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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    Yeah, I agree, that "some kind of constitutionalist" comment made the cop look like an idiot.

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    This is the note that this man put on this video on youtube ....

    "NOTE, I am not anti police however the lies and distrust I've encountered from the Rohnert Park & Petaluma Police over the last 15 months is something I wouldn't ever believe if I heard it from someone"

    Also, a comment from that video ...

    "Are you some kind of constitutionalist. cop forgot HE took an OATH to uphold and defend the Constitution"

    From this man's FaceBook page ...

    "I was hooking my boat to the truck, doing NOTHING else when he decides to once again (few dozen times over the past year) stop infront of my house and just look while acting like he's calling something in."
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    I think if someone were videoing you for several minutes as you went about your work you would find it a bit provocative, and the final interactions revealed that the videoer was indeed being belligerent and provocative. No doubt he had his own inner reasons for being angry, and I don't put him down for it, but let's call a spade a spade. As for the officer, he was no genius (as demonstrated by his"constitutionalist" remark) and I don't know why he confronted the resident, but if the resident were not brimming with pugnacity all he would have needed to do is take is hand out of his pocket to show he was not holding a gun and ask the cop politely why he was stopping to confront him. Interaction over.

    I finally plowed through the second video, in which the videoer is confronted by first one and finally three police officials while taking videos on police department grounds. Here again is a clear example of a very provocative guy with a pugnacious attitude hassling officials and wasting their time for many many minutes. If he didn't have such a big chip on his shoulder all he would have needed to do was speak politely to them and show his ID. His self righteous refusal to even produce identification was provocative and probably illegal. The officials' patience, strained politeness, and self control under continual childish provocation was admirable, and in my opinion the videoer came off like a total jerk.

    If we are seriously interested in curtailing police abuse and violence, let's save our energy for dealing with the all too plentiful cases of real abuse and violence, instead of going around thumbing our noses at cops and yelling nyah nyah nyah!

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    i don't think recording police on duty is belligerent or provocative. ...
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

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    I finally plowed through the second video, in which the videoer is confronted by first one and finally three police officials while taking videos on police department grounds.
    So there is some sort of history between the 'videoer' and the police department?...
    ...My next question is if the 'videoer' is the same person who was doing the "taking videos on police department grounds" and if that occurred before or after the video we are talking about.

    If he, (the 'videoer') was taking videos of police at the police department station and not being a known member of the 'press' and then was observed taking videos of individual police officer/s alone in their police patrol cars there is reason for concern but if that is the case, the officer took an unnecessary risk to himself and the 'videoer' by getting out of the patrol car, even if that risk is more a technical legality one.

    Any (unnecessary) action that has a very likely potential to increase the chance for volatility to the situation buy being overly confrontational by either party adds to whatever 'fuel' to the proverbial 'fire' and is precisely why I think that the police everywhere should have much better training in psychological awareness; just for the reason: (ie) to be more aware of how not make a slightly tense situation get very bad when there is no actual crime being 'reasonably' suspected in the first place.

    That being said: If I were in a similar situation as the, 'videoer', I would have already had both my hands out of my pockets and clearly visible, and I would have been far more friendly towards the police man even if he was being overly 'assertive'.

    It could be that the 'videoer' had reason to believe that the police officer was likely to violate his constitutional rights of being free from unreasonable search of his person and/or effects and his way of dealing with it was to video the scene...
    ...and, that he was very nervous because what he may have seen (as he stated in the video; but we cannot confirm) before the video we saw started... ...
    ...and that could be why he was talking tensely and acting the way he was when he was saying: "don't touch me!" etc. after the officer got out of his car.

    The keeping the hand in pocket thing?... ...Stupidity at best, confrontational? maybe, (I think so), suicidal? maybe.

    Anyway the judgement call the police man made was to get back in the patrol car and go do something somewhere else.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    what do you think about cops on duty having body cams? i guess that this is why the officer was irritated by being recorded. there are no law enforcement agencies in sonoma county which equip officers with body cams, including the largest agency, the sheriff dept, which has received the funding and refuses to don them, despite evidence that they reduce violence and increase communication and respect. if this officer had one, we could see both sides of the interaction, wouldn't that be fun! the deputies at the jail intake are recorded,
    and i hope they will now be kinder with drunks...

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    I think if someone were videoing you for several minutes as you went about your work you would find it a bit provocative, ...!
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    When and where was it reported that SoCo Sheriff's have refused to wear body cams?

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    what do you think about cops on duty having body cams? i guess that this is why the officer was irritated by being recorded. there are no law enforcement agencies in sonoma county which equip officers with body cams, including the largest agency, the sheriff dept, which has received the funding and refuses to don them, despite evidence that they reduce violence and increase communication and respect. if this officer had one, we could see both sides of the interaction, wouldn't that be fun! the deputies at the jail intake are recorded,
    and i hope they will now be kinder with drunks...
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    When and where was it reported that SoCo Sheriff's have refused to wear body cams?
    in the pd, after andy was killed the bos allocated 1mil to equip county deputies. frietas is still studying feasibility and policy issues.
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    The police are paid to preserve the peace and enforce the law. They are granted privileges the rest of us do not have. To be sure they often see the worst side of people, but that is all the more reason why they should be able to hold their temper and exercise good judgment. Police unable to do this should be in another line of work.

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    I think if someone were videoing you for several minutes as you went about your work you would find it a bit provocative, ...
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    Sounds to me like he needs to make a serious explanation to the citizens of this area as to why after so much time he has not adopted this policy - or seek a new job. The press has exposed case after case of police excesses elsewhere that the presence of cameras was required to expose their lies. The issue is serious, especially after the disgraceful handling of the Lopez/Gelhaus incident by Ravitch and her friends. It is in the interest of genuine peace officers that they have these cameras if for no other reason than to back them up when they tell the truth at a time when for good reasons many of us no longer trust their unsupported words.

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    in the pd, after andy was killed the bos allocated 1mil to equip county deputies. frietas is still studying feasibility and policy issues.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    i tried to find the pd report (it was very short, just a paragraph in the local news roundup), i guess they don't save these. i did find an earlier close to home from freitas claiming that the department had allocated money for personal video recorders before andy was killed, has tested them and was ready to provide them to staff. my guess is that the staff just hasn't been ready to start using them. several other actions he said the dept was taking also seem to be delayed.

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    Sounds to me like he needs to make a serious explanation to the citizens of this area as to why after so much time he has not adopted this policy - or seek a new job. ...
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    More trouble in Rohnert Park:

    Rohnert Park Cops Raid Home of Man who Criticized Them on FB Over Co-Worker’s Viral Video Incident

    Rohnert Park police have managed to find themselves in the spotlight again after yet another resident claims police used excessive force against him.

    This time, a man named Greg Del Secco said that police showed up to his home unannounced two weeks ago, so he raised his arms to show that he was not a threat.

    But they took that as a sign that he was a threat, grabbing his hands, pulling them behind his back and handcuffing him, forcing him to sit on a curb while they raided his home without a warrant.

    Their claim: A 911 caller reported hearing a woman screaming for help from inside his home.
    But no screaming woman was even found inside his home.

    Del Secco believes the raid was in retaliation for posting critical comments on the department’s Facebook page after the earlier incident involving his co-worker, Don McComas.

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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    If the story holds up seems to me it's time for some serious house cleaning of the corruption in Rohnert Park. Maybe it's time for some citizen initiatives that would punish police budgets every time a ruling is made against police action against a citizen.

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    More trouble in Rohnert Park:

    Rohnert Park Cops Raid Home of Man who Criticized Them on FB Over Co-Worker’s Viral Video Incident

    Rohnert Park police have managed to find themselves in the spotlight again after yet another resident claims police used excessive force against him.

    This time, a man named Greg Del Secco said that police showed up to his home unannounced two weeks ago, so he raised his arms to show that he was not a threat.

    But they took that as a sign that he was a threat, grabbing his hands, pulling them behind his back and handcuffing him, forcing him to sit on a curb while they raided his home without a warrant.

    Their claim: A 911 caller reported hearing a woman screaming for help from inside his home.
    But no screaming woman was even found inside his home.

    Del Secco believes the raid was in retaliation for posting critical comments on the department’s Facebook page after the earlier incident involving his co-worker, Don McComas.

    Continues here
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    The Rohnert Park police department is fraught with problems, starting with the fact that it is not an actual police department, it is a combined police and fire "public safety" department. It is one of two such departments in California. In RP, the cops are also firefighters and the firefighters are also cops -- and you can literally be pulled over by a public safety officer driving a firetruck. Seriously.

    Because of this dual certification requirement, it is difficult to find qualified officers. And the top-cop there is basically a puppet who plays dress-up for legislative hearings and local events, particularly ones related to that awful casino.

    The first step in cleaning RP's crooked, stinky house is splitting up the police and fire functions into separate departments, like (just about) every other city in California. After that, contract out the police function to the county sheriff department, which would loosen and reduce the ties to the venal RP city government. Not that the Sonoma County Sheriff is perfect by any means -- that house needs some cleaning too, starting with getting a new Sheriff ASAP!

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    If the story holds up seems to me it's time for some serious house cleaning of the corruption in Rohnert Park. Maybe it's time for some citizen initiatives that would punish police budgets every time a ruling is made against police action against a citizen.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    Has a complaint about this situation been raised with the chief of police and higher officials?

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    If the story holds up seems to me it's time for some serious house cleaning of the corruption in Rohnert Park. Maybe it's time for some citizen initiatives that would punish police budgets every time a ruling is made against police action against a citizen.
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    i tried to find the pd report (it was very short, just a paragraph in the local news roundup), i guess they don't save these. i did find an earlier close to home from freitas claiming that the department had allocated money for personal video recorders before andy was killed, has tested them and was ready to provide them to staff. my guess is that the staff just hasn't been ready to start using them. several other actions he said the dept was taking also seem to be delayed.
    it is seriously too bad that the public just doesn't seem to know what their Law Enforcement Departments do and don't do. Unfortunately, the Press Democrat rarely gives accurate and full accounts of what is happening for our county. Sheriff Freitas has had more than ample time for ALL deputies to be using cams...he was given the $$ by the Board of Supervisors in 2013 to the tune of $1.5 million dollars...and has squandered our time with excuse after excuse to implement them...nothing new with Freitas he is Always moving the goal posts.

    And as for people asking the question as to whether complaints are made to officials?...the answer is a resounding YES!! many times over...unfortunately many complaints are in-house investigated and go nowhere. If people would go down to the Courthouse (hall of justice) any given Tuesday morning, the Andy Lopez Free Speech Picket Line has been there for over a year, to give out information about police brutality and will collect stories from anyone willing to share their experiences at the hands of Law Enforcement.

    We have a serious credibility problem in this County and this is the reason for Oversight, this is the reason the Task Force recommended oversight for clear abuses of law enforcement. Steve Freitas does not like the name "Oversight" and has become before the Board to object to the name...we all know why...he simply does not want anyone having any oversight of abuse of power and he works really hard at maintaining the status quo.
    many people are working to change this up. Join in the struggle.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    Just curious: Why don't any positive stories come out about the police and fire departments? Why is the board (in general) so anti-law enforcement? During the Sonoma County Fair, I posted a photo (tongue in cheek humor) of an art installation just inside the front gate of the fairgrounds, with three police officers in the foreground. No guns were drawn on me in the taking of those photos.

    Yesterday morning, I attended a four hour Responsible Beverage Service training seminar. Any guesses who was hosting that seminar? That would be a commander in the Rohnert Park Dept. of Public Safety. No guns were drawn, depicted, or discussed in the four hours we were there. The officer was friendly, explained everything in a non-judgmental manner, helped us learn something about fake ID's and how not to over serve our clients.

    On my way there, I stopped at my favorite coffee place for a cup. I ran into Officer 'Q' from the California Highway Patrol. He was pleasant, although getting back onto the road was his first priority. No guns were drawn there either. These are just a few anecdotal instances where police interaction was friendly, and not a negative thing. Am I special or something? Maybe to a very very select handful of people in this world. To most of the world, I'm just another brown person driving a dark, and due to the drought, dirty car, working every day (night) to support my wife and pets.

    There are people who make bad choices on both sides of the law. I find it sad that in this society, we concern ourselves more by the element who test the very limits of what they can get away with, and don't care about those simply trying to do a thankless job. I think we're up to 20-something officers (so far in 2015) shot and killed in the line of duty. I have yet to see a thread dedicated to outrage for the murder of a single one. Criminals who are actively committing a crime? Yes.
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    Just curious: Why don't any positive stories come out about the police and fire departments? ...
    How wonderful that you've never had a negative experience with law enforcement. It's possible that most people haven't either. But you must be aware of the increased police abuse of innocent people, children, and animals. Should we shrug it off, and not speak up just because we've never had a problem with the police?

    If Andy Lopez had been your child, would you be feeling the same way? Could this boy have been dropped with a single well place bullet in the leg, or did it take 11 bullets to kill him?

    For you to say that this board is "so anti-law enforcement" is a total assumption. I'm not anti law enforcement at all, but I'm "anti abuse" of innocent people or animals. I'm against bullying in any form, whether in the schools or the streets, by law enforcement or the public. I will continue to speak out about this.

    What do you think about the fact that these two Rohnert Park residents worked at the same place? Just a coincidence? I notice the 911 transcript has a lot of "ums", which shows some reflection or thinking. I would be in more of a panic if I was reporting a woman screaming two doors away, because I'd be in fear for my own safety. This call doesn't show any fear or panic.

    In public places, like the Fair, or a seminar, it's highly unlikely to see abuse from law enforcement, but if you were gathered at a peaceful protest, you may notice a different scenario. Have you ever engaged in a protest against anything? Have you seen the abuse of armed power against those who are unarmed? How would you react if your own family was threatened by criminals or law enforcement? Be thankful you've never had to experience that. Some of us have, so our perspective is shaped by that.

    Our perceptions are shaped by our experiences, both positive and negative. Fear is created when those in authority over us, fearlessly abuse their power. If you've never experienced this, either from a parent, teacher, or armed authority, you may be in the minority. A poll might be very revealing....
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

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    Just curious: Why don't any positive stories come out about the police and fire departments? Why is the board (in general) so anti-law enforcement?....
    'any' is a strong word. There are plenty of positive stories - this echoes the common complaint that newspapers never print anything nice. They do, actually, but bad news is more likely to be, uh, news. Nice stories have their place, but a big job of the media is to draw our attention to problems.

    And equating criminals with peace officers is a false pairing as well. It's not Dodgers/Giants here - as a community we're responsible for our institutions and their employees while by definition the criminals are acting outside that. Not only are you wrong about your direct claim that you 'never see a thread dedicated to outrage' towards criminals - it's a staple form of frothing on many websites and blogs, plus from many news organizations - but the implication is wrong too. No-one sanctions the shooting of cops, the issue here is that many do sanction the shooting of civilians.

    Another part of your post has the tinge of "if more people were normal and peaceful like me, we wouldn't have these issues". As Shandi said more nicely than I do, when you only encounter LEOs [Law Enforcement Officers] at fairs and donut shops you have high odds of catching them at their best. There are many people who aren't fairly described as 'testing the limits of what they can get away with', but who still attract the attention of law enforcement and don't deserve mistreatment, sometimes to the point of their death. I've never minimized the difficulty of the task that law officers have signed up to do but that doesn't excuse them from the responsibility to do it correctly - if anything, it heightens their obligation and emphasizes the need for society to keep strong supervision on them.

    As a civilized society, we give the government, including the police, a monopoly on violence. I've had people object to that idea, but with few exceptions that's what our laws have done. So to use the cliche, 'with great power comes great responsibility'. (Patrick Stewart??)
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

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    How wonderful that you've never had a negative experience with law enforcement. ...
    A few fallacies with your statement:

    1. I HAVE been abused by the Ventura Schutzstaffel (SS), thrown to the ground, handcuffed, sat on the curb for an hour, profiled, etc. (on more than one occasion), I've been arrested, paraded through the street of downtown, questioned, then released with no charges filed...

    2. If Andy Lopez were my kid, he'd still be alive. Why is that, you ask? He would NOT have been allowed to carry ANYTHING that looks REMOTELY like the deadliest weapon the world has ever produced. He would have been taught that you NEVER EVER EVER under ANY circumstances point a gun at anyone unless your intent is to shoot them.

    3. Back in the olden days, when I was growing up, we had such a thing as discipline. In fifth grade, I had to design and build my own paddle to be used on me by my teacher when I misbehaved in class. I even had to drill holes in it to improve airflow.

    4. I said, if I may quote myself, ..."that the board (in general) " [meaning not everyone, but a lot of very vocal and active members] are anti-law enforcement. They speak when they have no real education about the subject, but they have knee jerk reactions that all cops are bad, corrupt, evil and out to get us.

    That's all for now. I'm off to get some sleep.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    I come from a law enforcement family with one cop and three soldiers in it ... these were good guys who honestly wanted to keep our world safe and they were putting their own lives on the line to bring that about ...

    That being said there is something just not right about our current situation, and I for one, do not blame the police ... they are responding to orders and directives from above ... I do believe that most of them are between a rock and a hard place ... some of our national police force are now trained in Israel ... why? ... why are they being given tanks, and all kinds of weaponry, including dangerous electronic non-lethal weaponry, to use against us? Why are they being instructed to use a communication system, which several credible scientists have warned against, saying that it might endanger their health and cause aggression?

    My own history with the police has been mixed. I had an excellent cop come out to my place when I reported that I captured a strange man in my home on a video security device ... he went to the trouble of searching his database and identifying possible problems among the people that I knew ... unfortunately, the next cop that came out cautioned me about continuing to call the police over such matters ...

    I met several excellent cops at a function at the Grange ... they were very helpful about my situation but said that their hands were tied and that they would lose their job if they investigated my case ... why?

    When I realized that innocent citizens were being put on "watch lists" because of the Patriot Act and the destruction of our constitutional rights ( like due process ) I got a lot of police support, but once again they said that they could not change that ... it was above them ...

    I truly believe that, though we must be vigilant about local police behavior, the real problem lies above them and that they are really just pawns in a system that is seriously corrupt and serving the oligarchy ...
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Imagery: View Post
    Just curious: Why don't any positive stories come out about the police and fire departments? ...
    A quick answer to one of your comments because I am sick and tired of reading such attempts to attack those who are reporting and discussing abuses.

    We do not see many reports of sales clerks doing their jobs well. I have never seen a newspaper report of a bank teller doing their job well. Have you seen newspaper articles describing how a plumber did his job well? What about a tree surgeon or dentist? Me neither. They are doing their jobs and they are expected to do their jobs. That is not newsworthy to most of us. When it is, we have a real problem.

    If any of the above people had beaten or even physically threatened a person in their capacity in one of those professions do you think the media would be justified in making it public?

    We have cops acting unnecessarily violently as any comparison with statistics of police violence in other civilized countries demonstrates. We have other cops covering for them. We have report after report of police tales rebutted by cameras. And we have a police chief in the county thumbing his nose at the citizens who pay him by not requiring body cameras. That seems like legitimate news to me.

    Oh- there was one major display of support for a good cop. "Serpico" was a major movie about Frank Serpico, a genuine good cop in the NYPD and what happened to him. I suggest Googling the name.

    When a major film and not just a newspaper article is made about a good cop, that tells you something about most cops, at least in the NYPD, doesn't it?
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    About gory news stories, the general rule is: "If it bleeds, it leads." Because that's what people will read.....
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    One way to stop this destructive trend would be to protect whistle blowing cops ... I'm seeing story after story of good cops facing ruin because they are reporting abuse in their precincts ... this story illustrates this reality but there are many more ... just do a search using "whistle blower cop " ...

    By the way, I can relate to this harassment ... not only was I put on police watch list when I reported criminals in my neighborhood but rats were released into my living space ...

    https://www.citypaper.com/news/mobto...120-story.html
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

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    Just curious: Why don't any positive stories come out about the police and fire departments? Why is the board (in general) so anti-law enforcement? ...
    Watch what happens shortly after the :50 second mark in the video, below:

    Released video of man gunned down by police with ARMS UP in San Antonio



    Published on Sep 1, 2015
    Unedited video of fatal deputy-involved shooting
    he unedited version of a video obtained by KSAT 12 News showing the fatal shooting of a man by two Bexar County sheriff deputies will now be made available for online viewing.


    The video will include the actual moment the 41-year-old suspect, Gilbert Flores, was shot outside a home in the 24400 block of Walnut Pass. The video also shows what deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez did moments after the shooting. Vasquez and Sanchez are on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    FWIW, Gilbert Flores gets shot between 57 & 58 seconds into the video.
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    Re: Rohnert Park Policeman pulls gun out - Video

    For those readers who think we critics are piling on cops and ignoring the good cops. here is an article you should spend some time contemplating.

    A few good cops are finally suing the NYPD. which in too many ways can be compared to a uniformed gang that dislikes competition. The organizational filth Frank Serpico encountered has apparently risen like raw sewage to infect New York again. https://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ople-of-color/
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