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    New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Across from Taylor Maid. Who's doing that ?
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Quote JimmyL wrote: View Post
    Across from Taylor Maid. Who's doing that ?
    The new 60 room Barlow Hotel Proposal was submitted by Peter Stanley with ArchiLOGIX.

    It is at a different location than the previous Barlow Hotel proposal.

    This will be discussed at the Tuesday, September 12th, Planning Commission Meeting
    7pm at the Sebastopol Community Center Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street.

    More info about that meeting is here.

    The site is across from Taylor Maid:


    A 4 story building is being proposed:
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    Full staff report is here.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    I read the flyer about the 9/12 meeting that was posted on the foundry door, and I think it said that public comments at the meeting would be restricted to changes from the original proposal -- what original proposal?? Is this a proposal for another hotel development, or a move and redesign of the one already discussed across from the plaza? If there will be two Barlow Hotels, yikes! If only the one, why not on the original parcel, where the existing structures have been demolished -- I thought that was a done deal, after much huffing and puffing on all sides.

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    The new 60 room Barlow Hotel Proposal was submitted by Peter Stanley with ArchiLOGIX.

    It is at a different location than the previous Barlow Hotel proposal.

    This will be discussed at the Tuesday, September 12th, Planning Commission Meeting
    7pm at the Sebastopol Community Center Youth Annex, 425 Morris Street.

    More info about that meeting is here.

    The site is across from Taylor Maid:


    Full staff report is here.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

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    I read the flyer about the 9/12 meeting ...
    This proposal is completely separate from the approved new hotel project across from the plaza. That hotel is not a "Barlow Hotel".

    The Barlow had received approval for a hotel at a different location within the Barlow (that is now in use by new tenants). So I believe this will be essentially treated as a new project, but there may be some approvals that carry over.

    There should be a presentation by the developer at Tuesday's Preliminary Review at the Planning Commission's meeting. There should also be time for public comment. The project will require a re-zoning. See the staff report for more details.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    This is instead of the other hotel proposed? Or in addition to?
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Quote jesswolfe wrote: View Post
    This is instead of the other hotel proposed? Or in addition to?
    This proposed hotel is IN ADDITION to the approved hotel project on the plaza.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    What is up with the new location? It could be fun; except, the hotel seems to be pretty expensive. So, can we meet for drinks to discuss how to make it real? This could be fun, really; think about it!
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Any reports from the planning commission meeting? The City of Sonoma just rejected a boutique hotel in favor of housing and I think Sebastopol has similar needs whereas another boutique hotel would exacerbate the very challenging housing situation we are already in. Here's info from the Sonoma hotel decision http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/7413822-181/developer-drops-plans-for-controversial?artslide=0

    Interestingly, the Barlow was planned for housing back in 2006 -- "At the time, the city wanted to bulldoze all the old buildings and rebuild the center of Sebastopol around 300 new housing units and 100,000 square feet of retail, http://www.northbaybiz.com/General_Articles/General_Articles/Reinventing_the_Barlow.php
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    I appreciate your posting and agree 100%. Even though housing doesn't bring in TOT or sales tax for the City of Sebastopol. Reasonably priced housing is where the need is before another Boutique (high price) Hotel.

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    Any reports from the planning commission meeting? The City of Sonoma just rejected a boutique hotel in favor of housing and I think Sebastopol has similar needs whereas another boutique hotel would exacerbate the very challenging housing situation we are already in. ...
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Those were market rate houses, that would not have helped the housing situation of the low or even medium income. That is why we organized and stopped it.

    Quote jerichsalud wrote: View Post
    ...Interestingly, the Barlow was planned for housing back in 2006 -- "At the time, the city wanted to bulldoze all the old buildings and rebuild the center of Sebastopol around 300 new housing units and 100,000 square feet of retail, More info
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Housing is housing.

    It's well documented that that one of the principle forces driving up the cost of housing in CA is all the opposition to any new housing proposed. The result is a continued shortage of housing, which drives the price up.

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    Those were market rate houses, that would not have helped the housing situation of the low or even medium income. That is why we organized and stopped it.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    I always feel more secure when a man explains things to me and he knows that his opinion is well-documented.

    Quote tommy wrote: View Post
    Housing is housing.

    It's well documented that that one of the principle forces driving up the cost of housing in CA is all the opposition to any new housing proposed. The result is a continued shortage of housing, which drives the price up.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    Thank you, Magick for the clarification. That was information that was not included in the article. I agree we need affordable housing and that market rate housing is not as effective if we want diverse communities and to provide housing that is accessible to our vulnerable community members.

    This research might be of interest: UC Berkeley researches found through their research on Bay Area housing that among other things, "both market-rateand subsidized housing development can reduce displacementpressures, but subsidized housing is twice as effectiveas market-rate development at the regional level." http://www.urbandisplacement.org/sites/default/files/images/udp_research_brief_052316.pdf

    Seems like a good reason to prioritize affordable housing and especially in the midst of this unprecedented housing crisis.

    Jacob

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    Those were market rate houses, that would not have helped the housing situation of the low or even medium income. That is why we organized and stopped it.
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    Re: New hotel proposal in Barlow

    In 2003 the Sebastopol City Council recognized that the old apple processing district in the northeast area of the city would eventually come under pressure to develop. The General Plan at the time allowed for what we now see there - a tourist oriented, low density zone that few of us local residents visit for more than a loaf of Village Baker's great bread or a cup of coffee at Taylor Maid.

    We wanted to guide development in a different direction, one that would be a higher density, pedestrian oriented mix of residential and retail, similar to Windsor's new downtown or Petaluma's Theater District.

    The Northeast Area Plan for the area now mostly occupied by The Barlow called for 300 units of new housing, 20% of which would be affordable to low income families. The housing would have been in the upper stories of buildings occupied by retail and commercial businesses on the ground floor. All new construction, including streets and sidewalks, would have been on a platform raised above the 100 year flood level, with parking below.

    It would have provided Sebastopol an extension of our downtown with a public plaza not surrounded by a state highway. McKinley Street would have been a pedestrian lane. In exchange for allowing a fourth story on certain buildings, we would have been able to negotiate a designated space for a new public library. All new construction would have been required to have either living roof systems or solar roofs.

    The plan was developed over a four year period with participation by several hundred residents and supported by both environmentalists and the business community. In 2008 a group of people who were opposed to any new residential development organized a campaign to stop its formal adoption. Their argument was that it was "too big", that it would create unbearable traffic jams and that it would destroy Sebastopol's small town character.

    This group succeeded in electing a council majority which rejected the plan in March of 2008. That majority, Sarah Gurney, Guy Wilson and Linda Kelley essentially voted for The Barlow as the preferred alternative to more housing. Sebastopol will have to live with the consequences of this decision for many years to come.
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