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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    I read the article at the link you provided. The first thing that got my attention was the domain name of the website where it is posted, sv40foundation.org, which indicates that this is enough of an issue to warrant its own website, or someone is trying to gin up a class action suit, etc.

    the article was well-written, extensively referenced and documented, and definitely informative. I had never heard of this issue before. While it is not a slam-dunk that SV40 or any simian virus causes human cancer, the CDC is trying to soft-pedal a causal relationship, and that speaks volumes IMO.

    What is clear in the article is that the viral contamination was known, and the contaminated product was used anyway -- once again those that are supposedly protecting us are not, and are motivated by something other than our best interest.

    What unknown virus, substance or other problem is in the vaccines currently in use? It will take years to know, or we may never know.

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    Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
    By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
    https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
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    That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one, and that vaccines "must" be screened to be 100% free of contaminants seems like wishful thinking to me. Who among us would reject choice over mandate, unless there was a big financial reward? Even then, we might vote "mandate" for others, and "choice" for ourselves. As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this, when the bottom line is profits, not our welfare?

    Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food, let alone the chemical products we use to clean, eradicate, enhance, and "purify". We better get used to the "difficult truth" that no one's really looking out for our health and welfare.



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    RE:I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them...
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    That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one,...
    I mostly agree, except for two bits: I don't think a financial reward is an essential motivation. There are several others - for example, feeling that without a mandate an important public policy won't be adopted. Traffic laws come to mind.. but of course everyone personally would rather not be compelled to do anything.

    And it's too pessimistic to believe that no one is looking out for us. It's just that no one can be fully trusted - "no one", (whoever that is) may even have the best intentions but he's just not that good.
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    Traffic laws are one place I do agree are mandated for public safety, since without them, we'd see a lot more accidents, injuries and death. As for mandated vaccines, proponents would have us believe that this is in the interest of public health. Maybe the motivation is fear more than profits from some who are pro-vaccine, but I do think that profit is the bottom line for most drug firms.

    Yeah, it is kind of pessimistic to think that no one's looking our for us; there are some trustworthy companies who's mission is to contribute to our health and safety. Actions speak louder than words, so it's up to us to investigate the actions of those companies, rather than being taken in by slick marketing.


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    I mostly agree, except for two bits:...
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    Perhaps there are better lab processes now but Big Pharma sure isn't using them.

    CDC's 'inconsistent' lab practices threaten its credibility, report says
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html

    Constitutional lawyers, Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA falsifying studies and the corporations self monitoring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf-nBeI1g8#t=11

    Corporate-funded medical ghostwriting
    https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved

    Corporations pay American Council on Science and Health big money to push toxic products – Science for sale
    https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/

    Defense budget pays for Big Pharma to get rich
    https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/

    Editor In Chief Of World’s Best Known Medical Journal: Half Of All The Literature Is False
    https://www.collective-evolution.com...ature-is-false

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    RE:

    I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them.

    The politicians who make the ultimate decision should at least be aware of the why for reasons that the choice to vaccinate or not is a valid one and that the vaccines which are available (possibly mandated) must be screened with the utmost competence to be 100% free of such contaminants as is described in the presentations and book that the links go to and are,in large part are about (HIV!!! etc.).

    There are far better lab techniques now then there were in 1950's and 1980's, so as far as the “monkey virus” and such viral contaminants are concerned, if the production and screening of ALL the batches of vaccines is done with the utmost high level of competence, there should no longer be a concern but there are for sure other legitimate concerns on both sides of the 'argument'; however, I am at this point in time on the side of choice.
    Guns and Butter – August 6, 2014

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    “Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part Two” with Edward T. Haslam
    More about the book: “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”, the so-called Lee Harvey Oswald connection and such:
    https://doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm
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    I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.

    https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturer/

    Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
    https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/

    Dr. John Rengen (pharma insider, exec of Eli Lily)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA

    FDA spied on whistle-blowing scientists: https://www.sfgate.com/nation/articl...ts-3707658.php

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    I mostly agree, except for two bits: I don't think a financial reward is an essential motivation. There are several others - for example, feeling that without a mandate an important public policy won't be adopted. Traffic laws come to mind.. but of course everyone personally would rather not be compelled to do anything.

    And it's too pessimistic to believe that no one is looking out for us. It's just that no one can be fully trusted - "no one", (whoever that is) may even have the best intentions but he's just not that good.
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    RE:
    Quote Posted in reply to the post by sharingwisdom: View Post
    Perhaps there are better lab processes now but Big Pharma sure isn't using them.

    CDC's 'inconsistent' lab practices threaten its credibility, report says
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html

    Constitutional lawyers, Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA falsifying studies and the corporations self monitoring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf-nBeI1g8#t=11

    Corporate-funded medical ghostwriting
    https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved

    Corporations pay American Council on Science and Health big money to push toxic products – Science for sale
    https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/

    Defense budget pays for Big Pharma to get rich
    https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/

    Editor In Chief Of World’s Best Known Medical Journal: Half Of All The Literature Is False
    https://www.collective-evolution.com...ature-is-false
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    ]I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.

    https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturer/

    Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
    https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/

    Dr. John Rengen (pharma insider, exec of Eli Lily)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA

    FDA spied on whistle-blowing scientists: https://www.sfgate.com/nation/articl...ts-3707658.php
    Admittedly I have not gone to any of those links but I really don't need to to say that it seems to me that this whole issue and a plethora of other things that are encroaching deeper into the fabric of our freedom, liberty, and invading our bodies in some cases; as what this thread topic is about.

    There is a basic root of which the problem is based; that root is pure unadulterated human selfish greed; That 'tree' of greed has seeded and those seeds are fed and watered from, in large part, but not limited to, the current trend of laissez-faire economics coupled with the current trend that corporations, same as individuals, have First Amendment constitutional rights: (the Citizens United decision from SCOTUS)... ...I could go into more detail on the Citizens United issue but that would be for another thread.

    IMHO we are witnessing and experiencing the fundamental flaws in the capitalist economic system that is currently emphasizing and forcing only the so-called 'good' aspects of it into the minds of those of us that participate in the consumption of that corporate dominated media which is for the most part owned by the corporate elitists who have a monopoly on it.
    Disadvantages of a Free Market Economy

    https://www.theresearchpedia.com/res...market-economy
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    That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one, and that vaccines "must" be screened to be 100% free of contaminants seems like wishful thinking to me.
    As long as people in-mass aren't willing to stand-up to that kind of abuse I am afraid that you are absolutely correct about that but otherwise there are already known ways to do most of that screening if the competition for profits and egocentrics are vastly diminished to being virtually eliminated and moved out of the way of actual progress, but I have to say: that is more in the realm of “wishful thinking”.

    Quote Who among us would reject choice over mandate, unless there was a big financial reward? Even then, we might vote "mandate" for others, and "choice" for ourselves.
    Not sure who the “we” are that you meant but I think I know the gist of what you are saying... ...(hypocrisy is what I think you are mostly referring to... ...and maybe some bullying too (?)).

    Quote As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this, when the bottom line is profits, not our welfare?
    Answer- in essence; There will always be honest mistakes but it is the “we” who have to do it because there is no one else that “we” can trust to not sell us out.

    Quote Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food, let alone the chemical products we use to clean, eradicate, enhance, and "purify". We better get used to the "difficult truth" that no one's really looking out for our health and welfare.
    Well then “we” better start.
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    I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.
    why would that be difficult? I realize what this forum is all about, but even so the discussion is tainted by being characterized as devil vs. saint, or madonna vs. whore.

    what is that even supposed to mean, "have our back" ?? that implies to me anyway them having a lot more charitable instinct than you can attribute to an industry. Businesses don't have altruistic motives - in fact despite the claims of some political leaders, corporations really aren't people at all so they don't have motives in the same sense your doctor might - and even then, that's a business relationship at heart too. So relying absolutely on your doctor's altruism isn't completely safe. Even if it's Dr. Oz.

    anyway, arguing about whether the vaccines are purer than Caesar's wife (ok, I'm torturing cliches heavily - it's Saturday) doesn't get to the heart of the question. That's a different question. Should vaccine productions be more heavily regulated, scrutinized and improved?? Hell yeah. Is the whole idea of successful vaccination just a fantasy made up out of whole cloth? I haven't been convinced. But if the population suffers more from diseases than it does from vaccines, then on balance it should be vaccinated. To paraphrase another great american political figure, you vaccinate with the vaccines you have, not the vaccines you might want to have.

    I think that a lot of the claims that vaccines aren't needed any more rely on the fact that most people actually are vaccinated. Like requiring all the ice to melt before acknowledging global warming, requiring the return of epidemics before acknowledging the usefulness of vaccines seems expensive. I'm not convinced by horrified observation of the effects of the profit motive on provision of medical care, or of typical bureaucratic snafus, that there's a major hoax being perpetrated. Obviously there are many who feel otherwise.
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    You're correct that businesses don't have altruistic motives, unless they're non-profit businesses, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're altruistic. And, as for Dr. Oz, my instincts tell me not to trust him, even though that may not be a popular perception.

    I thought that this particular thread was about opposing mandated vaccines, and the reasons for and against were offered, with some substantial research on evidence from both sides. Well, mostly from the side of free choice.

    I haven't seen any comments that indicated vaccines aren't needed at all. Maybe I've just missed those. I'm just guessing, but I think that on the whole, more people may "suffer" in some degree, from diseases than from vaccines, but that isn't a reason that we "should" all be vaccinated, without our consent.

    Look at the suffering that smoking and drinking cause, yet people still have choice about these activities.



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    why would that be difficult? I realize what this forum is all about, but even so the discussion is tainted by being characterized as devil vs. saint, or madonna vs. whore...
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    Speaking as a proponent, I would suggest an alternate motivation, much less conspiracy-worthy: common sense. I know that sounds glib and maybe insulting--but it's the truth, for me and for everyone else I know well enough to attribute motive to. Not fear, and not gullible identification with someone else's profit motive.

    And it is based on a balance of trust/mistrust of our government's motives and truthfulness. On this one, while mandatory seems a little overreaching, it is less so than what does seem like paranoid hysteria about keeping our freedoms...the traffic laws being a really good counter example.

    Gun control rarely comes up as a parallel issue, but of course it is. Would the anti-vaxxers also fight reducing access to deadly weapons?

    kathy

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    As for mandated vaccines, proponents would have us believe that this is in the interest of public health. Maybe the motivation is fear more than profits from some who are pro-vaccine, but I do think that profit is the bottom line for most drug firms.

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    It's my "common sense" that doesn't want anyone putting something in my body or my children's body without my permission, whether it's vaccines or fluoride or GMOs. And, I don't consider my desire for freedom "paranoid hysteria". Isn't that what so many people willingly gave their lives for in our various wars?Traffic laws make sense, "common sense" if you will because they're in place to protect us, and there's no question about that. People aren't protesting traffic laws, or lack of freedom because of them. Actually we do have the freedom to ignore them, as many people do.Gun control is a complex issue, and I don't see any real solution, because like anything that's outlawed, there's a way around the laws, especially if you're "connected" and have the money. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws.I just read that Texas passed an "Open Carry" law. Maybe it's better if guns are visible, rather than hidden, like in the Wild West.
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    Speaking as a proponent, I would suggest an alternate motivation, much less conspiracy-worthy: common sense. I know that sounds glib and maybe insulting--but it's the truth, for me and for everyone else I know well enough to attribute motive to. Not fear, and not gullible identification with someone else's profit motive. And it is based on a balance of trust/mistrust of our government's motives and truthfulness. On this one, while mandatory seems a little overreaching, it is less so than what does seem like paranoid hysteria about keeping our freedoms...the traffic laws being a really good counter example. Gun control rarely comes up as a parallel issue, but of course it is. Would the anti-vaxxers also fight reducing access to deadly weapons?kathy[/COLOR][/B]
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    If you're believing the Big pharma statistics about the diseases vs the vaccination, after all that I and others have posted about the deception in the pharmaceuticals with their statistics and false entries, and you actually agree about Big Pharma ("Businesses don't have altruistic motives"), then there is a schism in what you're writing. I wonder why, somehow, you can see the deception in one realm but not see it in the others.

    If you believe that the vaccination industry should be heavily regulated and it is by the corporations that actually do the regulations (since they run the FDA and CDC), this means that vaccines aren't regulated outside corporate interests, and what you say doesn't really make sense. If you want to believe what corporate interests and censored media say, that vaccines are the pancea for health, after what you just wrote, that doesn't make any sense either.

    And if corporate-operated/controlled science is different than real science (which it is to me and others on this board), then the whole story of vaccines is a fraud, another construct of deception that needs to crumble. If it's true that vaccines are so wonderful, then why did the pharma industry make sure people couldn't sue for injuries starting back in the 80's, that tax payers like you and I pay out millions to a vaccine court, but the Big Pharma's other products can be brought to court in a lawsuit (and have...I've listed them in the past)? The controlled media and corporate interests keep upping the doses saying the vaccines don't work unless you get more of them anytime it turns out that those vaccinated get the disease (I've listed those stories in the past too) unless more is given.

    Have you had all your 48 vaccines like those under 6 are supposed to get?? Or have you had all the adult vaccines the CDC is recommending? None of you who are into vaccines have ever answered this.

    For those of us who have been able to research and understand that the vaccines are part of the pharmaceutical fraud including their history no different than many of their other products, then we will see things very differently.

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    ...I think that a lot of the claims that vaccines aren't needed any more rely on the fact that most people actually are vaccinated. Like requiring all the ice to melt before acknowledging global warming, requiring the return of epidemics before acknowledging the usefulness of vaccines seems expensive. I'm not convinced by horrified observation of the effects of the profit motive on provision of medical care, or of typical bureaucratic snafus, that there's a major hoax being perpetrated. Obviously there are many who feel otherwise.
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    *********BREAKING NEWS*********

    There will be a peaceful rally on Thursday, June 4, 2015 from 1pm-3pm at 50 D street, Santa Rosa.

    Please join us in Opposition to SB277 while we meet with the district director for Assemblyman Marc Levine at 2pm. We will also talk with assistants in Senator McGuires office and Assemblyman Jim Wood's office if possible.

    Our goal is to get 100 people rallying together in to send a message to our representatives
    Opposition to SB277

    Bring signs, wear red, bring kids, come anytime between 1pm-3pm, stay as little or as long as you can!
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    .... As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this.... Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food......
    The bane of the vaccine industry from day one is that the biological contaminants that they create that would never otherwise occur in nature cannot be all eliminated.

    Once again, the big difference from anything air, food or water is injecting these toxins and contaminants directly into the bloodstream, especially with zero knowledge of the longterm consequences.

    Here's a simple walk thru of how vaccines are made emphasizing the gravity of it's specific fooling-with-mother-nature contaminant issue.

    To make any vaccine, first the petri dish grown toxic bacterium, or the viral type 'germ' that requires a live host must be attenuated - weakened for human use by passing several times thru tissues of cows, dogs, rodents, pigs, minced monkey kidneys, mashed chick embryos or aborted human fetus organs (diploid).

    After this stage, the weakened disease germ must be re-strengthened to boost anti-bodies with stabilizers and drug, antibiotic and/or toxic disinfectant adjuvants including neomycin, streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin... and most notably the exceptionally toxic aluminum hydroxide, aluminum hydrochloride, formaldehyde... and mercury thimerosal of which just 'trace' amounts have long histories of causing cancer, autism, sids, asthma, MS, neurological damage and death. (Lethal dose: 0.00015 grams)

    After this stage, the unsolvable big thorn in the side of vaccine manufacturers is the impossibility of filtering any vaccine clean of all foreign animal RNA and DNA. The standard processing method is to scan only for the known genetic contaminates... then the pharmaceutical company is legally allowed to ignore the rest and classify them as 'unknown'. The problem is, by their very nature these animal viruses are mutating organisms and can cross the species barrier creating unpredictable new viruses lethal to humans.

    These undetected infected vaccines have been released to the public many times now. Notable examples include the millions of people in the 1950's & 60's who contracted brain tumors, cancers and a condition similar to AIDS from the monkey organ SV-40 virus in the polio vaccine - called #40 for being the 40th by then to cross the species barrier. MMR Attenuvax was tainted with avian leukosis and MMR II had avian endogenous retrovirus. Varivax contained retrovirus K causing MS. The most recent to be trashed after animal DNA contamination was found after more than a million babies 2, 4 and 6 months old were injected was the Rotatrix vaccine from pigs in 2010.

    Forced to address to this dire, unsolvable public health threat, Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court declared vaccines to be "unavoidably unsafe", shielded pharmaceutical companies from all product liability and created the Child Vaccine Injury Act.

    Vaccinating therefore makes your child a lifelong guinea pig, especially on the longterm/accumulative effects. Some side effects and grave sicknesses show quickly, some many years before debilitating or lethal consequences.

    SB277 will require you to inject your child with 49 of these 'unavoidably unsafe' doses of live virus bacteria, toxic substances and unknown/possibly mutating animal matter by age 6 - for which pharmaceutical companies have been totally exempted from any legal, safety or financial liability... or standard testing protocols for toxicity, effectiveness or longterm effects before public release.
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    If you are Against SB277 YOU need to be at the HUGE Rally Tuesday June 9 in Sacramento

    SB277 will be heard by the Assembly Health Committee next. The earliest it
    will come before the committee is Tuesday June 9th. Regardless of whether
    or not it is heard then, we will have a HUGE Oppose SB277 rally that
    morning, starting at 10am. We are looking for this to be THE time that
    everyone comes to Sacramento. We want to show the legislators how many we
    really are. Think about all the people you have touched since you were last
    in Sacramento - all of them need to be there and more. Can we make it
    10,000 or 20,000 or 100,000? Come and bring the masses with you. (Your family, friends, neighbors, associates).

    More details to come on speakers, activities, etc. But for now, put a big red circle on June
    9th - Sacramento in your calendar and work how you are going to get there.

    We will show them who we are.
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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    URGENT ACTION ALERT

    OPPOSE SENATE BILL 277 TO REMOVE NON-MEDICAL
    VACCINE EXEMPTIONS IN CALIFORNIA

    California needs to urgently mobilize to oppose SB 277, a bill that would remove all non-medical exemptions to vaccinations. SB 277 affects almost all children.

    SB 277 has passed the California Senate in what can only be described as a disgusting game of politics. The bill is now in the Assembly where it has only been referred to the Assembly Health Committee. SB 277 will come up for a vote in the Assembly Health Committee in the next 2 weeks, most likely Tuesday, June 9th. If SB 277 passes out of the Assembly Health Committee, it will go to a vote on the Assembly floor unless we can get the bill referred to other committees – like Education - as this will affect the educational opportunities of tens of thousands of CA children.

    ACTION TO TAKE – this must happen TODAY to be considered for next week's hearing on Tuesday: (Please remember to include your full name and address.)

    1. Please call, fax and email members of the Assembly Health Committee and ask them to OPPOSE SB 277. Calls and faxes have the most impact. Please also ask the Health Committee to refer the bill to the Assembly Education and Judiciary Committees. (Contact info below).
    2. Please call, fax and email your own Assembly member and ask them to OPPOSE SB 277. https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov
    3. Sign petition to Governor Brown asking that he oppose SB 277 and other bills that would mandate vaccines in California. https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitio...y-vaccinations
    4. COME TO THE RALLY!!! 10AM Tuesday June 9th in Sacramento at the State Capitol. 1315 10th Street, Sacramento. Make plans to attend a huge and peaceful demonstration against SB 277, whether the vote happens that day or not. This is the day to be in Sacramento - we need thousands of folks to come out.

    CA Assembly Health Committee Contact Information

    Rob Bonta (Chair)(916) 319-2018, fax 916-319-2118, [email protected]
    Brian Maienschein (Vice Chair) (916) 319-2077, fax 916-319-2177, [email protected]
    Susan A. Bonilla (916) 319-2014, fax 916-319-2114, [email protected]
    Autumn R. Burke (916) 319-2062, fax 916-319-2162, [email protected]
    Rocky J. Chávez (916) 319-2076, fax 916-319-2176, [email protected]
    David Chiu (co-author) (916) 319-2017, fax 916-319-2117, [email protected]
    Jimmy Gomez (916) 319-2051, fax 916-319-2151, [email protected]
    Lorena S. Gonzalez (co-author) (916) 319-2080, fax 916-319-2180, [email protected]
    Roger Hernández (916) 319-2048, fax 916-319-2148, [email protected]
    Tom Lackey (916) 319-2036, fax 916-319-2136, [email protected]
    Adrin Nazarian (co-author) (916) 319-2046, fax 916-319-2146, [email protected]
    Jim Patterson (916) 319-2023, fax 916-319-2123, [email protected]
    Sebastian Ridley-Thomas (916) 319-2054, 916-319-2154, [email protected]
    Freddie Rodriguez (916) 319-2052, fax 916-319-2152, [email protected]
    Miguel Santiago (916) 319-2053, fax 916-319-2153, [email protected]
    Marc Steinorth (916) 319-2040, fax 916-319-2140, [email protected]
    Tony Thurmond (916) 319-2015, fax 916-319-2115, [email protected]
    Marie Waldron (916) 319-2075, fax 916-319-2175, [email protected]
    Jim Wood (co-author) (916) 319-2002, fax 916-319-2102, [email protected]
    Health Committee consultant, Dharia McGrew, 916-319-2197

    Talking Points:

    1) You have DEEP concerns about SB277 and are strongly opposed to it.

    2) Why this is personal to you: a vaccine reaction in someone you know, harassment, etc.

    3) SB 277 would deny unvaccinated or partially unvaccinated children equal access to a public education in California.

    4) This is discrimination against all parents who don’t want to vaccinate but who can’t or don’t want to home school.

    5) California law requires a public education for all children, so SB 277 violates existing law.

    6) SB 277 violates the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which requires that parents be informed of risks and make a voluntary decision – if parents are being coerced by having a public education removed from them they are not giving voluntary informed consent.

    7) Unless legislators intend to enforce a total police state whereby all people are segregated according to vaccine status for church, movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, libraries, museums, sporting events, all public transportation, restaurants, playgrounds, and children’s play-dates, SB 277 discriminates against children.

    8) Unless legislators intend to require all adults to be vaccinated against all so-called “vaccine preventable diseases” or to provide proof of immunity thereof, SB 277 discriminates against children.

    9) Unless legislators intend to require all visitors to the state of California to be vaccinated against all so-called “vaccine preventable diseases” or to provide proof of immunity thereof, SB 277 discriminates against children.

    10) Your body and your children’s bodies do not belong to the state. You want to be free to choose how you nourish and keep yourselves healthy. This bill takes away the right to informed consent to vaccination for our children. You are pro-information and pro-civil rights.

    11) The safety of vaccines is not absolute and no medical doctor would sign a statement that vaccine safety is absolute. The US Supreme Court recognizes vaccines to be “unavoidably unsafe” (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf) and to cause injury and death in some recipients. The US government has paid out more than $3 billion to the victims of vaccine injury. Hundreds of thousands have reported an adverse reaction to vaccination. Vaccine package inserts warn of the risk of brain damage, life-threatening allergy, and death and no one knows in advance who will be harmed by a vaccine.

    12) Vaccines fail even in fully vaccinated people and no one knows who will not respond to a vaccine nor how quickly the vaccine’s protection will wane if it did provoke a response in the first place.

    13) Vaccinated individuals can spread disease for several weeks after receiving a live virus vaccine.

    14) Vaccine makers and the healthcare providers who administer them bear zero liability for vaccine injuries and deaths. Vaccine makers have no incentive to make vaccines safe.

    15) Most of the vaccines given today are for diseases that are either rare or mild. For example, there have been no deaths from measles during the last 10 years, but 108 deaths reported after the MMR vaccine during the same time period.

    16) It is immoral to force a person to inject a pharmaceutical product into their body, or anything for that matter, even more so when that product could injure or kill them.

    17) There are many other ways to stay healthy: a healthy diet, adequate rest, sunshine and exercise, etc. without any risk of vaccine injury.

    18) If we mandate vaccines, will we also mandate other medical procedures, such as fetal ultrasound, mammograms and colonoscopy? Will we dictate medical procedures based on genetic testing? Will we have a medical police to determine whether someone can leave the house with a cough?

    19) Children today receive 69 doses of vaccines for 16 different viral and bacterial illnesses which more than doubles the government childhood schedule of 34 doses of 11 different vaccines in the year 2000. A vaccine exemption is filed regardless of whether it is for one dose or all doses. Thirty-five doses and 5 more unique vaccines have been added to the schedule in the last 15 years. Those supporting forced vaccination are being dishonest by not acknowledging the exploding vaccine schedule while sounding alarms over small increases in overall non-medical exemptions.

    20) There are hundreds of new vaccines in development including some of the following in clinical trials: HIV, herpes, E. coli, dengue fever, avian influenza, smallpox, tuberculosis, typhoid, norovirus, cholera, smoking cessation, syphilis, and gonorrhea. If vaccine manufactures and others who profit from forced vaccination convince legislators to take away our right to delay or decline a vaccine now, what will our future look like?

    21) In the past 5 years, drug makers have paid the U.S. Government 19.2 billion in criminal and civil FRAUD penalties. Skepticism of the pharmaceutical industry is well deserved.


    22) Physicians, in the American Medical Association Code of Ethics, affirm philosophical and religious exemptions for themselves. See Opinion 9.133 Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians. Parents should have that same right.

    23) Existing California law (AB 2109 Pan) required consultation with a doctor before receiving a personal exemption has been in effect for only one year. In this time there has been a 20% reduction in parents seeking a personal exemption (opt out rate dropped from 3.15% to 2.5%). If the goal is to increase the number of children vaccinated, then we need do nothing more than let the existing law work. Taking the unjustified and intrusive step of eliminating a parent’s right to exercise informed consent when making medical decisions for their children and potentially harm ANY child for the “greater good” is unwarranted, unconstitutional and un-American.

    24) A few people have reported to coordinators in California that they have met with their senators and assembly members or their staff, in person, either in their offices or in the field. After hearing the personal stories, seeing the kids and being told that this bill means there is no way out, they are very surprised. They are also surprised if you tell them that there are many other parents and pediatricians that are afraid of giving their real names, because they are scared they are going to be targeted. They really don’t get the implications of the bill. So please make a trip to their offices this week – if possible, on Thursday or Friday as they are more likely to be there in person. Put it in your calendar so you don’t forget. If you have gone and have a partner, grandparent or someone else that can also go in, please have them do that. Representative info can be found at the bottom of the Against SB277 website: https://www.sb277.org/when-how-becoming-a-law.html
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    URGENT ACTION ALERT

    OPPOSE SENATE BILL 277 TO REMOVE NON-MEDICAL
    VACCINE EXEMPTIONS IN CALIFORNIA

    Representative info can be found at the bottom of the Against SB277 website: https://www.sb277.org/when-how-becoming-a-law.html
    Those 24 points are a brilliant summation of gigantic ramifications, legal rights issues and inherent hypocrisy of SB277 that alone is plenty of reason to trash this bill even without any just as many safety and manufacturer lack of accountability issues we've addressed in this thread.

    But if writing on the wall could be loud, it's screaming at me.

    25. If SB277 passes, adults are next.

    Funny how the measles 'outbreak' was instantly followed by 110 ready to go, oddly similarly worded vaccination bills all over the United States all being rushed into law that oddly perfectly coincided with the rollout of the national cradle to grave health tracking system known as Obamacare.

    Don't forget the whole sales pitch for SB277 is '(human) kids who aren't injected are a threat to the (human) injected'. It makes NO SENSE to force this bill on that premise yet be so conspicuously quiet about the fact that it still leaves children exposed to so many other uninjected (humans).

    I'd bet my house that the next propaganda wave is also already waiting in the can and with or without another false flag will be... 'we also can't have uninjected adults threatening the children...'.

    This is big.
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    Thank you for pointing out these serious ramifications. I've posted on my FB page, sent to friends, and urge everyone to do the same.

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Alex: View Post
    Those 24 points are a brilliant summation of gigantic ramifications, legal rights issues and inherent hypocrisy of SB277 that alone is plenty of reason to trash this bill even without any just as many safety and manufacturer lack of accountability issues we've addressed in this thread.

    But if writing on the wall could be loud, it's screaming at me.

    25. If SB277 passes, adults are next.

    Funny how the measles 'outbreak' was instantly followed by 110 ready to go, oddly similarly worded vaccination bills all over the United States all being rushed into law that oddly perfectly coincided with the rollout of the national cradle to grave health tracking system known as Obamacare.

    Don't forget the whole sales pitch for SB277 is '(human) kids who aren't injected are a threat to the (human) injected'. It makes NO SENSE to force this bill on that premise yet be so conspicuously quiet about the fact that it still leaves children exposed to so many other uninjected (humans).

    I'd bet my house that the next propaganda wave is also already waiting in the can and with or without another false flag will be... 'we also can't have uninjected adults threatening the children...'.

    This is big.
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    Call for positive energy on SB277

    Forwarded - but important regardless of your religion or none..
    It's time for us to unite our energies in prayer, meditation, and
    visualization for this bill to be defeated. It will be heard in the
    Assembly Health Committee on Tuesday, and we can end it right there. This
    is possible!

    Holding the firm belief that this bill is defeated in this committee
    carries power. Let's take this into prayer.

    Tonight, please spend some time praying and visualizing NO votes on this
    bill - a majority in the Health Committee. There are a lot of members in
    this committee - much more than in the Senate. If you have a chance, go to
    their websites and picture each of them, especially the chair and co-chair,
    voting no on SB277. Imagine them realizing the truth and validity of our
    positions, and that our rights as parents override this bill. Remember, only
    positive, supportive energies should be in our prayers, visualizations, and
    meditations. I recommend you send energy of appreciation, acknowledgement,
    and respect for what they do for us. Our representatives work hard!

    Do this same thing tomorrow night - here are some suggestions:
    - Every night, sometime between 9:30pm-10pm PDT (or if you're in
    another state and that's too late, then 9:30-10 your local time), spend at
    least 5 minutes (up to the full 30 if you wish) in prayer, meditation,
    sending energy, etc. to focus on this bill being defeated and our freedoms
    retained

    - Any religion or spiritual tradition is fine; chanting, prayer,
    meditation, ritual, whatever works for you

    - Atheists and agnostics can simply visualize all of us celebrating
    our victory on the steps of the capitol, or seeing headlines like "Vaccine
    Bill Defeated" or "SB277 goes down in Health Committee", etc. on newspapers,
    or focus on a statement such as "we retain our freedoms to choose our
    healthcare for our whole family," "we are free and safe to live without
    vaccination," "AB2109 stands as it currently is" or whatever positive
    statement feels true

    - You might light a candle if you wish, write your statement or
    affirmation on a card and place it nearby, etc. - whatever you feel will
    support this practice

    - Keep this positive. No prayers that are harmful, negative, or
    attacking. That only brings about bad energy for us (bad karma, as they
    say).

    - Affirm what you want to happen in a positive way (i.e., better to
    picture us in victory than the others defeated; better to think of having
    the freedom to choose than to focus on "not" vaccinating, etc.)

    - Focus on feeling the energy of what that will be like, when we
    have the victory, when this is over and the bill has been tabled or dropped.
    To feel that energy means trying to feel the emotions and physical
    sensations as if it were actually happening right now. For example, you
    might imagine and try to feel the joy, relief, and peace when the bill is
    tabled, and how your shoulders relax, your stomach returns to normal,
    tension melts out of your body, and you sleep deeply. This helps create
    that experience in reality.

    - Practice it, trust the process, and trust that it is working,
    whether or not you are certain! It does work!


    For those of us who cannot attend the hearing in Sacramento on Tuesday:
    If you are able at any time during the hearings, starting at 10am when
    people are arriving for the rally, at the beginning of the hearing at
    1:30pm, and all the way through the hearing until probably 4pm or later
    (check online for updates - you can watch the hearing live here
    https://www.calchannel.com/live-webcast/ ), pray and meditate on this, as
    described above.

    Ask your friends and family members to do so as well. Together, whether in
    person or at a distance, we can do this!

    Blessings,
    Connie

    Rev. Connie L. Habash, MA, LMFT
    Counseling & Psychotherapy, Yoga, Spirituality
    650-996-2649
    https://www.AwakeningSelf.com
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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    I asked to join the FB page...
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    I was honestly nervously more hoping for the revolution spark than the bill defeat.... but also knew there was no chance for defeat.

    Here it comes.

    Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected.

    Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers.

    Here's the substance and intelligence level of any of the hours of debate I saw -

    AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "I'm trying to ground myself in facts. Can someone please tell me if there's any relationship of mercury to autism?"

    AIRHEAD (pro-vax) ASSEMBLYPERSON 2: "Seven studies have been done involving HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of children that mercury does not cause autism". (sum total VERBATIM reply with ZERO references to where that supposed fact is from!!!!!)

    AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "Thank you."

    After this lame level of discussion, the assembly had to force themselves to sit thru the waiting public's chance to state their name, occupation, who else they represented and if they supported or opposed.

    The likely 50 paid shills and a few others stating support went first..... then the unpaid 100's and 100's and 100's of people who had made enormous effort to get to Sacto from all over the state to say 10 seconds kept coming and coming and coming all saying "strongly opposed', "vehemently opposed" over and over and over and over... one after another after another... for hours.

    Then the assembly people completely ignored the enormity of what had just happened and read their glossy pre-written voting statements to get the whole boring day of bad-acting over with and they could get the f**k out of there. There's a couple lawyer checking edits to go, but it as good as passed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    I was amazed and impressed to see the huge variety of people who realized the gravity of this issue and made enormous effort to travel for just themselves and/or the groups of 20 to 1000's, whole districts, professional groups, whole schools and more they said they represented and were already organized in solidarity against BS 277.

    I saw the faces of the kind of people who are not going to be cowed into submission and for whom there will be no hesitation now but to continue to do the right thing. It's going to force some huge re-organizing of people's lives and hopefully be the birth of change for the better with the truth winning out in the end. But it's still really ugly and portentious.
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    Alex, Thank you for this truthfully terrifying report on this situation.
    The reverberation from this decision will have an impact on so many
    lives, in so many ways. Now, than ever before, courage will be key
    in this war against choice.

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    ...Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected....
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    I watched the entire sad thing, and noted that our Assemblymember, Jim Wood acted exactly as you describe here:

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Alex: View Post
    Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers....
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    the only legislators who vote against this bill are republicans. yet all the people i know who are against it vote progressive. when i ask, 'why are republicans voting no?' they have no interest in the question. what about brown? don't give up the fight. there is always cd, and passive noncompliance. what are the enforcement mechanisms? when reasoned debate fails to take place... there are lots more options ; )
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    The CA Democratic party made a resolution to support this bill. The democrats are fully invested in controlling our health care choices - completely bought by big pharma. I was a democrat for many years, then switched to Green Party about 10-15 years ago. I am sick of the democrats and their hypocrisy. Does everyone know that Hillary Clinton has big-time Monsanto financial ties and is determined to stop GMO labelling and provide Monsanto with everything they want? And she is fully behind big pharma's vaccinate every American campaign.

    Since when does being progressive mean endorsing forced compliance with a medicine procedure? These democrats have to go.

    Jane

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    the only legislators who vote against this bill are republicans. yet all the people i know who are against it vote progressive. ...
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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    Forwarded from Health Freedom Action:

    SB 277 passed Assembly Health Committee today (12 to 6) and now heads to the full Assembly. Yes, this is troubling. But there are hopeful signs, too.
    ‪#‎wethepeople‬ -- thousands -- traveled to Sacramento, many a great distance, to champion health freedom.
    SB 277 is goading flabbergasted people into action and TG for that, because we ain't gonna get it done without it.
    This bill is moving because special interests took a measure of us and concluded that we wouldn't put up a big fight.
    Were they wrong? Will we see this thing through? Will Americans across the country understand that these critical state battles are being fought on behalf of every single one of us?
    We've spent far too much time debating the medical and scientific fine points when the truth is -- IT DOES NOT MATTER. Vaccines could be 100% safe 100% of the time for 100% of people... and it still would not change what it means to have fundamental freedoms and inalienable rights that are upheld by the laws of this land.
    LAWYERS are coming forward and they are saying: NO to SB 277. They have not been suckered into a false premise. They are deeply troubled by this bill. It's unnecessary, improper, prejudicial, misguided, dangerous, and... unconstitutional.
    Health Freedom Action has 165 lawyers from 36 states (plus DC) who have signed this letter. https://healthfreedomaction.org/lawyers-opposed-to-californ…/
    It's just the beginning.
    The best things are worth fighting for. JOIN THE MOVEMENT.
    www.healthfreedomaction.org
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    We've spent far too much time debating the medical and scientific fine points when the truth is -- IT DOES NOT MATTER. Vaccines could be 100% safe 100% of the time for 100% of people... and it still would not change what it means to have fundamental freedoms and inalienable rights that are upheld by the laws of this land.
    ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    forwarded from my friend, Laura Hayes, one of the tireless leaders in opposing this bill:

    Hi All,
    I met Josh Coleman at the first screening of "Trace Amounts" that I co-hosted in Sacramento a few months ago. He and another dad had been unable to secure tickets, as it sold out, but decided to trek to Sacramento in hopes of seeing the movie anyway...they did :)

    Josh has been involved in fighting SB277 from the beginning, and soon into the fight, I learned that he is a skilled and talented videographer. He is the one who has shot much of the footage I have sent to you in the past few months, including a few shorts of his own that he has made, such as "How do Californians Really Feel about SB277?" and "Pan's Lies."

    Knowing the importance of educating the legislators about the stark and not-rare reality of vaccine injury, I asked Josh if he would be willing to testify before the Assembly Health Committee with his vaccine-injured (and absolutely adorable!) son, Otto, age 6. He agreed without hesitation, wanting to do all he could to help defeat this bill.

    He and I worked hard on his testimony, and we were both extremely disappointed (I was extremely angered) when he was somehow bumped off of the witness list, and many of us are still trying to figure out how that happened and who is responsible for that terrible move.

    I asked his permission to share his testimony publicly, and he granted it. Please read and share this testimony that should have been shared yesterday, but wasn't. I think you'll agree, it would have been very powerful. Sweet Otto sat quietly and politely for hours with his dad yesterday, in hopes of giving his testimony at the very end. Sadly, it was not to be.

    Laura


    Hi, my name is Joshua Coleman and this is my son Otto. Otto was born a healthy little boy and was on target at every wellness check we had with our pediatrician. We got him all the recommended vaccines on schedule. Then, when Otto was 17 months old, he received four shots containing six different vaccines. At that time, he was walking, running, and climbing, just like his same-aged peers. One morning, not long after those 6 vaccinations, I entered his room and Otto was in major distress because he couldn't stand up. We immediately took him to the E.R. Over the next few days, Otto endured a painful spinal tap, a brain scan, and an M.R.I. It was discovered that Otto had an autoimmune reaction called Transverse Myelitis. It was explained to my wife and me that his immune system had gotten confused and had started attacking his own spinal cord causing severe damage.

    We asked why this had happened, and the doctor said it was most likely a reaction to either a vaccination or an airborne virus, the latter being rejected since he'd had no signs of illness. The doctor then slammed the door shut on further discussion of how our healthy son went from walking to being paralyzed. There was no investigation to specifically determine what had caused our child to go from walking and running into a wheelchair for the rest of his life. At a later date, we took our son to Johns Hopkins for further testing. There, doctors investigated every possible reason why our son might have become paralyzed from Transverse Myelitis, every possible reason except for vaccines. This made no sense then, and it makes no sense now, as every doctor that Otto saw at four different hospitals mentioned that the vaccines he received in close proximity to his paralysis were the most likely culprit.

    As Otto's parents, we relive the moments before our son became paralyzed, trying to determine where things went wrong. We think back upon the fact that we received absolutely no informed consent regarding what was done to our 21-lb. son that day in the doctor's office at his 17-month check-up. Our pediatrician did not inquire as to our family's health history. Our pediatrician did not ask if Otto, my wife, or I were allergic to any of the ingredients in the multiple vaccines he would be receiving. He did not review each and every package insert with us, including contraindications, possible side effects, and warning signs to be on the lookout for that would require immediate medical attention, as is done at the pharmacy when any other prescription medication is given, with the exception of vaccines. Not only did he not review them with us, he did not even show them to us so that we could review them ourselves! He also neglected to mention that not one vaccine ever been tested using the scientific gold standard, that of a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Rather, vaccines are tested against other vaccines, combinations of vaccines, or adjuvants, the ingredients which wreak much of the havoc to begin with. To add to our shock and horror, multiple vaccines given at one time have never been studied, either, despite being administered in random, multiple combinations day in and day out to millions of children!

    Not even one doctor thought to call the FDA, CDC, CHPH, or HHS after our son's vaccine injury. Not one doctor filed the appropriate and required report to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) after his injury, as required by The National Childhood Vaccination Injury Act, a reporting requirement dating back to 1986. Not one doctor of the many we saw told us about VAERS, their legal requirement to file a report, or our ability to file our own report. Otto's blood was never sent to experts to be studied. The vaccine lot numbers for the multiple vaccines he received were never reported to investigate the potential of a "hot lot" and to ensure this wasn't happening to other children receiving these same vaccines. Think about how differently this would have been handled if Otto had gotten sick from a mad cow disease-tainted hamburger: calls would have been made immediately, reports filed, an investigation started, warnings would have been issued, and the media alerted. When a vaccine injury or death occurs, none of that happens. And as a result, here sits Otto in a wheelchair.

    To add insult to injury, not one doctor had the decency and compassion to tell us about the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (the VICP). By the time we heard about it, from other parents, it was too late for us to file a claim on Otto's behalf...the brief 3-year statute of limitations had expired. Thus, we must survive on a single income due to the constant needs of a child with paralysis. The entire burden of supporting our family, as well as keeping up with Otto's immense hospital bills, falls on one person. The 75-cent surtax we paid on every vaccine, a parent's only insurance policy when it comes to vaccine injury, was paid in futility...we have been denied access to filing a claim.

    Tragically, nothing has been learned from Otto's case. No other child will be spared from the permanent disability and suffering he now endures because nothing has been done to stop it from happening again...nothing. Your child, or your grandchild, could be next.

    Please try to imagine my extreme frustration, and the frustration of many others present today for this hearing, when we hear people in this room cavalierly spouting the lie that "vaccines are safe". Please ask yourselves how vaccines can be extremely safe, as touted by Senators Pan and Allen, while at the same time being "unavoidably unsafe", in other words, inherently dangerous, as declared by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress? It is not only admitted by government regulatory agencies and vaccine manufacturers that vaccines will harm and kill some, but it is becoming common knowledge due to the growing number of victims. This is the reason why Californians are showing up here in opposition at every hearing, vastly outnumbering the supporters 15 to 1. Vaccine injury is indeed real, it is not rare, and parents want to be the ones to choose what risks to take with their own children. (Time permitting, insert this here: If vaccine injury is as rare as the bill's sponsors like to purport, 1 in a million, then there should be no more than 39 people here at the Capitol today, in a state of 39 million people, who are here representing themselves or a family member with vaccine injury. Can I please ask for a show of hands...how many of you here today have a child who has been a victim of vaccine injury, or are a vaccine injury victim yourself? That looks far in excess of 39 to me, and this is in just 1 room.)

    Hopefully, you now understand why my wife and I cannot in good conscience ever allow another vaccine for Otto, or for his younger brother. Since there was no investigation, we have no idea what vaccine ingredient, or combination of ingredients and vaccines, caused his paralysis. We will not blindly sacrifice him again, or his brother, on the altar of vaccines, vaccines which we now know to be dangerous and improperly studied. We would much rather have taken our chances with disease than with the multiple injections we now know enough about to know we want no more of them.


    Otto is currently one vaccination shy of being able to attend public school if this bill becomes law. Unbelievably, he does not qualify for a medical exemption, and the PBE we currently have on file for him will become null and void. If SB277 passes, he will no longer be allowed to attend public school. And I repeat...my wife and I will not allow him to receive even one more vaccination.

    Otto has paid the ultimate price and will never be the same again. The thanks to him you are proposing is to remove his right to a free public education. Homeschooling is not the answer for us, financially or practically.

    Are you going to vote today to take schooling away from him, too?

    Otto would you like to say something?

    "I love going to school. Please don't take that way from me."
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    Re: NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

    Thank you Mr. Fish. I keep coming back to my previous point about gun control. Would it be fair to say that ALL anti-vaxxers would oppose banning semi-automatic weapons (or whatever they're called)?

    But really: we can, they say, only die on one hill. Why pick vaccine-choice to be the freedom-hill you defend to the death, when there are so many other, so much more insidious, nefarious, ACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE HURTFUL* government-enforced measures affecting us? Let alone the merely pointless ones raised by PF.

    *I imagine some of you will say that vaccines have been proven to do harm. We disagree.

    kathy

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    ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
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