.com/nghl-ntge/p...march-2018.pdf

    Helpful book by someone who seems knowledgeable: https://www.amazon.com/Non-Tinfoil-G...der_1976109124

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    ....Bottom line according to the presenter is that more cell towers equals less EMF issues for smart phone users; your phone doesn't have to work so hard if the cell towers are close in proximity. He also suggested looking into magnetically-based health issues; he didn't elaborate on this, but it would be interesting to know more about this.
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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the community ... it will be interesting to see if there is a formal investigation and if this story will be picked up by any of our mainstream news networks.

    I'd also like to see comparative research from areas in Sebastopol which are not next to the cell tower, not to debunk the findings, but to see if the death/illness rates ( including pets and farm animals) are also increased by the proliferation of wifi. Just turn your phone to "wifi' to see how many networks are present in any specific neighborhood.

    With cities in Marin starting to ban 5g and wifi being banned in some European schools it's clear that those sounding the alarm are finally being recognized as good citizens and not "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists" ... I have been sharing this story with journalists across the country... thank you again for your work ...

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    This notice is being posted on behalf of residents of 575 Petaluma Avenue housing complex who are suffering from cancers, neurological and other illnesses. Others have died recently. Their apartments are located within 250 to 500 ft from the Crown Castle cell tower located next to Sonoma West Medical Center.

    Deaths . . .

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    Below is what the American Cancer Society says about danger from cell towers. Note particularly two points: 1) "Wood or cement block reduces the exposure level of RF radiation by a factor of about 10" and 2) "The amount of exposure from living near a cell phone tower is typically many times lower than the exposure from using a cell phone"

    Cellular Phone Towers

    Cellular (cell) phones first became widely available in the United States in the 1990s, but since then their use has increased dramatically. The widespread use of cell phones has led to cell phone towers being placed in many communities. These towers, also called base stations, have electronic equipment and antennas that receive and transmit radiofrequency (RF) signals.

    How do cellular phone towers work?

    Cell phone base stations may be free-standing towers or mounted on existing structures, such as trees, water tanks, or tall buildings. The antennas need to be high enough to adequately cover the area. Base stations are usually from 50-200 feet high.

    Cell phones communicate with nearby cell towers mainly through radiofrequency (RF) waves, a form of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum between FM radio waves and microwaves. Like FM radio waves, microwaves, visible light, and heat, they are forms of non-ionizing radiation. This means they do not directly damage the DNA inside cells, which is how stronger (ionizing) types of radiation such as x-rays, gamma rays, and ultraviolet (UV) light are thought to be able to cause cancer.

    At very high levels, RF waves can heat up body tissues. (This is the basis for how microwave ovens work.) But the levels of energy used by cell phones and towers are much lower.

    When a person makes a cell phone call, a signal is sent from the phone’s antenna to the nearest base station antenna. The base station responds to this signal by assigning it an available radiofrequency channel. RF waves transfer the voice information to the base station. The voice signals are then sent to a switching center, which transfers the call to its destination. Voice signals are then relayed back and forth during the call.

    How are people exposed to the energy from cellular phone towers?

    As people use cell phones to make calls, signals are transmitted back and forth to the base station. The RF waves produced at the base station are given off into the environment, where people can be exposed to them.
    The energy from a cellular phone tower antenna, like that of other telecommunication antennas, is directed toward the horizon (parallel to the ground), with some downward scatter. Base station antennas use higher power levels than other types of land-mobile antennas, but much lower levels than those from radio and television broadcast stations. The amount of energy decreases rapidly as the distance from the antenna increases. As a result, the level of exposure to radio waves at ground level is very low compared to the level close to the antenna.

    Public exposure to radio waves from cell phone tower antennas is slight for several reasons. The power levels are relatively low, the antennas are mounted high above ground level, and the signals are transmitted intermittently, rather than constantly.

    At ground level near typical cellular base stations, the amount of RF energy is thousands of times less than the limits for safe exposure set by the US Federal Communication Commission (FCC) and other regulatory authorities. It is very unlikely that a person could be exposed to RF levels in excess of these limits just by being near a cell phone tower.

    When a cellular antenna is mounted on a roof, it is possible that a person on the roof could be exposed to RF levels greater than those typically encountered on the ground. But even then, exposure levels approaching or exceeding the FCC safety guidelines are only likely to be found very close to and directly in front of the antennas. If this is the case, access to these areas should be limited.

    The level of RF energy inside buildings where a base station is mounted is typically much lower than the level outside, depending on the construction materials of the building. Wood or cement block reduces the exposure level of RF radiation by a factor of about 10. The energy level behind an antenna is hundreds to thousands of times lower than in front. Therefore, if an antenna is mounted on the side of a building, the exposure level in the room directly behind the wall is typically well below the recommended exposure limits.

    Do cellular phone towers cause cancer?

    Some people have expressed concern that living, working, or going to school near a cell phone tower might increase the risk of cancer or other health problems. At this time, there is very little evidence to support this idea. In theory, there are some important points that would argue against cellular phone towers being able to cause cancer.

    First, the energy level of radiofrequency (RF) waves is relatively low, especially when compared with the types of radiation that are known to increase cancer risk, such as gamma rays, x-rays, and ultraviolet (UV) light. The energy of RF waves given off by cell phone towers is not enough to break chemical bonds in DNA molecules, which is how these stronger forms of radiation may lead to cancer.

    A second issue has to do with wavelength. RF waves have long wavelengths, which can only be concentrated to about an inch or two in size. This makes it unlikely that the energy from RF waves could be concentrated enough to affect individual cells in the body.

    Third, even if RF waves were somehow able to affect cells in the body at higher doses, the level of RF waves present at ground level is very low – well below the recommended limits. Levels of energy from RF waves near cell phone towers are not significantly different from the background levels of RF radiation in urban areas from other sources, such as radio and television broadcast stations.

    Studies in people

    Very few human studies have focused specifically on cellular phone towers and cancer risk.
    In one large study, British researchers compared a group of more than 1,000 families of young children with cancer against a similar group of families of children without cancer. They found no link between a mother’s exposure to the towers during pregnancy (based on the distance from the home to the nearest tower and on the amount of energy given off by nearby towers) and the risk of early childhood cancer.

    In another study, researchers compared a group of more than 2,600 children with cancer to a group of similar children without cancer. They found that those who lived in a town that could have exposed them to higher than average RF radiation from cellular phone towers in the previous 5 years had a slightly higher risk of cancer, although not of any certain type of cancer (like leukemia or brain tumors). This study estimated the children’s possible exposure based on the number of towers in their town and how strong the signals were from the towers. It did not look at actual exposure of any individual child based on how far their home or school was from a tower. This limitation reduces confidence in the results of the study.

    One study looked for signs of DNA and cell damage in blood cells as a possible indicator of cancer-causing potential. They found that the damage was no worse in people who lived near a cell phone tower as compared with those didn’t.

    The amount of exposure from living near a cell phone tower is typically many times lower than the exposure from using a cell phone. About 30 studies have looked at possible links between cell phone use and tumors in people. Most studies to date have not found a link between cell phone use and the development of tumors, although these studies have had some important limitations. This is an area of active research. For more information, see Cellular Phones.

    Studies done in the lab

    Laboratory studies have looked at whether the types of RF waves used in cell phone communication can cause DNA damage. Most of these studies have supported the idea that the RF waves given off by cell phones and towers don't have enough energy to damage DNA directly. Because of this, it’s not clear how cell phones and towers might be able to cause cancer, but research in this area continues.

    Some scientists have reported that RF waves may produce other effects in human cells (in lab dishes) that might possibly help tumors grow. However, these studies have not been verified, and these effects weren’t seen in a study that looked at the blood cells from people living near a cellular phone tower.

    Several studies in rats and mice have looked at whether RF energy might promote the development of tumors caused by other known carcinogens (cancer-causing agents). These studies did not find evidence of tumor promotion, but this is still an area of research.

    A large study by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed groups of lab rats and mice to RF energy over their entire bodies for about 9 hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for up to 2 years (which is the equivalent of about 70 years for humans, according to NTP scientists). In a draft report of the final results (released in February 2018), the study found an increased risk of tumors called malignant schwannomas of the heart in male rats exposed to RF radiation. But some aspects of this study make it hard to know just how these results might apply to RF exposure from cell phone towers in people. For example, there was no increased risk among female rats or among male or female mice in the study. The doses of RF radiation in the study were also generally higher than those people are exposed to when using cell phones (much less being near a cell phone tower). The male rats in the study exposed to RF waves also lived longer, on average, than the rats who were not exposed, for unclear reasons. Still, the results add evidence to the idea that the signals used in cell phone communication might potentially impact human health.

    What expert agencies say

    About cell phone towers

    The 3 expert agencies that usually classify cancer-causing exposures (carcinogens) – the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), the National Toxicology Program (NTP), and the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) – have not classified cell phone towers specifically as to their cancer-causing potential.
    The US Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has said this about cell phone towers near homes or schools:

    “Radiofrequency emissions from antennas used for cellular and PCS [personal communications service] transmissions result in exposure levels on the ground that are typically thousands of times below safety limits. These safety limits were adopted by the FCC based on the recommendations of expert organizations and endorsed by agencies of the Federal Government responsible for health and safety. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that such towers could constitute a potential health hazard to nearby residents or students.”

    About RF radiation

    Some of the agencies that classify cancer-causing exposures have, however, made statements about radiofrequency radiation.

    The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified RF fields as “possibly carcinogenic to humans,” based on limited evidence of a possible increase in risk for brain tumors among cell phone users, and inadequate evidence for other types of cancer. (For more information on the IARC classification system, see Known and Probable Human Carcinogens.) IARC also noted that exposure to the brain from RF fields from cell phone base stations (mounted on roofs or towers) is less than 1/100th the exposure to the brain from mobile devices such as cell phones.

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) states:
    “At very high levels, RF energy is dangerous. It can heat the body's tissues rapidly. However, such high levels are found only near certain equipment, such as powerful long-distance transmitters. Cellphones and wireless networks produce RF, but not at levels that cause significant heating. In addition, RF energy decreases quickly over distance. At ground level, exposure to RF from sources like cellphone towers is usually very low.
    Some people are concerned about potential health effects, especially on the developing brains and bodies of children. Some studies suggest that heavy long-term use of cellphones could have health effects. Other studies don't find any health effects from cellphone use. Long-term studies on animals exposed to the RF found in wireless networks (Wi-Fi) have, so far, found no health effects. Scientists continue to study the effects of long-term exposure to low levels of RF.”

    Can I limit my exposure?

    Cell phone towers are not known to cause any health effects. But if you are concerned about possible exposure from a cell phone tower near your home or office, you can ask a government agency or private firm to measure the RF field strength near the tower (where a person could be exposed) to ensure that it is within the acceptable range.

    What should I do if I’ve been exposed to cellular phone towers?

    There is no test to measure whether you have been exposed to RF radiation from cellular phone towers. But as noted above, most researchers and regulatory authorities do not believe that cell phone towers pose health risks under ordinary conditions. If you have additional health concerns, you might want to talk with your doctor.

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    " most researchers and regulatory authorities do not believe that cell phone towers pose health risks under ordinary conditions"

    What "regulatory authorities" do you trust with your health? Who's doing the research? What regulatory authorities?

    Who do you trust to guard your health?
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    Re: Health Crisis at Petaluma Avenue Homes

    From CBS Channel 5 in SF, from January 2018:

    ConsumerWatch: 5G Cellphone Towers Signal Renewed Concerns Over Impacts on Health

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    " most researchers and regulatory authorities do not believe that cell phone towers pose health risks under ordinary conditions"

    What "regulatory authorities" do you trust with your health? Who's doing the research? What regulatory authorities?

    Who do you trust to guard your health?
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    additional info about implications of harm being done even before planned rollout of 5G:
    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-ki...ases-underway/

    "Lloyd’s of London Insurance Won’t Cover Smartphones – WiFi – Smart Meters – Cell Phone Towers By Excluding ALL Wireless Radiation Hazards.... .... Interestingly, this also includes the use of electromagnetic radiation emitted from Smart Meters (AMR, AMI, PLC), from Home Area Network devices and appliances (including thermostats), from Wi-Fi transmitters, from wireless devices in schools, offices, and homes, and from wireless sensors and wireless-connected fire alarms.

    Investors are also being warned: "Mobile phone corporations including Blackberry, EE, Nokia and Vodafone have more recently informed investors they could face new forms of legal action from device users.."
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    good article, but, again, it's about cell phones and not cell phone transmission antennas...

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