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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    http://looplink.natl.cbre.us/xNet/Lo...RID=0&IP=false

    If you click on the brochure attached to the above link, you will see the Peet's lease is acknowledged and a second lease is pending and a third space is still available. Too small for an indoor tennis court...
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    Re: Peet's Coffee moving in next door to CVS.

    " were you here for the fight to stop the Barlow? It was not welcomed by many and many fought it. "

    This is an interesting re-write of history. As I remember it, the huge fight was over what was then called the Northeast Plan, which would have zoned that area for denser development, including housing above retail. It was fought hard by the anti-growth forces, and the rezoning ultimately failed.

    That left the area open to development based on the existing zoning, which is what allowed the Barlow. There was virtually no comment or opposition to the Barlow.

    The Barlow is OK for what it is (basically a tourist mall) but not if you were looking for vibrant and intelligently managed growth of our community.

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    photolite, were you here for the fight to stop the Barlow? It was not welcomed by many and many fought it. CVS and now Peet's are only the most recent of a series of defeats by opponents to growth in Sebastopol. ...
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    Re: Peet's Coffee moving in next door to CVS.

    Quote denise wrote: View Post
    ... The Barlow is OK for what it is (basically a tourist mall) but not if you were looking for vibrant and intelligently managed growth of our community.
    And that's why it was fought. Not a re-write, but an addendum to the fight over the NE plan, which took a lot of energy from the community. Perhaps that was the reason the comment was muted when it came to the Barlow. I've sent your post to a friend and fellow adversary for her comment. The usual developer trick of asking for more than one could get and then being satisfied with "less", which was what was possible and to still make money.
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    Re: Peet's Coffee moving in next door to CVS.

    I don't recall any fight to stop the Barlow. As Denise says it matched the zoning and didn't need the same kind of changes as the Northeast Plan. And by the way, the Northeast PLAN was not a development but a general plan amendment to change the zoning of the area to allow housing and other uses. I was a sort of supporter of the plan - although it had a lot of flaws. But if approved, we might not have the terrible housing shortage we have now. Instead, we have a tourist trap. I actually like some of the places in the Barlow, but housing would have been much better.
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    Re: Peet's Coffee moving in next door to CVS.

    The NE plan was not from a developer. It was a specific plan for the general plan put forth by the city. Yes, the main landowner hoped to benefit from it. When the plan failed he decided to do something else with the land.
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    ...The usual developer trick of asking for more than one could get and then being satisfied with "less", which was what was possible and to still make money.
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    Re: Peet's Coffee moving in next door to CVS.

    By the way, there are two openings on the Sebastopol Planning Commission for the upcoming four year terms.

    If you want to be involved in planning for our town this is one way to do it.

    More information and an application are located here:

    https://ci.sebastopol.ca.us/City-Gov...ing-Commission
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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    I glanced thru the thread and I don/t get the concerns if they are there. Its' on the edge of town, and obviously the feasibility studies revealed that we can handle another coffee place besides what we have.
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    http://looplink.natl.cbre.us/xNet/Lo...RID=0&IP=false

    If you click on the brochure attached to the above link, you will see the Peet's lease is acknowledged and a second lease is pending and a third space is still available. Too small for an indoor tennis court...
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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    Quote gypsey wrote: View Post
    I glanced thru the thread and I don/t get the concerns if they are there. Its' on the edge of town,...
    It's going in next to the new CVS, downtown. While I'd prefer a local business, I don't have a problem with this.

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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    Gypsey, on the edge of town? Adjacent to two major roads going through the heart of Sebastopol??

    Busy through traffic place, good location that may affect traffic flow, that is the urban nature of any town/city. I live in a rural country location for peace and quiet, and then go to shop where the goods are: towns and cities. It is a sometimes daunting challenge to deal with traffic and human behavior but also satisfies getting my worldly needs met and also offers a chance to visit friends who live there; a necessary travail... c'est la vie.

    What befuddles me is that some of the folks in Sebastopol act as if they are living in a remote bucolic idyll, wanting everyone to treat it as such, rather than a growing urban crossroads combining both elements. I used to love Sebastopol, and my children frequently were there: the edge-of-town or downtown suburbs offer places that are placid and rural-like, but close to roads and services provided in urban settings, and I could get in, park and it was pleasant walking about. But rather than facilitating access into, through and then out, the town currently feels to me like a huge traffic jammed parking lot. I hope it is a phase it will pass through, but currently, I avoid Sebastopol, and go to other areas for shopping, coffee, visiting... too bad, but so it goes. I hope folks can figure out how to honor being a center having elements of both city and country. Good luck!
    Bruce Schmidt, Bridgehaven

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    I glanced thru the thread and I don/t get the concerns if they are there. Its' on the edge of town, and obviously the feasibility studies revealed that we can handle another coffee place besides what we have.
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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    Vote with your bucks. Stay out of there. And Starbucks. And CVS. Shouldn't be difficult we have some great coffee in town these days.
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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    I gotta comment on your line "I used to love Sebastopol".

    What makes this place a great place to live is not the buildings, businesses or highways. It's the natural beauty of the area, closeness to the coast, & the people who live here.

    Last week I skimmed an article is SF magazine, listing the 100 best places to live in the Bay Area. Sebastopol was #30, with the comment "Forget the numbers—Sebastopol might be the best place in the world.".

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    ...What befuddles me is that some of the folks in Sebastopol act as if they are living in a remote bucolic idyll, wanting everyone to treat it as such, rather than a growing urban crossroads combining both elements. I used to love Sebastopol, and my children frequently were there: the edge-of-town or downtown suburbs offer places that are placid and rural-like, but close to roads and services provided in urban settings, and I could get in, park and it was pleasant walking about. But ...
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    Re: Peet's Coffee [is not] moving in next door to CVS.

    One reason the downtown area is so congested is that employees of the small businesses take up parking; as well as commuters who park near downtown to take public transit. The one that bugs me is all the supposed single family dwellings which rent out rooms and their tenants park on the street. However, Sebastopuddlers are responsible in part for voting down a bypass which the county wanted to put in some 30 years ago. Did YOUR vote count?
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