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    Same sex marriage and gun laws

    Fa-a-a-ascinating!! This should get interesting...

    https://www.naturalnews.com/050237_S..._marriage.html


    SCOTUS same-sex marriage decision may have just legalized the concealed carry of loaded firearms across all 50 states, nullifying gun laws everywhere

    Monday, June 29, 2015
    by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
    Tags: SCOTUS, gun laws, same-sex marriage

    (NaturalNews) The legal argument of gay marriage proponents is that because gay marriage is legal in a majority of states, that "right" cannot be infringed by the remaining states which opposed gay marriage. The U.S. Supreme Court, in granting this new, nationwide right to gay marriage, cited the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, Section 1, which states:

    No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    The actual ruling text of the SCOTUS decision makes it clear that its "equal protection" logic would apply universally to concealed carry gun rights which already exist in a majority of states:

    (1) The fundamental liberties protected by the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause extend to certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy, including intimate choices defining personal identity and beliefs... When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution's central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed. Applying these tenets, the Court has long held the right to marry is protected by the Constitution.

    Similarly, the right to keep and bear arms has also long been protected by the Constitution and affirmed in multiple Supreme Court decisions, as early as last year. "In District of Columbia v Heller (2008) -- the SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd Amendment rights were 'fundamental' in and of themselves as well as 'fundamental to the Nation's scheme of ordered liberty'" writes Hawkins at Breitbart.com.

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    Re: Same sex marriage and gun laws

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    SCOTUS same-sex marriage decision may have just legalized the concealed carry of loaded firearms across all 50 states, nullifying gun laws everywhere
    Once again, more intellectual dishonesty and fear mongering from Natural News -- a softer, kinder Alex Jones.

    The argument in this article goes like this:

    Because the marriage equality ruling was based on the 14th Amendment -- equal protection -- that means other imaginable things deemed by some as "rights" will therefore be made the universal law of the land.

    The Natural News article states:
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    The Supreme Court, in other words, appears to have just nullified gun control laws all across America.

    Really?

    The article implies there was something unique in this 14th Amendment ruling that has not been used in decisions before that will now unleash negative unintended consequences, including the right to carry guns everywhere. While certainly nobody can predict what this activist conservative Supreme Court could do, this argument is nevertheless absurd.

    What is left out in the article is that the 14th Amendment has been the basis of many landmark decisions going back well over 100 years, including Brown vs Board of Education and Loving vs Virginia which in 1967 ruled that states could not make interracial marriage a crime because it was a basic right that should be universally protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

    The article also seems to assume that the conservative block of the court will suddenly reverse their dissent positions that such decision should be left up to the states to decide. There is also an implication that this unintended consequence somehow did not occur to liberal Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, Ginsburg, and Breyer. (Or maybe it was part of their plot to arm America?)

    There is also the ruling in United States vs Miller where it was already decided that gun laws are mostly a matter for the states (well regulated militia) which gun activists proclaim as a victory that allows them leeway within different states.

    And also not mentioned in the article is that with this same logic one might expect recreational use of cannabis and prostitution to soon be legal in all states.

    The article relies on quotes throughout from pro gun activists and Breitbart.com, with no countering sources -- standard fare for Natural News.

    I wouldn't be surprised, given how so many conservatives are enraged at the idea of people being free to love and marry who they choose, if pro gun activists make an attempt with this argument. But they could have been doing it all along and nothing was changed by the recent marriage equality ruling.

    Looking for the dark lining in a silver cloud -- I would expect nothing less from Natural News.

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