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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins


    Here's video of the two recent debates between
    Lynda Hopkins and Noreen Evans:

    October 10 at the Sebastopol Community Center, sponsored by the League of Women Voters:




    October 3 at Sebastopol Community Church, Sponsored by the Rotary Club of Sebastopol




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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Barry,

    I like your questions as these could be important in which box to check:

    1) Who moved to the district when and why.
    2) Financial backers and endorsers (again new information is welcome here)
    3) Noreen's past actions regarding SEIU pensions (I'm looking at you, Tom! )
    (Am I forgetting anything?)

    1) From what I have heard, Noreen moved to Sebastopol and rented a house solely to run for the 5th district. Though she could have run in the district she was living in (and from what I heard where she owns a house) it would have meant running against one of her political allies. Then I got told that Lynda moved into the district as well but that she was already running her farm here. Do you know the details on this?

    I expect if she loses, Noreen will likely jump out of West County like a frog out of hot water because, at this point, she is career politician looking for another political job. While I am all for recycling, I'd like to see a fresh face and certainly Lynda seems to have one. West County has always been able to muster good candidates going back many years so I don't see the need to import them but what I am hearing is that they are both imported.

    2) More than who is backing either candidate, I'd like to know if we are continuing what I see as the false dialogue that it is the environmentalists against the farmers, grape growers, and housing proponents. From what little I know, Lynda seems to be more into building bridges instead of carrying on the old battles. Is this true or just my perception? While 'environmentalists' like to point at 'farmers' as the problem (and yes, grape growers are farmers) I can't get it out of my mind that the farmer is the man who feeds us all (and has preserved rural landscapes for generations.) We need to WORK TOGETHER to preserve agriculture AND the environment. Go Organic, Eat Local!

    3) Don't know anything about the SEIU. What is this about?

    Best Regards,

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    1. Both candidates moved to the district in the past year. Both say they did so because they like it here.

    2. Your candidate is backed by wealthy developers and big wine. Noreen is backed by working people.

    3. Noreen has a demonstrated history of working for people who were not born on 3rd and think they hits triples (looking at you, Hollie Hobbie farmer).

    --Noreen has history of defending the environment. Your candidate has a history of accepting large gifts and pretending she has a real work history on her resume.

    --Your crystal ball neglects to take into account campaign funding. I know you'd like voters to ignore her gravel miner, big developer, big winery wealthy patrons because of her "fresh face," but that would be stupid.
    Trying to frame a complete lack of experience as a virtue is ridiculous and reeks of ageism.

    --Her backers are anything but "fresh" to this party They paid to place Effren in this seat last election.

    --Vineyard owners aren't feeding the masses, they grow wine. I like wine as much as anyone, but it's not food.

    --The SEIU is a labor union. Labor unions bargain collectively to advance and preserve workers' rights. (The people who got kids out of factories!) Those who own the means of production are not fans (rich people, like your candidate, for example.)
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    You have already decided, so why do you bother pretending to want new information though? If you really wanted to have a specific question answered by either candidate it would be pretty easy. It seems like they are both readily available. Bit disingenuous to try to paint Evans as unapproachable. You're just campaigning from your couch, which is your prerogative.

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    No. Since my partner works the most common evenings for political gatherings and we have young children its difficult to meet in person. Noreens website sucks. I have looked at it and even ended up on her email list but i still can't access her on the issues section. Don't do facebook. I watch candidate forum videos, read newspaper articles, local list discussion and mailers and ask questions in person and here of her supporters. My experience is that she answers with broad policy. If she shares detail it's about past effort i already know about. So yes, i understand this as a pass when asked a question about specifics of what she would do about something the bos will be voting on. Its frustrating but she is an experienced pol. Its usually what they do, for very good reasons.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Mouse,

    Thanks for the info though not the for the insults.

    For the record: I was born in East LA in 1946 and my family moved to Petaluma in 1949 and lived in an army surplus tent for two years while my parents built a house. The family car was an army surplus jeep. My dad was blacklisted for union organizing in LA and later organized the painter's union in Marin. We were always poor because he would get fired regularly for labor organizing. I moved to Sebastopol in 1967 and was making almost nothing. I built my own house very small house (320 sq ft) out of the little I made each week. So please don't give me the 'born with a silver spoon' junk. I did build a successful business but that took 20 years of 7 day a week work.

    Having worked all of my life and built 2 businesses, I finally came to the conclusion that not all capitalists are 'bad' and not all unions are 'good.' (Though it took my socialist dad a long time to accept that I had gone over to the dark side by having a business. He was heart broken when the Soviet Union went bust.)

    Lynda is not 'my candidate.' I have not donated to her campaign nor endorsed her.

    I know who SEIU is but don't understand what if any role they have in this election. Does it have to do with county pensions? I have been appalled at some of the pension practices in the county and state. When Rod Dole retired at a young age, he was making a lot more on his pension than he ever made in his job. This never made any sense to me.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    I didn't insult you or even refer to you in my post, though I did presume you were in her fresh-faced corner (which it sounds like you are). I was referring to her as the person on 3rd who thinks she hit a triple, not you--sorry for the misunderstanding there.

    She's the candidate of the silver spoon, while clearly you've had to work for your rewards in life.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Now that I reread your post, I guess the 'you, Hollie Hobbie Farmer' that you were referring to was Lynda, not me as in 'who were not born on 3rd and think they hits triples (looking at you, Hollie Hobbie farmer).' So you are right in saying you did not insult me, just Lynda and only confused me (easy to do at 70.)
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    It's just as well that you made me review what I wrote. (I get fired up, and could probably stand to reel it in sometimes. )

    Have an excellent evening, sir.
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    Now that I reread your post, I guess the 'you, Hollie Hobbie Farmer' that you were referring to was Lynda, not me ...
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    Here's video of the two recent debates between Lynda Hopkins and Noreen Evans:
    October 10 at the Sebastopol Community Center, sponsored by the League of Women Voters:

    I liked the forum put on by the league of women. They had an handout suggesting we look at who the behind the scenes financiers of the candidates were. Not just who they list. I was surprised that Hopkins could not verify if Republican (think Trump's party) Muelrath was or was not a registered lobbyist.

    How can the Alliance's, and the wine industry's and the gravel mining industry's candidate not know about Muelrath's lobbyist connections? She sure looks smart with her big strategy answers but why did she play ignorant of this important question?

    Isn't it interesting how Carrillo (his behavior sure is similar to Trump's- attack the women who criticize him) has been kept in a very low profile during this campaign. And Hopkins does not give credit to her main backers- Bosco and Koenigshofer. Makes me wonder what they stand to gain by getting an inexperienced person to this important position. Look at the lengths and expense they are going to in order to put her in power.
    OK- Hopkins backers. Grind this up in the wacco grist mill.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    No, i have not decided, and i will keep trying to collect info till i mark the box. I can understand why you think i favor lynda since i have been more positive about her and questioned noreen and her supporters. I have found lynda to be more approachable. Noreen's record is admirable and lots of people i respect really like her. While i voted for someone else in the primary i think both have the potential to be excellent supervisors. One thing I've noticed is they both give the same reason for initially going into politics; they noticed the system is broken, disconnected from the people and they wanted to bring more people in.

    This really speaks to me since i believe it is possible to arrange our collective affairs without central authoritarianism with a legal monopoly on violence, i am an anarchist, so i vote early and every time. I vote by issue and person and do lots of research because i believe with enough attention we can evolve our society to the point where all are loved and supported, and I'm not just writing about people.

    You seem to know noreen. Does she still have the juice to try and shake things up or is she going with her record as a promise to progressive supporters?

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    You have already decided, so why do you bother pretending to want new information though? If you really wanted to have a specific question answered by either candidate it would be pretty easy. It seems like they are both readily available. Bit disingenuous to try to paint Evans as unapproachable. You're just campaigning from your couch, which is your prerogative.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    My experience is that she answers with broad policy. If she shares detail it's about past effort i already know about. So yes, i understand this as a pass when asked a question about specifics of what she would do about something the bos will be voting on. Its frustrating but she is an experienced pol. Its usually what they do, for very good reasons.
    I think the problem here is that you have an unreasonable expectation of the kind of answer a candidate can honestly give. In fact I would say that if a candidate was willing to give you the kind of answer you seem to want, you should vote against that candidate.

    Public policy is exteremly complex. There are no simple solutions, and anyone who gives you a simple solution is either lying or uninformed. All solutions benefit some and harm others. Issues do not stand alone, and often must be balanced against each other and ranked as budgetary priorities. Ultimately how any office holder votes on a given subject depends entirely on the specifics of the proposal and the overall situation as it stands right then. What you are getting from Noreen is a truthful response based on many years of experience at the job of legislating. She can tell you her general attitude to the topic, and she can tell you what she has done in the past on similar occasions, or what you call answering with broad policy and details of past efforts. What she cannot honestly tell you is how she would vote on any specific issue until the time came for casting that vote.

    What you are getting from Lynda Hopkins is the analysis of one who has never held public office, and knows nothing of the complexity of real world decision making at the county level. Such a person can afford to have simplistic solutions that sound so compelling, she has never had to actually get one of her ideas through the painful and exhausting process of becoming law. Perhaps a spell on a school board or planning commission or some place she can get some real world experience would humble her a little. Supervisor? I don't think so.

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    We can also ask candidates about how they would have voted in past bos decisions. Both women have made specific proposals, its useful to discuss and evaluate them, like Lynda's regional boards spending tot tax, or Noreen's pot for potholes position. Is our decision as a voter less complicated than any a county supervisor makes? Perhaps if you are a consistent demo progressive supporter. In that case vote evans and trash the competition, boring...

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Ken Sund brings up a very important consideration. When I first met Lynda Hopkins, she was a reporter for the Sonoma West Times/Hbg Gazette group, and since becoming a candidate she has told me face to face, and a number of enviro groups in meetings that I have attended, that she reported on County issues for several years.

    Most Sonoma County-based reporters know VERY well how the political funding lines run in Sonoma County, because politically-interested people tend to discuss those things—sometimes to the exclusion of policy issues (because they understand the policy positioning behind the money). Most SC-based reporters are aware of the now-established pattern of moneyed interests, led by Bosco and Koenigshofer, finding fresh faces with no previous political service in Sonoma County and pouring large donations into those campaigns, and also shepherding those campaigns, to defeat enviro-backed candidates with a great deal of experience and knowledge of the issues. AND are aware that the end game of those campaigns has always been a smear campaign.

    Lynda Hopkins is a very smart person: she is educated and has worked with some grassroots organizations that I know for sure also discuss these political-financing connections. She HAS to know what is going on.

    Muelrath certainly knows, because he has represented so many Alliance-funded campaigns, including the earlier ones of this type.

    Shrill denials (e.g. the B-S video) strike me as an example of Shakespeare's line (from Hamlet): "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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    ... Hopkins does not give credit to her main backers- Bosco and Koenigsofer...
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Ross, I really think you should make the effort to meet Noreen. Everyone that meets her learns that yes, she definitely has the juice and amazing intellect and experience. There are still two meet and greet parties coming up, you could be welcome at either one and I'm sure you would come away with your decision made. Happens with just about everyone who meets her!

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    ...You seem to know noreen. Does she still have the juice to try and shake things up or is she going with her record as a promise to progressive supporters?
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Throughout this seemingly endless conversation what is most striking to me is how many don't get that maybe, just maybe, it's not about expecting great favors from Lynda Hopkins. It's about stopping what is seen as a carpet bagging Noreen promoting an east county agenda on a west county constituency. Hopkins is both smart and a bit more moderate and deemed more than worthy as a candidate.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    ...Lynda Hopkins is a very smart person: she is educated and has worked with some grassroots organizations that I know for sure also discuss these political-financing connections. She HAS to know what is going on. ...
    Lynda has spoken about how she was to reframe the stale debate between environment and business (1min 19 seconds):When faced with a traditional politician that touts her support of the environmental and labor interests or a politician that seeks to "bridge the political divides", it's clear that business and agricultural interests are going to support that one that is offering to throw them a lifeline and reframe the debate.

    I think it is improper logic to say that since she accepts their financial support that she is in their pocket. This is particularly true in Lynda's case being that she is an organic farmer. The business interests are going to support one candidate or the other. I'm sure they would prefer a traditional business supporter type candidate to Lynda, but that is not available.

    I think Lynda's conviction in support of the environment is firm. I also appreciate that she doesn't demonize business (or Noreen). There's a place for responsible development and responsible business.

    This is a topic for another thread some day, but I see people refusing to support our wine and tourists industries. While they both are not without problems, I don't think it is the proper position to be categorically against them. They are our golden geese and need to be controlled and not demonized.

    Regarding the SEIUn (to answer Dan's question) , my biggest concern (besides Lisa's [the SEIU's representative] obnoxious and harsh remarks here) is that the county is going to need to negotiate with the union about many things, including whether county employees should make larger contributions to their generous pension plan. The SEIU has made a $80,000+ independent expenditure on Noreen's behalf. How tough a negotiator do you think Noreen is going to be? I think it would be great if we all had generous pensions (I don't have a pension. Do you?) But I also think that our roads should be kept in good repair and safety net for the homeless and other disadvantaged populations could be strengthened. Lynda sees pensions as a problem and is calling them to be reformed. Noreen is not.
    The SEIU is a self-interested organization. Take a look at their questionnaire for the BOS candidates (attached). Their oriented is clearly "what's best for the union" and not "what's best for the county". I want our supervisor to negotiate for what's best for the county.

    The SEIU's support for Noreen is not damning, but it does raise concerns, just like business interests support for Lynda.

    I think Noreen is a fine candidate and experienced politician. I would totally support her if she wins and I think she would do a fine job representing us on the BOS.

    I think Lynda has the possibility of being a gifted leader that can transform our oppositional politics. I'm willing to give her a shot.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    Ross, I really think you should make the effort to meet Noreen. Everyone that meets her learns that yes, she definitely has the juice and amazing intellect and experience. There are still two meet and greet parties coming up, ...
    Noreen Evans Meet and Greet in Sebastopol
    Monday, October 17 at 05:30 PM

    Hosts Bleys Rose, Miriam Silver, Susan Swartz and Bob Klose invite you to meet and talk with Noreen Evans. Refreshments will be served
    RSVP

    Noreeen Evans Graton Meet and Greet
    Wednesday, October 19 at 06:00 PM

    Hosts Christy Lubin, Jordan Burns, and Maureen Purtill invite you to join for casual conversation with Noreen Evans. Refreshments will be served - come with your questions!
    RSVP

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    And Lynda Hopkins has one more meet and greet setup:
    Lynda Hopkins Occidental Grassroots Get-Together
    Thursday, October 20th, 6-8 at the Occidental Union Hotel
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    What is it about this woman that makes some people want to give her things she hasn't earned?

    Why do you think she will change the dialogue? She's only demonstrated a propensity for the opposite so far. She made an incendiary video whining about being called out on her 'truthiness,' and attacked her opponent in the process. Old school politics from this year's Syar Gravel mining candidate. Shocking.

    Why would any intelligent person vote for wealthy developers' handpicked candidate because she 'seems like she seems like she could possibly be effective at 'reframing the conversation between environmentalists and big business.' Do you even hear yourself?

    Once the environment is messed up, it's virtually impossible to fix. Once our representative allows unfettered development, there's really no going back. I am not willing to "give her a shot' until she demonstrates competence at a lower level. The stakes are way too high.

    (I am not in a union, and I personally don''t have a pension either btw, but that doesn't mean I don't think they're a great idea. Of course rich people like your candidate will never depend on pensions to live out their lives. They own their own, what do you cal it? Golden goose! Hooray for rich in-laws, but what about the working folks?)

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    Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    During the past five months, a number of people have yelled at me, often in an uncivil and unfriendly manner, about the unanimous decision by the nine members of this year's Progressive Sebastopol Voter Guide to endorse Lynda Hopkins over Noreen Evans. Their arguments always start with, "don't you know who her donors are?" Indeed, we made this decision with our eyes wide open, selecting the person who is the better of two excellent well-intentioned candidates who would each be very hard working and dedicated Supervisors.

    Like Barry, we remain convinced that when it comes to the critical issues of attainably priced housing, and our County budget and the pensions that have come to consume nearly all our growing tax revenue, Noreen Evans will stay the current pothole-ridden course, while Hopkins would more likely be an agent for politically independent positive change--for our economy, for housing, for the public interest, and even, perhaps, for our environment.

    Out of respect for Noreen and her many supporters, we really do not know this for sure.

    But here is what we wrote in May:

    We share a concern about Hopkins’ donors from the construction and wine industries. Hopkins replied convincingly to this concern with clear, carefully considered independent positions that seem unaffected by who her donors are

    Noreen Evans also carries her own donor baggage. Evans has received as much funding support as Hopkins, except that it has mostly come from unions. This includes the largest spender by far, the SEIU Union representing public employees, which has spent over $50,000 supporting Noreen Evans. Progressive Sebastopol believes in the importance of unions. But
    the likelihood that Noreen Evans will support the continually escalating number of County workers and the spiraling cost of their benefits in return for its support seems to us more likely than the likelihood that Lynda Hopkins will act against our environment to support real estate or wine interests.

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    Re: Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    It just stuns me that people think a young unproven person with no elected political experience can handle this huge job. This brings up a question I have been wanting to ask. Since any decision on the BOS requires at least 3 votes, who do you think will be the other two votes to bring about this "environmental, road building, housing for all" plan put forth by this novice? Noreen has a proven track record for leadership, for getting things done, for standing up against the interests that only want to grab our resources - she is FAR from the status quo of this board.
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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Well said.

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

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    ... Old school politics from this year's Syar Gravel mining candidate. Shocking.
    ...
    This is a great example of ossified old school us vs them politics that I think Lynda can help transform.

    This is from the PD:

    Hopkins said extracting gravel from the banks of the Russian River, however, could actually help restore it to a more natural state and help endangered fish species recover — an idea supported by some biologists and river advocates.

    “Today, the river is stuck in a straitjacket,” said Don McEnhill, executive director of the nonprofit Russian Riverkeeper. “Most mining prior to today was done in a way that was very harmful for the river, but we are open to gravel mining if it can help the river spread out to bring down the natural flood plain.”

    That's been published and commented on here before , yet "gravel mining" and "Syar" still gets tossed around by Noreen's supporters as if it is the definition of evil.
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    Re: Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    Marty, you present the "let's choose experience" argument simply and eloquently. I have heard it before, so let me try to answer this.

    The reason that I, and many thousands of our neighbors, believe is that when it comes to holding political office, experience cuts two ways. It provides a familiarity for process and the job, yes. But it also provides a number of non-so positive attributes, among them:

    1) A history of political endorsements, friendships, favors, horse trading, and payback chits. Hence an unwillingness to take on the unions, not just SEIU but the law enforcement, probation and prison guard unions, over pensions and retirement costs.

    2) A limited sense of what is possible. This has been evidenced by Noreen's unwillingness to embrace the prospect that small auxiliary homes., NOT built by developers, but by thousands of middle income people, is the most efficient and practical way to resolve our urgent housing crisis.

    3) A sense of entitlement over one's office and a lack of appreciation for doing things differently.

    This is not to suggest that Noreen has been corrupted by her past office, her past donors, or her political alliances. But it does point to why so many citizens like the idea of term limits, and like to vote for independent, non-professional, or non-career politicians.

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    Barry and Jonathan,

    Thanks for the info.
    If what I read is true, SEIU is likely the largest contributor in this race BY FAR and away.
    I like unions too but when they buy loyalty from politicians with union dues one has to wonder.
    Would it be true to say that no other contributor has given/spent as much as SEIU?
    (I can't imagine that Lynda has any contributor even close to this figure.)

    Dan
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    Re: Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    Please note that I had a typo in my post that I have corrected. FAR from the status quo - not from the status quo..... She wants to change business as usual that has gone on too long on the BOS.

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    Marty, you present the "let's choose experience" argument simply and eloquently. I have heard it before, so let me try to answer this.

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    Re: 5th District Supervisor Race 2016: Noreen Evans vs Lynda Hopkins

    I know I said I would write only once on this thread, but I feel compelled to respond to this. I realized I can no longer walk the tight rope of political correctness in order not to hurt a friend.

    I made no secret of the reason I jumped into the race for Supervisor in the 5th District. I had a visceral response to the perception that someone was moving into MY District in order to run for Supervisor. That an Outsider knew what was BEST for ME. I stood toe to toe with her, telling her she was WRONG on certain issues. She listened respectfully, never becoming defensive. Over 4 months and 12-13 Forums, I got to know her, and respect her. Her demeanor, her ideas and her ability to laugh at herself, made me realize my perceptions were WRONG. This person is Noreen Evans.

    She is no more a carpetbagger than Lynda. Lynda just happened to move into the District months before Noreen. If we were to have a residency requirement, as your letter implies, Tim Sergent, Tom Lynch and I would have been the only 3 eligible candidates to run this year I am supporting, endorsing and VOTING for Noreen because I feel that the 5th District will be in good hands.

    On a personal level, I like Lynda Hopkins. However, based on personal observations during the initial campaign, I do not believe she has the temperament, maturity or experience, to be representing me on the BOS. I would like very much to see her remain active in County politics. I believe she has much to add to the dialogue.

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    Throughout this seemingly endless conversation what is most striking to me is how many don't get that maybe, just maybe, it's not about expecting great favors from Lynda Hopkins. It's about stopping what is seen as a carpet bagging Noreen promoting an east county agenda on a west county constituency. Hopkins is both smart and a bit more moderate and deemed more than worthy as a candidate.
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    Will she be producing more videos about manure then? She alienated lots of locals with that. I get that you find her dreamy for your own reasons (youth and inexperience as far as I can tell)--I don't. She has done nothing to suggest that politically she is other than Effren 2.0. People endorsed Effren for the same reasons you cite for supporting her, but take a ride in your car. Notice the pot holes are still there, and the quarries on the River continue to expand.

    She will not be able to be all things to all people like she promises. At some point our representative will have to make difficult decisions that cannot serve the desires and interests of neighborhoods and residents and developers at the same time. I do not trust your candidate with those decisions.

    Why did Syar Gravel Mining give her $15,000.00 anyway? Balletto? Dutton? The Ratto Group (the trash hauler with the monopoly on our pick-up). Why? What are they buying? They're not stupid, and their mission is profit.

    I've taken a good, long look at her face and turns out that it really isn't at all fresh.

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    This is a great example of ossified old school us vs them politics that I think Lynda can help transform.....
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    Re: Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    "1) A history of political endorsements, friendships, favors"

    Your candidate's campaign is built on money from developers, big wine, ad gravel miners. Her personal wealth has been a gift from her vineyard owner in-laws. Could she be anymore beholden?

    "2) A limited sense of what is possible."

    So, if I understand correctly, Noreen disagrees with you on your singular solution to a single issue and from that you claim, "2) A limited sense of what is possible." More accurately, it sounds like a practical approach to community preservation and an unwillingness to pretend that reality can be overcome. She seems to have an actual sense of what's possible, and resists telling you what you want to hear, even though it could convince you to vote for her.

    "3) A sense of entitlement ..."

    Of all the phrases that you could have used ironically, I think this is my favorite. You support a woman who, as the saying goes, was born on 3rd, thinks she hit a triple. Never had a real job, lies about it ad nauseum on her resume, and seems to have no clue that she has been chosen specifically to serve her 4th distract financial backers...or does she actually know that? Either way, no thank you.

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    ...experience cuts two ways. It provides a familiarity for process and the job, yes. But it also provides a number of non-so positive attributes, among them:

    1) A history of political endorsements, friendships, favors, horse trading, and payback chits. Hence an unwillingness to take on the unions, not just SEIU but the law enforcement, probation and prison guard unions, over pensions and retirement costs.

    2) A limited sense of what is possible. This has been evidenced by Noreen's unwillingness to embrace the prospect that small auxiliary homes., NOT built by developers, but by thousands of middle income people, is the most efficient and practical way to resolve our urgent housing crisis.

    3) A sense of entitlement over one's office and a lack of appreciation for doing things differently. ....
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    Re: Prog Sebastopol agrees that Hopkins is less likely to be beholden to donors than Evans

    and on the national level, non-career politician, the best example, is what we get- Trump!
    no experience, in deep do-do..what a mess.
    Hopkins has some $$$ and that's it...so many people with $$$ often believe, that's enough.

    i think term limits are, maybe, an answer. Noreen Evans, perhaps, became too comfortable and didn't have to work as hard (she is Completely wrong on 2nd dwellings) as someone trying to break in- and come through as a viable candidate.
    never-the-less, if we could have observed Lynda Hopkins in local politics, on different levels, and seen what she brings to the table, then maybe i would have some confidence in her abilities. i simply don't. she has leap-frogged over political seats and wants people to think she is good enough. she is not.

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    ...when it comes to holding political office, experience cuts two ways. It provides a familiarity for process and the job, yes. But it also provides a number of non-so positive attributes, among them:...
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