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    Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    "I regret that President Trump is slandering our country in his attempts to find reasons for what he wants to do in closing off the United States. I suspect that his actual knowledge of the issue is extremely limited. If it were not for the massive turmoil that could ensue, I would urge him to skip one of his golfing weekends and come to us and see for himself."
    --Carl Bildt, former Prime Minister of
    Sweeden
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    snake
     

    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    Quote Moon wrote: View Post
    "I regret that President Trump is slandering our country in his attempts to find reasons for what he wants to do in closing off the United States. I suspect that his actual knowledge of the issue is extremely limited. If it were not for the massive turmoil that could ensue, I would urge him to skip one of his golfing weekends and come to us and see for himself."
    --Carl Bildt, former Prime Minister of
    Sweeden

    *Screw Carl Bildt...He is just another snobby, 'elite', weasel word, BSing politician who hasn't given a sh*t about Swedish immigrants, and immigrant assimilation for over 20 yrs. Therefore, he didn't give a crud about the safety of his own citizenry.

    Yes, there are big problems with mass immigration in Sweden, as well as other parts of Europe.

    "Trump is right about Immigrants"...

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    ..."I am afraid of this place exploding"...
    ..."they can't calm us down with nice words"...
    --Residents of Rinkeby. '93

    ..."Rinkeby is nice"...
    --Carl Bildt. '93 (weasel word, Carl Bildt, after meeting with frustrated and angry Rinkeby residents at a town hall).

    "The no go zone of Rinkeby - Then and Now!"...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0SmKcdg5pQM

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    An immigrant in Sweden posts about immigration in Sweden.

    "Welcome To Sweden"

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw

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    "THE STATUS IN SWEDEN 2017 - By a Swede"
    "I, as a Swede, would say that Sweden is in a crisis."..

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWkTrtuhMw

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    "Head of Swedish Ambulance Drivers Union...No Go Zones are Reality for Us."...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5a02MzWjE

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    "Swedish reality today 55 no go zones for police and locals"...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsEqKjP9p0

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    Swedish Mainstream Media Is "Hiding The Full Picture": Trump Is Right About Immigrants"...

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...out-immigrants

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    "Swedish Feminists Leaving Stockholm Suburbs as Islamic Fundamentalists Now "Ruling" Those Areas"...

    https://newsline.com/swedish-feminis...-ruling-areas/

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    "Swedish police were forced to run for their lives after being attacked by a mob of asylum seekers as they tried to relocate amid allegations a 10-year-old boy had been 'raped repeatedly' at a refugee centre. Read more:"

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4czkLJ3HX ..

    (I am assuming you maybe know of the practice of Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan...culturally acceptable boy slave rape).

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    "SWEDISH police are being attacked as they struggle to cope with crime in "no-go" areas of the country with high migrant populations, a report has revealed"...

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-crime-rockets

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    "Sweden on the Brink" An interview with Dr. Tito Sanandaji

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/swede...matias-tavares

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    Hand Grenades...Sweden

    "Along with a number of shootings, the summer of 2015 was dubbed "the summer of unrest" by Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, who during a speech said the attacks would "not be tolerated".[74] Some hundred new police officers were set to be appointed in Malmö in the following months, after concerns were raised by the regional police union.[75] Police began work the same summer of attempting to thwart "mass hysteria" among terrified Malmö residents.[76]
    In 2017 the Swedish government has proposed harsher punishments for possession of grenades.[77]"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...acks_in_Sweden

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    *Posting above was composed before terrorist attack in Stockholm, Sweden, on April 7, 2017.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/328925...-a-no-go-zone/

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/0...ce-riot-day-2/

    http://www.dn.se/sthlm/dn-fotograf-m...lad-i-rinkeby/

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...e-its-not-safe

    http://www.government.se/articles/20...ime-in-sweden/...
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweden.

    All of our governments need to take in refugees and let them know, as soon as they apply and repeatedly therafter, that grossly brutal practices are illegal and will lead to years of imprisonment, followed by deportation. (Well, of course, good luck with that when, even in California, we can't keep our own cops from routinely carrying out grossly brutal practices.) Then we need to ride herd on the populations from regions where those practices are accepted and educate the public to be alert for the signs of such behavior. How to pay for that supervision? How about we do what the most senior generals and admirals have been requesting for years--mothballing nine-tenths of the nuclear arsenal--and fund it for the next 20 years?
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    Quote snake wrote: View Post
    *Screw Carl Bildt...He is just another snobby, 'elite', weasel word, BSing politician who hasn't given a sh*t about Swedish immigrants, and immigrant assimilation for over 20 yrs. Therefore, he didn't give a crud about the safety of his own citizenry.
    right, 'cuz he's a politician, so he must be evil. And a snob. You know what they're all like - just the same as all immigrants are alike.

    I don't know enough about most of the sites you quoted to know if they're the equivalent of the New York Times (yeah, I know, a liberal rag) or something reliable like Breitbart. I do know the Sun, though, and for those of you who don't, here's the page referred to by the OP.


    Looks like a reputable source to me!

    I'm sure Sweeeden has problems with immigrants. It can't be easy for immigrants to fully assimilate. Even here, we have a lot of crime perpetrated by immigrants. Of course we have a lot more crime perpetrated by natural-born citizens. I don't know why the Sweeeedish experience would be all that different.
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    What do we know about Sweden? Do you know anyone from there? I know three, yes they are rare, a great place too be, but they are here.

    Germany too, lots of immigrants there. The news is interesting, important for here.

    The point is open borders or no. We know how trump won. Shall we continue the self deception... how long is it possible? I'm a hands on man. I've benefited and suffered from our current policy. Where is the world going? Open borders or no, or continue the current confusing self deception?
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    Quote rossmen wrote: View Post
    What do we know about Sweden?
    my point exactly. A lousy choice of boogeyman. A few anecdotes from questionable sources is good for entertainment value only. And to quote the queen, "I am NOT entertained".
    The point is open borders or no. We know how trump won. Shall we continue the self deception... how long is it possible? I'm a hands on man. I've benefited and suffered from our current policy. Where is the world going? Open borders or no, or continue the current confusing self deception?
    no, that's not the point. We've never had anything close to an open-border policy. This country's always been rough on immigrants. They're always demonized. Even when the native population had open borders, the European powers controlled immigration here.
    I don't get the 'self deception' part either. Nobody's being Pollyana, but there seem to be several with apocalyptic tendencies. The idea of keeping out all immigrants because some cause problems is on a par with getting all men out of the country because they're disproportionately violent. Actually, I know that idea resonates with some people.
    The key to living a humane life is to care about others, and to inconvenience yourself in order to benefit them. This whole 'America First' thing is so selfish I can't believe it. As I often have pointed out, it's not something you'd expect from a 'christian' nation. The whole ethical system of christianity is based on kindness and self-sacrifice. So even if in theory the immigrants are illegal and thus deserve whatever they get, in practice taking actions that harm so many people, or even neglecting to take action that could help people in need, is pretty evil.
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    The problem with us is we don't think to learn from other nations. So do we want to go the way of Sweden or Canada? Both we can admire, with different immigrant policys. And as our current president ran on, neither choice is possible without stronger southern border. Myself, l'm for open borders, I'm comfortable with chaos and change.
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    my point exactly. A lousy choice of boogeyman. ....
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweden.

    Quote Moon wrote: View Post
    All of our governments need to take in refugees and let them know, as soon as they apply and repeatedly therafter, that grossly brutal practices are illegal and will lead to years of imprisonment, followed by deportation. ...
    In the U.S. at least, we are suppose to have a darn tough vetting system. I'd like it to be even tougher, in light of all the terrorist wannabees around. I don't know if any Governments 'need' to take more people in...Most countries including the U.S. can't handle what they already have. Several gruesome, evil terrorist attacks, and more to come.

    I'm for doing a lot better helping our own drugged-out, mentally-ill citizens living in tent cities first, among other things.

    Oh well. It's nice to help people out when we can...and people all over the world do need a whole heck of a lot of help...But, our intelligence agencies are already overloaded, and we already have enough yahoos wanting to be like those evil, sick IS bastards.

    Geez, a chef, and a guy who works in a cancer treatment center, how nice.

    2 Chicago men arrested for holding ISIS flag, threatening to throw homosexuals from Sears Tower

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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    podfish wrote:
    "right, 'cuz he's a politician, so he must be evil. And a snob. You know what they're all like - just the same as all immigrants are alike."
    "I do know the Sun, though, and for those of you who don't, here's the page referred to by the OP."
    ***********

    What kind of posting is that, podfish?

    I didn't state the guy was 'evil', but did state he was a snobby ahole, because he was, and so are other politicians. And who stated, "all politicians', and 'all immigrants' are alike"?

    Try to comprehend correctly please, because I really do not like it when people assume things, and pull assumptions out of thin air. It's a nasty human tendency when people don't like, or don't agree with what someone else is saying, or writing.

    I posted a variety of links...I can't help it if some sites have sleezy ads...So, since you made a big deal, and got a kick about some sleazy ads, and not on what some citizens, and an economist are talking about, I guess that is where your brain likes to go..
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

    rossman wrote:
    " The idea of keeping out all immigrants... This whole 'America First' thing is so selfish I can't believe it. As I often have pointed out, it's not something you'd expect from a 'christian' nation. The whole ethical system of christianity is based on kindness and self-sacrifice."...


    When has anyone of note recently stated something about keeping 'out all immigrants'?

    And why is 'America First' 'so 'selfish'?... We are one of the most generous countries in the world...And we've got Vets killing themselves every day, a lack of proper training for vocational jobs, many inner city kids and families not doing so good, and more needy homeless, and others on the streets than I have ever seen before, etc. etc.

    ..."The whole ethical system of christianity is based on kindness and self-sacrifice."...And how much 'kindness', and 'self-sacrifice' would that be?

    A Swedish family just lost their beautiful 12 year old daughter in this last terrorist attack. A mother with an 18 month old murdered and so mangled it took over two days to identify her, and who ironically helped rejected asylum seekers like the one who murdered her.

    Is that enough 'self-sacrifice' for you? How about you 'self-sacrificing' yourself?

    That rejected asylum seeker, and all the other terrorists, committed the ultimate 'self-sacrifice' for Allah, and believed they were going to paradise for their 'self-sacrifice.'

    Sometimes, maybe it's better to be 'selfish', if you are 'selfish' about the right things.
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweeden.

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    I said: 'This whole 'America First' thing is so selfish I can't believe it. "

    your reply:
    And why is 'America First' 'so 'selfish'?... We are one of the most generous countries in the world...

    .. And I also said: "The whole ethical system of christianity is based on kindness and self-sacrifice.".
    your reply:

    ..And how much 'kindness', and 'self-sacrifice' would that be?
    ...
    Sometimes, maybe it's better to be 'selfish', if you are 'selfish' about the right things.
    I should probably insert a quote from some dictionary... The phrase "America First" is "Me first" spread around more widely. And a kid coming up to the teacher saying "me first" stops being cute after kindergarten. You're also not disputing my statement about christian ethics.

    Of course people need to act in their own self-interest and that of their family and community. But that's not a blank check, and damning a whole class of people because of the actions of a few is indeed evil. So no, it's never better to be selfish. It might be smart to be careful, but callous disregard for the needs of others is shameful.
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweden.

    Could we all take a deep breath?
    The first c in waccobb.net stands for conscious, and I think what all of us mean by that is something beyond "not in coma." The flaming, sarcasm, ill-wishing (e.g., for someone to lose a loved one to terrorism) and just all-around uglymouth that have shown up in my Inbox have given me serious pause, though. Can everyone keep in mind that we're all trying to figure a way out of the same dilemma: how to keep the largest possible number of people safe (i.e., both people fleeing battle zone, starvation, etc., and those already living here)?
    Thank you.
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    Re: Immigrants improve Sweden.

    Quote Moon wrote: View Post
    Could we all take a deep breath?
    The first c in waccobb.net stands for conscious, and I think what all of us mean by that is something beyond "not in coma." The flaming, sarcasm, ill-wishing (e.g., for someone to lose a loved one to terrorism) and just all-around uglymouth that have shown up in my Inbox have given me serious pause, though. Can everyone keep in mind that we're all trying to figure a way out of the same dilemma: how to keep the largest possible number of people safe (i.e., both people fleeing battle zone, starvation, etc., and those already living here)?
    Thank you.
    you don't think sarcasm is appropriate??? I can't really imagine a reassuring "sure, that's a great point you have... let me maybe possibly disagree a little bit if you don't mind?? I don't think this site's particularly troubled by flaming or trolling. Obviously not all agree, but a public forum for debate can be civil even when it's not affirming. It's certainly conscious!!
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