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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Hi- I viewed this videos in full
    I appreciated the tone of the candidates. Yes if only our national candidates
    Could be so civil right.

    Each candidate gave an intro of themselves, unfortunately, Lynda did not actually
    Tell us her bio, went right on into something else- but i know her bio.

    I heard many good questions put to the candidates. And both answered pretty succinctly
    And along the same lines.
    I heard questions regarding road maintenance- many roads will actually never be roads again because they’ve been allowed to turn back into gravel (BOS eliminated a lot of road maintenance back during the recession)
    I heard them talk of pot revenue to help solve some of our problems up here, and roads being one of them

    Questions about signage problems as in “hey where did my sign go”, etc..etc. ok folks, Personally, i really don't care!

    A TPP question, though this is out of the hands of BOS (yeah, really) they weighed in on it just the same

    Traffic safety, lane safety, etc was important to people. I mean, after all, too many people on bikes alone have been wiped out on our roads- no excuse- fix it dammit.

    Question on Septic systems- huge problem which both candidates pretty much agree is Not just the individual homeowner problem but a community problem
    Composting toilets and their pilot programs- hardly any programs but would be an answer -so much red-tape
    in my opinion County has stonewalled people on this forever-what is ever gonna change that-

    Then they asked about runoff from AG, Roundup and Caltrans involvement in solutions as well.

    So, as always not one person comes before these candidates and asks about the impact of
    The cost of law enforcement on our communities. Or how LE serves, and does not serve
    Our communities. How people of color regard LE and what is, specifically the Sherrif Department doing to restore trust in them? Freitas would site a bunch of bull but nothing really translates to boots on the ground! -Jail Beatings are making news, latest being a man's leg amputated because the jail refused him medical care-these are issues that MUST be important to the people of our community- if Both these candidates care anything about the poorest of the poor, they must hold law enforcement accountable!! And, if their answer is, "i'm glad we have oversight now"- i think i'm gonna throw up because that tells me they haven't researched law enforcement whatsoever....

    no one seems to realize or care or understand that just like there is no $$ for many of the things they are asking these candidates to help solve or asking them where the $$$ will come from to fund much needed improvements for 5th District needs, no one asks them why Law Enforcement gets such a big chunk out of the budget when so many other areas are in dire need ?

    I did not hear any great visionary stuff from Lynda Hopkins, Tom, but I did not hear it from Noreen either.
    They are just people and they are just candidates and they have some preferred approaches to how they would like to come into their position as a Board member if they make it. I just don’t see any miracle maker but I do believe, Noreen has a huge edge, she has been a constant in working towards important environmental change. I love pot for potholes and both candidates strongly support TOT $$$'s from our district STAYs in our district-i believe, when the
    BOS, basically steals money from some districts and puts it into general fund that sucks- but, i'm a simple person- seems like stealing to me. will either of these candidates change this?

    i want to reiterate, however, i believe neither Lynda or Noreen want to take on law enforcement and talk about it much- and from my perspective, this is the elephant in the room- or maybe, ONE, of the (important) elephants in the room huh.
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    I watched all those videos. It seemed like they pretty much agree on everything. Can someone point to differences in their policies or positions? ....
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Yeah, law enforcement policy is the hot potato, these women won't touch it unless forced. Now is the time they are least able to avoid the elephant. Once elected, the electoral structure gives them a pass, by design. But the bos does have the power by funding, is either of them willing to challenge the state? Plenty of money to finance jail construction straight jackets while cutting county mental health, happening now. I would think noreen would be better at this, with all her experience.

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    ...i want to reiterate, however, i believe neither Lynda or Noreen want to take on law enforcement and talk about it much- and from my perspective, this is the elephant in the room- or maybe, ONE, of the (important) elephants in the room huh.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Tom's posts are the grounded reality of waccobb. This guy has laid it down for the rosa aristocracy. Shit is the basis for fertility. Suppress it and you just show how out of touch you be.

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    ...I do have a problem with his (and other's) redundancy, though. I suppressed a recent post from him from the digest for that reason.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    I watched all those videos. It seemed like they pretty much agree on everything. Can someone point to differences in their policies or positions? I got that Hopkins favored forming a few new citizens boards and Evans did not but that seems pretty minor. They both come off as intelligent and capable.
    For those very reasons, the best way to judge is by who is backing each candidate. these groups have done interviews and asked more detailed questions that don't get answered on the campaign trail.

    Noreen Evans is endorsed by the Sierra Club, Sonoma County Conservation Action, the Sonoma Green Party and Working People and their unions. Lynda Hopkins is endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce, Sonoma Business Alliance, North Bay Real Estate PAC, California Apartment Association (all currently running a repeal of rent control) and Bodean Asphalt, Syar Gravel Mining, Big Wineries and Event Centers and Mike Martini, Doug Bosco and Valerie Brown, Susan Upchurch and Efren Carrillo.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    ...Connie is one of the founders of "Friends of the Graton Rancheria" formed to help push that awful Graton Casino (the one located in, um, Rohnert Park) -- which Noreen Evans did precious little to prevent.

    You can tell much about people, especially politicians, by the company they keep and who throws fundraising parties for them.
    You are wrong. Noreen Evans was one of a very few in the legislature who OPPOSED the Graton Casino. I know this because I SUPPORTED it and lobbied her as did many of her labor supporters. She disagreed with us and VOTED NO. Noreen has demonstrated (unlike Lynda Hopkins) that she can say "NO" to those who have supported her.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    So the Hopkins camp claims Evans supporters are spreading dishonest rumors. Maybe the Hopkins campaign manager should put a lid on the Hopkins supporters rumor mill before he accuses others.

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    Connie is indeed Hugh's widow, and *rumor* has it that....
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Barry receives a request from Noreen's camp "to moderate the tone of his (Tom Lynch) posts on this thread".

    Barry obliges and further states: "I do have a problem with his (and other's) redundancy, though. I suppressed a recent post from him from the digest for that reason."

    Tom apologizes and agrees to oblige, but not before one of Noreen's paid operatives posts:"You can also look at where the money and support comes from - in other words who will be putting pressure on the candidate to vote their way."

    After which the people plowing the most outside money to Noreen post:"Noreen Evans is endorsed by the Sierra Club, Sonoma County Conservation Action, the Sonoma Green Party and Working People and their unions. Lynda Hopkins is endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce, Sonoma Business Alliance, North Bay Real Estate PAC, California Apartment Association (all currently running a repeal of rent control) and Bodean Asphalt, Syar Gravel Mining, Big Wineries and Event Centers and Mike Martini, Doug Bosco and Valerie Brown, Susan Upchurch and Efren Carrillo. "

    How is all this not redundant? How does this advance the dialogue? How many times does this bare repeating? It just baits Lynda Hopkins' supporters to dispute certain statements, which has also been done ad nauseam.

    Barry has stepped up to moderate. Let's respect his role here please and not beat each other over the head with that which has been stated and restated .

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    ...How is all this not redundant? How does this advance the dialogue? How many times does this bare repeating?... .

    sorry but I posted in a response to a question about how to decide in a race where two candidates don't seem that far apart on the issues. A major way to differentiate in politics is looking at supporters. That's why when it comes to reproductive rights- i want to know who Planned Parenthood supports. When it comes to environmental issues I want to know who the Sierra club supports. And conversely when it comes to development and workplace issues I want to know who the Chamber of Commerce and the Press Democrat supports(so i can vote the OPPOSITE)

    I do find it interesting that you keep trying to hide Lynda's supporters (as does she by the way) and are now insisting that just by letting voters KNOW who supports which candidates we are doing something wrong. Noreen has no problem identifying her endorsers and is rightfully proud of them. I don't see Lynda trumpeting the fact that the Sonoma Business Alliance, Sonoma Chamber of Commerce and Syar and Bodean Gravel as well as Efren Carrillo and Mike Martini (Taft Street Winery) are big supporters.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    I appreciate Lisa's post.
    It's not an accusation or tit for tat, or trying to smear one candidate or the other.

    She just lists the major donors for each candidate, which is public information in the filings that each of the candidates has reported to the County.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    I was very appreciative of the poster who spelled out who is backing who. Some of us are just starting to tune into national and local politics, so that was new and good information to me. Yes lets be civil but lets also realize politics can be rough. Speak truth to someone elses bad opinion but ask that they be censored ilooses me.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    What did she vote no on? Was she in the assembly or senate? Noreen and her supporters don't share enough of her record. Yeah its all public record, so we could look it up, but if you want to make a case share the details! (I appreciate this one : )

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    You are wrong. Noreen Evans was one of a very few in the legislature who OPPOSED the Graton Casino. ...
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Ross...you are a man after my own heart :)...

    BS is like money, it only works if you spread it around...

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    Tom's posts are the grounded reality of waccobb. This guy has laid it down for the rosa aristocracy. Shit is the basis for fertility. Suppress it and you just show how out of touch you be.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    I watched all those videos. It seemed like they pretty much agree on everything. Can someone point to differences in their pollicies or positions? I got that Hopkins favored forming a few new citizens boards and Evans did not but that seems pretty minor. They both come off as intelligent and capable.
    Hopkins wants to form two new Citizens oversight commissions so that the River Corridor and the Coast Communities can have more participation and local oversight and receive more of the funding they generate go back into their communities. Evans says there are too many committees and is opposed to this step toward self determination. You find this a MINOR distinction? This is a MAJOR distinction and shows up the differences in the thinking of the two candidates. Lynda has original innovative thinking. Noreen is the tired establishment candidate who is content with the status quo.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    What is TPP and what is BOS? Humor those of us who are not up to speed on all the acronyms.

    TIA.


    TPP refers to the Trans-Pacific Partnership as far as I know, it's a trade agreement. Not sure how the BOS would impact it though.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...c-partnership/

    BOS is just an acronym for the Board of Supervisors.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    oh dear, if only this were true- We need one more task force, or one more committee like we need one more ineffective Supervisor or like we need a tsunami Today... the cost of setting up such committees, which always turn out to be people appointed by the BOS, each with their OWN special interests, and what do you wind up with? - diluted results...committees are put in place to make people feel like they are doing something while wasting time and not having to deal with the problem, as in right now! committees enable the BOS to push off their responsibility to someone else and make the public feel like they are being listened to.
    Noreen is soooo right on this.
    just look at the latest committee we got- the Task Force, which cost us many thousands of dollars to come up with pretty lukewarm recommendations, and an auditor that has no power.
    Also, we not only wasted our time on them, but the Civil Rights Commission that came here back over a decade ago, made numerous recommendations, including the major one- ALL departments within the Sheriff Department should have oversight. NOT only did we not get oversight, not even ONE, but of the 21 recommendations they made to the BOS, virtually every one was ignored. there were different Supervisors back then-nothing has changed.
    i know i got a little discursive- but i will continue to bring the debate back to LE because it IS part of the debate!

    So, One more committee to fix one more problem and my vote is a definite NO---
    committees, task forces are not innovative- and i might agree that sometimes they work. But often, they are a waste of time, and money....oh yes, They will cost money. Funny how they always have money to study problems but not to fix the problem.
    DEMAND that the BOS do their jobs! that IS what they are paid a 200K a year for you know.
    And, as one of the public pointed out at the debate, who are they asking participation from? So many people already participate in their communities on so many levels, how much ya gonna bleed people??

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    Hopkins wants to form two new Citizens oversight commissions so that the River Corridor and the Coast Communities can have more participation and local oversight and receive more of the funding they generate go back into their communities. Evans says there are too many committees and is opposed to this step toward self determination...
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    What is TPP and what is BOS? Humor those of us who are not up to speed on all the acronyms.

    TIA.

    TPP refers to the Trans-Pacific Partnership as far as I know, it's a trade agreement. Not sure how the BOS would impact it though.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...c-partnership/

    BOS is just an acronym for the Board of Supervisors.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    TPP- Trans-Pacific-Partnership (if you google -lots of information) it is only the latest bad idea on Trade...it makes NAFTA look good--ouch
    BOS- Board of Supervisors
    sorry- since this is Wacco, i assume certain acronyms most folks know, but i won't take that for granted..thanks
    i will write stuff out more often.

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    What is TPP and what is BOS? Humor those of us who are not up to speed on all the acronyms.

    TIA.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    they can't-

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    TPP refers to the Trans-Pacific Partnership as far as I know, it's a trade agreement. Not sure how the BOS would impact it though....
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Will the commissioners be elected?

    If not I don't particularly want an unelected member of said comission to have more political weight than my one vote.

    If it is an elected office it's a whole other layer of government that needs to be paid for and policed by the voters.

    There is nothing that stops voters and even non voters from forming political actions groups around their issues.

    Will every district in the county have equal commissions? It sounds like a good idea at fist blush but the devil may be in the details.

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    Hopkins wants to form two new Citizens oversight commissions .....
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    Will the commissioners be elected? ....
    Yes the Commissions will have an elected body representative of its district. At this time there is talk of only the River Corridor and the Coastal communities to have districts. This is a response to their long standing complaint of being underserved by the County. The thought is to fill the void left when the State pulled Redevelopment money away from local communities. Hence the Russian River Redevelopment and Oversight Committee (RRROC) ceased to function. That body gave the River Corridor at least some autonomy, funding,and oversight for district projects. If Lynda's idea of redirecting TOT tax income back to the district from which it is derived and there was an elected body that can weigh in on what is needed we can become more self sufficient and less dependent on the dictates of the BOS.

    Noreen belittled the idea and likened it to other districts like fire or parks and recreation and said we don't need this. In other words: Trust me, I'll take care of you. Well, I would rather trust local people who live here.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    There are something like 41 districts already in the fifth district. Fire districts, school districts, water districts etc. These are all places people can gather and be heard. To create still more elected districts does not make sense. Noreen will make sure these people are heard by visiting their communities and hearing from them directly.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    This could be quite the political payback for all those wineries, gravel mining and real estate interests if this commision is appointed by the supervisor. This might be where all those donations pay off, if Lynda gets to appoint an employee or associate who lives in the district under the guise of being a "citizen' who lives in the district.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Citizen committees are a way to calm down the public. These citizen advisory committees never have any teeth and the supervisors can make decisions not based on the conclusion without any reasons why. The hope is that whatever issue is controversial by the time the recommendations come in from the citizen group, that the public will have forgotten and/or not be so involved. We do not need more layers in government to slow down what is best as a very incremental process.

    Noreen knows this as she has been in a leadership position. Lynda thinks it is a good idea because all she has is "book learning", no actual experience.

    In an earlier post I mentioned the GSA panels being formed and how crucial it is to make sure the water decisions are based on science and NOT politics and those panels should have some clout. The supervisors would have to explain why they would not accept the recommendations. Lisa is correct that the supervisors (or staff suggestions) would appoint committee members and if the past is any indication of these appointments, they are never diversified and usually stacked in favor of the outcome they want.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    This could be quite the political payback for all those wineries, gravel mining and real estate interests if this commision is appointed by the supervisor. This might be where all those donations pay off, if Lynda gets to appoint an employee or associate who lives in the district under the guise of being a "citizen' who lives in the district.
    Uh, it's gonna be "elected" Lisa. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions that fit your (twisted) point of view.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    There are something like 41 districts already in the fifth district. Fire districts, school districts, water districts etc. These are all places people can gather and be heard. To create still more elected districts does not make sense. Noreen will make sure these people are heard by visiting their communities and hearing from them directly.
    I didn't know parrots could type.
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    AND- you don't know politics

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    Uh, it's gonna be "elected" Lisa. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions that fit your (twisted) point of view.
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    Uh, it's not "going to be" anything. It is one person's idea - that's all.

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    Uh, it's gonna be "elected" Lisa. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions that fit your (twisted) point of view.
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    Or the elected supervisor could just do her job and represent us using her own good judgement. Seriously, do the people who keep reminding us of how out-of-control spending is on county employees, really want to create more bureaucrats in the form of citizen oversight committees?

    Shouldn't our thoughtful votes result in the election of competent and confident representation? I mean if the supervisor wants to invent/employ a whole new crop of citizens to make decisions for her, maybe we should just elect one of those citizens to be supervisor instead.

    She has NO experience, so it's understandable that Hopkins would want to assemble a team of advisors to inform her of how things work and to blame when she makes mistakes and her inevitable pro-development decisions. It will be convenient to blame that citizens committee when she does the bidding of her deep-pocket supporters. Shrewd, obvious, and eminently shady. (Sorry jbox, but you're missing out on the old school politics that define the Hopkins campaign.)
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    Uh, it's gonna be "elected" Lisa. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions that fit your (twisted) point of view.
    Again, it never ceases to amaze me how Hopkins supporters are rude and call names (no need to call me 'twisted') but tar everyone else as 'negative'. Really first rate republican tactics- not surprising given that Hopkins' Campaign Consultant Rob Muelrath is a republican.

    As far as the commission- no one knows WHAT it will be since it is hypothetical and we are all surmising here.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    this is a teeny bit off subject- but i think applicable.
    i will share a note my Son text me last night after the debate- he wrote
    "imagine a world with leaders not politicians".
    i thought it sums all this stuff up even here quite nicely too lol
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